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Title: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on August 18, 2006, 03:29:04 PM
Hello,

my name is Harald Oberlaender. I am short statured German student. Together with some other short statured people from different countries I founded the "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" (BGRI) 4 years ago.

The "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" is an international initiative of people with various forms of short stature syndrome. Our initiative wants to support biomedical growth research, so that a safe and effective height increase therapy will be available as soon as possible. You will find additional information concerning the concept of our initiative and the potential of biomedical growth research on our new homepage http://www.growth-research.org

Our initiative has received two detailed research proposals from worldwide leading biomedical research groups at respected universities. These research projects could revolutionize the therapy of unwanted short stature in the near future.
One research team is working on a tissue engineered growth plate implant, which has already been tested in animals. The other research team at an US elite university has developed a plan for an interdisciplinary height increase research institute, that would bring together some of the world?s most respected tissue engineering and biomedical researchers.

But without funding these projects won?t be realized and nothing will change. So we are looking for a funding source in order to start the proposed research projects. But without personal contacts to wealthy people this is very difficult. So everybody, who is interested in supporting our search for interested donators and/or investors, please e-mail me at harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com

Thank you very much
Harald

P.S.: Of course every interested donator or investor will receive the official research proposals and he/she will be able to talk personally with the researchers and visit
their laboratories before making a final funding decision.


Title: @forum owner
Post by: HaraldO on August 18, 2006, 03:29:48 PM
Dear forum owner,

could you imagine to add a permanent link to our homepage http://www.growth-research.org at the top of your forum? We appreciate every support we can get! And your forum is one of the best visited height increase forums. With your help and a bit of luck we will find additional people, that support our search for a funding source, in order to realize the proposed visionary research projects.

If you want to have additional information from me, please don?t hesitate to ask.

Thank you very much
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on August 18, 2006, 07:42:12 PM
Hi.

Thanks for your post, Harald.

I'll sticky your topic so that it stays up there, and I wish you luck with the initiative.

How many years away from a mass-market technology do you think this research is?

Also, do you think it will ever be available for cosmetic reasons, or only for conditions such as dwarfism?

If there is anything else I can do, please PM me.

Auf wiedersehn!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on August 19, 2006, 09:45:58 AM
Dear MMT-admin,

thank you very much for your support.
We think, that a first generation biomedical height increase therapy could be available to the mass market within 3-5 years after funding starts. As such a therapy will be significantly less invasive than current LL surgery, it will surely be a cosmetic option.

Bye
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: secret on September 29, 2006, 12:30:41 PM
Hello.I am a 26 year old female from Turkey.I am planning to have LL next month in Kiev,Dr. Dragan.If you have found and medicine or dietary supplement as a result of your research you can try it for me after the surgery.I am ready to take part in any experiment that can shorten the time required for the healing of my bones,muscles and nerves.My email:atipik614@mynet.com


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: dkdkmartin on October 25, 2006, 07:13:06 PM
Dear MMT-admin,

thank you very much for your support.
We think, that a first generation biomedical height increase therapy could be available to the mass market within 3-5 years after funding starts. As such a therapy will be significantly less invasive than current LL surgery, it will surely be a cosmetic option.

Bye
Harald

Hi

How many cm will one be able to gain? Which bones would grow?

Thanks


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on October 26, 2006, 07:33:25 PM
Hello,

your questions can?t be answered for sure at the moment, as only further research could prove.
And our initiative has received three different research proposals with three different methods and perspectives.
But probably a height increase of about 8-10 cm for every desired bone could be achieved, in the best case even completely non-invasive.
But once again: We urgently need a serious funding source. Thanks to (bio)medical progress science is currently not the biggest problem any more, but funding.
If you want to help us, please send me an e-mail.

Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: cbick66 on October 26, 2006, 08:48:50 PM
Ok, I understand that funding is needed when it comes to science. But if it's something that is guarantied to make money in the long run(height increase)I would think that a bunch of rich investors would be lining up for this. Especially if the rich investor is of short stature. For example:
Muhammad Ali had potential to become a great profesional boxer as an ammature so when he turned pro, a group of investors funded his career. He wasn't guarantied to make alot of money but it just so happens that he turned out to be the greatest of all time(second to Mike Tyson of course, lol). Now all these investors made more then their investment back.

I know it wasn't the nest example but i'm a huge boxing fan so that came to mind. But it's the same principle. If there's money to be made, people will pay.



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: cbick66 on October 26, 2006, 09:40:37 PM
With that being said, what would human civilization come to if this was a reality. I mean average height for humans would intsantly become 10cm taller. Forget the short people, even tall people would be lining up for this. Basketball players all over would take them just to have that extra height advantage, women all over would take them to be the next model. I dunno, you wouldn't be able to regulate something like this. At least now LL is some kind of regulation. I mean someone that is already everage height or more would think twice before putting himself through this for just a couple of inches. But lets just say it was a pill, he'd be like: Ah why not, it won't hurt to grow a couple of inches.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for something like this to happen but where would it stop. In 5 years, the average height for a male human would be what? 190cm?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on October 27, 2006, 01:10:06 AM
I think that talk of everyone becoming taller is very premature.

Firstly, this treatment would be incredibly expensive, especially in the earlier days. Assuming that a major pharmaceutical company wants to put it through clinical trials and FDS / DOH / EU approval, there will be marketing and distribution costs.

Assuming that a safe treatment with no side effects comes out of those trials, it would still take several years to bring it to market.

This 'treatment' wouldn't be paid for by insurance companies - they often won't pay for life-saving drugs and so they will definitely not put this on their approved list.

As such, I think that this is an interesting route, but one that will be for the extremely wealthy if (and once) its reaches the marketplace.



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on October 27, 2006, 08:56:38 AM
Hello,

thank you very much for your comments.

>Ok, I understand that funding is needed when it comes to science. But if it's >something that is guarantied to make money in the long run(height increase)>I would think that a bunch of rich investors would be lining up for this.
We have contacted several venture capital companies. But unfortunately it is not so easy, as you may think. First of all: Short stature is not an accepted medical disease. So public funding sources aren?t interested and even most private investors don?t realize, that this is a significant problem with significant market potential. In fact this kind of research would be a complete new line of research. Nobody has ever tried to develop a safe and effective biomedical height increase therapy for short statured adults. Additionally most biotech investors prefer to invest into late stage products, that are already in human clinical trials. There is a significant fear to loose money, if you invest too early in a biotech therapy. You have to know, that even established biotech companies (like e.g. Advances Tissue Sciences, Valigen, Kimeragen and many others) with promissing product candidates have run out of money during the last few years because of the difficult investment climate in the biotech scene. To sum up: At least during the starting phase we need an investor with a significant personal interest or even better a donator with a personal interest. As soon as human clinical trials have started, it will be much easier to attract large institutional investors. But without personal contacts it is really hard to find wealthy short statured donators or investors. So we need every help we can get in order to find such a funding source!     

>I mean average height for humans would intsantly become 10cm taller.
That surely won?t be the case. Many people don?t think about their height and wouldn?t change anything, even if there was the possibility. It can be compared to modern wrinkle treatments (like e.g. Botox or Collagen injections). These are quite effective treatments with moderate costs - but still most people don?t choose to use them. Same with breast or nose corrections and so on. There is obviously a significant market for such therapies, but still the vast majority of people worldwide doesn?t use these kind of therapies.

>Firstly, this treatment would be incredibly expensive, especially in the earlier >days.
As a biomedical therapy would be much lesse invasive than limb lengthening surgery, it surely won?t cost more than current surgery options. The more people can afford such a therapy, the bigger the profit for the company.

Best regards
Harald



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: sunilk on November 09, 2006, 12:13:57 PM
do u this is it possible to increase ones height after puberty,other than limb lengthening surgery,if u do hav that kind inform me.ill pay u how much u want..


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on November 10, 2006, 01:25:53 PM
>do u this is it possible to increase ones height after puberty,other than limb >lengthening surgery

If we find a funding source and the research projects start, there will be a very good chance, that it will be possible to increase height after puberty safely and effectively.
If you want to support our search for a funding source, please e-mail me at harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com
Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: cbick66 on November 10, 2006, 07:10:10 PM
Around how much are you looking for here? Obviously the funds would would have to come from several investors.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on November 10, 2006, 07:21:12 PM
>Around how much are you looking for here? Obviously the funds would would >have to come from several investors.

We need at least 250.000 dollars to start one research project, about 1 million dollars to start all three projects.
This first research phase should lead to proof-of-principle animal studies. After that it is a realistic option to attract a large institutional investors (like e.g. a venture capital company) or license the technology to an existing biotech or pharma company.
Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: blup on November 22, 2006, 12:03:00 AM
If you are right financed, will your technology have the hability to make
grow every parts of the body proportionately (head, shoulder, vertebral
column, arms and legs...)?
Anyway, good luck and newer give up !


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on November 22, 2006, 07:51:04 PM
>If you are right financed, will your technology have the hability to make
>grow every parts of the body proportionately (head, shoulder, vertebral
>column, arms and legs...)?

Well, we think, that the proposed research projects have the potential to increase arm and leg length and to increase torso height.

>Anyway, good luck and newer give up !
Thank you for your wishes. But it is really hard to stay motivated. Unfortunately very, very few short statured people can be motivated to support us actively. (I really don?t understand why.) So I am currently not very optimistic, that we will find a funding source. 

Best regards
Harald


Title: @ Administrator
Post by: HaraldO on November 23, 2006, 05:18:29 PM
Dear MMT-Adiministrator,

may I ask, why you removed the sticky from my posting? It would be great, if you could sticky it again. If my posting moves down, it won?t be read by many people any more.

Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on November 24, 2006, 03:11:18 AM
Hi Harald,

I've noticed that some people have been confused by the nature of the research of your project and its status and are thinking that there might be a miracle cure which is misleading for them.

My understanding is that you and your team have proposals and ideas, but no actual money and so there is a chance that this project might never get off the ground.

For that reason, I'm unstickying this as it is not directly relevant to cosmetic leg lengthening, but I'll be happy to sticky it again when you make some progress with either funding or some tangible progress.

Having talked to some friends in the pharmaceutical and biomedical industries recently, they don't believe that a non-invasive, non-mechanical method of height increase will ever be possible as a mass-market offering. The market would be too small and the alternatives are too clear - better nutrition and growth stimulants for young people, and surgery for those who have stopped growing.

The average height of humanity is increasing rapidly anyway, meaning that this is a declining problem.

It takes billions to bring a new drug or medical treatment to market due to the complex approval and testing process, and they will typically only invest where the market is large enough. My personal view is that the market in this case would not be large enough to support the level of investment required and that this makes funding a project like this close to impossible, even though I believe that the aims are good.

Right now, though, the only way for short-statured adults to achieve permanent height increase is through leg lengthening surgery and so I want to focus on topics directly related to that and not confuse people.

Feel free to PM me with any questions and to let me know when you have some tangible progress :)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on November 26, 2006, 08:54:57 AM
Dear MMT-Adiministrator,

I am deeply disappointed because of your answer and your decision not to support our initiative any more  :(  :(  :(. I have never said, that we have to offer "a mircale cure" right now. I have always clearly stated, that we look for a funding sozrce to START the proposed research projects. So I don?t see, that anyone could be confused by my postings.

>My understanding is that you and your team have proposals and ideas, but >no actual money and so there is a chance that this project might never get >off the ground.
This is what I have always said. So we need every help and support we can get. It is extremly depressing, that even you don?t want to help us any more! I work so hard for a better therapy than LL surgery. But I won?t succeed without active support ...

>Having talked to some friends in the pharmaceutical and biomedical industries >recently, they don't believe that a non-invasive, non-mechanical method of >height increase will ever be possible as a mass-market offering. The market >would be too small and the alternatives are too clear - better nutrition and >growth stimulants for young people, and surgery for those who have stopped >growing.
I am convinced, that there is a very significant market. A safe and effective lemb lengthening therapy would not only be useful for "cosmetic" reasons, but also for several "medical" indications, like
TRAUMA:
As the result of an accident where bones or soft tissue have been seriously damaged. Limb must be shortened to ensure wound healing. This can be successfully corrected by the Telescope Nail Method.
GROWTH PROBLEMS/DEFECTS:
For example when there is a growth joint defect leading to unequal growth of the legs. This unequal growth can be corrected by the Telescopic Nail.
MICROSOMIA:
This is the terminology for a body size of between 80 and 150 centimetres. Frequently a normal torso and short legs and/or arms result in proportions which are far from ideal. This can cause enormous daily restrictions when sitting or driving. The Telescope Nail can solve these problems and correct the proportions of the arms and legs in relation to the torso.
THE REMOVAL OF TUMOURS:
When a tumour is diagnosed extensive parts of the bone sometimes have to be removed. In the past this usually meant that the leg had to be amputated above that point. Now that the previously removed bone can be lengthened, the patient has the chance of a fully-functional limb again.
AMPUTATION:
Generally speaking it causes less prosthetic problems when dealing with a longer stump. It is possible with the aid of the Telescope Nail to extend short amputation stumps to size. This, of course, depends on sufficient soft tissue. The C-Leg prothesis (Fa. Bock) is particularly beneficial here.
(http://www.prof-betz.de/english/Medizinische/medizinische.html ).
As a (bio)medical therapy would be signifcantly less invasive and probably also less expensive than LL surgery, it would get a very significant part of this market very soon ... and it would surely attract a lot of people, who would like to increase height for "cosmetic" reasons, but didn?t want to do the drastic LL surgery. 
So to sum up: I think your friends are completely wrong concerning this point.

>The average height of humanity is increasing rapidly anyway, meaning that >this is a declining problem.
As far as I can see this means, that it is an increasing problem: People, that were considered "tall" 20-25 years ago are now average or shorter than average. So the taller our kids become, the bigger the problem gets for the "older" generation (=the generation with the money).

>Right now, though, the only way for short-statured adults to achieve >permanent height increase is through leg lengthening surgery and so I want >to focus on topics directly related to that and not confuse people.
I see it this way: If people were really confused (what I can?t see), the answer would be to clarify and discuss the confusion ... not to stop the discussion! Stopping a discussion won?t clarify any confusion. And you should also consider, that no other topic on your discussion board has generated as many hits as this posting. So obviously this has been considered the most interesting topic for the visitors of this forum.
Harald

 





Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on November 26, 2006, 09:04:10 AM
Hi Harald,

No one has stopped any discussion and we haven't withdrawn support - your posts and threads are still on our board, they are just no longer stickied as there are other topics that are more relevant in this section.

Stickied posts get the most views because they are always at the top of the board and are the things that people see first. People arriving at our site are looking for information about Leg Lengthening, and topics relevant to that are the ones need to promoted first.

Once you have some new announcements, progress to report or some tangible research, we'll happily sticky it again.

Regarding the market-sizing and opportunity, I'd be delighted to help - I have several friends who are senior executives in pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies and if you send me a summary of your research and market-sizing I'll be happy to put it in front of people in both Europe and America. I also have a friend who is doing a Masters at MIT in drug research who may be able to help in some way.

All the best!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on November 26, 2006, 09:22:03 AM
>Regarding the market-sizing and opportunity, I'd be delighted to help - I have >several friends who are senior executives in pharmaceutical and >biotechnology companies and if you send me a summary of your research and >market-sizing I'll be happy to put it in front of people in both Europe and >America.
This is very exciting news. Of course you can have additional information. I?ll send you an e-mail.
Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: blup on December 20, 2006, 10:29:24 AM
We'd like to receive regular information from this group about how the work is progressing.

In your main paper you told about a tissue engineered growth plate implant which has been tested on animals. Is it really working fine?

Y can't understand the logic behind that. You are conducting experiments on animals and I y am supposing you have obtained great results. So why is it still so difficult to find funds to perform on human beings? 

