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Title: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 01:22:17 AM
Greetings, Height Seekers Anonymous!

I hope that you are all well. Welcome to an interesting twist on some of our earlier discussions...

Imagine this: Some doctors have developed a pain-free, 100% reliable way of making you taller by growing your body all over so that you can reach your perfect height with no complications, proportions problems or risks.

However, there is one major downside - it will take five (5) years off your life because it will have accelerated your body's regrowth cycles to the point that the average person will live 7.2% less than they would have, because your body will age 7.2% faster - This equates to roughly five years off the life expectancy for the average person person in the developed world.

Would you do it? Vote, but please also tell us why you have chosen the option that you have, and whether or not you would encourage further research by this team of doctors.

Can't wait to see how people react to this one!  ;D

Cheers, MMT


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Legolas on November 25, 2009, 01:59:14 AM
Even at 41 years old, I'd jump at the opportunity in a heartbeat.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 02:01:54 AM
Interesting - thanks for voting!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Magus on November 25, 2009, 02:19:55 AM
It's a very disturbing scenario, but I believe I would go through with it.  A 6-cm height increase would position me a bit above a very good portion of the taller men I see on the streets, and this is very much an issue for me.  I've read the average height of young men in Brazil is 1. 75m nowadays, and it makes sense to me, given my observations.  If I could be some 15 cm taller while keeping proportions, I'd be very satisfied.  The hypothetical decision of giving up 5 years of my life is[ deeply disturbing though.

PS: In case you wonder, I 'think' I'm 1. 77m, after a number of self-measurements without wearing shoes.  I'm not shorter than 1. 76m for sure.  I intend to have a consultation with Dr.  Renato Slomka in Porto Alegre, Brazil after I'm done with my current predicament in life (master's. . . ), to help decide if it makes sense to go through the treatment over here - otherwise I like the Prof.  Xia prospect (more economically sound than going with Dr.  Betz for sure, and I haven't taken the time to analyze other possibilities yet).  In any case, money is blocking me nowadays, and it will be at least a few years before I can take the plunge.  Meanwhile I go to the gym 4-5 days a week in an attempt to have a body I may find otherwise good.  I'm 26 and have graduated in Computer Science, BTW.

PS#2: I don't think making this introduction post on this thread was the best move, but I got in the spirit.  o_o'


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 02:46:04 AM
It's a very disturbing scenario, but I believe I would go through with it.  A 6-cm height increase would position me a bit above a very good portion of the taller men I see on the streets, and this is very much an issue for me.  I've read the average height of young men in Brazil is 1. 75m nowadays, and it makes sense to me, given my observations.  If I could be some 15 cm taller while keeping proportions, I'd be very satisfied.  The hypothetical decision of giving up 5 years of my life is[ deeply disturbing though.

Welcome - a very interesting first post! :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 04:11:52 AM
Why did the people who voted no vote no? Share your thoughts, please!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: midget on November 25, 2009, 04:32:34 AM
I voted NO mainly due to the simple fact that life is already far too short. No pun intended. I want as much time as possible to share my life, love and experiences with all those I care about and missing out on 5yrs of that would be pretty damned sad :(. Id rather stay 5'5" and be happy, healthy and in love than be 5'11" and dead 5yrs sooner. 2yrs however, mmmmmm. Maybe then. Very tempting. Defenitely not 5yrs though.

Midget


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: NoTanAlto2 on November 25, 2009, 05:04:37 AM
I voted No.

Life goes by so fast and, before you know it, you will be begging for those last five years.
Then again, one or two years MAY be a different story bc you are essentially using those years anyway to recuperate 100% from LL....so maybe I'd give up two years. I just cant bare the thought of actually trading 5 years of my life to be 6 feet....never know though I may have different thoughts about it if the opportunity actually came up lol.  :-\


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MedStudent on November 25, 2009, 05:11:20 AM
this is a very interesting question!...i voted YES...because when u do LL, your taking 2 years off your life anyways taking into account recovery and just getting back to normal life mode. Caz u gotta wait 12-18 months to remove the internal rod (if applicable)..So i look at it as trading only 3 years. In addition, you reach your "perfect" height with no proportion problems, and it would be free...Some ppl spend 1 year just to save up for LL...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: galaxystar on November 25, 2009, 05:28:59 AM
Since my grandparents have all survived into their late eighties and early nineties, five years of life would really seem very miniscule. :)



Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Apotheosis on November 25, 2009, 06:09:37 AM
I voted no because I agree with the argument that life is too short, and five years is too much time to give up.

When we are young, we waste a lot of our lives on frivolous things, and when we are older, life is a gift that is cherished more the closer we get to the end of it. Five years is a lot of living to give away. Even while going through the pain of leg lengthening and the instability of consolidating, we are each still able to live our our day-to-day lives to one degree or another.

LL patients have to trade a few months of time away from friends and families to attain our height goals, but even while away from home, each patient is still alive and able to pursue friendships, relationships and experiences. To me, that's what living is all about, and I wouldn't trade a moment of that to be taller. I plan to take on the challenge of LL as a part of the arc of experiences in my life, to be enjoyed and reviled just as much as any triumph after overcoming a difficult experience.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Legolas on November 25, 2009, 07:07:22 AM

Second Life

Well, if younger ellers could see the arc of their life in a single vision -- a glimpse into their future, like a medicine man -- then perhaps the decision would be rather straightforward. Personally I think it would be one of the easiest decisions of their relatively short life. I have forty-one memory-packed years in which to look back upon and draw what-ifs in my mind. I can go back to the summer before university, to the coast-to-coast motorcycle ride with my best friend, Mark. Mark, the 185 cm blonde-hair blue-eyed son of an Englishman (and from a long line of doctors, dating back to the 1800s) with a professional surfer’s physique, the insecure high school who used to fret about his long skinny legs, the university stud who took over my fraternity in the third year. My other best friend, Morgan -- tall, dark-haired, sweet-talking lady killer. I have thousands, tens of thousands, of memories twirling about in my head like dust devils.

My short life contrasted against their tall life.

I search through my memories on a regular basis. I don’t harp on them or anything crazy like that. They’re like comfort food. I go surfing through my memories whenever they break like waves against the shoals of my frontal lobe. Some memories are triggered, like waves from a passing a freight; some are pulled up from the depths like slipstreams of a rising whale (the big bad skeleton in your closet). I go deep with my high school memories in 80s, shallow with my writing life in Northeast Asia in the 00s. I can create a stacking queue of height-related memories with just Mark: a) Mark getting picked up in bars by long-legged lookers b) Mark on his 700cc motorcycle, looking like it was custom made for him c) Mark getting the promotion at 27 d) Mark getting another promotion at 30, then at 33. I can regress back into my memories and remember the circumstances around Mark’s first life-changing and career-making promotion. It was the culmination of having lived twenty-seven years as an alpha male. I know. I was there. I was the short guy looking up.

Looking back over the years, I can’t believe how much easier it was for him and others like him. Things just plopped into his lap, year after year. He wasn’t the smartest kid in the class because he didn’t have to be. He could just be whatever it was that those around him were projecting up onto him. In many ways he was like those big whitewashed screens at the drive-in theatre. You could project whatever you wanted onto it, and it’d look big.

Again, I don’t dwell in the past. I’m just making a point. The point: height matters. I have decades of examples twirling about in my head. But, again, I don’t dwell. I simply use certain memories as way points, markers in my life. Older people have more perspective. They’ve lived more, accumulated my life experience, been there, done that. Thus, in regard to MMT’s question, it would be easier for older people to take such leaps of faith as having radical surgeries in far away places. Heck, John Scalzi wrote a SF series on the subject. John Scalzi’s Old Man’s War. We, the old men and women, just wish we’d such options way back when. Hmm,

Shorter life but tall
or
Longer life but short?

You’d think those closer to the end of their life than the beginning would not even consider such a thing. Messing around with lifelines, with bones, your frick’n skeleton!? Forget about it, right? But you’d be dead wrong to think such a thing, because post-LL life marks a new beginning, a second chance at reaching for things that were once out of reach.

What was once unreachable is now within reach.
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A second life, the stuff of good science fiction.






Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Thriving-Floret on November 25, 2009, 07:54:45 AM
Yes!

Truly life is short. I agree with MedStudent that LL would pretty much take 2years of your life..
Yet, after LL you'll be able to have an exhilarating life with much more confidence and enjoyment.
So it's the QUALITY of life rather than the Quantity. It's better to live a short full life than a long miserable or depressing life!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Smile-Always on November 25, 2009, 08:05:00 AM
Yes!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: M-Tel on November 25, 2009, 09:42:30 AM
my answer is YES

life is short, thats right so better live it as happy as i can and nothing can make me happier more than a little 10cm of height.
another point is that i believe i will die when my day has come and not 5 years earlier.

i wish this solution will be on market in my country, and not very expensive, otherwise it will be just another pain for me to know about another unreachable solution.

good luck to the doctor's team


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: SoleBaje on November 25, 2009, 11:06:32 AM
Yes!

Truly life is short. I agree with MedStudent that LL would pretty much take 2years of your life..
Yet, after LL you'll be able to have an exhilarating life with much more confidence and enjoyment.
So it's the QUALITY of life rather than the Quantity. It's better to live a short full life than a long miserable or depressing life!

IDEM. Quality over quantity, anyday...no..EVERYday.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: upinthesky on November 25, 2009, 11:29:33 AM
Yes!

5 years will be taken from my last days anyway - hopefully when I'm old - and I don't want to live so much because I don't like the idea of getting old. I just want to live a good, quality life - whether it's long or short.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 12:16:43 PM
Perhaps this helps us to understand who really wants to be taller, versus those for whom it would be a nice to have?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Chri123 on November 25, 2009, 06:15:51 PM
I think 5 is too easy, I'd trade 20 years.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Kidrobot on November 25, 2009, 06:18:01 PM
Perhaps this helps us to understand who really wants to be taller, versus those for whom it would be a nice to have?

Okay, I'm going to really restrain myself from offending anyone, but it is clear to me from the YES responses that either you people have not taken the time to really self-reflect on yourself and life and the meaning of this question, or else there are a lot of people who need some SERIOUS psychiatric help.

FIrst, it is pretty clear to me that some of you need help which has nothing to do with your height. I don't want to single anyone out but there's a lot of body dysmorphia, height neurosis and self-hatred demonstrated by many of you--a lot of the problems in life some of you have will NOT be solved through LL, your problems run much deeper.  

Second, MMT, this whole 5 years question is extremely childish and stupid. For someone who is always proclaiming their sophistication and intelligence --I'm sorry, but it's rather immature. It's like one of those games adolescent boys play such as: would you do X to sleep with a supermodel?

First of all, do any of you who answered "yes" plan on being parents? Have any of you ever lost parents, a child or loved ones? How's this question: what would you give to have them around for 5 more years? What's your answer jackass?

And Medstudent, I seriously hope you're not a real medstudent(God save your future patients) because your comment about losing 2 years of your life because you're undergoing LL is ridiculous! Okay, so you may not be able to walk, but you're still alive! You can still read books, enjoy art, movies, music, food, the company of your friends and loved ones, mastering all kinds of new skills --I guess people in wheel chairs might as well just be dead because they have limited mobility all their lives.

So MMT, I'll answer your question about why I answered NO. Yes, height is important, yes it can make a personal difference in how you feel about yourself --but if you're willing to lose five years of your life over this then it means it has become some kind of holy grail, all consuming obsession that you think will suddenly solve all of your problems --guys it will not--and it also means that you are not paying attention to all the wonderful things life does have to offer. This height obsession is preventing you from seeing things clearly. And by the way, the whole question is vague: lose 5 years? Which 5 years? At the tailend of your life? During you're twenties?

MMT, I think your question was indeed revealing after all --some of you have a mental sickness.












Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Bar on November 25, 2009, 07:17:19 PM
Definitely YES!
Without think twice...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Magus on November 25, 2009, 07:25:32 PM
Given my talks with a few friends I can say it's easy to argue that anybody willing to through cosmetic LL, which is not something to be taken lightly, has a mental sickness, you know. . .  After all, the biggest practical difference is likely to manifest itself in one's mind.  Where one should draw the line seems a bit burry.  It takes determination to go up against most people's common sense and embrace the idea of undergoing an expensive long drastic process, and determination that defies the collectivity. . .  well. . .

I do realize a gain in height alone won't make any miracles in overall life quality, but it is a very powerful physical - and indirectly psychological - enhancement nonetheless, especially if you value height particularly highly, which is my case (hearing talks about height especially in my childhood and teenage years had an impact for sure).

Having said all this, losing 5 years of my life like that would be truly a terrible price to pay, even if I managed to accept it with a heavy heart.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Magus on November 25, 2009, 07:30:32 PM
I couldn't find the "Edit" button.  I meant "blurry", not "burry".  :P

Ah, and thanks, MMT.   :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: tesean on November 25, 2009, 07:50:22 PM
where do you get more info on this new procedure?????


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
Okay, I'm going to really restrain myself from offending anyone, but it is clear to me from the YES responses that either you people have not taken the time to really self-reflect on yourself and life and the meaning of this question, or else there are a lot of people who need some SERIOUS psychiatric help.

You know, every intelligent thread that we create on this forum causes at least one troll to come and upset the party by going off-topic and getting all disrespectful.  ::)

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Second, MMT, this whole 5 years question is extremely childish and stupid. For someone who is always proclaiming their sophistication and intelligence --I'm sorry, but it's rather immature. It's like one of those games adolescent boys play such as: would you do X to sleep with a supermodel?

Well, I'm awfully sorry, but someone like you calling me childish and stupid has given me the biggest laugh for a long time.

Firstly, there is nothing childish about the question. It was a straightforward and deliberately abstracted question designed to generate debate and deep thought, something that you seem to have misunderstood, which is no surprise as most of the conversation here clearly goes over your head - no pun intended.

