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« on: January 05, 2012, 06:08:28 PM »

"RUSSIAN SCIENTISTS CREATE LEG BONE EXTENSION PRODECURE

A group of Russian specialists have successfully tested and verified the effects of an artificial implant meant to help extend and therefore lengthen the bones of human limbs.

Using about a hundred sheep as test subjects, scientists from the Cell Technology Center at Russia’s Veterinary Academy have concluded from a four-year study that, with the use of stem cells, it is indeed possible to elongate and extend the bones of the human limbs. After inserting a porous implant with stem cells into the hind legs of sheep (whose leg structure is comparable to that of humans), scientists witnessed the implant disintegrating over time, and the stem cells causing the growth of natural bone tissue.

“This technique will help lengthen limb bones by up to 8 cm, and only because muscles and skin cannot be stretched further,” explained Alexander Teplyashin, project leader.

The experts deem this procedure to be the potential next step for individuals seeking to regenerate, reshape or lengthen their leg limbs (thereby increasing height) via surgery. Until recently, patients seeking these treatments have been limited to the Ilizarov frame.

Aside from aesthetic purposes, scientists see this procedure as a potential prime treatment for bone fractures that would otherwise require limb amputation. Scientists are also seeing the bone regeneration process as something that may be applied to other parts of the human skeletal system, and not limited to merely the lower limbs.

“It will become possible to replace the fractured part of any bone, even the skull, with a stem cell matrix,” said Teplyashin.

The project is currently up for clinical tests and approval."

http://www.newlifecertified.com/blog/2010/12/06/russian-scientists-create-leg-bone-extension-procedure/

What do you guys think? I think this is quite an exciting prospect in limb lengthening and could possibly have full weight bearing and speed upt he general process of limb lengthening Smiley

What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 06:13:53 PM »

Sadly this isn't the way forward.  At least not as I understand it.  Bone is not the inhibiting factor, soft tissue growth is, this is slower than bone, so unless they have a really good way of making your tendons and muscles grow as effectively you're still gonna have to lose a few months of your life lengthening your legs slowly.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood the concept.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 06:19:58 PM »

Sadly this isn't the way forward.  At least not as I understand it.  Bone is not the inhibiting factor, soft tissue growth is, this is slower than bone, so unless they have a really good way of making your tendons and muscles grow as effectively you're still gonna have to lose a few months of your life lengthening your legs slowly.

Please correct me if I have misunderstood the concept.

Maybe your right Smiley

However I am assuming you will be able to walk after like a week of surgery and get on with your life depending on the size of the implant, check out the source for more information:

http://en.rian.ru/papers/20101201/161578047.html
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 06:45:55 PM »

OK so they did all distraction at once and put in the implant which slowly disintegrated. But even though the bone will grow back with this "stimulator" put between the to bone ends, we still cant stretch soft tissue 8cm at once without it giving permanent damages, can we?
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2012, 06:48:16 PM »

OK so they did all distraction at once and put in the implant which slowly disintegrated. But even though the bone will grow back with this "stimulator" put between the to bone ends, we still cant stretch soft tissue 8cm at once without it giving permanent damages, can we?

Exactly my thinking.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2012, 07:37:34 PM »

Exactly my thinking.

No this takes a while for it to consolidate and etc but I think this will be better Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2012, 08:35:41 PM »

sounds promising , i've been hearing stem cell based solutions also in other medical treatments , including wound healing or baldness.also i heard that mice that injected with stem cells live 3 times longer.i am excited to hear new updates on these treatments , especially in LL
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2012, 08:52:58 PM »

correct me if i am wrong , doesn't tissue also stretch in LL? so why should it be a problem?only difference is the replacement of rods with stem cells.
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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 11:43:21 AM »

correct me if i am wrong , doesn't tissue also stretch in LL? so why should it be a problem?only difference is the replacement of rods with stem cells.

Yeah thats pretty much it Smiley You get an implant in your leg instead of rods/external fixators which I assume should be less painful and you should be able to be walking in no time as its only an implant.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 12:18:54 PM »

OK people, I'm going to put myself on the cross willingly so you can rip me to threads with what I'm going to say. . . but I think it is worth it. . .

Here it goes. . .