Thanks


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on December 21, 2006, 07:36:52 PM
Hello,

>We'd like to receive regular information from this group about how >the work is progressing.
Unfortunately there won?t be any news, until we find a funding source. And currently very few short statured people support our search. So I am not very optimistic, that we will be successful soon.

>In your main paper you told about a tissue engineered growth >plate implant which has been tested on animals. Is it really working >fine?
Only further studies with rabbits could tell.

>Y can't understand the logic behind that. You are conducting >experiments on animals and I y am supposing you have obtained >great results. So why is it still so difficult to find funds to perform >on human beings? 
I already answered this question. Here is my answer once again:
We have contacted several venture capital companies. But unfortunately it is not so easy, as you may think. First of all: Short stature is not an accepted medical disease. So public funding sources aren?t interested and even most private investors don?t realize, that this is a significant problem with significant market potential. In fact this kind of research would be a complete new line of research. Nobody has ever tried to develop a safe and effective biomedical height increase therapy for short statured adults. Additionally most biotech investors prefer to invest into late stage products, that are already in human clinical trials. There is a significant fear to loose money, if you invest too early in a biotech therapy. You have to know, that even established biotech companies (like e.g. Advances Tissue Sciences, Valigen, Kimeragen and many others) with promissing product candidates have run out of money during the last few years because of the difficult investment climate in the biotech scene. To sum up: At least during the starting phase we need an investor with a significant personal interest or even better a donator with a personal interest. As soon as human clinical trials have started, it will be much easier to attract large institutional investors. But without personal contacts it is really hard to find wealthy short statured donators or investors. So we need every help we can get in order to find such a funding source!     

Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on January 11, 2007, 02:22:29 PM
Dear MMT-administrator,

>Regarding the market-sizing and opportunity, I'd be delighted to >help - I have several friends who are senior executives in >pharmaceutical and biotechnology companies and if you send me a >summary of your research and market-sizing I'll be happy to put it >in front of people in both Europe and America.

Do you still want to help us? I haven?t heard from you for quite a while. We urgently need a person with personal contacts to the biotech/pharma scene! You could be the key to realize the vision of a safe and effective height increase therapy in the foreseeable future!
Bye
Harald


Title: Thanks
Post by: HaraldO on January 14, 2007, 04:20:44 PM
Dear MMT,
thanks for your e-mail and your support!!
Bye
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: blup on January 21, 2007, 01:44:03 PM
Hi,

Has it never occurred to you that you can organize a petition signing on an international basis (i.e on the internet) to prove that your biotech therapy fulfills needs of lots of short sized people?
"Vox Populi" is a powerful tool in achieving your goals and being successful.
So, approved organizations and academic and private investors would realize that your initiative is not an unrealistic project and would have a real market potential.

Yours faithfully


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on January 21, 2007, 01:52:37 PM
>Has it never occurred to you that you can organize a petition >signing on an international basis (i.e on the internet) to prove that >your biotech therapy fulfills needs of lots of short sized people?

Thanks for your suggestion. We haven?t had a lack of good ideas, but unfortunately we have a lack of active support.
Would you organize such an online petition? If yes, please e-mail me.
Best regards and thanks again
Harald
harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: blup on February 21, 2007, 10:33:41 PM
Hi,
Unfortunately, I have only an intuitive knowledge of developing Website, and I am unable to carry out a so complicated project. I can't see anyone I know concerned in the offer.
But you, you are among familiar faces, so it would not be difficult to you to put an online petition signing on your Website.
You could also call for cash donations. I think that's an idea!
I believe that short sized people who come across your Website and read your leaflet are rapidly convinced. At the same time they are enthralled, there's no doubt in my mind that they will vote and / or will make at least a slight donation. (Every bit of money is welcome!)

But, I have still questions.
How long have you been looking for a financial support? 

Cordially,


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Dashtoronto on March 06, 2007, 10:56:22 PM
HaraldO,

I'm not going to get my hopes too high on this issue. But this idea of research into achieving what this reearch isstriving to set to accomplish, is what I can't help find exciting.

If they managed to achieve the answer to how to accomplish to get a person's skeletal structure growing again - at perfect proportion - AFTER adolescence and AFTER the the growth plates have locked in and fused to bone - would be an astounding, internationally reknowned and celebrated discovery. People from all over the world, germany, russia, america, italy, greece, asia, china, beijing would all embrace together, give a standing ovation and applaud and celebrate, dedicate marches down the street in celebration and declare a "Tall Day" in memorandum of this international occasion of such an overwhelming discovery.

So, what I'm trying to say is. I can't help feeling excited that they're actually pursuing this. Its incredible. I thought they would come up with the motivation and idea to pursue this in 20 years from now, but someone picked up the torch much sooner and has started investigating if this is possible to achieve. Itswonderful.

Can you keep us up to date on how they are proceeding? Are you in steady touch and access to their progress? Maybe keep us posted and up to date? Thanks.


Would be wonderful if they made some more profound and cornerstone discoveries to actually make this available and possible at cosmetic clinics where you can just walk in, pay, get an injection, and go back to your daily grind, continue growing perfectly proportioned, instead of trapped with the same stature. - even at the price of 500 per injection.

I would love to see more discussion and further exchanged opinions and ideas regarding this issue, from average forum members and from the scientists themselves, on the progress and even just the basic ideas regarding this study.

Also, am I a total fool for actually getting excited about this, and dreaming this would actually come true and be achieved? Perhaps, its a very long way down the road, far too long, like 20 years from now they'll just come out with a flawed and weak prototype - like they did for hair growth formula - Rogaine - that only worked for some people and didn't result in a total and overwhelming fleece for a  full head of hair. It gave weak and most cases, unnoticeable results.
But, they're coming out with a new, stronger version of rogain topical solution that is said to give a full head of hair - which is a great thing to look forward to.

So tell me, am I a fool for even thinking about this great investigation?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 07, 2007, 06:48:13 PM
Dear Dashtoronto,

>Can you keep us up to date on how they are proceeding? Are you >in steady touch and access to their progress?

I have always said and I have to say it again: These projects are at the proposal stage. They will only start, if WE (people with unwanted short stature) will find a significant funding source (at least 300.000 dollars). If we don?t find a funding source, these projects won?t be realized!
According to at least one proposal human trials could start within 3 years after the start of the project. So as sooner as we find a funding source, the sooner there will be new therapy options.
It all depends on us!
If you want to support our search for a funding source, please e-mail me (harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com)
Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Dashtoronto on March 08, 2007, 06:45:47 PM
HaraldO,

I applaud your pursuit! As it is something I am wishing with all my heart for its success. If I could, I would shovel optimism and encouragement towards your struggle in the hopes that you and your team of scientists will preservere and not give up until a successful product is ultimately created. I would cheer you guys on, even during your time of hardest and most difficult times, till the end of my days, however long it takes for you guys to find the solution.

Anyways, having said that, from the bottom of my heart..

I haven't had the privilege and pleasure of reading your paper. I will hopefully find the link to it when I get the chance. 


If your studies come into fruition - with a successful  working product. The product itself, once on the market, will reap millions due to the fact that

Short stature is not an accepted medical disease. So public funding sources aren?t interested and even most private investors don?t realize, that this is a significant problem with significant market potential.


----> I'm sure all the little people, all the dwarves and the short statured   and even the height challenged people (the individuals that feel their height could still be improved just to improve their look, self-image, self esteem and overall,quality of life) All these people, in ALL these groups and categories ALL AROUND THE WORLD would disagree on the above statement.

Other reasons why the above statement would be disagreed upon and why the proposed product would be an overwhelming, mindblowing success

----> millions ALL OVER THE WORLD are entering leg lengthening clinics with a huge portion of their life savings.

----> Considering height is an overwhelmingly significant impact on a person's beauty and life, social life, romantic life, self esteem, self confidence, self image...etc.

----> the number of significantly short statured people (5 ft - 5'7 ft) of BOTH GENDERS ALIKE are most likely to show a huge, significant interest in this product. as they fall short of successfully winning over the attractive opposite sex in their lives.

----> Everyone wants to look their best and not be limited to self-improving themselves. Right now, height is a huge, OVERWHELMING physical limit.

----> height greatly impacts upon a person's physical beauty

----> In society, all over the world, height is used as a factor to determine and compare the value of individuals, in comparison among one another, in the workforce, as a form of discriminationg. (eg. higher position, authority, earning power, respect, etc.) that 99% of the time goes unacknowledged, unrecognized and unpunished, for lack of a better word.

----> Height is the uppermost factor that determines social status, job status, romantic status.

----> Height severely limits romantic options.

----> Height has been proven to be highly correlated with mental health. The proof and study of this isn't immediately available, but I tend to believe it with no reasonable doubt, in my mind.


These are the very significant and profound reasons why this study and development is very important and will have a profound impact on people's lives.

Having said that,

my final questions are,

having not had the privilege of reading your paper yet
 
Did you review the effects of Bovine Growth Hormone on a human body? It came so close, to achieving what you guys set out to achieve..

For the entire skeletal structure, every bone grows in syncrony, so that the person, having gained height, doesn't look abnormal, perfectly proportioned, but like any regular tall dude or dudette. So, he passes as if he just continued to grow, no abnormally long legs like surgery would give him the appearance of.

If not for the bone cancer and the extra space in the head, failed growth of the brain to compensate for the additional space, to go along with the bone growth. Bovince Growth Hormone causes the human skeletal structure to grow, but not the brain, which already reached adult size. Therefore, the brain doesn't grow, while the rest of the skull does, making the brain like a bean in a rattle, excess space fills up with spinal fluid, causing brain cancer
.
 
 
Does your pursuit also come across this obstacle?

My other question is,

Have you guys acquired any kind of financial support or investment, any kind of interest from any sponsers or investors at all, yet?

Thanks.

With all my sincerity,

Dashtoronto


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Dashtoronto on March 09, 2007, 06:16:53 AM
>Has it never occurred to you that you can organize a petition >signing on an international basis (i.e on the internet) to prove that >your biotech therapy fulfills needs of lots of short sized people?

Thanks for your suggestion. We haven?t had a lack of good ideas, but unfortunately we have a lack of active support.
Would you organize such an online petition? If yes, please e-mail me.
Best regards and thanks again
Harald
harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com

I believe the idea of organizing an online petition is a powerful idea that could set this powerful wheel in motion. I believe with a co-operative force of every sincere heart on this forum (and I do believe there's alot of sincere and VERY interested familiar faces, on this forum.) can achieve to build, set up and maintain a complicated project and actualize the dream of collecting financial support and awareness from short people everywhere, from countless organizations that would review your research and lend their support.

Who knows who would be made aware of your research and pursuits, if we, as a team manage to set up an online petition. Could be other scientists, as well, from all around the world and large organizations/corporations that could help fund your research.

I, for one, have vast webdesigning skills. I'm sure I can have a team of webdesigners lending their knowledge and skills to also, assisting me on the website to found this online petition. I could find some familiar faces on this thread to be familiar skillful webdesigners, as would also their skilled friends, also and so on and so far. So, the network of kindred people working to set up, build and maintain the site would be boundless.

Anyone else in?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 09, 2007, 07:49:56 PM
>I, for one, have vast webdesigning skills.

In fact we could need your webdesigning skills in order to improve our homepage and add e.g. an online petition and/or an online donation option.
Let?s discuss details by e-mail.
Thanks
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on March 10, 2007, 05:58:38 PM
Hi Harald,

Has the introduction that I effected for you to the biotechnology executive helped you to make any progress yet?

I have a couple of questions:

Who would your online petition be targeted at? Petitions normally rely on targetting a particular decision maker and encouraging them to make or change a particular policy decision. I don't understand who you would send it to.

Do you really think that people will put their real name and address on a web-site petition about short-stature? Without real names and addresses it would have no credibility, but I think that very few people would put their name to it.

Just a few thoughts that might help you to avoid doing too much work unnecessarily - I think that your efforts are better focused biotechnology and pharmaceutical executives.
Good luck!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 10, 2007, 08:11:58 PM
Dear MMT,

>Has the introduction that I effected for you to the biotechnology >executive helped you to make any progress yet?
I am not leading the negotiations with this biotech executive. As far as I am informed there has been some initial interest, but the communication has been quite slow. At the moment it seems to be uncertain, if it will lead to real progress or not.

>Do you really think that people will put their real name and address >on a web-site petition about short-stature? Without real names >and addresses it would have no credibility, but I think that very >few people would put their name to it.
I agree with that. I am also very sceptical concerning the success of an online petition concerning a safe and effective height increase therapy.

Thanks for your support and your thoughts!
Harald



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Dashtoronto on March 15, 2007, 08:13:31 PM
HaroldO,

My apologies on the delays. As I am firing up my webdesign programs, and trying to get in touch with my webdesign associates.
Anyone on this board that has webdesign skills and are willing to assist would also be appreciated.

If anyone cares to contribute to the team effort, let me know.
My email is Torontowebdesign@hotmail.com.

Dashtoronto.

As my desire to sincerely and effectively improve your site. To grant your further progress is strong.

P.S. As I am gathering a number of people to assist me. Any further volunteers would greatly speed up the progress of improving and building their site.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 16, 2007, 06:48:09 AM
Dear dashtoronto,

thank you very much for your efforts. I also saw, that you wrote me two e-mails three days ago. Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with my hotmail-account. I can open my mailbox, but I can?t open e-mails. I hope, that this problem will be solved soon. Sorry for the delay!

Bye
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: essence on March 29, 2007, 11:13:52 PM
Hi All,

I am one of those persons who are confused  ???

My impression would be that anyone pursing a research project of this magnitude would certainly have serious qualifications and extensive knowledge, certainly even moreso if you are a team!

To be able to identify chemical composition that can possibly modify the structure of human being significantly would be nothing short of genius!

My question therefore would be, what are you credentials? Are these credential not significant enough that you are recognised by an institution?  What about the college/university professors that recognise your work?

The two guys who run the human genome project were home schooled by the mother, but even then in the closed knit home, when they went to make progress in further studies were recognised because of their skill! 

I am having difficulty buying into all of this, however the talk of on line petitions, approaching executives paints a different story.

Can you lay the cards on the table and break it all down as to what is going on here!
 

 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 31, 2007, 09:54:26 AM
Hello,

>My question therefore would be, what are you credentials? Are >these credential not significant enough that you are recognised by >an institution?  What about the college/university professors that >recognise your work?

I don?t understand your request. I am not a researcher, I am just a short statured support group member. The research proposals were written by respected researchers at well-known universities - not by me or any other member of our support group.
Bye
Harald



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on August 20, 2007, 11:30:21 AM
Dear Harald,

We haven't had an update from you for a long a time - how are things going with your initiative? Are you making any progress?

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on August 24, 2007, 10:14:31 AM
Dear MMT,
 
thanks for your message!

We have made some progress and we are negotiating with two people, that seem to be seriously interested in donating or investing at least of part of the required sum (of at least 275.000 dollars). Unfortunately their earliest possible date for funding is the 3rd quarter of 2008. Hopefully we will find another person, that could contribute to funding sooner.

Unfortunately there is no progress concerning the founding of an official non-profit organization. Height increase seems to be an extreme taboo, so we are unable to find 5 people in one country, that want to reveal their identity for such a project. *sigh*
 
Best wishes
Harald   


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on August 24, 2007, 10:43:18 AM
Thanks for the update, Harald.

It is good to see that you are making some progress - Rome wasn't built in a day, and 2008 is not that far away.

Please keep us updated - especially now that we have this new section on the forum :)

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on August 24, 2007, 11:37:19 AM
I think, this new section is a great idea. Thanks!

If there are any news, I will keep you updated.

Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Gust on September 24, 2007, 05:33:56 PM
Hey Harald, I wanted to thank you for all the work you have been doing in the past few years in regards to finding an alternative form of height increase. This issue about height in society is rarely ever brought up, due to the stigma that is attached to it. Just think, if educated short-statured individuals are having a hard time dealing with this stigma, imagine the millions of others that are struggling with this issue. Specifically in industrialized/industrializing countries, the need for average stature is becoming exceedingly important to one's livelihood. Even people who compensate for it,such as notable actor Dustin Hoffman, have had to seek therapists to get over this issue. We must act now for a new and innovative approach to height increase. Limb lengthening surgery is an archaic practice that offers unproportioned results. It is worth the risk to focus our energies to a potential breakthrough in biomedical height increase. Shortsupport.org may be willing to post a link to your site or any related biomedical research links, try them. If you need any help, please let me know. Thanks again and good luck.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on September 25, 2007, 07:15:22 PM
Dear Gust,

thanks for your kind posting.
Of course we urgently need every help we can get! Please send me an e-mail, so that we can discuss, how you may be able to help.

Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Rico on November 12, 2007, 10:20:20 PM
Tooo fishiii...somone trying to sum up some money for their LL surgery ???


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on November 12, 2007, 11:11:17 PM
Tooo fishiii...somone trying to sum up some money for their LL surgery ???

No, I don't think so - these guys have a genuine belief, even if their goal may be some way off.

If you are interested in their progress, I'm sure that Harald would be happy to give you an update - and check their website too :)

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: cmx on November 18, 2007, 04:26:19 PM
Dear Herald,

Your initiative regarding height increase research is highly appreciative. I have already replied to grande2's thread in this website regarding the available technology and market potentials

Why are you looking only for individuals who would fund your research and not organisations/Institutions?

Also I think, if you openly introduce your team and your research initiative and line of research in your website, more people/organisations would be attracted to it.

As for the funding for research, I am amazed why you struggle for funding for such a novel research topic with such a huge market potential. A comprehensive search in google can connect you to people and organizations funding medical research. Any way I am listing down some of the links, which might be useful to you.

www.hero.ac.uk/uk/research/getting_funded226.cfm
www.aamc.org/research/adhocgp/members.htm
www.bbsrc.ac.uk
www.ncbiotech.org/services_and_programs/grants_and_loans/biotech_research.html
www.bma.org.uk/ap.nsf/content/hubresearchgrants
www.bupafoundation.com/asp/research/grants_available.asp
www.welcome.ac.uk
www.gairdner.org
www.bwfund.org
www.bms.com/sr/philanthropy/data/index.html
www.grants.gov
www.usamraa.army.mil/
https://mrmc-www.army.mil/
www.mrc.ac.uk/Applyingforagrant/index.htm
www.nih.gov
www.osmr.nsw.gov.au/funding_and_awards
www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/bio/mrf/
www.oref.org/site/pageserver?pagename=grants.homepage

Wish you all the Best.




Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on November 26, 2007, 05:31:12 PM
Dear CMX,
thanks for your posting! Obviously you are seriously interested in biomedical height increase research. It would be great, if you contacted me personally by e-mail (harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com). Your help would surely be very valuable.
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on March 31, 2008, 11:48:32 PM
Harald,

How are you?

Do you have any progress to report?

I think that an update is long overdue :)

Thanks!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on April 04, 2008, 10:27:14 AM
Dear MMT,
thanks for your posting.
We have been in contact with a young men from New York, whose sister owns a little clothing company. He said, that he may be able to fund at least one of the proposed research projects by the 3rd quarter of 2008. But I am not 100 % sure, if he will be able to realize this promise. Nevertheless this is currently the only concrete hope.
Unfortunately there is still few active support. Most people don?t want to contribute actively in order to support the development of new therapy options. So if there are any new makemetaller-members, who could imagine to support our work, please visit http://www.growth-research.org and/or send me an e-mail (harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com).
Thank you very much and best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on April 04, 2008, 10:30:54 AM
P.S.: Thanks for moving this thread to the top of the postings  ;)!!!
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on May 04, 2008, 07:23:42 AM
Hello,

an initiative member just e-mailed me a quite interesting link about osteocrin:
http://www.biotech-weblog.com/50226711/osteocrin_protein_controls_bone_growth.php

Osteocrin seems to be a specific bone regulator gene, that leads to elongated bones in animal studies. You will find additional information e.g. at
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/278/50/50563 and
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/282/50/36454

Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Black_Star on May 21, 2008, 08:04:31 AM
>Around how much are you looking for here? Obviously the funds would would >have to come from several investors.

We need at least 250.000 dollars to start one research project, about 1 million dollars to start all three projects.
This first research phase should lead to proof-of-principle animal studies. After that it is a realistic option to attract a large institutional investors (like e.g. a venture capital company) or license the technology to an existing biotech or pharma company.
Best regards
Harald

What exactly are your projects? I understand they are meant to increase height, but how are they different from each other?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on May 22, 2008, 10:46:03 AM
Hello,

>What exactly are your projects? I understand they are meant to >increase height, but how are they different from each other?

The first project at a Chinese University would try to use a tissue engineered growth plate.
The second project at a US elite university would combine tissue engineering and biomedical strategies at a newly formed interdisciplinary research institute.
The aim of the third proposed research project would be a medical device, that may be able increase height minimally invasive or even non-invasive.
I am not allowed to reveal more details on a public message board. If you want to know more, you will have to e-mail me.

Best wishes
Harald

P.S.: Thanks for the fast reaction, MMT.
@Shagg: we had to delete your posting, as it contained too much confidential information for a public message board. We had serious trouble with a university administration 3 years ago, as too much confidential information had been posted on another height increase message board. If this happens again, they will stop cooperating with us at once. The information, that you received, is only appropriate for potential donators or investors ... not for public message boards. I should have said that more clearly. 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on May 22, 2008, 12:35:34 PM
P.S.: Thanks for the fast reaction, MMT.
@Shagg: we had to delete your posting, as it contained too much confidential information for a public message board. We had serious trouble with a university administration 3 years ago, as too much confidential information had been posted on another height increase message board. If this happens again, they will stop cooperating with us at once. The information, that you received, is only appropriate for potential donators or investors ... not for public message boards. I should have said that more clearly. 

No problem, Harald.

As a rule, I don't think that people should post information from private emails, and they should only quote someone else's words if they are already in the public domain, or if they have permission - particularly in the area of research ;)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: shigg on May 22, 2008, 08:12:01 PM
Wow, I am extremely sorry for any trouble I caused, I was just trying answer a question and I didn't realize the problem of posting such information on a public message board. Won't happen again and I apologize for any trouble I caused Harald or MMT.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on May 22, 2008, 08:13:56 PM
Wow, I am extremely sorry for any trouble I caused, I was just trying answer a question and I didn't realize the problem of posting such information on a public message board. Won't happen again and I apologize for any trouble I caused Harald or MMT.

No worries!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on May 24, 2008, 06:41:26 PM
Yes, no problem, Shigg!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: shigg on June 14, 2008, 04:12:16 AM
Here's some questions,

I assume that the research group in China that is engineering the growth plate tissue is separate from your research group. That being said, has this group made any progress is making the growth plate tissue? If my assumption is wrong then please tell me, how did this group in China join your group? I don't know, it just seems kind of odd that a research group in China (the height increase capital of the world) would be looking for funds from a German research group. I mean, if what they are doing is legitimate and/or potentially ground breaking, wouldn't they be able to find a funding source from a chinese company or atleast an rich individual chinese venture capitalist? The market for height increase in China seems like it would be atleast 3-4 times larger than that in the U.S. and other parts of the world considering their low mean national height and extremely large population.

I guess what I'm asking is, why aren't Chinese venture capitalists investing in your research group if part of your group is held in China -- just doesn't make much sense to me.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 14, 2008, 07:00:20 AM
Dear Shigg,

the "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" is not a research group. We are a support group. That means: We are a group of short statured people, that hopes for better therapy options. We are not researchers. We just asked dozens of well-known biomedical research groups worldwide, if they may be interested in starting a height increase research project, if we guaranteed funding. After several months we found 3 research groups, who (1) thought, that their current research may offer a basis for specific height increase research and who (2) wrote an official research proposal for us. This was a great honour, as all of these research groups had several other well funded research projects. So they have never depended on height increase research. But they would be interested in starting such a project, if there was sufficient funding. So the condition has always been, that WE find a funding source. And believe me: It is very, very hard to find a funding source for height increase research. Traditional funding sources mostly regard short stature as a cosmetic, not a medical problem. Venture Capital companies mostly want more advanced research projects and a detailed business plan. And generally speaking we would start of whole new field of research. (Currently there is worldwide no biomedical research group, that tries to develop a height increase therapy for adults.)

Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: shigg on June 14, 2008, 08:47:09 AM
Oh ok I understand now. May I ask where your primarily looking for a funding source then? (the U.S., Germany, China...) Have you considered contacting companies that DO focus on height increase? Such as height increase clinics? These clinics may not be plausible but they do find a way to make lots of money and might be interested in supporting/investing in a better method for height increase. Kojima's clinic in Japan or Antoine Hajj's Clinic in Lebonan. Also, how about all those height increase scam companies such as Growth Flex, Kimi...would any of these companies maybe be interested in investing? Just some ideas.

So your saying that the GROUP in china has made no further progress in engineering the growth plate tissue over the past couple years? In other words, has there been atleast minor research done/work done to make progress?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 14, 2008, 10:36:16 AM
Dear Shigg,

>May I ask where your primarily looking for a funding source then? >(the U.S., Germany, China...)
We are looking worldwide.

>Have you considered contacting companies that DO focus on >height increase? Such as height increase clinics? These clinics may >not be plausible but they do find a way to make lots of money and >might be interested in supporting/investing in a better method for >height increase. Kojima's clinic in Japan or Antoine Hajj's Clinic in >Lebonan. Also, how about all those height increase scam >companies such as Growth Flex, Kimi...would any of these >companies maybe be interested in investing? Just some ideas.
Under no circumstances we would cooperate with these obvious scammers! If we would connect ourselves with these obscure people, we couldn?t claim to be a serious alternative any more.

>So your saying that the GROUP in china has made no further >progress in engineering the growth plate tissue over the past >couple years? In other words, has there been atleast minor >research done/work done to make progress?
I can only repeat, what I have always said: As long as we haven?t found a funding source, there won?t be any progress. Currently there is no active biomedical height increase research project worldwide. This will only change, if we find a funding source for such research.

Best wishes
Harald

 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on June 14, 2008, 02:00:19 PM
The only source of funding that I think is likely to move this forward is a substantial donation from a short-statured person who is very wealthy, and feels a level of injustice from heightism.

However, they would have to be very generous - their money would be used to help other people become taller, as it is unlikely to be much help to them personally, and they probably wouldn't want to be too closely associated with it either.

Such philanthropists are few and far between, but one will be found eventually with luck!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 15, 2008, 07:38:55 PM
The only source of funding that I think is likely to move this forward is a substantial donation from a short-statured person who is very wealthy, and feels a level of injustice from heightism.

However, they would have to be very generous - their money would be used to help other people become taller, as it is unlikely to be much help to them personally, and they probably wouldn't want to be too closely associated with it either.

Such philanthropists are few and far between, but one will be found eventually with luck!

Dear MMT,
I agree, that most probably we will have to find a wealthy short statured person, in order to start the proposed research projects. But as you know I am more optimistic concerning the time frame. According to the research proposals two research teams think, that (in the best case) they may be able to start human trials 2-4 years after a funding source is found (the third research team expects a longer time frame). So there is a realistic chance, that a donator or investor will profit personally - especially if he/she could imagine to become part of a human trial.
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: rb on June 17, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
Haraldo,

This article talks about a recent breakthrough which adds to previous tested techniques for implanting stem cells to grow bone.  Are your scientists researching similar techniques to this by using stem cells?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080526170313.htm

Bone Repair Using Patient's Stem Cells Comes Closer

ScienceDaily (May 28, 2008) ? Enzyme induces adult stem cells to grow bone. Until now it has been difficult to induce adult human stem cells to produce bone, e.g. in order to repair bone tissue. Researchers at the University of Twente have just shown that if the enzyme PKA is previously activated in the stem cells in the lab, following implantation this results in substantial bone formation. This opens up new ways of repairing bone tissue using cell material from the patient.

In animals, ?adult? mesenchymal stem cells have already been used successfully to grow fresh bone. Bone formation using human adult stem cells, e.g. from bone marrow, has been less successful, which has hitherto limited the alternatives hospitals can offer for repairing damaged tissue other than spontaneous healing. Activating the PKA enzyme prior to implantation, however, produces a dramatic improvement in ?in vivo? bone growth. The cells can be observed maturing into bone cells already in the lab; once sown on a carrier and implanted in a mouse, the bone grows well.

Encouraging the neighbours

The enzyme protein kinase A (PKA) is responsible for many processes in a cell. The messenger ?cyclic AMP? activates PKA: adding it to the stem cells ensures that they stimulate one another, the researchers think. Not only does cyclic AMP promote maturation into bone cells; the cells themselves also secrete various substances that stimulate bone growth. This may explain why mesenchymal stem cells treated with cyclic AMP form significantly more bone than those without the stimulus.

The advantage of administering a bone-growth-stimulating substance in advance is that it can be removed just before implantation. Experiments to date have mainly used high concentrations of a bone-growth-stimulating hormone, e.g. incorporated in the carrier on which the cells are ?sown?. In the new approach not only are the hormone concentrations lower, they also more closely resemble the cocktail of hormones normally involved in bone growth.

This is the second time in a short space of time that the researchers, led by Dr Jan de Boer, have published in PNAS: earlier this month they published an article on a major breakthrough in the use of embryonic stem cells to grow bone. Both methods are promising when it comes to repairing bone tissue in future using cells from the patient?s own body. Compact bioreactors will be developed to grow cells quickly into tissue that can be used in the operating theatre.

The research was carried out at the Tissue Regeneration Department of the University of Twente?s Institute for Biomechanical Technology (BMTI). The researchers collaborated with fellow scientists at UMC Utrecht and the Erasmus Medical Center in Rotterdam.











Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on June 18, 2008, 12:13:48 AM
Hi.

I'm answering this as Harald doesn't come here often...

He doesn't have any researchers - he is trying to raise funds so that he can fund research activity. Currently, there is none in the area of height increase.

The study that you have found has been highlighted before - it has implications for repairing bone, but growing NEW bone is what is required for LL and so this is only partially relevant... It could help people undergoing LL to regrow bone faster, but it is not a replacement or alternative to LL which is about creating entirely new bone.

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: rb on June 18, 2008, 03:42:10 AM
Its been said several times on this site that no known company appears to be attempting to develop bone growth for the treatment of short stature in adults. Here is a link to a patent filing with a description of an invention intending to treat short stature and it doesn't reference anywhere that I could see, an exclusion of adults with fused growth plates. It does however, partially describe itself as an alternative to limb lengthening surgery and growth hormone injections for increasing body height.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP1743653A1.html

I apologize if this has been posted here before to no benefit. However I find it interesting that there is no reference to age preference for the therapy described, as most therapies reference children as the intended users. Also the inventors are Japanese and some have said that people of that region including the Chinese can be quite concerned with adult height.



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on June 18, 2008, 07:36:56 AM
Its been said several times on this site that no known company appears to be attempting to develop bone growth for the treatment of short stature in adults.

Just to clarify, I don't think that anyone said that, as there are plenty of companies that claim to have a magic pill for height increase and / or applying for a a patent for the same.

However, there are no credible scientific researchers (e.g. scientific institutes or universities doing it).

I can set myself up tomorrow as a company to do it, and can even register a patent, but only real scientists are ever likely to make a breakthrough, which is why Harald's work to fund them is important :)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: horizon on June 18, 2008, 12:56:20 PM

Hallo Harald,
In my opinion a height increase technique without surgery is not only desirable for cosmetic reasons but also for people suffering from some kind of height disease, such as acondroplasia, different leg length, etc. You might find fundings from (rich) parents of chindren suffering from thess kind of diseases and also from associations.
I guess you already thougth about that but, just in case...