You calling me stupid doesn't even need a response - my intellect and education trumps yours on every measure, so you're just being plain rude.

What I think that you were trying to say is that you don't agree, but your lack of intellect doesn't make it easy for you to see the difference between something that is stupid, and something that you do not agree with.

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First of all, do any of you who answered "yes" plan on being parents? Have any of you ever lost parents, a child or loved ones? How's this question: what would you give to have them around for 5 more years? What's your answer jackass?

I'll ignore the use of bad language, because I guess that you cannot help yourself - it's a class thing.

But if you were more intelligent, you would realise that people who do LL already give up about five years of their lives. That is the subtle nuance of my question that the more intelligent members of the community have grasped, but you haven't.

The time that people spend researching, participating in this forum, weighing-up options, saving up the money needed, undergoing the procedure, recovering and returning to normal life can take years, as covered by MedStudent.

The second dimension, one that will be even more difficult for you to grasp, is that time alone means nothing - intelligent people understand that quality is more important.

To unpack that for you, Kidrobot, it means that whilst less intelligent, less-applied people are happy to lead a mediocre life, a deeply intelligent person would rather live 3 years close to perfection, than 5 years in unhappiness.

Legolas has explained this beautifully, although I suspect you'll find it hard to follow what he is saying :)

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--but if you're willing to lose five years of your life over this then it means it has become some kind of holy grail, all consuming obsession that you think will suddenly solve all of your problems --guys it will not--

Who said that it would?  ???

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This height obsession is preventing you from seeing things clearly. And by the way, the whole question is vague: lose 5 years? Which 5 years? At the tailend of your life? During you're twenties?

OK, Einstein, help to educate me here - how could you lose five years out of the middle of your life, exactly? Surely if you live for five years less, it would mean five years off the end of your life? Unless you're aware of some amazing new concept in Quantum Mechanics or Quantum Theory that I missed when doing my degree at Oxford?

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MMT, I think your question was indeed revealing after all --some of you have a mental sickness.

How can my question reveal that people have 'a mental sickness' [sic]. (The correct expression would be mental illness).

Your response was more revealing than my answer - a small-minded person lacking in vision, intellect and vocabulary who is frightened of change, and incapable of deep, analytical thought.

It's just as well you're not a fan of LL - if you have problems with your life, it's not your height holding you back, but your mind ;)

It's interesting how the first people to call others stupid are always those lacking in intelligence themselves! :D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Kidrobot on November 25, 2009, 08:24:02 PM
Listen MMT, no need to be a spaz and call me a troll.

I didn't call you stupid, but I do think the question is --okay, so I disagree as you put it. I am interested in LL, I think it would be a form of "enhancement" and not something "transformational". I do think that's the best way of looking at it. In any case, YOU were the one who asked respondents to justify their NO responses and I obliged. Now you don't like my answer --live with it.

And there's no reason for making assumptions about my class or education level. You're wrong about the assumptions you made about me, but I'm not going to play the childish game of comparing university degrees, income levels, or social standing. You went to Oxford --good for you! You do a good job moderating this forum and I commend you for it. So just relax.



Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 25, 2009, 09:00:05 PM
Listen MMT, no need to be a spaz and call me a troll.

Just like there was no need to suggest that me - and thousands of other people here in our community - have a mental sickness [sic].

And I'm not surprised that you don't want to compare education, income or social standing ;)

Just think before you type next time ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Frank on November 25, 2009, 09:45:24 PM
I put yes. The reason I said yes was that I considered the alternate question:

Would I give up 7-8 cm of my current height so I could live 5 years longer?

The answer to that would be no and this helped me make my decision.

Another thing is the years would have to be lost at the end of my life i.e. when 70 years old. I think if you had to give up 5 years of your 20s or 30s then it would be a massive sacrifice.

Also, i have to accept that I am going to die at some point anyway; I don't have to accept being short, though.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: lf on November 26, 2009, 01:20:01 AM
I have voted YES, in spite of the fact that at my age, 52!!, loosing 5 years of life could mean wasting 20% of my remaining life. However, you can not evaluate life just by measuring its length, but by measuring how many happy moments and experiences you have lived. Life is important only is you LIVE it.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 26, 2009, 02:08:15 AM
The voting is much more balanced than I thought - it's interesting that the community seems to be quite polarised around this issue...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: jack0life on November 26, 2009, 06:03:37 AM
The majority are voting YES because everyone expects to live past 80.
5 yrs subtracted from sitting in your wheelchair doing basically nothing at 80+ is an easy YES.
If the life expectancy was ~60 the voting would have been different.
BTW, I voted YES.
When I'm older, I see myself enjoying life by traveling and playing golf on a regular basis.
Hard to see myself doing that once I'm past 75+ so its an easy yes for me.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Legolas on November 26, 2009, 11:30:24 AM

(http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.gif)

Reading [Kidrobot's] understanding of [leg-lengthening] in these instances is like being slathered in a thick coat of ignorant, and then being put out into the sun to dry out before a second coat is applied, which itself will be topped off by a sealant of complete and utter stupid, and lightly drizzled with a glistening varnish of epic fail.

I apologize for quoting something out of context, but I felt compelled to do so. Memory, what a strange beast, eh? For Whatever reason, Kidrobot triggered an eighteen-month-old memory yesterday. It was of something John Scalzi posted on his epic blog, Whatever. John was reacting to a rather troll-like character himself.

As a best-selling science fiction writer and Hugo award-winning blogger, Scalzi is especially learned in the subjects of free speech and intellectual property rights, just as MMT is especially learned in the subject of leg-lengthening and entrepreneurship. The trolls? Er, well, trolls are trolls. 

http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm (http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm)   

Psycho Trolls: These trolls have an unconscious psychological need to feel good by making others feel bad. Such people may use their real names on the internet, and they may not even realise that they are "trolling".

So, in reality, Kidrobot is the one with a "mental sickness," the one who really needs "some SERIOUS psychiatric help."

Cribnote to Kidrobot: Entrepreneurship is the act of being an entrepreneur, which is a French word meaning "one who undertakes an endeavor".

Kidrobot, are you endeavoring to be a troll, or is this your natural personality? Because if this is you, then don't walk, run, dear boy, run to the nearest psychiatric clinic and get yourself a nice cereal-bowl size bottle of anti-troll pills. Just be careful not to confuse them with the Froot Loops, though. And don't mix them with your medication for color blindness. Monochromacy, is it?

PS, this post was posted in rainbow-colored fonts, Kidrobot.

You can't see it if you can't perceive it.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/07/25/another-entry-in-the-annals-of-people-who-havent-the-slightest-idea-what-theyre-saying/ (http://whatever.scalzi.com/2008/07/25/another-entry-in-the-annals-of-people-who-havent-the-slightest-idea-what-theyre-saying/)




Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 26, 2009, 12:34:26 PM
When I'm older, I see myself enjoying life by traveling and playing golf on a regular basis.
Hard to see myself doing that once I'm past 75+ so its an easy yes for me.

Couldn't agree more, Jack0life!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: GrownGrowth on November 26, 2009, 07:24:01 PM
Of course. An abundance of Quality is more important than a relatively small Quantity.

Plus, you can easily make up for it with the simplest of anti aging techniques. And, the anti aging "miracle pills" would surely be available in time if this height biotech was already. 

MMT, if there is a legit study on this you should stop holding back and link already. But, maybe you just like stimulating discussion.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 26, 2009, 10:11:36 PM
MMT, if there is a legit study on this you should stop holding back and link already. But, maybe you just like stimulating discussion.

There's nothing worth sharing yet - even the most bullish in the group reckon that the solution is at least 25 years away...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: GrownGrowth on November 27, 2009, 12:12:21 AM
There's nothing worth sharing yet - even the most bullish in the group reckon that the solution is at least 25 years away...

25 years is far less than even half a blink in history. Granted, nobody here in the right mind would postpone LL that long for it. This point aside, I still don't see why you hold back from posting it. It at least adds something interesting to the pile. Plus, many of us will be alive a well in 25 years and may want some icing on our LL cake.

Bulls and Bears are irrelevant. It either works or it doesn't.

Propagating information can only lead to a better chance at alerting scientific and industrial cooperation - potentially expediting the answer to the question of efficacy. Remember, you have plenty of lurkers that could be underestimated.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 27, 2009, 12:33:46 AM
This point aside, I still don't see why you hold back from posting it.

That would be a little thing called a Non Disclosure Agreement!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: alpine.star on November 27, 2009, 01:12:36 AM
It was an easy yes for me; 5 years of "elderly aged living" is too easy a price to pay. In other words, it would be a done deal if someone offered this to me.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: GrownGrowth on November 27, 2009, 03:18:18 AM
That would be a little thing called a Non Disclosure Agreement!

Interesting that you are engaging in NDAs regarding this type of thing, especially considering your stage of LL, the inability to put it in your book for example, and some past commentary on the future of height enhancement.

I suppose the only other harmless and innocent public inquiry that would be appropriate and might be interesting for this thread is to inquire:
What is the general profession, and relative scientific field(s) (this could come from several creative angles), of those that you know of who hold the IP and/or that are under NDA?

Cheers


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 27, 2009, 04:02:15 AM
Interesting that you are engaging in NDAs regarding this type of thing, especially considering your stage of LL, the inability to put it in your book for example, and some past commentary on the future of height enhancement.

Why so?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on November 28, 2009, 02:53:21 PM
So the result looks pretty clear, and it's really no surprise :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: will59 on November 29, 2009, 03:04:32 AM
I am already wasting about 3 years of my young life, in terms of saving, the actual lengthening, and recovery, to get this operation so 5 years off my OLD life would be nothing.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Black_Star on November 29, 2009, 05:19:22 AM
I gotta say this was a very tough choice for me and I appreciate you posing this question, MMT. On the one hand, I want to say that I would be extremely happy should I ever learn to accept and love my height (at an imposing 5' 6.5"/166cm, no less  :P). In such a case, I will have shown mastery over my own desires and the ability to focus on other things that probably have, or should have, more meaning in my life. However, as I am not sure if or when I will be able to accomplish this massive feat, I felt I would probably do better with the trading of five years of life for something that could easily take a lifetime and impact my daily life negatively to some degree (even if that degree is very slight at times). In short, much as Papillion, MMT, and others have noted, I have gone with the shorter yet higher quality life path. Yes, I'm sure there could be exponential spiritual and personal growth at the end of such an arduous journey of surpassing concerns about my height, but what good is such spiritual growth if one is dead?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Growing on November 30, 2009, 07:34:17 AM
I would give 6 years to be 6'1"-6'2".

Does this pass on to my future sons or is it only in my jeans?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: cig on November 30, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
Wow,
I am surprised by the results!
I would in no way ever do that myself!
Life is precious, and you only get to live once.  I would rather cherish every moment I have even if I were shorter than the average man.
I guess it all comes down to self esteem and loving yourself.

Cheers


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: will59 on December 01, 2009, 06:01:52 AM
I guess it all comes down to self esteem and loving yourself.

More like just a strong passion for living in general...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Katze on December 01, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
My answer is a "no Way", and I am quite amazed by the number's of "Yes".

Explanation:

Yes, I am short, and I am very concerned about it. I have been teased all my life, but at only 24, I learned to live with it. I am saving from my LL, but I don't wish to loose much time; I'll have my LL with internal's, so I can recover faster.
I have achieved much of the goals I have set for myself, I am married with a guy that I am completely in love with, I have a degree and a job in the area I like (Psychology), I'm running to Master, and I can help other people to have better lives.

I was in the edge of death a couple times, and believe me, it's a scary feeling of life not lived enough... Even a second more seemed like a blessing.

There's not much I want for life excepting one thing... I want to be a Mom. And when I think about it, I love my babies already. I am not this crazy baby woman, I just want to spend all the time I can with them, when I have them, and with my husband, and if it means never getting taller, I can accept it. If it means loosing 10 cm of the height I already have, it would be hell, but I think I'd still be able to enjoy my life.

In this matter, MMT is right: This pool can show who really is focused on getting taller, but for me there's a limit, and I wouldn't do anything for it.


By the way, this is just my answer and I am judging nobody.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Black_Star on December 02, 2009, 05:54:58 AM
I was in the edge of death a couple times, and believe me, it's a scary feeling of life not lived enough... Even a second more seemed like a blessing.

There's not much I want for life excepting one thing... I want to be a Mom. And when I think about it, I love my babies already. I am not this crazy baby woman, I just want to spend all the time I can with them, when I have them, and with my husband, and if it means never getting taller, I can accept it. If it means loosing 10 cm of the height I already have, it would be hell, but I think I'd still be able to enjoy my life.

Personally, I haven't had my life threatened, so I can intellectually respect how you see place your height in such stark perspective. And I also like that the fact you love your children (its becoming more of a blessing for children these days have to have caring mothers :).

After reading your post, I suppose if I ever found a woman who would help me feel comfortable with my height (or at least less uncomfortable), my answer would be different. Or if my life were suddenly placed on the line.

In the meantime, thank you for your thought provoking post!

Black Star


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Black_Star on December 02, 2009, 06:43:36 AM
Just out of curiosity, I realized, MMT, that you have not shared your thoughts on this topic with us. Your views would be interesting, much like they always are, considering you've been through one of the options already. I think I know what you would say, but if you could go back and do it over again, would you? Or get it done in addition to the LL you've received?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on December 02, 2009, 07:49:41 AM
Just out of curiosity, I realized, MMT, that you have not shared your thoughts on this topic with us. Your views would be interesting, much like they always are, considering you've been through one of the options already. I think I know what you would say, but if you could go back and do it over again, would you? Or get it done in addition to the LL you've received?

