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Title: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 11, 2011, 02:34:58 AM
Disclaimer (Or Whatever You Call This Section) Thingy

Okay, I finally decided to write a "journal" (seriously, doesn't "diary" conjure all these girly, "oh, I saw Tom today, he was sooooo handsome<3 <3 <3" images in mind? [on a side note, if you did see Tom today and he really was "handsome <3 <3 <3", good for you].)

Before anything else though, I first want to stress that starting one in the first place was, for me, a substantial first step in itself. I was initially debating between the pros and the cons of writing this journal (obvious pro being the sense of community and support one could get from fellow MMT members and obvious con would be the constant need of updating it) but in the end, I decided that, at the very least, making my story public would make this institution somewhat more accountable for what happens to me (as hopefully people from the outside world could read up on my experiences here). That said, let me now delineate that this "journal" was created as a means to  1) record my LL experiences here in Beijing, and 2) express whatever affects I encounter during the process, and 3) as mentioned earlier, serve as a "proof" of my experiences.

Also, let it be noted that, because this is a "personal" recounting of my experiences, I have no doubt in mind that a lot of my posts would inevitably be skewed in subjectivity although I will try to remain as objective as humanly possible. Oh oh, and lest I forget, I tend to swear a lot so please don't take it against me if you see the occasional profanity here and there; that's just me expressing my honest-to-goodness self :3

I'm not going to say too much about myself, but I am from southeast Asia for anyone who is interested.

All of that taken care of, journal time ;D

(note: after doing some pretty extensive reading on the difference of a "journal" and a "diary", I decided not to give a f*** about the meaning [apparently, "diary" is the more apt word], I still want to call mine a "journal" ;) hahaha)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on September 11, 2011, 03:21:10 AM
Great, I'm looking forward to read your journal lol


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Shortlegs on September 11, 2011, 04:48:34 AM
Hi Roc, since you are there with Dr Xia, would you please to ask him if he will still manage his job in like 4,5 more years?? thanks a lots, I sent him an email already but i've been today and there is no response :( and good luck with your journey :D:D

Yo, you're from Southeast Asia? Wow, we are neighbors man, I am from Viet Nam!!!! :D:D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 11, 2011, 05:24:03 AM
Great, I'm looking forward to read your journal lol

Hey Luffy,

Thanks man. Update yours too! haha. See you around the hallways lol

Hi Roc, since you re there with Dr Xia, would you pls to ask him if he still manage his job in like 4,5 more years?? thanks a lots, I sent him an email already but it ve been today and there is no response :( and good luck with your journey :D:D

Hey Shortlegs,

Lol, i'll tell him when i see him (though I don't know how i can do that given the language barrier thingy haha.) As you probably know though, he doesn't really do any hands on surgeries anymore (at least that's what I know) so i suppose even if he retires, he'll be able to leave the institute in someone's capable hands. Don't worry, this place isn't going away any time soon (I think they make too much money hahaha.)

Best of luck to you too;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 11, 2011, 05:25:15 AM
Yo, you're from Southeast Asia? Wow, we are neighbors man, I am from Viet Nam!!!! :D

*high five*


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Shortlegs on September 11, 2011, 05:29:22 AM
*high five*

Lol, yo we southeast Asians all seem to have problems with China in the sea now eh? Do you read the newspaper daily?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 11, 2011, 06:01:43 AM
Lol, yo we southeast Asians all seem to have problems with China in the sea now eh? Do you read the newspaper daily? 

Spratleys?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: crazy+6 on September 11, 2011, 10:38:18 AM
Hi Roc,

Welcome on board  :)

Looking forward to reading more.

Crazy+6


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on September 12, 2011, 03:31:07 AM
Congratulations on taking the first step towards your goal Roc! I'm sure there are many people on this site who sympathize that you're sub-165 cm in height including me.  The world we live in can be really harsh sometimes, but what's good is that LL is becoming a viable option for so many people who are brave enough.  Good luck Roc! I'll be following your diary intently!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 12, 2011, 08:31:51 AM
Congratulations on taking the first step towards your goal Roc! I'm sure there are many people on this site who sympathize that you're sub-165 cm in height including me.  The world we live in can be really harsh sometimes, but what's good is that LL is becoming a viable option for so many people who are brave enough.  Good luck Roc! I'll be following your diary intently!

Thanks Arche, appreciate it


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 13, 2011, 07:07:57 AM
(Note: Now before I get to the journal proper, just to be perfectly clear, it is now officially my 2nd week here (14th day) post surgery;) That said, I might miss a detail or two recounting the past 14 days so bear with me if anything of that sort happens ;D )


Hello Beijing!