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: shigg on June 19, 2008, 06:29:31 AM
"It could help people undergoing LL to regrow bone faster"

Three questions:

1. Have LL doctors considered this as a supplement to surgery...have LL doctors tried finding ways to speed up the recovery process using a bone growth stimulant?

2. Also, would something like this reduce the cost of LL since a lot of the cost comes from lengthy check ups and hospitals stay? Moreover, would this be a reason LL doctors wouldn't want to implement a faster recovery time?

3. Then again, would a bone growth stimulant really speed up the recovery process that much considering the patient would still have to way for their tendons and tissues to catch up with the increased bone growth?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on June 19, 2008, 07:23:47 AM
"It could help people undergoing LL to regrow bone faster"

Three questions:

1. Have LL doctors considered this as a supplement to surgery...have LL doctors tried finding ways to speed up the recovery process using a bone growth stimulant?

2. Also, would something like this reduce the cost of LL since a lot of the cost comes from lengthy check ups and hospitals stay? Moreover, would this be a reason LL doctors wouldn't want to implement a faster recovery time?

3. Then again, would a bone growth stimulant really speed up the recovery process that much considering the patient would still have to way for their tendons and tissues to catch up with the increased bone growth?

No for the following reasons:

1. Bone growth is NOT the major problem in recovering from LL, it is normally soft tissue issues, so LL doctors are not particularly looking for a 'solution' as there is no problem in this area.

2. When anything like this becomes ready for human use for cosmetics, it will be very expensive - probably more expensive than LL and so I don't see how it could reduce the cost. Also, by the time this is available, LL will be much, much more expensive.

3. See answer 1 :)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: shigg on June 19, 2008, 11:23:26 PM
Are you sure LL will continue to get more expensive? Because I remember when lasik eye surgery was like $1,000 per eye and now you can get it as low as $500 per eye since the technology has improved so much since its onset. I might be completely wrong on this...

Anyway, why is the price of LL going to increase (this has probably been answered before I just couldn't find it)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on June 19, 2008, 11:33:21 PM
Are you sure LL will continue to get more expensive? Because I remember when lasik eye surgery was like $1,000 per eye and now you can get it as low as $500 per eye since the technology has improved so much since its onset. I might be completely wrong on this...

Anyway, why is the price of LL going to increase (this has probably been answered before I just couldn't find it)

Of the price will increase! LL is something that takes months and is only done by a small (and diminishing) number of surgeons. The price has already risen by over 25% since this forum was started - simple supply and demand.

Comparing to something like Lasik is totally illogical - delivering a service like that is determined by technology. You make small, better, cheaper machines and you can process hundreds of people at minimal cost.

LL is not dependent on any technology - the costs are in the surgeons skills, the apparatus and the recovery, all of which are labour intensive and specialist.

You cannot make a machine to churn out LL surgeons, whereas ophthalmic surgeons can be found in every shopping mall :)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: anonymous on June 21, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
RB posted some interesting patents, however I do believe NAKAO's patent was rejected. This man has at least a dozen papers to his name in endocrinology, so one would be intrigued to further research his ideas.

I propose an idea, which I haven't patented yet, because I am doubtful of its efficacy.

An intraosseous (IO) (into the bone) injection of recombinant insulin growth factor-1. This theory involves using small gauge needles inserted by a drill into the sartorius region of the medial anterior tibia.

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The reason I would choose IGF-1 is that it has proven to regrow bone (note I said grow, not lengthen). It has a short half-life (I believe <15 minutes). The intraosseous vasculature is tight and its unlikely enough IGF-1 would escape the region to develop systemic side effects, even thought that is what an IO is designed to do. I normally wouldn't be worried about IGF-1 leaving the area, except doses would be very high.

A more advanced and slightly more dangerous option would be localized epinephrine to tighten the capillary beds inside the marrow so that IGF would increase its uptake. I would never do this currently, because I am unaware of the dosage needed, the risks involved, and I'm sure there are more viable alternatives for localized targeting than epi.

I would think this treatment would be monthly, after rethinking weekly. The risks for osteomyelitis (bone tissue inflammation/infection) are simply too high, but increased trauma may be beneficial to growth. I may intrigued by adding a low dose antibiotic to the injection site, not by IO.

Some of the side effects would be OSTEOMYELITIS, which would be similar to LL. There would be little muscle damage except for the theoretical growth. IGF side effects could alter blood sugar levels and possibly nausea.
Another risk is the operator of the drill going through the bone, although a surgeon should limit this incidence to a very very small percentage.

I have done IO injections before, so I am physically capable of performing this procedure. IN THEORY, I could go down to Tijuana and start doing this with a first assistant nurse. Why won't I? Because I have no knowledge of its efficacy. I believe if a rat were to be given an IO, the administrator would probably go through the bone unless they were very careful, so murine models would be ineffective. We would have to deal with larger animals, and that gets expensive.
Anecdotally, IOs are painful. I haven't decided if localized anesthesia, an epidural, or general anesthesia would be necessary. I'd say 10% of people could handle it without anesthesia, 50% with localized. So that means general anesthesia would be necessary. That would dramatically increase the price.

If one was to flood the area with general area with anesthetic, the procedure could be done with a material costs less than five hundred dollars per month.

Needless to say, I'm not going to list citations or dosages. This isn't a patent application. 
I am curious as to what Osteo or PostGrad have to say to this.

I appreciate you all listening.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: anonymous on June 21, 2008, 05:54:39 PM
Oh addendum. If one could trap the product in the tibia, then I could use pegylated igf, which would make the half-life incredible. And for those of you that are saying, what about the fibula. "What about the fibula?"

Not sure.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on June 22, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
Oh addendum. If one could trap the product in the tibia, then I could use pegylated igf, which would make the half-life incredible. And for those of you that are saying, what about the fibula. "What about the fibula?"

Not sure.

Well, to lengthen the leg properly without ruining the tendons, you have to lengthen the fibula and the issue is not growing bone (which I've mentioned before) but creating new bone growth and soft tissue growth that wasn't there before.

Even if you could get new bone to magically grow, there would never be enough pressure for that bone to overcome the strength of the soft tissues (especially the Achilles Tendon, the strongest tendon in the body) to stretch the soft tissues...


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: rb on June 22, 2008, 11:27:15 PM
Anonymous,

Do you have any reading showing injections into the marrow could grow bones in length? If so could you post any info.

My understanding for emulating natural bone lengthening is, first you need chrondrocytes present to develop cartilage, which can subsequently harden into bone.

Scaffolds sewn with manipulated bone marrow stem cells can develop into chrondrocytes in vivo. If stem cell sewn scaffolds are implanted at the distal ends of  particular bones, the developing chrondocytes could be repeatedly injected with igf or some other hormone to encourage further chrondrocyte proliferation. Once the desired dimension of cartilage is achieved, hormone injections should stop so the cartilage can harden into bone.

Can the tendons and muscles stretch along with the bone growth? Maybe not, but nevertheless this method should be capable of growing longer bones.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/250/4/E367


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: anonymous on June 23, 2008, 11:50:32 PM
MMTAdmin and Harald: Thanks for letting us play. I appreciate your input, MMT. I am hopeful that tendon growth would be stimulated by IGF, however; I find it unlikely that calcaneal tendon would grow.

Rb: I can't access the full version of the rat study, even though my subscription say I can! This important because I need to know what stage of maturity the rats were in for purposes.

I don't have any studies showing marrow injection will do anything more than normal injection. The marrow itself is largely irrelevant. It's what I believe to the best route locally.

I'm not sure I will post that often anymore simply because I believe regardless of efficacy, this method is safe and cheap for me to do. I should begin within the week. If the results are poor, I won't tell. If the results are good, I won't tell. You'll find it somewhere.   


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: shigg on June 25, 2008, 05:56:19 AM
Oh Please DO TELL, lots of people on this board including me would love to hear about your research and its progress!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: grande2 on August 17, 2008, 04:15:49 PM
http://technology.newscientist.com/channel/tech/dn14512-labgrown-tendons-gradually-fade-to-bone.html?feedId=tech_rss20

seems like researchers are already solving the tendons problem for us.. progress is being made :)



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Jet on September 10, 2008, 06:44:41 AM
Finding a weathy investor willing to put his neck out to endure negative publicity is an admirable endeavor but a long shot at best. What will most likely happen in the bio tech field is that bone growth or degradable implants or stem cell technologies etc will be developed to treat non height increase related issues. At some point a resourseful doctor or medical facility will think of the possibility to use a modified version of the said yet to be determined treatment to increase people's height. That is the general natural course of how things seem to come about to fruition in a free enterprise economy.

It may never happen though because only real short guys would be the vast majority of the patients. Taller people who talk about getting height enhancement surgery such as shorter guys yet still in the normal height range will normally not follow through with this. Girls won't in great number because being short is not the same tradgedy for females. The only sizable group motivated enough to follow through with any type of height increase treatment will be guys under 5'6"circa. Of course there will be exceptions. The good thing is I do not think there will be a problem of people abusing it to over do al body of already adequate height. It not like people will be willing to go through something extreme like what may be done in the future to improve their basketball game by going from 5'11" to 6'2." It would still be too evasive for that.

On my final note I want to clear up some semantics: Height can be said to be cosmetic and that is partly right but more importantly height is structural. Its a structural, highly functional, cosmetic issue if you will. These factors is what makes any alteration of height so involved and complicated. A chin surgery is purely cosmetic for example. A nose job deals with a nose which is functional to breath of course but one can breathe through the mouth alternatively if things go a bit wrong with the functional aspect with the nose. This is rare and a follow up treatment could easily rectify the nose functional problem if it arose. One say breast are functional but I think if a fluke happened and a breast enhancement patient was unable to breast feed her future babbies she could resort to forumula.

On the other hand, mess up our total body frame structure with a complication with a height increase surgery on the legs and we could be disabled for life. Not being able to walk is a much more serious risk as opposed to mere cosmetic surgery risks as mentioned above. And I omitted the general anestesia risks and infections and nerve damage etc.   So I reiterate that LL and other future methods deals with a stuctural issue first and foremost- cosmetic is secondary. So being too short is a structural problem not merely a cosmetic problem and thus more legitimate. 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on September 10, 2008, 10:23:25 AM
On the other hand, mess up our total body frame structure with a complication with a height increase surgery on the legs and we could be disabled for life. Not being able to walk is a much more serious risk as opposed to mere cosmetic surgery risks as mentioned above. And I omitted the general anestesia risks and infections and nerve damage etc.   So I reiterate that LL and other future methods deals with a stuctural issue first and foremost- cosmetic is secondary. So being too short is a structural problem not merely a cosmetic problem and thus more legitimate.  

Tell that to the thousands of people across the world who have lost relatives as a result of complications with breast augmentation, liposuction and rhinoplasty...

Suggesting that complications with LL are more risky that with other procedures demonstrates a lack of awareness of the reality.

The risks of an LL operation are no different to any other operation that involves a General Anaesthetic, and I don't know of a single instance of something losing a limb or mobility from LL, but I can give several examples of people doing so from procedures such as calf implants, the most famous example of which is the guy who got an infection in his implants, which they destroyed his natural muscles leaving him with only bones, blood vessels and tendons - and that's a procedure that is much less common than LL.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GrownGrowth on September 22, 2008, 08:15:40 PM
Oh Please DO TELL, lots of people on this board including me would love to hear about your research and its progress!

He is thinking profit, I'm quite sure, while you and most if not all are thinking non-profit. He mentioned he hadn't patented it yet because he didn't know of the efficacy. If he reports nothing, he is more likely to not be "beaten" by somebody else by not leading somebody to speculate nor spoon feeding any potential competition.

Regardless, I would be surprised if it were successful for elongation. There are a lot of factors. Elongate, do nothing, even just cause an abnormal lump of bone, something else.

Hyperplasia should be a surprisingly strong force, which could likely overcome resistance - especially if there are systemic or proportional effects elsewhere, much like gravity is much weaker than most presume.

I think the IM methods for LL are becoming more efficient and rational for a sure thing and bearable approach. Some people want to approach the whole process differently. There could be a lot of advances for height in the future. I think a very practical approach is to compliment LL of the arms and legs with biochemical approach to proportional increases of at least the torso if not as well the hands and feet. If one could finely control Cartilage Hyperplasia or Hypertrophy, there could be great torso advances. For example, one might be able to inject desired/safe amounts of IGF or Adult Stem Cells or something effective into the Introvertebral Fibrocartilage Discs for 0.5cm increase per disc to grow approximately 5 inches in the torso. This is not something that anyone should casually screw with, though, because there could be major issues. HGH/IGF is already proven to enlarge feet and hands including toes and fingers, from what I gather, but at the doses necessary one has to consider long term systemic effects such as Cardiac Hypertrophy.

One way or another, we are getting close to full body size increases. It's simply not as quick as everyone wishes.

Jet makes a good point about alternative application adaptation.

Jet assumes advances are doomed to be more invasive/extreme than they may turn out to be. Some advances may be very susceptible to the "abuse" he refers to. But, abuse and extremes are subjective. Further, points have been made that going over approximately 6'4" is more likely to be pushing limits that most will desire when thought of from a logical perspective of efficiency/function.
http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,1408.msg16791.html#msg16791
I wouldn't care if everyone was 6'4" or taller, as long as I was 6'4". I find only very shallow logic in only wanting to be taller than most rather than a myriad of purposes. Likewise, I agree with Jet that height is not only cosmetic.

MMT is basically irrefutably correct regarding his risk comments. At this point, Jet appears to have more of a limited perspective than he/she thinks regarding what is actually being done with LL and being discussed in this thread.





Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: horizon on January 07, 2009, 10:09:23 AM
HeraldO,

have you managed to find fundings for your group? You mentioned that you contacted people who may finantially support your initiative but not before the 3rd quarter...How is it going?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 07, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
Hello Horizon,

Harald is not so often on this site. But as far as I known he still didn't find a funding source.
My name is Carina and I am a member of his group too. I've searched for fundings too but it is
so hard to find any. I don't known why it is so hard, because it is a great project with business
potential. If you want to contribute by searching in your living place please do because we can use
any help we can get. Best regards, Carina ;)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on January 07, 2009, 11:44:51 PM
Hi Carina,

As you may know, it's my view that there simply is no real business opportunity here, and that the funding would only come from a charitable source.

I've looked at it many ways, and looked at the proposals from Harald and others, and I just cannot understand what the business potential is :)



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 08, 2009, 02:21:45 PM
Dear MMT,

I see also business potential because when there is an improved method becoming taller is more reachable for much more people. The current LL method is expensive (especially the safer intern methods), highly risky and takes a lot of recovery time. With the current method there are many reasons/obstacles why people will not or cannot do it.
For example the recovery time. Not everyone is able to take off a year or more from their work. And what if there are complications. In that case the recovery time is even longer. 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 08, 2009, 02:46:19 PM
Simply said the business potential is that an improved method will make coming taller more reachable for much more people in the world. The money is also an issue for most people. With the current method you not only pay for the surgery, but there are much more costs like for example plaintickets, staying elsewhere, you can not work during your recovery time, you are independent for a long time, the fear of losing your job when you stay away for a year etc.
There are just too many obstacles for a lot of people who have the wish to come taller. That's my point of view.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 08, 2009, 02:51:10 PM
And of course, in the best case the investor is of short stature and has a personal feeling with our project! ;)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on January 08, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
I see also business potential because when there is an improved method becoming taller is more reachable for much more people.

That doesn't make for business potential, only for potential demand.

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The current LL method is expensive (especially the safer intern methods)

It's not considered expensive, because the demand for it still currently outstrips demand. LL doctors could sell their beds many times over and have long waiting lists, which doesn't suggest that the price is too high for the market to sustain.