Well, I think that a lot of the posters have simply failed to understand one simple fact - no one can predict for sure how long they're going to live, so the question is kind of moot :)

It's purely an exercise in intellectual debate!

I've already had LL, and I have said before that I would never take a pill of any description because the results of biomedical treatments - at least at this stage - are unpredictable :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: alpine.star on December 02, 2009, 02:52:42 PM
Apparently males may be sacrificing longevity to get "bigger bodies" anyway, without any biomedical intervention even. See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8390055.stm


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: lf on December 02, 2009, 07:56:39 PM
Hello MMT,

Sorry but I think, You have not really answered the question. As you said this is purely an exercise in intellectual debate! So the answer must refer to a pain-free, 100% reliable pill with no complications, proportions problems or risks.

The point is: would you trade five years of your life or not?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on December 03, 2009, 01:34:18 AM
So the answer must refer to a pain-free, 100% reliable pill with no complications, proportions problems or risks.

The point is: would you trade five years of your life or not?

No, because I'm happy being 5'11" :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: lf on December 03, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
You are very clever. Once again you have avoided answering your own question and of course you have the right to do it, mainly being the opinion leader in the forum. But, if I were 5’11’’ I would have also answered “NO”, but I am not and you were not two years ago.
You have let the door open for us to speculate if you would have answered the same being 6.5 cm shorter?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Kidrobot on December 03, 2009, 11:19:29 PM
You are very clever. Once again you have avoided answering your own question and of course you have the right to do it, mainly being the opinion leader in the forum. But, if I were 5’11’’ I would have also answered “NO”, but I am not and you were not two years ago.
You have let the door open for us to speculate if you would have answered the same being 6.5 cm shorter?


yeah seriously, at your genetic height --no complications from the pill except you lose 5 years, and the answer is:


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on December 04, 2009, 01:12:56 AM
Guys, I'm not trying to be difficult, but you have to realise that I did LL and it was plain sailing, and I wouldn't change ANY of it - I made great friends, had great experiences and pretty much loved every minute.

So no, I wouldn't have a pill with no complications and five years off my life instead of LL, but it is easy for me to say because I have already done LL and so know what it is like.

Before doing LL I may have been more risk averse. However, I don't even take aspirin if I can avoid it, and I'm not a fan of medication so the pill would never be my preferred option.

If it was the ONLY option, then I would go for it, but I would take LL every time!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: lf on December 04, 2009, 05:07:12 PM
When I answered the poll, I assumed that LL has been banned for some reason and then the pill was the only option available to be taller.
MMT make reconsider my position. I am 12 cm from my ideal height. This means two operations which is hardly possible or accepting a trade and doing only 7.5 cm.
So I stick to my original answer, I will definitely take the the pill.

 I love these speculative games when they are intelligent, let you know what is really important for you.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on December 04, 2009, 08:16:33 PM
I love these speculative games when they are intelligent, let you know what is really important for you.

Yes, intelligent debate is one of life's greatest pleasures... Alas, very few people are able to participate in it in these days of soundbites and crib-notes :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: latoriousblt on December 06, 2009, 01:39:30 AM
For everybody that said no, I don't understand why your here.  To me LL is not just a surgery, it's God's gift to a short person that's why people go thru with it.  I fully understand its expensive on top of that its long on top of that its extremely painful.  But It's what I want to do and its what a lot of other people have already done.  I don't understand why It should take 5 years to recover, that is a ridiculous amount of recovery time and if it takes anybody that long to bounce back then this surgery is not for you.  At the most I'd say one and a half to two years per surgery on the recovery time depending on age. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Katze on December 06, 2009, 02:41:42 AM
Dude, have you even read the tread?

We aren't talking about having or not LL, we are talking about some wandering procedure (some kind of pill) that could give you your perfect height without pain, but making you loose 5 years of your life.

I believe most of the people in the forum is considering LL. You don't need to feel special about it. There's a lot of strong people here.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MMTA on December 06, 2009, 02:51:11 AM
Dude, have you even read the tread?

We aren't talking about having or not LL, we are talking about some wandering procedure (some kind of pill) that could give you your perfect height without pain, but making you loose 5 years of your life.

You don't need to ask why his credibility is so low when he makes posts like that  ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: BizzyBoy on December 10, 2009, 10:29:14 AM
I voted no because not all people live long (depending on health issues genetics,environment,eating habits,etc) and to tell you the truth five years just to be 6'2 (my perfect height) isn't worth it I was hesistant at first when I saw that LL may take 6 months of recovery.  So imagine 5 years.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Michael on February 04, 2010, 04:01:24 AM
Definitely YES!
Without think twice...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: scormus on February 04, 2010, 05:44:47 AM
The answer to this is a function of your starting height.

If you start at 173, then the ideal male height of approx. 180 is just one LL away and my answer would be no.

If you start at 165, then absolutely I would swap 5 years of my life as getting to 180 is two LL's.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: upinthesky on February 05, 2010, 10:32:34 PM
Actually my plan is becoming famous and die when I'm 27, so why not?   ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: takuya on February 06, 2010, 03:13:22 AM
living that long with a short stature is meaningless for me.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 55wannabe58 on February 22, 2010, 04:28:33 AM
Yes, to be 6'2 I would gladly trade 5 years.

I'm willing to trade 2 years for LL to become 5'9.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: six-one-dream on May 06, 2010, 10:01:05 AM
No, I wouldn't trade any of my time. Life is too valuable and statistically I am already tall enough. If I were shorter, I would have moved to Japan before trading years of my life for something so superficial. I'd rather devote my time to something that matters, like becoming a doctor and helping others. While it is true that you lose time doing LL, you can still enjoy simple things like the sun, or nature, or a hug from the people that matter.

P.S. There is one big flaw in the set up -- it is a valid trade-off only presuming that one would die of natural causes.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: jay7 on May 06, 2010, 01:04:52 PM
Interesting question...

- I agree that the answer is probably a function of starting height. I said yes on the poll; however, if the choice to have LL is also a valid alternative I would rather go with LL than aging 7.2% faster than people around me.
I would however still say yes if LL would not be available since quality of life would be more important to me then quantity. In addition, aging 7.2% faster is not really such a big issue, your biological age with 50 would be 53.6... so what? Don't smoke and do sports and noone will notice...;-)

- Comparing "loosing 5 years of your life" with "loosing 2 years of life" through LL - as some here do - is hardly understandable to me. You don't loose any lifetime through LL. You just have a lower quality of life for maybe 2 years (if your inability to play football in year 2 really means lower quality to you...). But the part of really meaningfull decrease in quality is limited to a couple of month... (Actually the guy I met at Guichet's place went out for drinks, dinner, had sex, etc. DURING lengthening. He basically was as disabled as someone with a broken leg on croutches... Absolutely able to enjoy most aspects of life. And even if you have a really hard time: The way is the goal - accept it as part of the challenge of life and try to enjoy it. Don't compare it to death)

- Would be interesting to hear about this treatment... Is this supposed to work on adults? Well, I assume this NDA doesn't expire that quickly... ;-)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: pangeh on May 15, 2010, 07:10:43 PM
I voted yes. 

The height would serve a much better quality of life.  I imagined a perfect height would be like living in
a different world where everyone treats you differently. 
Still 5 years is a long time to be missing out in life, but it's better than
living that last 5 years as unhappy old man. 

Interesting to see how much people are willing to give up for height.  Lucky are those who was born
with the gene pool. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: VisionQuest on May 25, 2010, 10:55:09 PM
A pretty easy yes for me and I'm going to tell you why.

- I'm all about quality vs quantity.   Quality of life is far more important than how long you live.   What makes life most satisfying is not money or anything like that, but what you do and how you feel in the end.   I'm not saying that one can't live a happy and furfilling life short, but I'm going to give you reasons why the perfect ideal height of yourself might be worth that 5 years.

- Confidence; Never feeling like height is holding you back from doing something
- The probable increase of sexual partners  ;)
- Instant respect from peers
- Never being discriminated against for being short and never having your height as a     disadvantage cross your mind again
- Better fit into any clothes you decide to wear
- < Insert any other reason that brought you to this site and why you wish to be taller >

*Random Thoughts*
- In the end it all comes down to confidence.   I believe this is the greatest reason people decide to undergo LL.   To have this confidence in themself and the way other people view and treat them.   Imagine if Obama was 5'3 would we still view him the same way?  It's no doubt that people will take shots at his height and this would hurt his confidence to some degree.
- Height shouldn't matter and unfortunately it does.   I believe the reason it does is because of women.   Imagine if women preferred shorter men; then what would probably occur is men would try to become shorter.   Perhaps there would be a MMS forum.   Shorter people would be all over the media and shorter men would have more respect among their peers because everyone understands that shorter men have a higher social status with women. 
Now if height truly didn't matter to women then I firmly believe height wouldn't matter in society.   In public it would be perfectly normal to see couples in which the women was taller.   Height in acting/modeling for both sexes would come in all shapes and sizes and hieght would be the last thing on anybody's mind.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: plastikman on May 26, 2010, 02:50:46 PM
Well,you know what they say:One year of love is better than a life time alone... :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: nelson7550 on May 28, 2010, 06:33:46 PM
I agree with most people here, in that quality is better than quantity.  Having a long life, and  being held back by your height is a lot worse than having the ideal height while losing  5 years of your life.  I think it is definitely worth the cost. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: anonymous coward on August 12, 2010, 05:22:31 PM
5 years is no biggy, as long as the rest of my life is healthy. Smoking, junk food,lack of exercise, would also shorten life expectancy. So I'd just add a bit more healthy habits than the average person and make up for those 5 years.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Auir on December 24, 2010, 01:42:55 PM
I would definitely trade 5 years!
If only this was true though  :(


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: teewoods on January 13, 2011, 05:39:19 AM
Quote from: MMT Admin link=topic=2985. msg32703#msg32703 date=1259122312
Why did the people who voted no vote no? Share your thoughts, please!

Any of you guys ever met a tall man dying of cancer? Offer him 5 extra years and the loss of 12cm he would jump at it with all this life! Many here are young or at best middle aged with no kids and I can tell judging from the response and quality of the posts.  Wait till you have a family and people who rely on you.  The flaw in many peoples thinking is that they assume you are going to live to ripe old age.  Wrong! You could be gone by  50, are you telling me you would rather be gone at 45 and have your ideal height than 50 and not your ideal height? You tell me you would rather leave your loved ones much earlier than it should be because you wanted your ideal height? Forget the pain and anguish they would go through.   I'd  rather be short or look like a freak with bad proportions and be with my family than leave them 5years sooner.  I have seen how precious life can be from my years at the front line in Iraq/Afghanistan, how people with legs blown off happy just to be alive.  Comrades disfigured with burnt faces in wheel chairs just happy to make it home and be with their loved ones.  The irony would be that in many years to come some of you who said I don't care about 5 years would come to realise how wrong you were.  Lets just hope you have not tempted faith.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TallManComing on January 15, 2011, 01:00:23 PM
Any of you guys ever met a tall man dying of cancer? Offer him 5 extra years and the loss of 12cm he would jump at it with all this life! Many here are young or at best middle aged with no kids and I can tell judging from the response and quality of the posts.  Wait till you have a family and people who rely on you.  The flaw in many peoples thinking is that they assume you are going to live to ripe old age.  Wrong! You could be gone by  50, are you telling me you would rather be gone at 45 and have your ideal height than 50 and not your ideal height? You tell me you would rather leave your loved ones much earlier than it should be because you wanted your ideal height? Forget the pain and anguish they would go through.   I'd  rather be short or look like a freak with bad proportions and be with my family than leave them 5years sooner.  I have seen how precious life can be from my years at the front line in Iraq/Afghanistan, how people with legs blown off happy just to be alive.  Comrades disfigured with burnt faces in wheel chairs just happy to make it home and be with their loved ones.  The irony would be that in many years to come some of you who said I don't care about 5 years would come to realise how wrong you were.  Lets just hope you have not tempted faith.


I agree. Life is precious.

Many on this forum have never had to face their own mortality. Death. It's a terrifying experience...

I would much rather just do LL and deal with some pain and lack of mobility than take a magic pill and lose 5 years of life.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ibanato on January 16, 2011, 08:31:48 AM
Yes, why not.  It's the quality and not the quantity, anyway.  If you've been a good person before,  and you're trading 5 years, maybe it's already a life worth living.  I mean, I know that life's precious and there are people who die in other war-torn places, but you're doing it for your personal happiness, anyway, and I think it will really help make things much better after you do some lengthening.  Just imagine doing the things you didn't get to do before.  That's a life worth living, even if it's cut short. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TallManComing on January 16, 2011, 08:09:34 PM
Yes, why not.  It's the quality and not the quantity, anyway.  If you've been a good person before,  and you're trading 5 years, maybe it's already a life worth living.  I mean, I know that life's precious and there are people who die in other war-torn places, but you're doing it for your personal happiness, anyway, and I think it will really help make things much better after you do some lengthening.  Just imagine doing the things you didn't get to do before.  That's a life worth living, even if it's cut short. 

You better hope you never get cancer. I assure you... you will take back those words.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ibanato on January 17, 2011, 05:57:58 AM
Quote from: TallManComing link=topic=2985. msg41292#msg41292 date=1295208574
You better hope you never get cancer.  I assure you. . .  you will take back those words.

It's not that I'm downplaying cancer.  What's offensive with what I said? I know how tough life can be but what I'm saying is you're doing it for your personal happiness.  Everything has risks, even cosmetic surgeries, but what you're doing is fighting for what you want - I mean, there are no guarantees in life, even if you live 90 years old or 100 - so? Does that mean you have a more meaningful life than others? It's how
you became a good person to others, not how long you lived your life. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Amir on January 17, 2011, 10:07:18 AM
definitly YES.  .  .  .  id rather live the next 55 years happy then live the next 60 years like this.  id give up 10 years even


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TallManComing on January 17, 2011, 04:46:40 PM
I'm seeing my oncologist today.