(August 26th - 28th)

We left home on the 26th of August and arrived in Beijing on the 27th (midnight) with my dad and uncle. After the extremely long queue for taxis in the airport (we made a mistake of queuing with the locals), we finally hailed a cab (we cut in line actually, hihihi ;D) and went straight to our hotel. Because we arrived on a Saturday, there were no available doctors in the institute so we opted to simply go sightseeing around the city first. Our hotel was situated very near the Forbidden City complex so it was an easy 5 min walk to the adjoining plaza (which btw, is a bustling tourist spot/shopping district.) Now, it wasn't my first time in China but it was my first in Beijing and let me tell you, I was f*cking surprised to see how rude the people here are. Now, I have Chinese blood myself so I'll be the last person whose gonna go all racist against my "own" people but damn, for the first few days of our stay in Beijing, we were ignored, argued with, and basically disrespected by the staff in local restaurants. Also, in my 2 days before going to the hospital, (we were picked up by the hospital's driver on Sunday evening) i've seen at least 3 people shout at each other here. Damn, Beijing people are aggressive. Mind you, my dad could speak basic mandarin, enough to get along, and my uncle was as fluent as any Chinese person could get but, apparently, because of his "accent" (he came from a southern province in China), we were still considered tourists and we theorized that that was partly to blame for it.

Now i wouldn't know how they treat white people but damn, it didn't feel great to go inside a restaurant and basically be bullied around by the waiters/waitresses. Also, this behavior wasn't isolated towards us. As I've mentioned before, because the plaza was a bustling tourist spot, a significant number (if not all) of the people there were local tourists (people from the provinces touring Beijing) and they were treated like second class citizens as well. Now just to be fair, not all the establishments were like that, maybe we were just unlucky; 2 of the 4 restaurants we visited were f*cked up like that, but I don't know, it just stuck to me I guess given how friendly and submissive the staff members in restaurants were in my country. Me and my dad were actually playing with a theory: Because Beijing was the seat of government for the longest time, people had to learn how to bow down and shut up in the presence of anyone remotely royal (I'm talking about the dynasty eras here) so basically, after years of getting bullied into submission by the royals, they eventually became fed up and now treat everyone else that they don't have to bow down to like ****. Of course, these could be the outliers; i can't generalize the whole of Beijing based on those few individuals but in general, the theory does seem to have some truth to it ;)

Those incidents aside, I enjoyed touring that plaza/ visiting the Forbidden City; the place was truly magnificent. There were also a lot of friendly local tourists so it wasn't all that bad. Finally, as I've mentioned above, come Sunday evening (ms. Ronne arranged for us to be picked up then), we were driven to the institute to see the place for the first time.




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 13, 2011, 07:16:06 AM
Hi Roc,

Welcome on board  :)

Looking forward to reading more.

Crazy+6

Thanks Crazy+6, feels good to be welcomed by such a famous member lol


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: craig49 on September 13, 2011, 10:04:38 AM
Hey man,
good luck with lengthening.  Some southeast Asian women are very attractive, that should be motivation enough to get taller.  Your perceptions of Chinese people is interesting.  I lived all over China for about 2 and 1/2 years.  I can tell you Beijing is different and the attitude is different partly because it is the capital.  Inland China is very different in my opinion.  


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 14, 2011, 06:00:46 AM
Hey man,
good luck with lengthening.  Some southeast Asian women are very attractive, that should be motivation enough to get taller.  Your perceptions of Chinese people is interesting.  I lived all over China for about 2 and 1/2 years.  I can tell you Beijing is different and the attitude is different partly because it is the capital.  Inland China is very different in my opinion.  

Haha, right you are; there are some pretty good looking southeast Asian women out there but I'm already taken ;)

Also, yeah, mainly, if the aforementioned theory doesn't hold water, the other plausible explanation would simply be, because they're from the capital, they feel like they're superior.

Hope this doesn't offend any Beijing people though 'cause again, i'm not generalizing.