Also, you are being a little bit naive about how much biomedical treatments cost - the cost for the development of a drug or biomedical treatment is likely to be hundreds of millions of dollars, which would have to be recouped by the investors - that would lead to very, very high prices as the market for an LL solution would be small, as I have explained elsewhere - this is not something like Viagra that a very high percentage of men will use at some stage in their lives - only a very small number of people would ever consider it.

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highly risky and takes a lot of recovery time. With the current method there are many reasons/obstacles why people will not or cannot do it.

It's no riskier than any other surgery! Why do you suggest that it is? I think that you haven't done your reason - thousands of people (like me!) have done LL over the last 50 years with no adverse effects and are now walking taller ;)

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For example the recovery time. Not everyone is able to take off a year or more from their work.

I didn't take a year off work - my LL was four months from start to finish. Once again, you're not dealing in facts, just speculation.

And the recovery time for LL is based on the time it takes for bone to consolidate, which is not going to change whether the method is surgical or biomedical - bone is bone, of course  ;D

Back to the drawing board, I think!

This kind of project needs very, very detailed, highly-intelligent thinking to work - you should by now be able to present to us stats on why the market potential is good, and how any investor would make their money....

I still have never seen even a low-level business case for this - the current proposition is weak.

Before you think about approaching more potential investors, you and your colleagues need to recruit a business expert who really understands how people do market research and develop and investment case for a development or a research project.

You will never get off the ground with that kind of expertise.

Hope that helps!

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 08, 2009, 08:29:04 PM
Dear MMT,

I believe that potential demand and business potential are the same. When you develop a good product profit will follow. I also believe that the market is not so small as it seems. You can't compare it with something like Viagra. Taking a pill is easy, an LL surgery of course not. It is a heavy and risky surgery. You say that it is no riskier than any other surgery. But Belgium and Dutch LL doctors told me personal that that is not the case. In the Netherlands Dutch LL doctors don't do the surgery anymore because of the risks and the long recovery time. They told that to me. They really did.
Greetz, Carina
 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 08, 2009, 09:03:00 PM
The more people can afford the new therapy, the bigger the profit. It is a win-win situation. For the patient and for the company/doctors. That's my point of view. And of course I understand that there is a fear of losing money. No risks no losts and no success. And I known that you are a man of facts. But no one can predict the future. If that was true not a single company in the world would loose money. But doing business is also having faith in your product. Passion can lead to success! I strongly believe that. And that's why we hope to find an investor or donator with personal interest. 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on January 09, 2009, 01:03:49 AM
Dear MMT,

I believe that potential demand and business potential are the same. When you develop a good product profit will follow.

If it was that simple, it would be easy for everyone to become a millionaire.

First of all, you need to understand the following costs:

1. Product development costs
2. Product distribution costs
3. Marginal product costs
4. Overheads

You could have the biggest possible demand for something and still not be successful at creating a business around it because the costs are too high.

Your response shows that you need to have some real business experience / training in your team to make sure that you all understand the product development cycle for  biomedical and pharmaceutical products - it can cost BILLIONS to create a product - you then need to ensure that there is enough demand to recover those billions, and to make a profit within a reasonable break-even period.

Cost is an important a component of profitability as demand ;)

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In the Netherlands Dutch LL doctors don't do the surgery anymore because of the risks and the long recovery time. They told that to me. They really did.

I am sure that they did, but this once again highlights a lack of business understanding - you do realise that the Dutch are one of the tallest nations on earth? Do you think that the opinions of LL doctors there are the most useful ones when thinking about LL?  ;D

Just because a doctor tells you something, doesn't make it a fact... it's still an opinion.

Real market research takes time and money and needs real business expertise.

I understand that you have a strong belief that there is a market, but no one who is interested in these alternative methods has ever shown me a single compelling piece of actual research.

To have any success with successful business people, you need to be talking a different language...


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on January 09, 2009, 01:04:44 AM
But doing business is also having faith in your product. Passion can lead to success! I strongly believe that. And that's why we hope to find an investor or donator with personal interest. 

I admire your spirit, but success needs belief AND relevant skills ;)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: grande2 on January 09, 2009, 09:31:16 AM
If it was that simple, it would be easy for everyone to become a millionaire.

First of all, you need to understand the following costs:

1. Product development costs
2. Product distribution costs
3. Marginal product costs
4. Overheads

You could have the biggest possible demand for something and still not be successful at creating a business around it because the costs are too high.

Your response shows that you need to have some real business experience / training in your team to make sure that you all understand the product development cycle for  biomedical and pharmaceutical products - it can cost BILLIONS to create a product - you then need to ensure that there is enough demand to recover those billions, and to make a profit within a reasonable break-even period.

Cost is an important a component of profitability as demand ;)

I am sure that they did, but this once again highlights a lack of business understanding - you do realise that the Dutch are one of the tallest nations on earth? Do you think that the opinions of LL doctors there are the most useful ones when thinking about LL?  ;D

Just because a doctor tells you something, doesn't make it a fact... it's still an opinion.

Real market research takes time and money and needs real business expertise.

I understand that you have a strong belief that there is a market, but no one who is interested in these alternative methods has ever shown me a single compelling piece of actual research.

To have any success with successful business people, you need to be talking a different language...


I agree to some extent with MMT. Imho the business potential is obviously there, in effect it's a gold mine waiting considering how many people would like to increase their height (even if only by a few cm) if it were easy, affordable and non-invasive at best. It could even rival Viagra or some other cosmetic drug.
The problem is in the finding of decent funding for investment considering the researchers don't want to disclose their research projects to the public (yet).

The Biomedical initiative really could use some more practical management, and first and foremost the development of an official, informative website combined with possible start-up of a non-for-profit organisation or similar to raise funds. As I discussed with MMT before, if you think about how many people worldwide would like to pay for a decent height increase technique, online fund raising by donations could mean a massive amount of investment money at disposal on a rather short-term basis. The main problems are being credible, assuring the money will be put to good use and to find a middle way between disclosing information about the project(s) to the public and protecting the research.

One note I would like to make MMT; first the most interesting research up to date is still being researched and invested upon ( they have definitely seem to have found enough fund backing in the last years, but at the cost that we are kept a bit in the dark atm) for other medical targets. Thus height increase would be a side-project out of the official medical use, but the researchers saw the potential for height increase themselves, and have an interest in putting the technology to this use, which is ofcourse from business perspective also cost-efficient.
Second, you are not enough considering the implications a good height increase technology will have on societies. Asia, containing most of the world population, is the region where height increase will have the most direct immediate impact, and height is definitely as important (if not more) in life as it is in the western societies. I strongly belief research for height increase is even now being funded by the Chinese government, and if the technology would be available or in its infant form to a nation with ambitions, it would already be tried or used upon volunteers (which would be easy to find..) ; in Asia I don't t believe FDA rulings etc would impede progress much. To be frank, if Kim Jong-Il knew there was a way to get taller, I am sure he would back it up with a good amount of money ;)

The last is a personal opinion on mine, but I am strongly convinced given the amount of people, forums, websites, news articles, scams, etc about height increase online, that if the people were informed the money they donated would be put to good use, they would be willing to give some of their money for it. If a few thousands or million people are interested in this and even only donate a little amount (say 25 $ in average), there would be a respectable amount of research capital available to be put to good use.

Lastly, I do agree the group lacks people, and certainly people with a business background & expertise would be more then welcomed. Again MMT, your input and energy would be more then welcome :)




Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on January 09, 2009, 10:28:30 AM
Hi grande2,

Nice to hear from you - Happy New Year!

I agree with your points - hopefully 2009 will bring you some more support and people that can bring a strong business perspective to help bolster your initiative. Good luck!

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 09, 2009, 08:30:27 PM
Dear MMT,

I'm not a business woman. I have another profession. So it is true like grande2 said that we certainly can use people with a business background. I can only think logical and when I do I'm convinced that the project from Harald has a  market potential. In fact, his business proposals are crystal clear to me. If I were a millionaire I certainly would invest an amount of money into it. Because the lack of money is the problem and certainly not the initiave. And ofcourse I am aware of the fact that the Dutch are the tallest people on the planet. I am not stupid. But my question to you is: Are you aware of the fact that there live a lot, and I mean really a lot, of foreigners in the Netherlands. Especially people with an Islamic and Asian background. Indonisia was in the past a republic from the Netherlands.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 09, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Are you aware of the fact that 80% of the population living in Amsterdam have their roots in another country.
They said that on the Dutch television. The Netherlands is a multi cultural society.  ;D 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on January 10, 2009, 01:05:24 AM
Are you aware of the fact that 80% of the population living in Amsterdam have their roots in another country.
They said that on the Dutch television. The Netherlands is a multi cultural society.  ;D 

Amsterdam is simply one city in the Netherlands... You simply cannot base business discussions on such loose information - you need to precise and scientific in the approach!

I happen to lived in and worked on Holland, and I can tell you 85% of the population is white North European. Find me some statistics that prove otherwise - the source of my statistics is waiting.

Carina, just because you want to believe something really strongly doesn't make it a fact  ;)

If I were a millionaire I certainly would invest an amount of money into it. Because the lack of money is the problem and certainly not the initiave.

Ha-ha. Firstly, that's why you're not a millionaire.

Secondly, if I had a cent for every time I heard - it is not the initiative that is the problem, it is the lack of money, I'd have a few more millions.

Good initiatives ALWAYS get money. People are ALWAYS looking for ways to make more money and to invest in good opportunities.

Right now, banks around the world are only paying 1 or 2% interest - rich people are actively looking for good opportunities.

It is not the money that is the problem for this initiative - it is the initiative ;)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: grande2 on January 10, 2009, 10:49:16 AM
Hi grande2,

Nice to hear from you - Happy New Year!

I agree with your points - hopefully 2009 will bring you some more support and people that can bring a strong business perspective to help bolster your initiative. Good luck!

MMT

Best wishes for the new year to you aswell MMT :) 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: carina on January 10, 2009, 02:41:14 PM
Well, yes of course money is not the real problem. But the lack of support is the problem! Because money has to come from people. That's how I see it. But I can't convince you, can I?! If even Harald can't convince you, how can I?! You just don't see the business opportunity. Again, to me his proposals are crystal clear. :) 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on February 17, 2009, 01:51:05 PM
Hello everybody,
just checked the forum again after some while. Nice to see, that there has been some discussion.
I am still looking for a funding source, but unfortunately no breakthrough yet.
So still every support is welcome  ;)!
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Zernan on February 26, 2009, 04:48:11 PM
If this comes up i'll really take this even if it is more costly than LL because if you compute the risks ll is much more costly because you cannot work while with this you can work and move normally...I hope they have a breakthrough soon


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on February 26, 2009, 04:57:49 PM
If this comes up i'll really take this even if it is more costly than LL because if you compute the risks ll is much more costly because you cannot work while with this you can work and move normally...I hope they have a breakthrough soon

I hope that you're young, because you could wait 20 years before they even test anything like this - the market is just too small for anyone to be interested in funding it...

By the time it happens, you could have had LL and been enjoying life as someone much taller ;)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: subbacultcha on July 02, 2009, 10:34:17 PM
I'd be interested in getting a bit more details about these three research projects.

I've looked around for current research on human (or even animal) growth, and there seems to be no significant progress in that area besides limb lengthening. I'm not sure we even know how to increase final height in children (who still have growth plates!) by more than one or two inches. Yet you are looking for funding for projects, which, you claim, would lead in as little as three years to human clinical trials. I'm very impressed, but I'm not sure I can believe it. Ok, maybe there is little to no interest in the field of human growth research at the moment, and no money as well. But still, I'm not sure how, in one research project, a team could go from zero to a complete medical technique for human height increase (even if only a very expensive, difficult and inconvenient one).

So, what areas are your researchers interested in? What are their previous achievements in that domain? Why do they (and you) believe that they could actually create a marketable product in so little time, and what is their broad roadmap for this?

I'm looking forward to your answers, and I can definitely understand that you or the researchers you've contacted would like to keep some secrecy around this before actually starting the project, but I frankly don't think that you're going to find any kind of funding if you don't answer these simple but important questions.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on July 07, 2009, 07:17:24 PM
Dear subbacultcha,

I am not allowed to reveal more details on a public message board, as I have signed strict confindetiality agreements. If you want to know more, please send me an e-mail (harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com).

Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: liuxialai on July 31, 2009, 11:38:45 PM
Even the project succeeds many years later, what about the price? If no one can afford to do the treatment you still can't convince people to buy it.

Take LL for example, now it seems affordable for most westerners but in China I would say 90% guys wouldn't consider it because it is too expensive for them even they think they need it. Another treatment during childhood like growing hormone is expensive as well. If everyone is as lucky as Messy who was able to inject growing hormone provided by FCBarcelona since an early age, no one would be short in this world.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: ElChino775 on September 30, 2009, 01:54:54 AM
Even the project succeeds many years later, what about the price? If no one can afford to do the treatment you still can't convince people to buy it.

Take LL for example, now it seems affordable for most westerners but in China I would say 90% guys wouldn't consider it because it is too expensive for them even they think they need it. Another treatment during childhood like growing hormone is expensive as well. If everyone is as lucky as Messy who was able to inject growing hormone provided by FCBarcelona since an early age, no one would be short in this world.
Growth hormones give you one or two inches at most. I am proud of being short so I would never take them. But I want to be taller so I can date white girls.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on September 30, 2009, 02:02:11 AM
But I want to be taller so I can date white girls.

That's one of the funniest things I have read on the forum for a long time! I like your honesty  :D


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Aeschma Deava on September 30, 2009, 02:08:42 AM
Even the project succeeds many years later, what about the price? If no one can afford to do the treatment you still can't convince people to buy it.

Take LL for example, now it seems affordable for most westerners but in China I would say 90% guys wouldn't consider it because it is too expensive for them even they think they need it. Another treatment during childhood like growing hormone is expensive as well. If everyone is as lucky as Messy who was able to inject growing hormone provided by FCBarcelona since an early age, no one would be short in this world.

I think native Chinese actually pay loads less than foreigners, in most countries they have the foreigner rate and the citizen rate as far as medical operations go.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Tenagra on September 30, 2009, 04:52:37 AM
Growth hormones give you one or two inches at most. I am proud of being short so I would never take them. But I want to be taller so I can date white girls.
Give me a break.  If you are so proud to be a short guy, why are you considering LL?  To date white girls?  Are you for real?  Perhaps that is a joke I don't get.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: groove311 on September 30, 2009, 05:37:30 AM
Growth hormones give you one or two inches at most. I am proud of being short so I would never take them. But I want to be taller so I can date white girls.

So you find white girls more attractive than other races then? That's normal.
But you said you're proud to be short, what if you were average would you then still be happy?
well by looking at dating ads on yahoo personals I see that a quiet large number of white girls
put a restriction on height. 5'10"+ is what they want. I would never get to 5'10" even with surgery
cuz I'm only 5'6".


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on September 30, 2009, 09:11:12 AM
So you find white girls more attractive than other races then? That's normal.

It's only normal in an environment where they are in the majority. Whatever is the majority in the society we live in is what we are normally conditioned to find attractive. Which is perfectly logical.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: 55wannabe58 on March 04, 2010, 04:41:15 AM
Sounds like a scam to me.

He asked for funding in about a dozen posts. Yeah...


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on March 04, 2010, 08:38:51 AM
Sounds like a scam to me.

He asked for funding in about a dozen posts. Yeah...

You clearly haven't read or properly understood this thread; they are not scammers, but people hoping to stimulate scientific research in this field.

Think twice before throwing around unfounded accusations!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: 55wannabe58 on March 05, 2010, 07:03:41 PM
He hasn't posted a prospectus. No business plan. No scholarly journals.

Just asking for money.

If it quakes like a duck and walks like a duck, it's a ....


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on March 05, 2010, 07:33:17 PM
I have reviewed their draft Business Plan and although I don't share their optimism, it looks credible.