Like I said, you better hope you never get cancer. You do realize that cancer is the number 1 killer for people under 65... You will take back your words.

Now I know there are risks to LL, there are risk to any surgery with general anesthesia. However, it is a very low risk and one is much more likely to die in a car accident, so I am willing to take those risks.

But to trade 5 years?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: shark440 on January 17, 2011, 07:01:41 PM
@TallManComing - I understand you think 5 years is to much but think of it this way... It's about perfect height, not about adding another 6-7 cm. That means as a man you can choose to be 6' 6'1 or whatever, with perfect proportions. For the sake of the argument, let's take a case similar to yours.. If you are 5'5' and are willing to go thorough LL, if you want to end up with an average height, somewhere in between 5'9-5'10, you will have to do 2 surgeries to gain 4"-5". That takes you how much time? 1yr and a half, maybe even 2 years if you're a bit unlucky and have complications? And at the end you might still look a bit out of proportion. But this is only the time spent with recovery. How much money do you have to spend for 2 surgeries? How much time do you have to work for them? How many years will you have to work your butt off and make substantial sacrifices? And beside this, how much time do you spend on this forum and on the net researching about LL? How many hours and days? And this is only time that you can point out, it doesn't even involve the time you think about it, you daydream, you get ridiculed, discriminated, rejected by the opposite sex etc.... I think that you might end up giving a lot more then 5 years, and all this to be average not your desired perfect height.

I do feel what you're saying and believe me I do treasure every moment in life, and I can only imagine how hard it must feel to have to go from an early age, but I also do believe that life it's about quality not quantity. I'll take only 5 years of living as a rock star over a life time living alone on top of the mountains in a heart beat.

I think the answer to the question in case is as personal as it can get and it's definitely wrong to judge or disconsider others answers because of that.

shark


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TallManComing on January 17, 2011, 09:39:31 PM
@TallManComing - I understand you think 5 years is to much but think of it this way... It's about perfect height, not about adding another 6-7 cm. That means as a man you can choose to be 6' 6'1 or whatever, with perfect proportions. For the sake of the argument, let's take a case similar to yours.. If you are 5'5' and are willing to go thorough LL, if you want to end up with an average height, somewhere in between 5'9-5'10, you will have to do 2 surgeries to gain 4"-5". That takes you how much time? 1yr and a half, maybe even 2 years if you're a bit unlucky and have complications? And at the end you might still look a bit out of proportion. But this is only the time spent with recovery. How much money do you have to spend for 2 surgeries? How much time do you have to work for them? How many years will you have to work your butt off and make substantial sacrifices? And beside this, how much time do you spend on this forum and on the net researching about LL? How many hours and days? And this is only time that you can point out, it doesn't even involve the time you think about it, you daydream, you get ridiculed, discriminated, rejected by the opposite sex etc.... I think that you might end up giving a lot more then 5 years, and all this to be average not your desired perfect height.

I do feel what you're saying and believe me I do treasure every moment in life, and I can only imagine how hard it must feel to have to go from an early age, but I also do believe that life it's about quality not quantity. I'll take only 5 years of living as a rock star over a life time living alone on top of the mountains in a heart beat.

I think the answer to the question in case is as personal as it can get and it's definitely wrong to judge or disconsider others answers because of that.

shark


Even if I did do 2 surgeries, I would still be alive, just at a reduced quality of life. And as for saving money, that's passing on drinks and other money wasting activities. I'm still alive.

Unless you've had to face your mortality, you don't know what you're talking about.

Imagine if a doctor told you, you only had 6 months to live. You would do anything for 5 extra years of life, I assure you.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: shark440 on January 17, 2011, 11:03:06 PM
Quote
And as for saving money, that's passing on drinks and other money wasting activities.

Saving thousands of euros by passing on drinks? Man, talk about heavy drinking. I would definitely go to parties with you :D

Quote
Imagine if a doctor told you, you only had 6 months to live. You would do anything for 5 extra years of life, I assure you.

I'm more of the type that would make the best out of those 6 months rather then waste them on experimental procedures.
But I do believe it's a great thing that you value your life that way. All the best.

shark


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TallManComing on January 18, 2011, 03:45:26 AM
Now you're talking moronic stuff. I take my goal of LL seriously and keep a monthly and yearly budget. For people like you, LL will be a dream.

You must be young since you take life so lightly... Again you're talking about things of which you have no clue.

When you're a little older, you'll understand.

If a doctor told you that you had 6 months to live, would you choose 10cm of complication free LL or 5 years of life.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Amir on January 18, 2011, 06:26:40 AM
Yes if a doctor told me i had 10 month to live then id do anything for those 5 years. But im not in that situation, my situation atm is living this size, and it makes life very hard to enjoy, therefor id rather live a enjoyfull life now and die 5 years earlier once im old. You only get to live once bro, and you gotta enjoy it, i dont enjoy this lifestyle so id rather give up 7% of it and have the remaining be enjoyful.
but thats my point of view, no mean to discriminate against yours.
Peace


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: shark440 on January 18, 2011, 12:04:39 PM
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I take my goal of LL seriously and keep a monthly and yearly budget.
I don't remember questioning your determination but if I did, by all means, pardon my french. :)

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For people like you, LL will be a dream.
You must be young since you take life so lightly... Again you're talking about things of which you have no clue.
When you're a little older, you'll understand.

yes, "unfortunately" I am still young enough to dislike condescending arguments and not to discredit people whom i know nothing about.


I do wish you all the best though,
shark


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TallManComing on January 18, 2011, 01:26:30 PM
Yes if a doctor told me i had 10 month to live then id do anything for those 5 years. But im not in that situation, my situation atm is living this size, and it makes life very hard to enjoy, therefor id rather live a enjoyfull life now and die 5 years earlier once im old. You only get to live once bro, and you gotta enjoy it, i dont enjoy this lifestyle so id rather give up 7% of it and have the remaining be enjoyful.
but thats my point of view, no mean to discriminate against yours.
Peace

Hey I'm planning on getting LL in 2012, so I know how you feel about this lifestyle. Being short sucks, and being a short man is a curse. My life will improve greatly once I achieve my new height.

However, I would never give away 5 years of my life.



Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: jack0life on January 19, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
It all depends on how long you live to.
If you knew you would live to 90, I think everyone would trade the last 5 yrs for the perfect height.
But if you only live to 50, then hell NO.
Since noone knows how long we will live to, its a moot point.
So since I have no clue how long I will live to, then HELL NO I'm not giving up 5 yrs of my life.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Sweden on January 22, 2011, 06:51:44 PM
No.

Being able to look back and had done LL while sitting at ure retireinghome you probably would have a remarkable story to tell.

I can understand those that are 160 or less maybe. But if I should offer 5y of my life it should be about a couple of olympic goldmedals or something like that. Maybe the chance of beeing a trillionare.

This year I will get my story to tell at the retirementhome   :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ShortMan655 on February 20, 2011, 05:01:28 PM
Asking people who are considering LL this question almost makes it seem like a rhetorical question.

Would I give up 5 years to be average height?  (Much less perfect which would obviously be slightly  taller)

In a heartbeat.   From what I hear about this procedure it sounds like a lot of men are at least willing to give up 1 year minimum and several thousand dollars to be 2"-3" taller.   To be what I would consider the perfect height this is a no brainer.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Shortlegs on August 16, 2011, 03:33:18 AM
I voted no because I will have LL duh lol just kidding =)) in my opinion, 5 years is too much I would have trade it 2 years for 8cm. how about that :D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: josh87 on October 24, 2011, 06:17:52 PM
YES!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Sketch504 on October 25, 2011, 01:44:33 AM
In a heartbeat!  ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: andrewshizzles on October 26, 2011, 07:27:31 PM
5 years of old age = OK
5 years now? = Naahhhhh...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 5f6 on January 04, 2012, 03:32:15 PM
No thank you! 5 years?! Goodness me no way! They might be happy for a short period of time but when they reach/if they reach 60-70 then they will be regretting it...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Without Judgment on January 04, 2012, 03:40:11 PM
Yes.

Quality > Quantity


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: dgdts on January 04, 2012, 03:49:16 PM
that depends, do i lose the last 5 years of my life, or do i prematurely age 5 years right now?



Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on January 05, 2012, 01:05:16 AM
No, I have two daughters and I want to be around for them as long as I can.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on January 05, 2012, 02:52:27 PM
pf... i'm 20 now, so if i have to lose the next five years maybe no... but if i can trade with my last five years... of course yes!!!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: jwow on January 06, 2012, 08:49:43 PM
This is a bit extreme, everyone who said yes will probably regret a great deal when they are older.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dryani on February 08, 2012, 08:35:12 AM
I'd say yes, because the way medical technology is advancing, I (26y/o atm) will live at least 5 years longer due to future advances.  It would be a freebie :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dryani on February 08, 2012, 08:37:27 AM
But in the spirit of the poll I'd have to say yes - if I would be reduced from living to 80 to living to 75, I'd do it in a second. For it not to make sense, one would have to admit that being the perfect height would have to improve your quality of life by less than 8% - a fact that would disqualify LL in any logical person's mind.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: shoryuken on February 25, 2012, 05:09:03 AM
absolutely......as ive said before ive wasted so much time just from being insecure


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: pattymatty on February 28, 2012, 02:28:39 AM
Am I willing to lose five years of my life to be my perfect height? Yes, of course.  Quality over quantity.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: kneehowguys on March 22, 2012, 06:52:24 PM
helllya baby I would trade 5 years for 5 inches.

My perspective is different though. Grandfather lived to his 90s.

My older brother might not live to be half that because of his extreme obesity (but he's 1 inch taller than me...!)

My uncle died somewhere in between there because of lung cancer and was a smoker but did not come close to my grandfather.

5 years? People screw over their lifespan with lifestyle choices so easily. Was the extra food worth it? Was smoking worth it? Who knows.

But I bet being 5 inches taller would be worth it.

Also I am a narcissist. And young. Feels like I'm gonna live foreever.



Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on March 22, 2012, 08:27:04 PM
Well when you take into account limb lengthening will take a few years to recover then that's actually 3 years off your life.

I think that overall quality is better than quantity.

So I would probably vote yes.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Quixotic on March 22, 2012, 08:40:10 PM
Considering I would live to be roughly 85, the last 35 years would be pretty pointless anyway.  Golf Golf Golf.  Grandchildren Grandchildren Grandchildren.  Read Read Read. Sleep Sleep Sleep.  Now rinse and repeat.  There.  That's 35 years of your life.  Right there.  And it's utterly, utterly pointless and rather depressing.  There is no point living past 60 besides your kids, and there kids. 



Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: josh87 on March 22, 2012, 09:13:40 PM
I would trade in 10 years in a heartbeat.  Think of me right now as being dead-alive;  Height is the epitome of the alpha male (when it comes to looks).


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on March 22, 2012, 10:18:54 PM
Okay then yes if I could trade the sucky years. No, I'd rather go through the preparation, pay, and pain of LL and save my years.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Apotheosis on March 22, 2012, 10:24:39 PM
I would never trade 5 years of my life to be the perfect height. I have traded four total weeks of being out of town, one year of being on crutches, and another six months of being uncomfortable and healing to be the perfect height. But the whole time I have been alive and able to enjoying a lot of living most of the time. Yes there were some bad days where I was in pain or couldn't sleep, but the sacrifice has been far less than the rewards. :)

Apotheosis


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on March 22, 2012, 11:14:38 PM
Actually I would have to agree with Apotheosis. At least while lengthening you are still alive and able to live and talk and chat with people.

Overall, I would just go with Limb Lengthening.

I want to live for as long as possible, hopefully when we die we go somewhere to but given that I am an Atheist, I really am not to sure about that.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on March 23, 2012, 01:20:08 AM
MyRedemption123 - I hear ya buddy! If we truly only get one shot at this thing called life then I want to live it to the fullest! For me, LL is a part of doing just that.  ;)

Furthermore, I have two daughters and I want to be around for them as long as possible!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Shortlegs on March 23, 2012, 04:03:00 AM
Imagine that we all go to heaven in the after life, and you will lose your new heights, Lol! Hopefully they have LL in the heaven too =))


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on March 23, 2012, 07:36:20 AM
If that's the case I'll need "wing lengthening"  ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on March 23, 2012, 08:05:43 AM
to save for ll takes 2 years(sometimes more)(this involves the time period to get a job that earns decent money), during this period you wont have much of a life

to get ll 2 times with a 1 year gap and being bedriden or using a walker or being in a forein country for the entire duration it would take 1.5-2 years, you wont have much of a life during this time.

ll basically is already a sacrifice of the quality of your life if not your entire life for a good 3-5 year period and it is the years taken from your prime.

so basically i would be suprised if anyone answers no to this question because if you get ll, you litterally have to sacrifice the years to be taller.
the number 1 reason people say they cant get ll is because of time and money(money takes time) therefore it can be reduced to just TIME!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: gnx547 on March 25, 2012, 05:30:28 PM

I wish I was a  few inches taller


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: llanivic13 on March 25, 2012, 06:02:46 PM
Quote from: MMT Admin link=topic=2985. msg32698#msg32698 date=1259112137
Greetings, Height Seekers Anonymous!

I hope that you are all well.  Welcome to an interesting twist on some of our earlier discussions. . .

Imagine this: Some doctors have developed a pain-free, 100% reliable way of making you taller by growing your body all over so that you can reach your perfect height with no complications, proportions problems or risks.

However, there is one major downside - it will take five (5) years off your life because it will have accelerated your body's regrowth cycles to the point that the average person will live 7. 2% less than they would have, because your body will age 7. 2% faster - This equates to roughly five years off the life expectancy for the average person person in the developed world.