If these stem cells can regenerate bone that is missing, been damaged or cut off (here we go), what would happen if you ALSO cut part of the muscle tissue and tendons (so not the nerves -as they would do in a ceasarian operation during childbirth) and apply stem cells to that soft tissue?  Stem cells will "become" whatever they are surrounded by that needs to regenerate, so why wouldn't this work?  I mean, they cloned a WHOLE sheep when they cloned Dolly back in the 90's, and that included soft tissue, nerves, and bones didn't it? 
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 04:56:21 PM »

OK people, I'm going to put myself on the cross willingly so you can rip me to threads with what I'm going to say. . . but I think it is worth it. . .

Here it goes. . .

If these stem cells can regenerate bone that is missing, been damaged or cut off (here we go), what would happen if you ALSO cut part of the muscle tissue and tendons (so not the nerves -as they would do in a ceasarian operation during childbirth) and apply stem cells to that soft tissue?  Stem cells will "become" whatever they are surrounded by that needs to regenerate, so why wouldn't this work?  I mean, they cloned a WHOLE sheep when they cloned Dolly back in the 90's, and that included soft tissue, nerves, and bones didn't it? 

I think stem cells are used for this purpose to regenerate soft tissue, I am not sure as I am no scientist.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2012, 06:08:01 AM »

hey

 these russian scientist might be the modern day Illizrovs'
if that is the case I'll volunteer if they need a guinea pig Grin Grin
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 07:45:02 AM »

oh those crazy Russians Tongue

I come to think that most Russians aren't that short but they insist on looking such methods
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 01:12:31 PM »

oh those crazy Russians Tongue

I come to think that most Russians aren't that short but they insist on looking such methods
Forget it, it only will be avaiable for LL`ers in a lot of years, if it will...
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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 04:26:47 PM »

the stem cell techniue for leg lengthening was used for the first time in UK.A woman's broken bone was healed and lengthened with this technique.
check out this link:
http://skynews.skypressoffice.co.uk/press-releases/items/2010-09/1916/sky-news-exclusive-groundbreaking-stem-cell-technique-used-repair-

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« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2012, 07:57:03 AM »

im not impressed i cant read anywhere on what exactly this procedure is and how it is done..... ussually with scafolds they are put into the area where the new cells are going to form using the bodys own ability to regenerate the tissue ussing the scaffold. it would seem lickly that this procedure would only be good for people who have a fractured bone and non union. forgive me if im wrong on the issue but could someone please verify if this procedure is used to elongate a healthy intact and undamaged bone. sofar i think this thread is giving the wrong impression of the actual studies. just like how the thread on the new precise method, people where just blabbering on, without even knowing what anything meant.

please only answer my question if you know the answer and can post a link and explain your proof.
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« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2012, 10:53:11 PM »

Hello,

I am following this project for a while now and it is all very interesting and promising. 
Atleast it was till I read this topic.  Now I am a little bit confused, because people have different opinions about the procedure.

People here say they stretch your legs 8cm at once and put an implant between the bone ends which will become bone. 

Now this scares me more then cutting your legs and stretch them slowly over a time of like 6 months or something. 
And I think you would need more recovering time then you need at nowadays procedures. 
And what would be the advantage of this method?

I really doubt this is how the procedure works and I am very curious about where you get this information from the article.  ( Maybe I am to stupid to understand the article as English is not my first language ).  Also they are going to try this method on other areas of the human body.  I don't know what they mean with these areas but I don't think there is any part of the human body that you can just stretch for 8cm without damaging somthing.  So let's find out how it really works before you come up with some scary scenarios of stretching your body 8cm.  I mean I think the whole idea would hurt me more then the actual surgery.     
 
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 03:32:33 PM »

I know about this possible procedure as much as you do. I think its just something they implant within your legs and over a six month period the stem cells within the implant make the bone as the implant disintegrates.
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2012, 03:35:57 PM »

The only thing we probably all would like to know is if you are able to walk if you are undergoing this procedure.  So if anyone knows something about this. . .  :-)
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2012, 05:57:23 PM »

this would be a bad idea.   if you implant that much in 1 go you will get extreme ballerina that would require surgery, so thats a no go.  you would end up with alot of nerve damage and your calfs might not even let you lengthen 3 or 4 cms in one go.
i can only see the traditional methods for any near future.
cost of doing stem cell lengthening is expensive and what the hell do you do if the stem cells dont take.  The end of your tibias where they were cut would  close permanently and you would have non union.  They would then have the cut the ends of the bones that will not join, shorten your legs and then ll with a ilizarov fixator for 12-13 months to gain even just the lost amount.  After that you may suffer long term with stress fractures or even bones breaking in half

There might be something that Im missing so chime in with your thoughts to my post
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