Please don't write people until you have all of the facts. You are talking nonsense - these guys are NOT scammers.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Tomas170cm on March 21, 2010, 12:15:17 AM
Hello Harald, I have read through this entire thread right now. And I have a couple of questions...

1. Maybe I have misunderstood, but I don't understand why a possible sponsor would be ashamed to have him name associated with this project (as many have oddly pointed out), simply have him remain anonymous, right? 

2. You mentioned that any investors would get a little show-and-tell tour of any initiated trials of this method. Has there been any investors that has gotten that tour?

3. At the start of this thread you talked about raising 200-300 thousand dollars for just starting up... (what step of this project exactly?), are you STILL on that step?

4. As have been said here, is your 2-4 years timeframe realistic and even possible (if you had the proper funding)? Cause this is no easy task you are embarking on. Won't you admit that you are a bit over-optimistic? Just getting it approved to test on humans and eventually release it will take a long time, no?
If you had to spit out a new timeframe with all your new knowledge and expertise, what would the new timeframe be?

5. Without divulging secret information, in what capacity would this biomedical height increase method work "exactly"? Do you take injections, pills? Would this method sync the growth so you could reach perfect symmetry/proportions? Would limbs, torso, hand, feet size increase? All at once? Separately? Do you treat every part separately? How long would it take?

6. You said that you were a german student, what are you studying? Or should I say, what WERE you studying (your first post was years ago)? :)

7. As MMT admin here touched upon, have you thought about redirecting some focus momentarily from finding investors to actually hiring someone who has the knowledge, education and expertise to actually know how to present a business plan to investors first? Not knocking you down, so I hope you don't take it as such.

8. What happened to user Dashtorontos contribution? Did you set up a donation "thingy" on your site?

9. An entirely personal question Harald, of out of curiosity, may I ask, how tall are you?

10. Dashtoronto: on this thread mentioned something very interesting (which I haven't gone through yet), which you missed. I would very much like to hear what you have to say about this (although I understand that you are not a researcher yourself):
"Did you review the effects of Bovine Growth Hormone on a human body? It came so close, to achieving what you guys set out to achieve..
For the entire skeletal structure, every bone grows in syncrony, so that the person, having gained height, doesn't look abnormal, perfectly proportioned, but like any regular tall dude or dudette. So, he passes as if he just continued to grow, no abnormally long legs like surgery would give him the appearance of.
If not for the bone cancer and the extra space in the head, failed growth of the brain to compensate for the additional space, to go along with the bone growth. Bovince Growth Hormone causes the human skeletal structure to grow, but not the brain, which already reached adult size. Therefore, the brain doesn't grow, while the rest of the skull does, making the brain like a bean in a rattle, excess space fills up with spinal fluid, causing brain cancer."
http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,28.20.html (http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,28.20.html)

Whatever happens Harald, even if 3-5 years down the line, I hope you don't forget this thread and check in once a while. I am a curious fella, and I am sure that many others here are too, and I am just curious (whether I am an old man with LL done or without) if your group may be the start of something :) And if you are, it would be great to say: I read it here first.


Anyway, good luck Harald! Keep up the hope and never give up!
Hello everybody,
just checked the forum again after some while. Nice to see, that there has been some discussion.
I am still looking for a funding source, but unfortunately no breakthrough yet.
So still every support is welcome  ;)!
Best wishes
Harald



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: anonymous coward on April 18, 2010, 12:43:13 PM
Ehh. . .  just a curious question, do you have a good reason to believe that what you want to do could work? I mean any reason at all?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on April 27, 2010, 03:51:51 PM
Dear Tomas170cm,

just checked the board after quite a while. Here are some answers to your questions:

1. Maybe I have misunderstood, but I don't understand why a possible sponsor would be ashamed to have him name associated with this project (as many have oddly pointed out), simply have him remain anonymous, right? 
If the investor/donator wanted that, we would guarantee anonymity of course.

2. You mentioned that any investors would get a little show-and-tell tour of any initiated trials of this method. Has there been any investors that has gotten that tour?
Some of them have talked personally with the researchers, but they haven´t visited their university.

3. At the start of this thread you talked about raising 200-300 thousand dollars for just starting up... (what step of this project exactly?), are you STILL on that step?
This amount would be needed to complete animal trials and prepare human trials.

4. As have been said here, is your 2-4 years timeframe realistic and even possible (if you had the proper funding)? Cause this is no easy task you are embarking on. Won't you admit that you are a bit over-optimistic? Just getting it approved to test on humans and eventually release it will take a long time, no?
If you had to spit out a new timeframe with all your new knowledge and expertise, what would the new timeframe be?
2-4 years means the timeframe until human trials could start, after we have found a funding source. This is still realistic.

5. Without divulging secret information, in what capacity would this biomedical height increase method work "exactly"? Do you take injections, pills? Would this method sync the growth so you could reach perfect symmetry/proportions? Would limbs, torso, hand, feet size increase? All at once? Separately? Do you treat every part separately? How long would it take?
There are different approaches. But every body part would have to be treated separately. 

6. You said that you were a german student, what are you studying? Or should I say, what WERE you studying (your first post was years ago)? :)
I am a teacher now.

7. As MMT admin here touched upon, have you thought about redirecting some focus momentarily from finding investors to actually hiring someone who has the knowledge, education and expertise to actually know how to present a business plan to investors first? Not knocking you down, so I hope you don't take it as such.
We don´t have any financial resources for hiring people. Active supporters are always welcome and urgently needed!

8. What happened to user Dashtorontos contribution? Did you set up a donation "thingy" on your site?
I haven´t heard of him since a very long time.

9. An entirely personal question Harald, of out of curiosity, may I ask, how tall are you?
I am about as tall as you.

Anyway, good luck Harald! Keep up the hope and never give up!
Thanks


Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on April 27, 2010, 07:58:53 PM
Hey, Harald!

Great to hear from you and to learn that you're doing OK.

It's nearly three-and-a-half years since your first post and I guess it must be disappointing that you still haven't managed to secure the kind of support that you were hoping for, but as you know, I always thought that it would be close to impossible.

If you have anything else to report, please do keep us updated - we'd love to hear it!

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Tomas170cm on April 28, 2010, 01:23:56 PM
Hi Harold, thanks for your reply. And great that you are back and checking in once in a while.

"Some of them have talked personally with the researchers, but they haven´t visited their university."
Haven't these universities tried to attract the funding themselves? Even if the initiative came from you, they developed a proposal. Wouldn't they want to try their hands on it?

"If the investor/donator wanted that, we would guarantee anonymity of course."
Throughout this thread there have been statements such as "people don't want to be associated with this project" and even you said before:
"Height increase seems to be an extreme taboo, so we are unable to find 5 people in one country, that want to reveal their identity for such a project. *sigh*"
That is why I said: simply have him remain anonymous, right? So I don't understand why this is even an issue to mention? That is the only thing that needs to be said to those that express privacy. In fact, be sure to make this clear for any potential private investors you do contact.

"This amount would be needed to complete animal trials and prepare human trials."
Yes, but are you still on that step after 4 years? How much of that have you raised up till now? Isn't there a timeframe for this? I mean, wouldn't a proposal like this die out eventually? People move on to other things. Who has the right to these proposals?

"I haven´t heard of him since a very long time."
No web designers out there reading this who can help Harald out?

"There are different approaches. But every body part would have to be treated separately."
Interesting. So the proposal deals with symmetry and proportions? It isn't just: make me taller however (for that we have LL). It is about gaining overall size everywhere? So you could actually compete with, for example, a natural 6" guy? Meaning: torso, shoulder width, hands, everything would be equal to the guy that was naturally born so.
Also, how long would the lengthening of a body part take?

You said in another post:
"Well, we think, that the proposed research projects have the potential to increase arm and leg length and to increase torso height."
Is it only limbs and torso or everything is possible?

"I am about as tall as you"
=)

"Anyway, good luck Harald! Keep up the hope and never give up!
Thanks"

Honestly Harald, have you given up? There is no shame in it. It is quite sad that this actually didn't get off ground. It doesn't seem for a lack of trying, cause your passion and motivation is/was obvious from the start. I am very pleasantly surprised that you took things in to your own hands. It takes a special kind of individual to be as "bold" (in a good way), for a lack of better word, as you have been. At least you tried. And you deserve all the accolades for it! But I have to say, that I do hope that you don't give up. Live your life as best as you can, but keep the initiative alive in some form or another, just in case you come in to contact with that one some day...


How big is your group now? How many members?

I would very much like a copy of your proposal (my mail can be found in my profile) if it's alright with you? And if you are still offering?




Kind regards, Tomas


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Tomas170cm on April 28, 2010, 02:08:38 PM
Harald, I mean, sorry  ;D

Harald, I feel that you and your initiative are quite mysterious, even through this thread and up to this day.
Who are? How did this come about? What are your goals? What drives you? Even if some of the answers might be predictable (we are all here cause we want to be taller, of course).
I presume that your identification: "Harald Oberlaender" is your real name? If that is the case, then a debrief of you on your site would be great.
How did you become to be the organization that you are today? What kind of contribution does varies members give and can give? Are there specific "spots" in your organization? Someone for maintaining your site, someone to hunt for potential investors, someone to coordinate?  etc etc
I went through your entire site now and none of these queries are answered.

 Who designed your website? A member? Paid a web designer to do it? Can you add and change the site "however" you want?
Cause to be frank, I stumbled on your site before i found MMT, and I thought back then that the site lacked something. It is too non-personal. There is no "face" in front of it, you don't know if you should take it seriously. I want to know the driver of this organization, cause it can look fishy on first site. On MMT you have revealed quite a lot about yourself and the project that you can't find on the site. The site just seems there. There is no FAQ there. No sign of balls moving or standing still. I found your site about a year ago, I thought: "great, there is such an organization with a height increase goal. I will check back again to see if things have changed". The only problem is I didn't know where you were at that point, what you actually tried to achieve. And one year later, the site is still the same. No updates! You could return 10 years later and you would go "great, there are people looking for a height increase", unknowing that the site looked the same 10 years earlier.
And I wonder how many people go through the same thing? They find it, saying "great" and then leave. If there was a FAQ where standard questions that any height seekers would like to ask were answered, when stumbled on the site, then they know: "oh, so that is possible and that not", "funding is [still] an issue, maybe I can offer some help", "oh, they need some expertise and help, maybe I can contribute". And so on.
If you need someone with web designing skills, ask for that specific expertise on your site. If you need someone with a business major, ask for that specifically. I am sure if a short web designing student or whatever came on your site and there was a need for someone like him in your organization, and he knew what the stake was and what the organization stood for, then he would gladly help. Cause the site is very honest at the same time, cause you, Harald, give a very honest impression. That is what is gonna either make or break this initiative I believe.
I wonder how many resourceful people come on to your site looking for a height increase, but there is no asking for a/their specific expertise, which they at least could've given if they knew that a demand for it was there.
 
How many visitors do you have on your site Harald?
I would very much like a bit on your site where you express origin to current state. Mention that funding is an issue.
Maybe ask people, and/or members on here, for opinion on how the site could improve.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: short legged on July 17, 2010, 10:50:36 PM
Hello Harald, any update about the research?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: short legged on July 24, 2010, 02:26:15 PM
Hi Harald, where are you now? any update about the Height Increase Research?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: longernow on July 29, 2010, 06:10:36 PM
Could this be the start of a new approach to leg lengthening?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/patients-could-grow-new-joints-14891346.html?r=RSS

have ppl seem this? What are your thoughts?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: ashjay_jay on July 30, 2010, 12:23:03 AM


        Good information....


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: short legged on August 05, 2010, 01:29:51 PM
Hello guys, good day.  I'm still waiting for Harald to update the Height Increase research.  ;). . . I hope he will give us more information about the research.

Short Legged,


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MMTA on August 15, 2010, 11:24:47 AM
Could this be the start of a new approach to leg lengthening?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/uk/patients-could-grow-new-joints-14891346.html?r=RSS

have ppl seem this? What are your thoughts?

How can regrowing damaged joints be a new approach to Leg Lengthening?!  ::)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: captainForward on November 25, 2010, 02:30:27 AM
Quote from: MMT Admin link=topic=28. msg38358#msg38358 date=1281871487
How can regrowing damaged joints be a new approach to Leg Lengthening?!  ::)

Just came across this thread and read the article.  The problem we all face here, as fully grown adults, is that our growth plates have fused, and hence, the material or structure which growth plates are comprised of have turned to solid bone.  The only way to stimulate bone generation is to break a bone and to distract the broken bone parts from each other at a certain rate.  I believe the methods proposed in the article could be applied to leg lengthening as follows: the scaffolding method mentioned in the article could be used to model the growth plates, whereby the patient would have their bones(s) broken and have the scaffolding placed between the two sections of the broken bone.  The problem here would be this: in the case of the rabbits, the surrounding musculature had already been grown to accommodate the bone to be grown, given that joints had been there previously.  For leg lengthening, the musculature must be stretched with the lengthening bone and the question then is this: if we were able to implant such scaffolding between bone sections, would the supplied growth factor (see article) be capable of generating bone so that the two bone sections are pushed apart or would such a scaffold only be capable of 'filling in the gap'?
Before you all attack me, please let me state that I am not an orthopedic expert and that the above are simply musings based on my limited knowledge of the areas in question.  I'm interested in this experiment and I'm merely pondering!!!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: kaandereli on November 02, 2011, 06:00:28 PM
if this work achieves some results it would become the biggest business in the world for sure!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: 5f6 on January 04, 2012, 04:36:48 PM
Uhm any updates?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on January 26, 2012, 12:32:44 PM
Dear 5f6,

some weeks ago we have been contacted by a young German researcher, who presented a very interesting idea for height increase, which may be in the best case non-surgical. But unfortunately we haven´t been able to solve our main problem: finding an interested donator or investor to start innovative height increase research projects.
The BGRI is currently nearly inactive due to a lack of active supporters, who want to realize a safe and effective alternative to LL surgery.
And I don´t have much time for the BGRI because of my job at the moment.

Best regards
Harald
http://www.growth-research.org


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on January 29, 2012, 09:21:38 AM
P.S.: So of course everybody, who wants to support the goals of the "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative", is very welcome ;-)!
Best regards
Harald
(E-mail: harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com)


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: mixxed on January 29, 2012, 10:06:51 AM
maybe you shoud be more specific about the idea of this german scientist, not just ask money...


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on January 29, 2012, 11:53:15 AM
Dear mixxed,

neither the idea of the German scientist nor the other proposed research project concepts are patent protected yet (and I had to sign strict confidentiality agreements). So of course I am not allowed to reveal details on a public discussion board. But as you have probably read in this thread: every interested donator or investor will of course receive oficial research proposals, he/she will be able to talk personally with the researchers and visit their laboratories before making a funding decision.

Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on January 30, 2012, 06:48:10 AM
hi haraldo
i admire your enthusiasm for your research project but ask yourself this............


if you wanted to be taller and you saved up 30k would you 1) give it to someone else for research purposes which could take 10 -20 more years if that or 2) go get ll and enjoy the rest of your life at your new height.....

so im sory but everytime you ask for funding it is sadly feutile, we want to be taller why would we invest in getting taller when we could just be taller through ll. makes no sence to ask for money here. i suggest you follow mmt's advice and try and find someone who is very rich and very short.

good luck in your future endeavours


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: suntemple33 on February 16, 2012, 09:25:56 PM
HELLO HARALD OBERLAENDER
 MY NAME IS DAVID AND I COME FROM GERMANY.
 I AM 22 YEARS OLD.  I TRY ALWAYS IN CONTACT WITH YOU TO COME (FOR 2 YEARS).
 BUT YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY EMAILS.  I HAVE 50,000 EURO AND I HAVE FOUND 2 INVESTORS.
 PLEASE WRITE ME AN EMAIL.  
 (suntemple33@web. de).  
 PLEASE WRITE AN EMAIL TO ME.   ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on February 17, 2012, 05:41:18 PM
Quote
HELLO HARALD OBERLAENDER
 MY NAME IS DAVID AND I COME FROM GERMANY.
 I AM 22 YEARS OLD.  I TRY ALWAYS IN CONTACT WITH YOU TO COME (FOR 2 YEARS).
 BUT YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY EMAILS.  I HAVE 50,000 EURO AND I HAVE FOUND 2 INVESTORS.
 PLEASE WRITE ME AN EMAIL. 
 (suntemple33@web. de). 
 PLEASE WRITE AN EMAIL TO ME.


hmmmm dont know your either lying or incredibally stupid................ 2 years............. and you post 1nce............on this forumn..........let me get this right.........you posted once...........after 2 years........ yea right! maby someone is just trying to prove my last mail wrong lol thats sad.
but honestly i hope im wrong and you finnally found someone to support you. good luck haraldo


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: littleangel on February 17, 2012, 05:50:14 PM
HELLO HARALD OBERLAENDER
 MY NAME IS DAVID AND I COME FROM GERMANY.
 I AM 22 YEARS OLD.  I TRY ALWAYS IN CONTACT WITH YOU TO COME (FOR 2 YEARS).
 BUT YOU DO NOT ANSWER MY EMAILS.  I HAVE 50,000 EURO AND I HAVE FOUND 2 INVESTORS.
 PLEASE WRITE ME AN EMAIL.  
 (suntemple33@web. de).  
 PLEASE WRITE AN EMAIL TO ME.   ;D ;D ;D
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THIS IS SPAM....


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on February 19, 2012, 04:39:28 PM


hmmmm dont know your either lying or incredibally stupid................ 2 years............. and you post 1nce............on this forumn..........let me get this right.........you posted once...........after 2 years........ yea right! maby someone is just trying to prove my last mail wrong lol thats sad.
but honestly i hope im wrong and you finnally found someone to support you. good luck haraldo

Dear GROWtallORdieTRYING,
in fact I can remember, that I received e-mails from this address ... but as my mail-program declared them junk-mail, I never opened these e-mails in order to avoid a virus.
Now I sent an e-mail to David and I will try to find out, if his claims are true (what would be great, of course). This may take some time.
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on February 20, 2012, 07:17:03 AM
Quote
from haraldo
Dear GROWtallORdieTRYING,
in fact I can remember, that I received e-mails from this address ... but as my mail-program declared them junk-mail, I never opened these e-mails in order to avoid a virus.
Now I sent an e-mail to David and I will try to find out, if his claims are true (what would be great, of course). This may take some time.
Best wishes
Harald

you must have a very good memory indeed to remember every single email adress even the junk mail email adresses for a 2 year period. i am impressed lol :) good luck with your endeavours.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: suntemple33 on February 20, 2012, 05:26:52 PM
Hello Harald, I've sent you a private email.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on February 21, 2012, 08:47:26 AM
lol it proves nothing, i could start up an account and just say i am suntemple, also not this people..........

this is the fuken bomb.......
stay with me on this logic people it is quite interesting once pionted out......

people when they jion a site choose a user name..............who the hell chooses the same user name as their email adress........

NO ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the fact that the user name and email address are the same pionts out that the person in question who has posted once in 2 years wants to say hello my name is suntemple see my user name...... it stands to reason that at the time the user name was created (which was done after my comment) it was done so with the intent trying to validate that a person who has email suntemple is this person in question, in the hopes of trying to validate it to the members reading this thread. he could have said hello i am suntemple, but why put it as his user name,

seems SUSSSSS.

as someone pionted out before............SPAM!!!!!!!

SysOp
can you post to this thread if the gy is even mailing from germany, not that this would prove undisputidly that he is indeed a investor and not just some gy who knows haraldo and trying to save him face after i pionted out that haraldo is wasting his time mailing on this thread and should just find someone who is very rich and very short, after all why would someone pay 60k to haraldo for research that would take 30 years if ever when they can use that money and just become taller NOW!

still it would be interesting to know if the mysterious 1 post man after 2 years of desperatly trying to contact haraldo who didnt even bother to spend 5 seconds to make a single post on this site and who only showed his convinient face after i pionted out a logic that haraldo is indeed talking on deaf ears which is only common sence given that most people who have not done ll yet most probably do not have the money.


it seems more lickly someone who knows haraldo and believes in his mission statment and his cause, is trying to say see look people from this site do give funding and haraldo has not wasted his time here see see............. like comon from the posts to the timeing to the i spent 2 years contacting you and not 1 post here to, haraldo knows this gy posting to him repeatedly for 2 years but did not ever read a single email....... but took it into his memory to remember his email address off by heart..........

COMON!!!! seriously sysop please post if the mail is even from germany!!! lol


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on February 21, 2012, 08:54:04 AM
account created AFTER MY COMENT HAHAHA, i wonder how he came to post on this thread so convieniently after my post....... only way is if he knows someone on this thread since he is not a member that leaves much debate as to him gaining this information as someone who knows haraldo.

LOL noone here is that stupid as to believe this, this is a fake account!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: SysOp on February 21, 2012, 12:11:34 PM
Both "suntemple33" (David) and "HaroldO" (Harold) have different IP addresses and are posting from different regions in Germany. It is possible to use a proxy server to try to mask where your IP is located, but it seems pretty likely that they are different people as they have different IPs and internet hosting companies.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: suntemple33 on February 21, 2012, 06:48:53 PM
All members of the community.
I am not an impostor (Not Spam).
I have some money and I have two investors.
Who do you not know me then do not talk to my name.
Yes I am looking harald 2 years I've long thought he had stopped and I saw a uptade
1 month ago here in the forum I've registered here, I'm not a cheater Besides these harald
said he saw my email address on their mailbox.
I wish from my heart (long legs).  I'm not a cheater.  ok.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on February 22, 2012, 10:12:51 AM
sory im not listning, 10 different things all piont to SPAM to save face.

i dont believe you.

too much anecdotal evidence.

i pionted out way too much  in my previous posts. you my friend are a fake.

good luck with everything.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 10, 2012, 03:35:37 PM
Dear GROWtallORdieTRYING,

after some private communication with David (suntemple33) we have decided, that a cooperation won´t make sense.

Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on September 12, 2012, 06:34:54 PM
Hello,
unfortunately we don´t have major news yet, but we´d like to update our homepage http://www.growth-research.org from time to time. So we are currently looking for a new webmaster. If you have some webmaster knowledge, we will appreciate your support very much! You can contact me by e-mail at harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com
Thank you very much!
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: OneSevenOne on September 12, 2012, 07:49:41 PM
Harold can you just out line what is it you are doing?  No trade secrets, just a ball park idea of how your theories work.

Also outline what is stopping you moving further?  I can't see how if your ideas are solid there won't be at least one person willing to fund this.

Gene sequencing is far cheaper and quicker these days no?  What's the issues?

I feel we need a better overall understanding here.

171


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on September 20, 2012, 03:17:56 PM
Dear 171,
as I already said: I am not allowed to reveal more details on a public internet discussion board, as I have signed strict confidentiality agreements.
Active members of our "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative", interested donators or investors will of course receive more detailed information after also signing a confidentiality agreement.
Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: syabilm on October 20, 2012, 05:36:10 AM
Harald, how's it going with ur project? Wish u all the best


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Wannabegiant on July 30, 2013, 05:14:31 PM
Quote from: HaraldO link=topic=28. msg64927#msg64927 date=1348154276
Dear 171,
as I already said: I am not allowed to reveal more details on a public internet discussion board, as I have signed strict confidentiality agreements. 
Active members of our "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative", interested donators or investors will of course receive more detailed information after also signing a confidentiality agreement.
Best regards
Harald

Hi Harald, I hope the project is still active and that you managed to get the funding.  Im honestly a bit shocked at how seemingly little interest there is for investors in height increase for adults, as im aware that a LOT of people would be willing to pay to get taller if there was a safer method that wasnt as invasive.  The current LL method takes to long to get done and heal, and when you are unable to live your life normally for such a long period of time it becomes almost impossible to keep the surgery a secret, even if you only wanted a small increase. 

Im personally hoping some small and east method that can increase height by 3 cms (slightly more than one inch), thats all I need.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Sweden on July 30, 2013, 06:26:45 PM
3cm takes 1 months and then 1 more month to heal up.
No one only wants 3cm.....


This proves pretty good that limb lengthening is the only way to become taller. Don't mind others telling you something else.
This thread should be locked. What else is there to discuss?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: jenslarsen on July 30, 2013, 06:50:47 PM
3cm takes 1 months and then 1 more month to heal up.
No one only wants 3cm.....


This proves pretty good that limb lengthening is the only way to become taller. Don't mind others telling you something else.
This thread should be locked. What else is there to discuss?

I'd like 3 cm very much if it was through a safe method that also was cheaper and easier than LL. But this thing doesn't seem legit at all.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Wannabegiant on July 30, 2013, 06:53:43 PM
Quote from: Sweden link=topic=28. msg83995#msg83995 date=1375208805
3cm takes 1 months and then 1 more month to heal up. 
No one only wants 3cm. . . . .


This proves pretty good that limb lengthening is the only way to become taller.  Don't mind others telling you something else. 
This thread should be locked.  What else is there to discuss?

Yeah in that case it could possibly be doable during a summer while keeping it a secret from most people.  However for only 3 cm I think there is potential for gaining it with LSJL and some kind of foot surgery, as I have flat feet.  But im not sure if it is possible today.  Its just that I would feel so stupid paying that kind of money for the regular LL for 3 cm if there would pop up some cheaper easier alternative method right after to get the small gain im looking for.

But yeah im not sure how much trust you can put into these guys, I hope they are the real deal even if it will take them way longer than I can wait to get their project finished.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: jenslarsen on July 30, 2013, 07:08:39 PM
If this thing is at all legit, which it really doesn't seem to be, considering the web site and contact information (PO box in Israel, no real address?!) among other things, it will either way probably take years and years before it's a safe and affordable procedure for the public. Even creating a plain new pharmaceutical drug takes years of research, verification, patenting, quality control and testing..

Unless you are able to accept and become comfortable with your current height, I suggest these solutions: Move somewhere people are shorter, wear taller shoes or use lifts, or have LL done.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Wannabegiant on July 30, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
Btw @Sweden, would the LL procedure be less expensive for doing only 3 cms? Obviously since the lengthening phase is shorter it would be cheaper to rent a hotel and other side costs etc, is healing process shorter as well when lengthening less? You say 1 month but I have heard people saying it taking several months to heal.



Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Sweden on July 30, 2013, 10:59:39 PM
Btw @Sweden, would the LL procedure be less expensive for doing only 3 cms? Obviously since the lengthening phase is shorter it would be cheaper to rent a hotel and other side costs etc, is healing process shorter as well when lengthening less? You say 1 month but I have heard people saying it taking several months to heal.



Only Dr Mirzoyan will do 3cm for you and then external only probably.

It's pointless to even reconsider doing 3cm. If you feel that you have to do this then do 4,5cm and you will have as close to no problems at all.
After 6-7 months you're back to work close to normal.

Fast nånting säger mig att du helt enkelt inte kommer göra detta. Läs på ordentligt och sätt dig in i vad det verkligen handlar om.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Wannabegiant on July 30, 2013, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: Sweden link=topic=28. msg84017#msg84017 date=1375225179
Only Dr Mirzoyan will do 3cm for you and then external only probably. 

It's pointless to even reconsider doing 3cm.  If you feel that you have to do this then do 4,5cm and you will have as close to no problems at all. 
After 6-7 months you're back to work close to normal. 

Fast nånting säger mig att du helt enkelt inte kommer göra detta.  Läs på ordentligt och sätt dig in i vad det verkligen handlar om. 

I will do this procedure if nothing new has come up during the first half of 2014.  Some alternative that might work for people who only need small increases.  I know for sure that my life would be perfect in my eyes if I could reach this height.  I have worked on my insecurities and physical problems all my life and this is pretty much the last one I got, The bigger portion of my life of regulary being disrespected and feeling inferior has formed my personality.  I know I can only be happy if I eliminate all of my percieveable weaknesses, 3 cm will make me average in height while im below average as I am right now. 

Jag vet vad det handlar om.  Fysisk smärta har aldrig varit ett problem för mig.  Det som gör det här till ett så svårt beslut är just det faktum att jag inte vill att någon förutom min familj ska veta att jag har gjort det.  Samt så känns priset alldeles för högt för 3 cm när det kanske kommer nått nytt som kan ge små längdökningar under de kommande åren.  Jag testar redan LSJL och tror faktiskt att det kan fungera.  fast 10. 000 dollar kan jag definitivt tänka mig betala, och det var för 5 cm, men jag tar hellre ett lägre pris för 3 cm om det e möjligt då jag kan komma tillbaka till det normala livet snabbare.

 Då jag bara behöver 3 cm och är 23 år så kommer de flesta bekanta inte märka skillnaden och de som gör det kommer bortförklara det som en sen växtspurt.  En skillnad på 3 cm kommer inte få folk att börja snacka om det öppet iaf.  Men om jag behöver vara på sjukhus/vara orörlig i benen i 2 månader för 3 cm så kan jag tänka mig att offra en sommar för det, men då e frågan hur länge jag behöver gå på kryckor efter det.  Jag skulle kunna skylla kryckorna på en olycka/skada iofs. 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: jenslarsen on July 31, 2013, 12:55:58 AM
Jeg ville definitivt minst forlenget 4 cm, og mer sannsynlig ca 5. Du kan fortsatt bruke skade-unnskyldingen din, og om noen spør om hvorfor du er så "mye" høyere så sier du det er fordi skaden din krevde at du fikk forlenget bena litt.

Du virker rimelig sikker på at kun 3 cm ekstra vil gjøre livet ditt "perfekt", men det høres litt merkelig ut. Har du verifisert dette på noen måte, ved å enkelt og greit gå med noen billige lifts som gir deg 3 cm ekstra i skoene, over lengre tid? Null risiko ved å forsøke det først iallfall.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Wannabegiant on July 31, 2013, 06:01:01 AM
Quote from: jenslarsen link=topic=28. msg84022#msg84022 date=1375232158
Jeg ville definitivt minst forlenget 4 cm, og mer sannsynlig ca 5.  Du kan fortsatt bruke skade-unnskyldingen din, og om noen spør om hvorfor du er så "mye" høyere så sier du det er fordi skaden din krevde at du fikk forlenget bena litt.

Du virker rimelig sikker på at kun 3 cm ekstra vil gjøre livet ditt "perfekt", men det høres litt merkelig ut.  Har du verifisert dette på noen måte, ved å enkelt og greit gå med noen billige lifts som gir deg 3 cm ekstra i skoene, over lengre tid? Null risiko ved å forsøke det først iallfall.

Im already using "lifts" because im flatfooted, but it doesnt cut it for me, I want to "feel" and know that Im one of the "average" guys when it comes to height.  In my head it just feels fake with lifts and while it helps in nightclubs a bit it still doesnt make me feel whole and happy.  I want to be 178 for real.