Would you do it? Vote, but please also tell us why you have chosen the option that you have, and whether or not you would encourage further research by this team of doctors.

Can't wait to see how people react to this one!  ;D

Cheers, MMT
Well put it this way being unhappy for a whole bunch of years. . . . . . because at 16 thats it the lottery that is genetics in repect to height is over. . . . . . . will equate to more than 5 years being miserable in a life span. . . . . . . so yes. . . . and they have to take it away once you get past 75. . . if you make it that far.

 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on March 26, 2012, 07:06:21 AM
i would do it, even 10 years perhaps... more than 10 years id have to really think about it though lol.

reason......... quality of life at perfect height will make the other 70 years of your life 10 times better.

everything from how rich you are how much fun you have how happy or depressed you get, how much pain your in, and most important...... the girl you get to f#k every night will be 10 times hotter lol

so yes...........even if it was just to be hot enough to get any girl i want............ then hell yea even 10 years i would sacrifice.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on March 26, 2012, 09:06:34 AM
Imagine that we all go to heaven in the after life, and you will lose your new heights, Lol! Hopefully they have LL in the heaven too =))
hahaha i hope so!  :D
but if we are small again in heaven, them it's not a heaven  ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on March 26, 2012, 09:10:12 AM
Spaniard- GREAT POINT!!! ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on March 26, 2012, 09:24:35 AM
If there really was a heaven I would ask God why he made me short in the first place!  :-X

What if God was like 5'2? Lol

Maybe that's why he makes some people short.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on March 26, 2012, 09:30:53 AM
If there really was a heaven I would ask God why he made me short in the first place!  :-X

What if God was like 5'2? Lol

Maybe that's why he makes some people short.

There was an episode of Family Guy where Jesus appeared but was really short so the people didn't believe he was who he said he was. Can you say HEIGHTISM?

I tend to agree with you, if there is a G-d why make short people or those with dwarfism, birth defects etc. Granted, I cannot compare my height to what those people go through but the question remains why? LOL


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on March 26, 2012, 09:49:28 AM
There was an episode of Family Guy where Jesus appeared but was really short so the people didn't believe he was who he said he was. Can you say HEIGHTISM?
really? wow, i have to find that episode


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on March 26, 2012, 09:53:06 AM
Exactly Dookieman!

I mean, I don't see why God will make some people short, some tall, some born with dwarfism or serious diseases! There is no freakin' intelligent design anywhere! There is a bunch of things that could have been designed better!

Which is why I am an Atheist. Just can't believe somebody is controlling what happens here on earth. 90% of animal species that have ever existed are now extinct. There are miscarriages every day and people born with cancer and extreme cases of short stature like dwarfism. I still don't rule out a deistic God but I mean there is still no evidence for that even. Maybe I am just a skeptic, but I tend to analyze things very carefully and I think this is partially why I notice the amount of heightism that exists in society today.

Although I think people tend to discriminate against people for other irrational reasons. For example because a girl is fat or ugly. So going around claiming fatism or ugli-ism would be sort of similar to heightism. And all in all I understand that women's personal preference can be whatever they want. I myself tend to lean towards petite attractive girls.

The moral of this story is it is easier to change yourself than change other people's perspectives about an issue. Although when I get taller I am not going to be as shallow as I used to be and I will be more grateful for being tall. I think the experience will help me to grow as a person as well as growing literally. lol


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: craig49 on March 26, 2012, 10:17:39 AM
the earth is cursed, simple as that.  How else can you explain China, India, most parts of Africa, and east Europe and all the other poor places on earth.

Depression and frustration is widespread throughout the world as is a host of other terrible things.  Relationships in the form of marriage are virtually a joke with divorce and unhappiness rampant. 

Very few humans in my opinion are really "happy" in my opinion. 

If all you have to worry about is your height, then you are in pretty good shape in my opinion.  You can alter that through LL and live your life.  For me personally, I would really hate to be poor or live in a place with severe limitations on my life.  Even my students, despite having lots of $$ are told who they have to marry and what they have do and where they have to work. 

Don't think for a moment that God made everything perfect, because he didn't, the earth is cursed.  Would you rather be 6'1 and born in Togo or Bangladesh or your current height with the options in life you have?  Yeah.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on March 26, 2012, 12:04:25 PM
Craig 49 and Redemption - I agree with you two. I'm an American currently living in S.E. Asia and can really see the difference between the haves and have nots. Even worse is when I see deformed people who are too poor to get medical help. This world can be cruel. I thank my luck stars being short is all I have to worry about because that is correctable.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: PerfectBreak on March 26, 2012, 05:31:34 PM
Remember we may also be trading our last years off along with saving up + going trough and recovering from surgery. Who really knows the long term consequences?
I'm no expert but isn't growing splitting/multiplication of cells? I read that people who grow a lot naturally (tall, big people) are more likely to get cancer - we "grow" ourselves with LL.
Also, what will happen to our bones when we get old? What about our blood vessels/vains are they weakened from all this stretching or will they repair themselves over the years? Will they pop when we turn 60? ;)
And then there's all those conditions related to the tendons... I have read a couple here on MMT, dont remember the names...

This is serious ****, but on the other hand we ARE going to die from SOMETHING.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on March 26, 2012, 11:39:17 PM
Actually after breaking your bone there is a chance that it will become stronger.

Other than that there is no standard for the long term risks of limb lengthening because there is no standard health for everybody.

Some people might heal 100% and get conditions not related to limb lengthening.

Too many variables to take into account.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: GROWtallORdieTRYING on March 28, 2012, 02:10:34 PM
bones recover 100% from a medical standpiont. ligaments is another story.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Jimbo Jones on April 05, 2012, 11:55:44 PM
Quote from: Magus link=topic=2985. msg32701#msg32701 date=1259115595
It's a very disturbing scenario, but I believe I would go through with it.   A 6-cm height increase would position me a bit above a very good portion of the taller men I see on the streets, and this is very much an issue for me.   I've read the average height of young men in Brazil is 1.  75m nowadays, and it makes sense to me, given my observations.   If I could be some 15 cm taller while keeping proportions, I'd be very satisfied.   The hypothetical decision of giving up 5 years of my life is deeply disturbing though.  

PS: In case you wonder, I 'think' I'm 1.77m, after a number of self-measurements without wearing shoes.   I'm not shorter than 1.76m for sure.   I intend to have a consultation with Dr. Renato Slomka in Porto Alegre, Brazil after I'm done with my current predicament in life (master's.  .  .  ), to help decide if it makes sense to go through the treatment over here - otherwise I like the Prof.   Xia prospect (more economically sound than going with Dr.   Betz for sure, and I haven't taken the time to analyze other possibilities yet).   In any case, money is blocking me nowadays, and it will be at least a few years before I can take the plunge.   Meanwhile I go to the gym 4-5 days a week in an attempt to have a body I may find otherwise good.   I'm 26 and have graduated in Computer Science, BTW.

You're 1. 76 already.  What the **** is your problem, and why the **** you're on this forum?
PS#2: I don't think making this introduction post on this thread was the best move, but I got in the spirit.   o_o'


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Jimbo Jones on April 06, 2012, 12:09:52 AM
Quote from: Dookieman link=topic=2985. msg54814#msg54814 date=1332754253
There was an episode of Family Guy where Jesus appeared but was really short so the people didn't believe he was who he said he was.  Can you say HEIGHTISM?

I tend to agree with you, if there is a G-d why make short people or those with dwarfism, birth defects etc.  Granted, I cannot compare my height to what those people go through but the question remains why? LOL

I saw that particular FG episode as well, made me an atheist :)  No, seriously, I like FG, but after all it's just one of those shows you can enjoy the most if you aint a) jewish b) disabled c) female.  (Well, its always easy to feel superior if you're not a part of the afflicted group).  Btw.  I didn't want to post d) a short male, because I havent found yet that many FG episodes ripping on short guys.  I know of some, but wtf. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Jimbo Jones on April 06, 2012, 12:52:42 AM
Quote from: craig49 link=topic=2985. msg54821#msg54821 date=1332757059
the earth is cursed, simple as that.   How else can you explain China, India, most parts of Africa, and east Europe and all the other poor places on earth.

Depression and frustration is widespread throughout the world as is a host of other terrible things.   Relationships in the form of marriage are virtually a joke with divorce and unhappiness rampant.  

Very few humans in my opinion are really "happy" in my opinion.  

If all you have to worry about is your height, then you are in pretty good shape in my opinion.   You can alter that through LL and live your life.   For me personally, I would really hate to be poor or live in a place with severe limitations on my life.   Even my students, despite having lots of $$ are told who they have to marry and what they have do and where they have to work.  

Don't think for a moment that God made everything perfect, because he didn't, the earth is cursed.   Would you rather be 6'1 and born in Togo or Bangladesh or your current height with the options in life you have?  Yeah.


Dude, you're right.  I have struggled with that issue for quite some time now.  Sure, I'm lucky to live in Europe, neither having to fear any disease that will end my life nor having to worry whether I'm going to be hungry the next day.  Still, there'll be lots of people here who'd prefer living a f*****-up life in africa or elsewhere if only they had the right female counterpart to share it with.  I guess it's time and again all about girls and love.  Of course, -I guess!- for the most people in here, it's all about Hedonism (HOW MANY CHICKS COULD I HAVE LAID IF ONLY I COULD HAVE BEEN 6 FEET AND OVER), but. . .  Argh, screw that!! I'm happy to live in Europe, and I'm happy not to be disabled or being tied to a wheelchair, and I'm happy not to be sitting on a table drooling over my memory game in a mental institution.  I think most of the people here complaining already had good relationships.  I guess the problem is, most of us short guys seek the internet to find proof on why it sucks to be a short guy.  Certainly, there may be lots of proof on women's magazine blogs or whatever, but there's always a difference between cyperspace and reality.  Shure, if you look up the internet, lots of facts pop up to prove that it sucks to be short.  But on the other hand, I'm sure everyone else in here knows at least one short womanizer who is real, and not made up just to make ourselves feel better.  I for one know about several 5'5 (or less) guys, that had way more girls than I did.  Maybe it's just about trying to build up some pride.  And what's so wrong about developing pride? Are we ashamed, because it may sound like "gay pride", or "handicapped pride", ore anything else we don't wanna deal with?

Though I believe we've all had our relationships, sometimes in our western


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Jimbo Jones on April 06, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Quote from: Kidrobot link=topic=2985. msg32722#msg32722 date=1259173081
Okay, I'm going to really restrain myself from offending anyone, but it is clear to me from the YES responses that either you people have not taken the time to really self-reflect on yourself and life and the meaning of this question, or else there are a lot of people who need some SERIOUS psychiatric help.

FIrst, it is pretty clear to me that some of you need help which has nothing to do with your height.  I don't want to single anyone out but there's a lot of body dysmorphia, height neurosis and self-hatred demonstrated by many of you--a lot of the problems in life some of you have will NOT be solved through LL, your problems run much deeper.  

Second, MMT, this whole 5 years question is extremely childish and stupid.  For someone who is always proclaiming their sophistication and intelligence --I'm sorry, but it's rather immature.  It's like one of those games adolescent boys play such as: would you do X to sleep with a supermodel?

First of all, do any of you who answered "yes" plan on being parents? Have any of you ever lost parents, a child or loved ones? How's this question: what would you give to have them around for 5 more years? What's your answer jackass?

And Medstudent, I seriously hope you're not a real medstudent(God save your future patients) because your comment about losing 2 years of your life because you're undergoing LL is ridiculous! Okay, so you may not be able to walk, but you're still alive! You can still read books, enjoy art, movies, music, food, the company of your friends and loved ones, mastering all kinds of new skills --I guess people in wheel chairs might as well just be dead because they have limited mobility all their lives.  

So MMT, I'll answer your question about why I answered NO.  Yes, height is important, yes it can make a personal difference in how you feel about yourself --but if you're willing to lose five years of your life over this then it means it has become some kind of holy grail, all consuming obsession that you think will suddenly solve all of your problems --guys it will not--and it also means that you are not paying attention to all the wonderful things life does have to offer.  This height obsession is preventing you from seeing things clearly.  And by the way, the whole question is vague: lose 5 years? Which 5 years? At the tailend of your life? During you're twenties?

MMT, I think your question was indeed revealing after all --some of you have a mental sickness.

Right on, bro! I don't know why I volunteered to shorten 5 years of my life in this poll, must have come out of desperation.  But thanks again, nice post!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on April 06, 2012, 11:21:47 AM
I saw that particular FG episode as well, made me an atheist :)  No, seriously, I like FG, but after all it's just one of those shows you can enjoy the most if you aint a) jewish b) disabled c) female.  (Well, its always easy to feel superior if you're not a part of the afflicted group).  Btw.  I didn't want to post d) a short male, because I havent found yet that many FG episodes ripping on short guys.  I know of some, but wtf. 

Yes FG is a great show if you don't take life too seriously. I am ethnically mixed father Jewish/black mom Chinese/Samoan so I could get offended at every episode I watch. I don't of course and just enjoy the sarcasm and humor. However the Jesus being short episode kind of pissed me off. I was pissed how the people didn't believe him just because of his height. I guess FG was trying to expose heightism on the sly.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on April 25, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
Yes FG is a great show if you don't take life too seriously. I am ethnically mixed father Jewish/black mom Chinese/Samoan so I could get offended at every episode I watch. I don't of course and just enjoy the sarcasm and humor. However the Jesus being short episode kind of pissed me off. I was pissed how the people didn't believe him just because of his height. I guess FG was trying to expose heightism on the sly.


Wow Dook, you can definitely be offended at just about every single episode.... it's good that you don't though..... it shows maturity and intelligence to be slow to take offense.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on April 25, 2012, 11:05:16 PM

Wow Dook, you can definitely be offended at just about every single episode.... it's good that you don't though..... it shows maturity and intelligence to be slow to take offense.

Thanks 6ftby2014-I really think people need to chill out and just enjoy life. Family Guy is an equal opportunity offender and I love it! Giggity Giggity Goo!  :P


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: callawaycoolctu on May 02, 2012, 12:18:07 AM
I would totally trade 5 years of my life for height increase.   It wouldn't be directly related to height increase but there is a sport I want to play professionally or close to professionally but I am to small to play.  I guess technically I'm not to small to play but I would def be in the top 1 percent shortest and I really want to play


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on May 02, 2012, 12:28:09 AM
I would totally trade 5 years of my life for height increase.   It wouldn't be directly related to height increase but there is a sport I want to play professionally or close to professionally but I am to small to play.  I guess technically I'm not to small to play but I would def be in the top 1 percent shortest and I really want to play
I'm very curious, what do you want to play?  :)
good luck!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: callawaycoolctu on May 02, 2012, 03:51:01 AM
I would want to play baseball.   I know most people would say why would you have to be tall or at least some where close to six feet to play and I will tell you why.   There are ability reasons that being taller will help, theres a reason almost all power hitters are big but mostly it has to do with scouts.   I tried out for a team and I was sure that I was going to make it but I didn't and I didn't know why.  Then a scout came up to me to ask why I looked so mad.   I explained what I felt and he agreed that he thought I was better than about half of the players that made the team but the fact that I wasn't 6'1 or close to it makes it easy for people to over look you.   He said yeah there has been short players to make it but most short players get over looked and he said maybe I should work hard in school and use my brain instead and I hate that answer.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on May 02, 2012, 08:58:06 AM
I would want to play baseball.   I know most people would say why would you have to be tall or at least some where close to six feet to play and I will tell you why.   There are ability reasons that being taller will help, theres a reason almost all power hitters are big but mostly it has to do with scouts.   I tried out for a team and I was sure that I was going to make it but I didn't and I didn't know why.  Then a scout came up to me to ask why I looked so mad.   I explained what I felt and he agreed that he thought I was better than about half of the players that made the team but the fact that I wasn't 6'1 or close to it makes it easy for people to over look you.   He said yeah there has been short players to make it but most short players get over looked and he said maybe I should work hard in school and use my brain instead and I hate that answer.

That was a shitty experience for sure. I had similar stuff happen to me when I played college Football.

So what is your answer to the question? Would you trade the years for height?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: callawaycoolctu on May 02, 2012, 02:11:32 PM
Quote from: Dookieman link=topic=2985. msg57748#msg57748 date=1335949086
That was a shitty experience for sure.  I had similar stuff happen to me when I played college Football. 

So what is your answer to the question? Would you trade the years for height?


I would totally trade years for height


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on May 02, 2012, 03:25:12 PM
Well in essence, you are trading years for height in a sense.... You will lose time off your life being handicapped during the distraction phase and then again in the recovery phase where you will not be able to do the things that you used to do. You have to be willing to kinda give up a year or so in order to be taller......


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: RDenmark on May 02, 2012, 04:11:32 PM
Well in essence, you are trading years for height in a sense.... You will lose time off your life being handicapped during the distraction phase and then again in the recovery phase where you will not be able to do the things that you used to do. You have to be willing to kinda give up a year or so in order to be taller......

But you're still breathing and alive! ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on May 02, 2012, 04:18:59 PM
I wouldn't trade 5 years of for my perfect height. You can still do a lot while going through lengthening, it isn't the same as having 5 years taken of your life. I mean, you can read, converse with people, learn a new language, watch TV, play video games, you can still enjoy life just like many other people who are wheel chair bound for the rest of their lives can do. You are basically saying these people who are permanently disabled can do nothing worthwhile.

No I would not do it. I value my limited time I do have on this planet and I will treasure every moment of that even if I am wheel chair bound I will make the best of it.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: callawaycoolctu on May 02, 2012, 04:50:24 PM
well to put it in better perspective, if I was only going to live till 30 then no I probably would not sacrifice 5 years of my life but if I was going to live anything past 50 or lets say for example life expectancy of 75 then hell yeah I would.   I don't really need those years as an old man.   I take the benefits of perfect height over 5 years of lost life during old age.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on May 02, 2012, 04:55:48 PM
  8) If I was going to live another 10 years, I would still do it...... I would want my last 10 years to be as good as possible..... I would be handicapped and recovering for 1 year and have 9 years to live it up!!! ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on May 02, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
6ftby2014 - So you're opting for better quality of life! I get that!  :o


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on May 02, 2012, 10:24:54 PM
url]http://paleyinstitute.org/site-content/videos/learning-channel-amazing-stories.flv[/url]

To put it in perspective for some people this kid was born with dwarfism and went from 3'11 to 4'11 and spent 4 years of his life lengthening his femurs, tibiae and upper arms just to be 11 inches below average height instead of about 2 feet. Not to mention he used the old version of the external fixators judging by how old the video looks.

Most of us will be able to use an internal method and take off about a year and a half for two surgeries.

I am just pointing out that you shouldn't dwell on the time spent doing LL to get taller when you could have it much worse to begin with.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Redemption on May 02, 2012, 10:26:32 PM
FIXED LINK

http://paleyinstitute.org/?q=news-appearances (http://paleyinstitute.org/?q=news-appearances)

Click on the one that says ,"Learning Channel Amazing Stories"

It is kind of old but still insightful. There are also other videos you are free too watch.

All on Dr. Paley's website.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Asher86 on May 02, 2012, 10:51:26 PM
Quote from: 6ftby2014 link=topic=2985. msg57788#msg57788 date=1335977748
  8) If I was going to live another 10 years, I would still do it. . . . . .  I would want my last 10 years to be as good as possible. . . . .  I would be handicapped and recovering for 1 year and have 9 years to live it up!!! ;D



lol my thoughts exactly !  ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: McKennaTaylor on May 05, 2012, 02:51:41 PM
Is it even possible to get myself in that situation? :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ibanato on May 14, 2012, 11:15:12 AM
You better hope you never get cancer. I assure you... you will take back those words.
Sure, why not? But you better pray for me so I won't get it! LOL


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on May 14, 2012, 11:55:44 AM
Be careful what you wish for. Just imagine you get LL and finally heal from duckass and ballerina feet when all of a sudden you fall dead of a sudden heart attack. What a capricious deity we serve! LOL


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: littleangel on May 14, 2012, 01:35:48 PM
Guys,if you live 100 years and you're unhappy the hole time?????Is that living?
And if you live 50 years and it's all perfect,you feel on clouds all the time,I ask you what do you prefer?
Long and miserable?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on May 14, 2012, 01:47:44 PM
LittleAngel- In my case I wouldn't say I'm unhappy but I could be happier  ;) I know hitting my dream height would be icing on the cake of life!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Ant on May 14, 2012, 03:29:41 PM
Lifes what you make it.  You can either sit there moaning and crying or get up and get what you want from life.  To many "poor me, poor me" attitude.  Confidence and contentment  improves your life, height is not realy importent at all as long as your with the one you love.

I would prefer 50 years of happiness over 100 years of being miserable to be honest but Im sure family members would feel different when their loved ones are about to pass.

Whats perfect now will change in time.  I can remember when everyone wanted to be 6ft, then it was 6ft 2" and now lads are wanting even more


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on May 14, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
Great point Ant! Happiness is subjective and the problem is that most humans know not how to be happy.

Can't wait for the day when people stop blaming others and gather to PROTEST their own shortcomings. Personal Responsibility Protest!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Ant on May 14, 2012, 04:00:48 PM
So true, so true


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ragb on May 21, 2012, 03:45:43 AM
very interesting question
I dont think I want to live for for a very long time. life gets boring and tiring when your old and just want to rest once and for all.
5 years is not much, i'll still see my grand kids  ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Dookieman on May 21, 2012, 01:06:26 PM
I would probably answer this question differently if I knew what age I'll die. If I get to the state where I'm p*ssing and sh*tting myself then by all means I'll take the height. Also, I don't want to be a burden on my family or have Alzheimer. So, the more I think about it I cannot answer the question unless I knew the age I'd go.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: longerlegsforlife on June 03, 2012, 07:16:09 PM
No, I would not trade five years off my life.   Just five months I hope. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: myrna_mini on November 11, 2012, 12:42:24 PM
I don't think you need to trade so much. . . . 2-3 years should be enough. . . no?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 511 on November 11, 2012, 02:14:44 PM
My answer is definetly, a 100% yes. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaay better to live as a tall guy for five years less than live as short as one can get and live 5 years longer. No question about it.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TheGreatOne on November 12, 2012, 02:04:53 PM
I'd trade 10 or even 15 years just to be around 1. 88 cm.  Being an old man doesn't sound too appealing to me and I would rather die at around the 75 - 80 mark.  I spent a few weeks in hospital one time and the wards were full of old, unhappy and moany men who were better off dead.  The hospitals have no problem keeping them there because when they die, the hospital inherits some of their possessions (like their house etc. . . ) as compensation for caring for them.  Families just dump the old men in there because pensioner homes are too expensive. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MilitaryGuy on December 29, 2012, 04:42:55 AM
No.  I do a lot of cool things and have a lot of fun.

Luckily, I wouldn't have to trade 5 years to be taller (unless I died in surgery. . . that would suck haha).


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on December 29, 2012, 04:48:04 AM
TheGreatOne why do you hate being 5 8 soo much, and long for 6 2?

are you living in a region where the male average is 6 0 or something?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: MilitaryGuy on December 29, 2012, 05:01:13 AM
Quote from: AsTallAsTheAverageWoman link=topic=2985. msg71767#msg71767 date=1356756484
TheGreatOne why do you hate being 5 8 soo much, and long for 6 2?

are you living in a region where the male average is 6 0 or something?

haha I know right? If I was his height, I wouldn't even consider this. . . and would just wear lifts (to get to average height).


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: NaughtyGuy91 on December 29, 2012, 07:51:44 AM
Yeah id trade anyday..For me happiness is more essential than living longer.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: apostels on December 29, 2012, 07:00:20 PM
Okay, I'm going to really restrain myself from offending anyone, but it is clear to me from the YES responses that either you people have not taken the time to really self-reflect on yourself and life and the meaning of this question, or else there are a lot of people who need some SERIOUS psychiatric help.

FIrst, it is pretty clear to me that some of you need help which has nothing to do with your height. I don't want to single anyone out but there's a lot of body dysmorphia, height neurosis and self-hatred demonstrated by many of you--a lot of the problems in life some of you have will NOT be solved through LL, your problems run much deeper.  

Second, MMT, this whole 5 years question is extremely childish and stupid. For someone who is always proclaiming their sophistication and intelligence --I'm sorry, but it's rather immature. It's like one of those games adolescent boys play such as: would you do X to sleep with a supermodel?

First of all, do any of you who answered "yes" plan on being parents? Have any of you ever lost parents, a child or loved ones? How's this question: what would you give to have them around for 5 more years? What's your answer jackass?

And Medstudent, I seriously hope you're not a real medstudent(God save your future patients) because your comment about losing 2 years of your life because you're undergoing LL is ridiculous! Okay, so you may not be able to walk, but you're still alive! You can still read books, enjoy art, movies, music, food, the company of your friends and loved ones, mastering all kinds of new skills --I guess people in wheel chairs might as well just be dead because they have limited mobility all their lives.

So MMT, I'll answer your question about why I answered NO. Yes, height is important, yes it can make a personal difference in how you feel about yourself --but if you're willing to lose five years of your life over this then it means it has become some kind of holy grail, all consuming obsession that you think will suddenly solve all of your problems --guys it will not--and it also means that you are not paying attention to all the wonderful things life does have to offer. This height obsession is preventing you from seeing things clearly. And by the way, the whole question is vague: lose 5 years? Which 5 years? At the tailend of your life? During you're twenties?

MMT, I think your question was indeed revealing after all --some of you have a mental sickness.












"FIrst, it is pretty clear to me that some of you need help which has nothing to do with your height. I don't want to single anyone out but there's a lot of body dysmorphia, height neurosis and self-hatred demonstrated by many of you--a lot of the problems in life some of you have will NOT be solved through LL, your problems run much deeper."


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Here is what you need to know you close minded chimpanse.

Height and money is equal to Power in this matrix world, end of freaking story by the way.


Answer: A good 99% of our social problems come from Heightism. Being judged by your tibia being 10 cm of bonemass to short sure as fkin hell takes a toll on your soul,
And in return of that ofcourse there will be Lower selfestem, lower selfworth, depression, self-hatred, no denying in that.




"Second, MMT, this whole 5 years question is extremely childish and stupid. For someone who is always proclaiming their sophistication and intelligence --I'm sorry, but it's rather immature. It's like one of those games adolescent boys play such as: would you do X to sleep with a supermodel? "


Answer: Who are you to judge his ability to create an enviroment where we can let out our frustrations and juggle with different threads?.
Or do you recommend only painfull diaries on how people are struggling with increasing their height? i sure as hell dont. I salute MMT and the others for making an effort into making this forum more or less like a cyber family.




"First of all, do any of you who answered "yes" plan on being parents? Have any of you ever lost parents, a child or loved ones? How's this question: what would you give to have them around for 5 more years? What's your answer jackass? "


Answer: When you die the computer software dies simple. so dont grief over lost relatives since they are all around us its just that their body computer is caput.

First of all you need to remove yourself from your EGO and preconcieved ideas about how this world goes around. Why would anyone want to pass on their offspring if not merely by 2 reasons only.