And for me 3 cm would be preferred over 4 or 5 cm if it meant shorter time in the hospital and until im walking again, as well as it being significantly cheaper.  If what Sweden is saying is true, that you can get it done in 2 montsh for 3 cm, and then walk on crutches a bit after that, and if the cheapest price is 10. 000 dollars in India for 5 cm and if im able to get it even cheaper by doing 3, then I would do it next summer since I will finish my University program by then.  However it seems only a few doctors will do 3 cm so that might be a problem as well.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on August 01, 2013, 05:58:36 PM
Dear Wannabegiant,
thanks for your request. Unfortunately we haven´t made much progress (mostly due to a lack of active supporters, who share our vision of a safe and effective biomedical height increase therapy). So there is unfortunately no possibility, that there will be a good alternative to LL surgery during the first half of 2014.
@jenslarsen: Concerning the P.O. Box-adress: I would be more than happy to create an official organization with a formal postal adress. But that would require at least 5 people in one country, who would be brave enough to reveal their identity to the public in connection with height increase research ... and that has been impossible during the last few years.
And we can´t be a scam, as we don´t request money from "normal" people ... we are looking for wealthy donators or (angel) investors, that could visit the involved researchers at their university laboratories before making a final funding decision.
Still every support for this goal would be very welcome! I am still convinced, that medical research has arrived at a point, that could turn this vision into reality, if there was sufficient funding. 
Best regards
Harald
 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Wannabegiant on August 01, 2013, 06:33:00 PM
Dear Wannabegiant,
thanks for your request. Unfortunately we haven´t made much progress (mostly due to a lack of active supporters, who share our vision of a safe and effective biomedical height increase therapy). So there is unfortunately no possibility, that there will be a good alternative to LL surgery during the first half of 2014.
@jenslarsen: Concerning the P.O. Box-adress: I would be more than happy to create an official organization with a formal postal adress. But that would require at least 5 people in one country, who would be brave enough to reveal their identity to the public in connection with height increase research ... and that has been impossible during the last few years.
And we can´t be a scam, as we don´t request money from "normal" people ... we are looking for wealthy donators or (angel) investors, that could visit the involved researchers at their university laboratories before making a final funding decision.
Still every support for this goal would be very welcome! I am still convinced, that medical research has arrived at a point, that could turn this vision into reality, if there was sufficient funding. 
Best regards
Harald
 

No worries Harald, Im just happy that someone is working on this problem. I just want to feel average in height as soon as possible. So if I end up doing LL for 4 cms the next summer 2014, and someone manages to come up with an cheaper and less invasive alternative after that. Then I might try that as well to get even taller as long as it doesnt require as much sacrifice as LL does. I know I will be satisfied with being average but if an easy option existed obviously people would go for more height.

Btw Initially I didnt really belive it could be possible to get taller without some type of invasive method like surgery, injecting stem cells etc. But after reading this I definitely think it is possible, and that money is the real problem.

http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2013/07/13/increase-height-and-grow-taller-using-vitamin-k2-aka-menaquinone/

Apparantly some type of daily Vitamin K2 supplement was able to increase a womans length with 3 cm over a period of about 6 months. But she was suffering from osteoporosis. maybe that condition weakens the bones enough and lessens their denisty, to allow them to stretch and grow from the Vitamin K2.

I defintitely think this project could be succesful if you got the money. Best of luck Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Fullest on August 06, 2013, 04:33:25 AM
Hi guys i am new to the forum and since i dont know how to open a new thread ill ask here if its ok with you. . . im 170cm and im 24 years old. I feel like a midget tbh. . . . i come from the eastern Europe(Balkans) where most of people are 180+. . . most of my friends are 185-190cm or more. . . My mom is really short and i am on her i guess. I searched solutions or better to say alternatives for operation,cus i dont have the money or the balls to do operation. I saw video that promises increase in height. . . this is the site http: www.  widershoulderbones.  com. . . im not advertising or anything. . . . i just wanna see all solutions since noone mentioned this in the 'scam part' so wondering if someone have tried and seen this?Thanks so much guys. . .


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Sweden on August 06, 2013, 07:51:42 AM
Hi guys i am new to the forum and since i dont know how to open a new thread ill ask here if its ok with you. . . im 170cm and im 24 years old. I feel like a midget tbh. . . . i come from the eastern Europe(Balkans) where most of people are 180+. . . most of my friends are 185-190cm or more. . . My mom is really short and i am on her i guess. I searched solutions or better to say alternatives for operation,cus i dont have the money or the balls to do operation. I saw video that promises increase in height. . . this is the site http: www.  widershoulderbones.  com. . . im not advertising or anything. . . . i just wanna see all solutions since noone mentioned this in the 'scam part' so wondering if someone have tried and seen this?Thanks so much guys. . .

The only thing you can do to become taller is with limb lengthening.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: john_r on August 07, 2013, 09:14:58 PM
Any updates? I support this 100 percent, and hoping for cure for short stature without LL in the future!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: vimpere2008 on August 08, 2013, 08:45:08 PM
hello friends , i am sorry to put this thread because i cant creat new in possible alternatives forum

so,this page claims growing taller without surgery
it is scam?

Using An Electrical Pulse Massager Physiotherapy Device To Increase Longitudinal Growth In Vivo For Open Growth Plates (Big Breakthrough)


hxxp: www. naturalheightgrowth. com/author/admin/


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MiracleGrow on February 27, 2014, 11:00:24 AM
Hello Harold. I was wondering if you could give us a 2014 update on how things are going and how we might be able to help your initiative, if possible. Your initiative seems very worthwhile, especially if it carries the potential to allow for safe height/length gain in areas other than the legs. Anyways, I hope the project it still in the works, and, if so, I wish you the very best of luck. I look forward to your response.

Sincerely,
MiracleGrow


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on February 27, 2014, 06:24:34 PM
Dear MiracleGrow,
thanks for your request.
Unfortunately still no major news ... and personally I don´t have much time for supporting height increase research anymore.
But we have a very motivated new Biomedical Growth Research Initiative (BGRI) -member in the USA, who tries to get some support in this very important country. So especially if you live in the USA, you will be very much invited to join these efforts. Connecting by the internet is good, but personal contacts are better, of course. And maybe we could even create an official growth research organization (not just an initiative) in the foreseeable future.
And still we need a new webmaster in order to update our homepage and do some Search Engine Optimization.
There are of course many, many other ways to help ... so still EVERY support is welcome, in order to make progress for our common goal - a safe and effective height increase therapy!
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on February 27, 2014, 06:30:58 PM
P.S.: Every interested support can still contact me by e-mail: harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com
I would establish a personal contact with the new US-BGRI-chapter.
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on February 27, 2014, 06:55:22 PM
P.P.S.: As long as we are unable to start specific biomedical height increase research projects, I have some hopes e.g. concerning the regenerative medicine projects of the US army. Their main aim is the regeneration of severe injuries, like e.g. lost limbs. But of course I hope, that the principles concerning the regeneration of lost limb tissue may be modified for the indication limb lengthening. Here are some interesting links concerning these efforts:
http://www.bu.edu/sjmag/scimag2008/Story%20pages/DARPA.html
http://www.wpi.edu/news/20089/cellthera.html
http://www.news-record.com/news/article_7619f0da-9ee9-11e3-bcdc-0017a43b2370.html
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: MiracleGrow on February 27, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
Thanks for your detailed and thorough response, Harald. I am majoring in biomedical engineering myself at the moment and feel very inclined to become more involved with your projects once I have gained sufficient knowledge and resources (contacts, credentials, funding, time etc.) to feel that I can be of significant help. Time and funding are the biggest issues for me at the moment, but I hope that out paths may cross in the future. You seem like a very good guy with great goals and interests. Please update us if any significant progress is made.

If, during my time at university, should I meet a professor or research group interested in height-increase related BME projects (like you said, these seem to be few), I'll definitely let them know about your initiative. Helping people's body images and self concepts definitely makes the world a better place and it's wonderful to see that initiatives related to height do exist, though the may be small. Here's to hoping that advancements can be made in the not-too-distant future.

Cheers,
MiracleGrow


PS. How did you become involved in the army's tissue regeneration research? I'd like to get involved in this field as well.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 01, 2014, 09:15:30 AM
Dear MiracleGrow,

the BGRI is not connected with the US Army research programs. I just consider that an interesting way of research also for the indication height increase.

If you send me a personal e-mail, we can discuss ways, how you could get involved in these or other limb regeneration research projects.

Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: ITALIANOMI on April 19, 2014, 05:11:35 PM
Not a good solution, I think.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 03, 2015, 04:54:58 PM
Hello,
our homepage http://www.growth-research.org is down ... and unfortunately our former webmaster doesn´t reply any more. Does anybody know, how we could reactivate the homepage? If yes, please send me a short e-mail (harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com).
Thank you very much
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: zeo on June 03, 2015, 05:25:18 PM
Hello,
our homepage http://www.growth-research.org is down ... and unfortunately our former webmaster doesn´t reply any more. Does anybody know, how we could reactivate the homepage? If yes, please send me a short e-mail (harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com).
Thank you very much
Harald

I don't know all that much about websites but you would need access to the administrator settings, which you could only pretty much do if you know the username/password. If you don't, then you would pretty much have to reinstall whatever content management system they are using (probably wordpress) and it would pretty much erase the whole website. At least I think that's how it works I'm not very familiar with webdesign

Anyways your best bet is doing a "whois" search on the website and trying to get the contact information of whoever it's registered too. https://www.whois.net/

If you put http://www.growth-research.org/ into the whois search you will see all the information that has to do with the website. It seems to be registered to a "United Applications - Privacy Services" based in Seattle, Washington. They have an email and even a phone number on the whois search that you can see and use contact them. I think those are the people that would know more about the site.

Anyways good luck with your endeavors.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: femurs2014 on June 05, 2015, 01:57:41 PM
I don't know about you guys but Harold seems like a nice guy.... However after reading his first post I knew it was not worth anytime to learn more about his group.

Unless he is the scientist or the investor his group will go no where.  He is just s group of short guys wanting to get taller.  Waste

If you want to get taller you need to do LL.

Maybe one day there will be an alternative but it won't come from Harold's group.  His group doesn't bring any uniqueness to the project other than being short.  So dr's wanting to do a case study will perform their own with their selection.

Overall any LL will require surgery.  There is no pill or drink that will ever magically go straight to one bone and make it grow.  It's funny people don't understand that.  If there was a magic serium it would need to be injected in bone, but of course , you still have limitations to the speed of the growth as well.  So maybe you would need to inject everyday??? All soft tissue needs to stretch - veins , muscles, nerves, ligaments...

I was laughing after the first sentence.  Not that I don't believe there could be a better way to do this in the future - but because it won't come from Harold's group.  No money and no knowledge.

Sorry Harold not picking on u, just stating reality. You made the post.

I just don't want anybody getting their hopes up reading this topic.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 14, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
Dear femurs2014,
I respect your opinion, but of course I have a different opinion.
We have been in contact with respected university researchers and according to their research proposals a minimally invasive height increase therapy option could be possible in the foreseeable future. The main problem is still the funding problem, not the science.
Best wishes
Harald
P.S.: @MiracleGrow, are you still visiting this board? Would be great to hear from you again.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: Shortlegs on June 14, 2015, 03:54:22 PM
Dear femurs2014,
I respect your opinion, but of course I have a different opinion.
We have been in contact with respected university researchers and according to their research proposals a minimally invasive height increase therapy option could be possible in the foreseeable future. The main problem is still the funding problem, not the science.
Best wishes
Harald
P.S.: @MiracleGrow, are you still visiting this board? Would be great to hear from you again.
What is the progress? It has been 9 years since you first posted on here.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 14, 2015, 04:02:39 PM
Dear shortlegs,
unfortunately there hasn´t been major progress, as we haven´t found a serious funding source yet. There will be real progress as soon as we have found such a funding source.
We have a standard contact letter, which we will forward to any person, that wants to support our search in his/her home town / home country. We are currently a very small initiative. So every support counts!!!
Best wishes
Harald
P.S.: Our homepage is online again. Is there anybody, who could update the homepage for us?


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on June 27, 2015, 10:23:26 AM
Hello,
has anybody here a LinkedIn-account? I´d like to contact an Asian angel investor on this platform.
Thank you very much and best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: frankdrebin on July 11, 2015, 03:42:51 PM
Harald,
Have you thought of starting an Indiegogo campaign? If you make a good case for it, you could certainly raise a few hundred thousand dollars and possibly more.

PS: Is it normal I can't post new topics? I was looking to discuss something here. . .


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on March 22, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Hello,
our homepage http://www.growth-research.org has expired. We are currently reloading the homepage at http://www.growthresearch.org
I hope, that the homepage will be online again soon.
If there are volunteers, that are interested in supporting our "Biomedical Growth Research Inititative", please send me a short e-mail. Every support is very welcome!!!
Best wishes
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: smallpackage on March 29, 2016, 01:21:40 AM
Hi Harald,

When do you expect your updated new home page to be accessible?

Thank you!!


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: madefor70 on October 21, 2016, 08:40:20 AM
Biomedical Research Initiative is likely a scam.

I have contacted universities researchers the Biomedical Research Initiative claims to support who are:
1) Harvard University: Dr.  Vacanti denies knowing them.  University confirmed is a scam from my email contact.
2) University of Alberta - Dr.  Tarek El-Bialy: Denies knowing them.
3) Chinese University of Hong Kong - No response
4) Ruhr University Bochum - University found the Biomedical Research Initiative suspicious and are tracking their emails.

Plus all universities I know have their own process of collecting donations for research.  You can easily find it by typing "<university name> donate".


Regarding the Biomedical Research Initiative researcher Ben/Benjamin Felder who claims to graduate from the Ruhr University Bochum, is found to be suspicious by the university.  Benjamin himself who claims to be working on his own start-up and not a researcher of the university anymore uses emails that look like university emails but can be faked: Benjamin. Felder@ruhr-uni-bochum. de and benjamon. felder@rub. de

The email benjamon. felder@rub. de has been deleted but I still have a record of it, so does the Ruhr University Bochum.

I have email logs if needed.  Some are able to be shared while some aren't due to university policy.

This is a group who has been around about ~14 years, with no progress.  If they were legitimate at all they're time wasted so much time. 


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on October 24, 2016, 04:15:32 PM
Dear SysOp,
I have to talk to you concerning the post from madefor70, who published confidential information in his posting. Could you please send me a personal message or an e-mail to harald_oberlaender@hotmail.com
Thank you very much
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: HaraldO on October 25, 2016, 10:05:19 AM
I am really tired of anonymous posters discussing if the "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" was a scam. Obviously we can´t be a scam, as we don´t accept money from anyone. Every money would go directly to serious university researchers. And of course every interested donator or investor will receive the research proposals first and he/she will be able to meet the researchers personally at their university. And of course we can prove, that we have been in contact with serious researchers in the past.
Best regards
Harald


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: madefor70 on October 31, 2016, 09:14:04 AM
I am really tired of anonymous posters discussing if the "Biomedical Growth Research Initiative" was a scam. Obviously we can´t be a scam, as we don´t accept money from anyone. Every money would go directly to serious university researchers. And of course every interested donator or investor will receive the research proposals first and he/she will be able to meet the researchers personally at their university. And of course we can prove, that we have been in contact with serious researchers in the past.
Best regards
Harald


The Biomedical Research Initiative asks for monetary donations/investment claiming it is for those universities research projects and researchers. Hence, your actions are actually saying you represent those universities. I am claiming these are the sources you claim to support. Your clear lack of denial and wanting removal implies the BMI does claim to support them. If the universities post a statement on their website that BMI is authorized to request for donations or investments, then I am mistaken.

I also have evidence in the form of emails to them and their replies but it's just typed up words. Your so called "proposals" can be taken from the source or made up.

I have nothing to hide hence I invite curious members to check (call/email/etc) with Harvard, Alberta, Chinese University of Hong Kong and Ruhr University Bochum regarding the Biomedical Research Initiative. This doesn't stop you from being time wasters with no progress over a decade.


Title: Re: Serious (bio)medical height increase research projects
Post by: blueturtle on October 31, 2016, 01:21:48 PM
@madefor70: nice job doing the research to dispel a scam.

I feel sorry for the folks in this thread who actually thinks this donation based "research project" would ever materialize. This is a scam like every other magic pill and stretching e-book on the internet, they attack short people's insecurities and give them hope there would be a solution where you don't have to break your legs.