1. Not wanting to feel lonely in older age dying in some ditch all cold and alone it's fear of not having someone there for you when you get older and that is rather SELFISH if you ask me. Because that indicates that you dont have controll over your own life so you need to produce some security meassures to prevent that. Having a Woman is not the same as creating life for selfish reasons.

2. It is in us to want to pass on our offspring thats why endorfines are released when either ejaculating or having sexual intercourse with a female it's just constructs damit!.

Sure having a family is great but the feeling that it is freaking mandatory by society is mind blowing to me.

Live life my OWN way yes that is freedom to me.






"And Medstudent, I seriously hope you're not a real medstudent(God save your future patients) because your comment about losing 2 years of your life because you're undergoing LL is ridiculous! Okay, so you may not be able to walk, but you're still alive! You can still read books, enjoy art, movies, music, food, the company of your friends and loved ones, mastering all kinds of new skills --I guess people in wheel chairs might as well just be dead because they have limited mobility all their lives. "

Word.




"So MMT, I'll answer your question about why I answered NO. Yes, height is important, yes it can make a personal difference in how you feel about yourself --but if you're willing to lose five years of your life over this then it means it has become some kind of holy grail, all consuming obsession that you think will suddenly solve all of your problems --guys it will not--and it also means that you are not paying attention to all the wonderful things life does have to offer. This height obsession is preventing you from seeing things clearly. And by the way, the whole question is vague: lose 5 years? Which 5 years? At the tailend of your life? During you're twenties?

MMT, I think your question was indeed revealing after all --some of you have a mental sickness."


The more i search and go around in this world the more i find that height truly is the holy grail. With height you have 100% access to life.

What good does all the wonderfull things in the world do if you can't "reach" it or be apart of it.

No becoming conciouss and self aware has made me see things clearly, before height was a problem we all walked around thinking we was just unlucky not getting that job or that girl or some other reason, but when you opened your mind and changed the vision of observation AAAAAH SO THATS WHY MY LIFE HAS BEEN AS ITS BEEN. No more buying cars you cant afford, No more buying  clothes on credit just thinking that will make you get laid this saturday night.
No more SHOE LIFTS!
. No more layers of bandage on the wound instead remove all the layers and just fix the wound.
 

 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 511 on December 29, 2012, 09:45:01 PM
Kidrobot, I hope you changed your mind during these years. If not you shouldn't be here.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: 511 on December 29, 2012, 09:50:09 PM
Your whole argument was as stupid as George W. Bush himself.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TheGreatOne on January 05, 2013, 05:51:45 AM
TheGreatOne why do you hate being 5 8 soo much, and long for 6 2?

are you living in a region where the male average is 6 0 or something?

It's simple really: my friends are tall. Even a good few girls are taller than me at 5' 10". The average for men here is 5' 10", but in my circle of friends, they're a lot taller than the average group of guys.

I used to be the tall one when we were 14/15 years old, but that's when I finished puberty - I haven't grown since. It's depressing.

I "long" for 6' 2" because my best friend was about 4 inches shorter than me at 5' 4 or something like that, now he's 6' 3" or 6' 4". Also, my tibiae will look too long if compared to my femur if I do one surgery, so I might as well get the maximum out of the two surgeries - which is 7.5 or 8.0 each limb.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TheGreatOne on January 05, 2013, 05:54:40 AM
haha I know right? If I was his height, I wouldn't even consider this. . . and would just wear lifts (to get to average height).

Those lifts have to come off at the end of the day. The women will know you're short and if the people find out, they'll ridicule you.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on January 05, 2013, 10:14:25 AM
It's simple really: my friends are tall. Even a good few girls are taller than me at 5' 10". The average for men here is 5' 10", but in my circle of friends, they're a lot taller than the average group of guys.

I used to be the tall one when we were 14/15 years old, but that's when I finished puberty - I haven't grown since. It's depressing.

I "long" for 6' 2" because my best friend was about 4 inches shorter than me at 5' 4 or something like that, now he's 6' 3" or 6' 4". Also, my tibiae will look too long if compared to my femur if I do one surgery, so I might as well get the maximum out of the two surgeries - which is 7.5 or 8.0 each limb.

im not sure I 100% follow, why not do 5cm on each segment, then one leg wont be too long for the other, even at the between time between the first and second surgery, that would put you at 6 0, im not sure on your friend but why would you be jealous of your friend if you were 6 0 and he was 6 3, why woudl you want to be 6 3 lol, id rather be 6 0 where the male average is 5 10, that is the 75th percentile, that is the perfect male height, 6 3 is not, it is overkill.

watch the 20/20 report on dating, girls ignore the 5 6 guy (they only liked him when they made him rich), 2 girls picked the 5 10 guy and 1 picked the 6 1 guy, no girls picked the 6 4 guy anyway "too tall".


also not the bring proportions in but you cant go more than 10cm taller than wingspan, ask anyone you wil look wierd.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TheGreatOne on January 05, 2013, 04:44:21 PM
im not sure I 100% follow, why not do 5cm on each segment, then one leg wont be too long for the other, even at the between time between the first and second surgery, that would put you at 6 0, im not sure on your friend but why would you be jealous of your friend if you were 6 0 and he was 6 3, why woudl you want to be 6 3 lol, id rather be 6 0 where the male average is 5 10, that is the 75th percentile, that is the perfect male height, 6 3 is not, it is overkill.

watch the 20/20 report on dating, girls ignore the 5 6 guy (they only liked him when they made him rich), 2 girls picked the 5 10 guy and 1 picked the 6 1 guy, no girls picked the 6 4 guy anyway "too tall".


also not the bring proportions in but you cant go more than 10cm taller than wingspan, ask anyone you wil look wierd.

I rather be over 6 foot to be honest. A lot of my friends are over 6 feet tall and I want to be huge and muscular. I've always wanted to be look like a professional wrestler ever since I was a kid. I currently workout and plan on bodybuilding when I do my first surgery, which should help my proportions, but if I need arm lengthening surgery to look proportional at 6' 2", then so be it.

Have you noticed that kids are getting taller? I walked past a bunch of 14/15/16-year-old kids two days ago in my lifts bring me up to 5' 10" and nearly all of them were the same height or taller than me.

Isn't Apotheosis over his wingspan? He looks great and the type of body I'm aiming for.

Anyway, all decisions will be made when I undergo a consultation with Dr. Sarin hopefully late this year.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on January 05, 2013, 04:57:36 PM
yes but apotheosis is only 10cm, 10cm is probably the maximum.

yes you are entitled to your opinion, however I don't see why you would take 10+ years off your life to be 6 2 specifically, since 5 8 isn't really a disaster of a height (I walked out the door 5 8.5 and saw lots of guys with girls and children), you could get that extra half inch with dress shoes/nike air etc.

I just don't understand why you hate your height so much, if I was in your position I would take 2 years off the end of my life for 2" of height, but beyond that I wouldn't really care, for 5 years off the end of my life for 4" (perfect height) I would say no, since im not that short.

but I hope you get what you want out of LL and have a happy life.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TheGreatOne on January 05, 2013, 05:22:34 PM
yes but apotheosis is only 10cm, 10cm is probably the maximum.

yes you are entitled to your opinion, however I don't see why you would take 10+ years off your life to be 6 2 specifically, since 5 8 isn't really a disaster of a height (I walked out the door 5 8.5 and saw lots of guys with girls and children), you could get that extra half inch with dress shoes/nike air etc.

I just don't understand why you hate your height so much, if I was in your position I would take 2 years off the end of my life for 2" of height, but beyond that I wouldn't really care, for 5 years off the end of my life for 4" (perfect height) I would say no, since im not that short.

but I hope you get what you want out of LL and have a happy life.

Well, there's no such thing as sacrificing several years of your life to compensate for the finer things in life, so let's not worry about that.

Why do you shorter people always criticise us less-shorties for getting leg lengthening surgery? Height insecurity is height insecurity at the end of the day. It's as if yous are jealous that we're naturally taller and yous want to be the same height as us after we both finish surgeries. That seems very self-centered that yous want the rest of the world be your height just to make yous happy. Yous would probably encourage tall people to have surgery to lose a few inches given half a the chance.

I just get the impression that people of your height want people of my height to stick around the average height just so yous can be the same height when yous finish lengthening all of your limbs.

To each their own. If someone want to lengthen to a desired height, then let him be.

There was a person on here who was 5' 11" and he wanted to be the same height as his family members. You guys slated him. Look, if a guy is miserable about his height, it's because he's comparing himself to his close friends and family members who are taller - he wants to be like them, what's wrong with that?

If it makes him happy, then go for it. It's better than hearing of him committing suicide over his insecurities.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Europa on January 05, 2013, 07:22:55 PM
There was a person on here who was 5' 11" and he wanted to be the same height as his family members. You guys slated him. Look, if a guy is miserable about his height, it's because he's comparing himself to his close friends and family members who are taller - he wants to be like them, what's wrong with that?

The poor guy wasn't trashed because he was 5'11, but because he opened a new topic complaining about this fact and asking retarded questions whilst not reading half of the content here. Hell, I'm myself about his height and wouldn't think a second of creating a topic about how not being tall is ruining my life — that's just silly.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on January 05, 2013, 07:38:31 PM
no I agree TheGreatOne that becmoing taller will have a great benefit to your life.

it's jsut that you said you'd take 10 years off your life to be taller, I just don't understand how you feel that way, well that is what this topic is about, would you take x years off your life to be taller.

I would take 5 years of the end of my life to be 5" taller if I was around 5 3, if i was around 5 8 I would not do that.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Need2BTaller on January 05, 2013, 08:31:26 PM
No effin way.  My goal is to be 5'9.5-5'10 and that's perfect for me.  I'm not ever going to give any amount of years of my life away for it.  All I need is about $15,000 and I can reach my perfect height and keep 5 years :).


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: apostels on January 06, 2013, 12:11:42 AM
No effin way.  My goal is to be 5'9.5-5'10 and that's perfect for me.  I'm not ever going to give any amount of years of my life away for it.  All I need is about $15,000 and I can reach my perfect height and keep 5 years :).

Well would you do it if you are not allowed to do LL with money?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Need2BTaller on January 06, 2013, 07:33:59 AM
Well would you do it if you are not allowed to do LL with money?

Then I wouldn't do it.  Who knows just how precious those last 5 years may be...


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on January 06, 2013, 10:29:38 AM
I would at 5 6, to be 5 11 (my perfect height) take 5 years off my life.

if i was 5 8 i wouldn't.

remember the topic today is about taking years off your life to be your perfect height, and I would add that there is no LL, that at least gives the question some serious weighting.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: LivaVinia on January 31, 2013, 05:53:57 AM
You can spend 1 to 2 years of your life doing traditional (I don't want to say painful) LL to have a perfect height without causing your body a permanent damage (like -5 years), so why trade 5 years of it?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: raoniclegs on March 20, 2013, 07:21:33 PM
yes!!! if its let me 6"6 perfectly proportionated, i can become a atp tennis player, 5 years is less than you think, people who smokes or drink often ages more quickly, soo, avoiding this, eating very healthy, drinks a lot of green tea jejejejeje,


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Calic on March 26, 2013, 07:06:14 PM
Yes, I think quality of life is more important that quantity of life.

As said by others in this thread most of us will be giving up a sizable chunk of our lives to pursue LL as it is.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Rivers on April 08, 2013, 06:41:51 PM
No


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Rodosil on May 05, 2013, 06:14:50 AM
Not five years from my mid twenties but five years from my mid nineties  ;D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: StewartHayes on July 02, 2013, 12:34:42 PM
If one considers all the missed special moments in life that could be missed to self esteem issues related to height insecurities, then 5 years is a bargain.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: acap on July 02, 2013, 07:36:06 PM
If one considers all the missed special moments in life that could be missed to self esteem issues related to height insecurities, then 5 years is a bargain.

Still you cannot hope to solve all shyness related problems with surgeries. That is indeed delusional.
Rather you could boost the speed and power of a new ego already growing inside, I think.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: adabi on July 03, 2013, 10:19:29 PM
Yep I sure would


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TomD on July 23, 2013, 05:57:38 AM

My perfect height is 6ft 2

Would I shave 5 years off to get it?

At 20 ? 30? even 35? Yes.  definitely

Now at 47? No. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: acap on July 23, 2013, 11:24:23 PM
My perfect height is 6ft 2

Would I shave 5 years off to get it?

At 20 ? 30? even 35? Yes.  definitely

Now at 47? No. 

Really? Can you give me a better insight, if you don't mind?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: chuck norris on August 05, 2013, 02:56:40 AM
Bumped into this article...

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/07/height_and_longevity_the_research_is_clear_being_tall_is_hazardous_to_your.html

The author's conclusion:
"Even if a couple of extra inches of height will increase your standing in the community, your IQ, and even your lifetime income, does that justify trading in years of your life?
At 6 feet tall, I’m no giant, but I’d gladly shrink down a few inches to fit better into airplane seats. And as I get older, and begin to worry about what percentage of my life is behind me, I’d practically miniaturize myself if it would get me five or 10 more years."

Considering this thread, it's kinda ironic. :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Egotistical on August 10, 2013, 12:01:22 AM
Well at 5ft4, i feel as if i would say yes.

I mean after all we are living longer now so, plus I'm 19 so I'm still young.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Murph on August 10, 2013, 12:29:57 AM
5 years NO

1-2 years YES

But then i'm 5ft 9 so I guess its not quite such a big deal. 

6ft by 2014 is my goal


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Bigfaker on August 21, 2013, 08:05:55 AM
Quote from: Calic link=topic=2985. msg78506#msg78506 date=1364324774
Yes, I think quality of life is more important that quantity of life.

As said by others in this thread most of us will be giving up a sizable chunk of our lives to pursue LL as it is.

What Calic said ^^

But the change in quality of life is definitely something that varies from person to person.  While LL is going to be life-changing for all who go through it, I'm guessing the potential improvement is much greater for those struggling with well-below average height than for those doing well in life who just want an enhancement.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Terry1988 on August 21, 2013, 01:26:47 PM
Better off being young and tall than old and short.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Lex on August 21, 2013, 03:24:45 PM
I would trade 10 years.....  ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: TomD on August 21, 2013, 04:53:14 PM
Really? Can you give me a better insight, if you don't mind?

Its just simple math. At 47 years old I would rather have the 5 years than the height. I only have realistically about 33 years left. I wouldnt want that chopped down to 28 .

If I was 30 years old then yeah I trade it. I think as time has gone on I realize how fast life zooms by.

I am glad I dont have to make that choice. In fact, I work as a banker and can work from my computer so when I go to India I can work all day even lying in bed.  :o

I wont have to give up any freedom or time.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Snortle on August 26, 2013, 07:41:55 PM
Yes I would give up the 5 years.   


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: theuprising on September 02, 2013, 10:18:58 AM
Yes purely because I would trade quality over quantity.

There is no doubt that above average men enjoy better
treatment than their shorter peers.

As I'm already out 2 years for the treatment an extra 3
is not such an issue


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Petite Girl on September 08, 2013, 04:30:58 AM
I am still young, will not takes this risk.  I will try to find another way to gain height.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Lex on September 10, 2013, 06:17:23 PM
I am still young, will not takes this risk.  I will try to find another way to gain height.


Let me know if you find another way lol ;)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Petite Girl on September 13, 2013, 09:32:44 AM

Let me know if you find another way lol ;)

I will ask other people to pull my leg with using car. haha, If I would give a chance  to get prefect height I want trade 20 years off  :D


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Westward on October 13, 2013, 06:29:57 PM
All depends on the quality of life i'm trading in and what my life is like at the perfect height.  TBD.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: rigobert on December 09, 2013, 12:07:55 AM
i definitely would.  being old looks miserable.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Leatherneck0331 on December 09, 2013, 07:08:29 AM
I'm 28 years old currently 5' 4" if I had the change to loose 5 years of my life to be my perfect height 5' 9" I will definitely do it.  I feel as I already lost 13 years of my life being 5' 4" since I stopped growing 13 years ago.  But I would have to settle by being 5' 7" because I only plan on doing one LL surgery on my femurs. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ShortandSweet on December 13, 2013, 12:20:32 AM
If I could magically become Dirk's twin (B-ball skill, proporions, and all) then HELL YES!!!! It feels hilarious (sadly not in the best way) to be the world's biggest basketball fanatic at well bellow average height   :P


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: LordSyko on January 20, 2014, 08:06:21 PM
No doubt about it.  I'd trade 10 years. 


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: EricCartman on January 20, 2014, 08:18:11 PM
Probably yes: it's better a day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep  :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Pepperoni on January 31, 2014, 10:26:25 PM
Fo' sure!


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: muaythaiguy on June 20, 2014, 02:40:46 AM
Quote from: MMTA link=topic=2985. msg32698#msg32698 date=1259112137
Greetings, Height Seekers Anonymous!

I hope that you are all well.  Welcome to an interesting twist on some of our earlier discussions. . .

Imagine this: Some doctors have developed a pain-free, 100% reliable way of making you taller by growing your body all over so that you can reach your perfect height with no complications, proportions problems or risks.

However, there is one major downside - it will take five (5) years off your life because it will have accelerated your body's regrowth cycles to the point that the average person will live 7. 2% less than they would have, because your body will age 7. 2% faster - This equates to roughly five years off the life expectancy for the average person person in the developed world.

Would you do it? Vote, but please also tell us why you have chosen the option that you have, and whether or not you would encourage further research by this team of doctors.

Can't wait to see how people react to this one!  ;D

Cheers, MMT

If I were under 5'6, maybe.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Zeus on June 26, 2014, 05:51:47 AM
Plot twist you: you accept it and die on the spot.


But I answered yes. Quality over quantity for me :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: otaku123 on July 03, 2014, 12:02:59 PM
Absolutely not but then again I'm 5'8" so I can understand some people being really short not wanting to do it. But honestly in 5 years I can increase my pickup skills and fk so many chicks that it wouldn't be worth it. Time is really short and who knows how long your lifespan is.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: duncangunit on July 13, 2014, 04:43:39 AM
This is quite an interesting question. Although I am probably taking this hypothetical question too seriously, I would like to raise some questions I have and take a stab at evaluating the implications of my own potential answers.

Questions:
1) What does losing five years mean? Does it mean losing the last 5 years of my life? Or the next 5 years? Or the five best years of my life (just losing the memories of the best 5 years [ex. Forgot I used to love my wife] or losing the chance to have the best 5 years happening [ex. Not having a wife I even used to love])? Or the five years I am most needed (family)?
2) How is the perfect height achieved? Is it like what LL can give (changing the length of either the femurs or the tibias), or changing the entire body height? (torso length, leg length, potentially arm length)
3) How will I lose five years? Is it five years in prison? In illness? In surgery recovery like LL? Five years just disappeared? Five years of just my life gone, or five years of the whole world gone?

Implications:
1) I think losing the next 5 years of my life is definitely worse than losing the last 5 years of my life. They could of course be the same, but hey, touch wood. I assume most people only vague know how much longer they can live and I am sure an 80 year old would not say yes to this question even if the 80 year old wants to get taller desperately. When I am thinking of losing the five best years of my life, it takes some imagination. It could mean, a fortune teller tells me I would meet a woman I love passionately tomorrow and I would love her passionately for five years, then we would lose the flame. Or it could be, if I want to obtain the perfect height, I would just lose the perfect woman since I need to have met her in the five years I traded for a perfect height. When I am thinking of losing the five years of my life that I am most needed, it could be when my future son/daughter is 13-18, when they needed me the most. It could be my parent's last 5 years, when they want to be with their kids, but I gave the five years away.

2) I think changing the entire body is a better deal than LL since it can help people get a body proportion more to what they want. But then, will we get us with a clap? Or it means if we want our torso longer, we have to cut our spine (like LL) then hope it will grow back?

3) This question is a little repetitive of my question one, but since it relates to LL it deserves to be a standalone question. This question probably is what drives most "time-travel" sci-fi books. I can write a ten page essay in answering this question, but then not only I would lose an hour plus of my life, so will everyone that would read my ten page essay (see what I did? ;) [Five years (an hour plus) of just my life gone, or five years (an hour plus) of the whole world gone? ]). Anyway, I think five year disappeared is the easy way out. Five years in surgery recovery (LL is 3 months in recovery) might make some of us that said yes reconsider their answers (I would).

What this question really makes me think is how much unknown there are in our future. We are definitely losing some stuff for choosing to want LL. We are also choosing to bear some risks. But hey, at least we know what we want, and it is something we are willing to pay for it with time and money.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: asfastaslight on July 14, 2014, 06:01:54 PM
this really is a pointless thread anyone can say they have a PHD and not even have graduated from high school.   People should post degrees yet block out their names or something imo


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Phazon-Monado on December 12, 2014, 12:08:10 PM
I would trade 5 years of my life to be my perfect height, there are many in my life who would consider me stupid for such a decision, but I'm not worried about 5 years being taken off my life.
The way I see it, how you spend the years of your life is far more important than how many years you have in your life.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ReadRothbard on December 12, 2014, 06:10:11 PM
I'd do it. Five years off an 80-90 year lifespan isn't that much (given the pace of technology, it seems likely that the average lifespan would reach this in the coming decades).


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: duncangunit on February 08, 2015, 06:17:53 PM
It's been a while since I last thought of this question...it's been almost 2 years since I started preparing for LL (mostly saving money, stretching). And perhaps my preparation is a little more extreme than most people, because I decided to live abroad to avoid my close friends and my family so I can pull off the "yea I just grew" reason when they notice that I grew in my late 20s. It is tough. I get homesick and feel alone all the time. I doubt my decision to do LL all the time, because requires me to give up seeing as many people as possible, so I can give the "yea I just grew" reason to as many people as possible. I think if I need to prepare for LL for another year, I would have given up. The cost to my relationships with friends and family is just too high.

But again, perhaps I could have just lived at home, saved rent, and got ready sooner. Who knows? One way or the other I guess over the course of the past two years I realized LL is not everything. It will not be the biggest decision in my life, as I see my parents grow old and have to decide on numerous more important issues regarding my younger siblings and their own lives. I am glad that I can get over with LL at my relatively young age.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: siguy745 on February 09, 2015, 04:46:02 AM
It would be a "yes" for me because I'm abnormally extremely short.  If I was just very short, it would be a "no."


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Cyborg on March 08, 2015, 04:45:37 AM
Quote from: ReadRothbard link=topic=2985. msg102353#msg102353 date=1418407811
I'd do it.  Five years off an 80-90 year lifespan isn't that much (given the pace of technology, it seems likely that the average lifespan would reach this in the coming decades).

Not only that, but there's research like SENS which is looking into ending aging.   I don't know if it is going to work, but if it does you might get both your perfect height and get out of losing five years of your life because aging would be fixed.   Even if that doesn't work the advancement of medicine would probably negate the loss of years of your life at least in part.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: ReadRothbard on March 09, 2015, 01:56:34 AM
Not only that, but there's research like SENS which is looking into ending aging.   I don't know if it is going to work, but if it does you might get both your perfect height and get out of losing five years of your life because aging would be fixed.   Even if that doesn't work the advancement of medicine would probably negate the loss of years of your life at least in part.

I've heard of that, too. I keep hearing that aging is going to be cured by 2029.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: wish177 on May 19, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
Greetings, Height Seekers Anonymous!

I hope that you are all well. Welcome to an interesting twist on some of our earlier discussions...

Imagine this: Some doctors have developed a pain-free, 100% reliable way of making you taller by growing your body all over so that you can reach your perfect height with no complications, proportions problems or risks.

However, there is one major downside - it will take five (5) years off your life because it will have accelerated your body's regrowth cycles to the point that the average person will live 7.2% less than they would have, because your body will age 7.2% faster - This equates to roughly five years off the life expectancy for the average person person in the developed world.

Would you do it? Vote, but please also tell us why you have chosen the option that you have, and whether or not you would encourage further research by this team of doctors.

Can't wait to see how people react to this one!  ;D

Cheers, MMT
You could get couple of inches if you are willing to use på 5 years of your life.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: zeo on May 20, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
I think a better question would be if you would add 5 years to your age in order to be your perfect height/proportions. Like if you are  25 years old you would be magically be 30 but with your chosen height/proportions.

I think most people will agree that it would be worth it to cut 5 years from the END of your life, I don't think we'll be missing be out on much from ages 90-95.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: wish177 on May 23, 2015, 08:07:13 AM
I think a better question would be if you would add 5 years to your age in order to be your perfect height/proportions. Like if you are  25 years old you would be magically be 30 but with your chosen height/proportions.

I think most people will agree that it would be worth it to cut 5 years from the END of your life, I don't think we'll be missing be out on much from ages 90-95.
But still 5 years from your prime time, how many cm would takes 5 years anyway?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: rjcpm8619 on August 05, 2015, 04:42:48 PM
Absolutely, all the years in the world are meaningless if you aren't happy.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Mr.Placebo on August 05, 2015, 07:34:31 PM
yes, the first 5 years of your life when you are baby. I don't remember any of it anyway :)


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: wish177 on August 05, 2015, 09:31:30 PM
I don't get it, why 5 years? Does it really take that much time to recover?


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on September 29, 2015, 01:59:00 PM
I kind of want to kick the bucket by the time I am 60, so yeah. I'd go for it.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Ssteiner on April 07, 2016, 03:18:16 PM
Without a shadow of a doubtbid take 5 years off my lifespan

To tell the truth at 32 if someone said you will die at 50 if it means being the perfect height id take it

Quality over quantity any day, talker people live far more easyband fulfilled lives the sad thing is they dont even see it because its something like oygen to them they just take it for granted.

Its far far easier to attract women when you are tall,mits easier to get respectband easier to get jobs etc etc, wevall know this as fact!

Younare not losing years of your life either by losing 5 years, what you are gaining is life itself, short oeople rarely have 'lives' to beginnwith they just have hollow existences with no real meaning or happiness


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Truespartan on April 07, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
The question should be would you trade 5 years of your prime age to be your perfect LL. We haven't experienced being old and therefore we don't know it's  value. But most of us here are in ur 20s or 30s. Would you sacrafice 2-5 years rights now to be ur dream height.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: swalsh on April 08, 2016, 11:39:55 PM
I know this is a hypothetical question, but of all the research I have done it would seem that it's not the correct hypothetical because it really shouldn't take five years to finish LL.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: madefor70 on October 20, 2016, 06:02:58 PM
I guess it depends how extreme the height is would result in people willing to trade off.  This assume the increase in height makes your whole body proportional.  Such as someone increase 5cm would be not inclined.  Whereas some increasing by 30cm would.


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Nameless on May 08, 2017, 10:54:48 PM
YES.      I'd trade even more years if I must.     It's a no-brainer for me.        
As a short Gym-Rat who has what most people would say "the perfect body" and a good looking face, I still get ZERO women attention (any girl below 6/10 doesn't count).        
Living life as a short man, who's always tested by both women and men for his self-confidence, simply sucks.        
And watching taller guys that fail in life (doesn't study, doesn't go to the gym, working in a minimum-wage job, living with their parents just sleeping all day etc.  ) getting hot girls that doesn't even look at me is what really gets me frustrated every f**king time.        


Title: Re: Would you trade five years off your life to be your perfect height?!
Post by: Kris on May 09, 2017, 09:47:02 PM
YES! I lost a lot more of time training on gym, running, doing healthy food, only to fell way below any height of my friends who simply didnt care about healthy lifestyle.