Thanks man, good luck to you too


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 14, 2011, 06:34:36 AM
The Institute (Sounds Like a Horror Movie Title Huh?)
(August 28th - 29th)

We arrived at the clinic around 8pm and basically looked around the place. The place was so surreal; it looked almost exactly, but at the same time, totally unlike how I pictured it would be based on all the diaries I’ve read. One of the first sights I saw were people with metal braces on their legs walking outside in crutches and immediately after that, I found myself thinking, "this is it, this is really happening.." We were then led inside by the driver who picked us up. One of the first few things you’ll see is this bulletin board that contained photos of individual patients with their respective problems.  (i.e. one leg is shorter than the other, extreme dwarfism, etc.) After a few minutes of checking these out, some of the nurses on duty that night came out. Questions in Mandarin were asked and answered (I’m not that good in Mandarin lol) and eventually, we were led to my room where I left my things (luggage, etc) and stuff.

Photos of my room (this are recent ones as I didn't think of taking pictures before.)

(http://s2.postimage.org/phanatpg/securedownload_1.jpg)

(http://s2.postimage.org/phcau678/securedownload.jpg)

(Also, I don't have a proper camera with me so all i'm using is my iPad 2's. Yeah, it has a sucky camera, but at least it works.)

A few minutes later, I was introduced to one of the patients here (I won't mention any physical details since I think that patient wants to reserve his/her privacy) and I asked questions regarding the procedure and the process.The individual looked well enough but you could see it in his/her eyes that he/she just really wanted to go home (at that time, he/she only had a week of lengthening left if my memory serves me correctly.) Afterwards, we had dinner outside (alongside the karaoke bars that's been mentioned numerous times in this site) and after, went back. I stayed the night to get myself accustomed to the place and also, in a way, to placate my dad that I could handle this alone while he and my uncle went back to the hotel.

The next day (29th) was my testing day. That day, I had the works: blood tests, X-rays, measurements, etc. Also, it was the first time I met ms. Ronne. Now, I know everybody has been raving about how friendly and helpful she is and I must say, none of those were exaggerations. I really do think that all the potential foreign patients come here with a 50-50% intention of going under the knife ('cause it is a different country with a huge language barrier and all) but it's ms. Ronne that inevitably tips them over the edge haha. She is just so friendly and helpful and, after talking for a few minutes with her, you'd just feel like everything's going to be fine. Also, funny thing, before, whilst emailing her, she introduced herself as “Ronnie Wang” and until the day I finally talked with her on the phone (we were still coordinating with her via email whilst me, my dad, and uncle were staying at the hotel), I’ve always referred to her as “Mr. Wang” so imagine my surprise when I found out she was a girl lol. She never bothered to correct me so that was kinda embarrassing.

That day was also when I had my first consultation with dr. Peng (?, I'm not sure about their names). I didn't get most of the conversation since they were talking mostly to my dad and uncle (damnit, I should really work on my Mandarin) but what I did get though was I seemed to have a slightly misaligned left leg and that the increase suggested for me was 8.5cm. I was pretty happy about that actually since I keep on hearing how the doctors usually just suggest 5-6cm's; i guess I have a pretty long femurs compared to my tibias so that was a pleasant surprise.

A little while later, ms Ronne introduced us to this Malaysian dude who came back to have his rods removed. He was initially 5”8 I think and now is a whooping 5”11. Damn, did he look good (my dad said so too) although I did wonder why he didn’t go all the way to being a 6 footer considering he was just an inch shy from it. We talked for a while and he basically left me with a couple of advices: “it is going to be hard but you’ll forget all about it after. Also, trust the doctors, though a complication may seem serious for you, know that they’ve seen it a hundred times and they know what to do.” In the end, we both wished each other luck and my companions and I were left pondering about what he said.

Afterwards, we were whisked away and finally met THE MAN dr.Xia and he was exactly how MMT described him to be: a caring, old, uncle sort of person. He had the looks of a wizened businessman about him (which slightly reminded me of Marlon Brandon in the Godfather, yeah, he was pretty intimidating) and in fear of simply repeating what’s been said, you could really tell that based on the hierarchy of the place, this was the top man. He talked to us with ms. Ronne nearby and asked us simple questions like “why did you opt to do this?” “what are your motivations?”, etc. In the end, he reassured us that everything was going to be fine and we need not worry. After all the consultations and medical stuff, it was shopping time.

Now the original plan for that day was for me, my dad, and uncle to go shopping for the things I need but I was then told that I needed to stay 'cause they had to prep me for the surgery the next day. And when I say prep, I mean they were going to pump my blood chuck full of antibiotics via I.V. and shiz. Basically, my dad and uncle went out and bought the stuff I need whilst I was stuck in my room waiting for the I.V.'s to finish. Eventually, the day passed by and I met a couple of the other patients including Luffy and *I don’t know his MMT username yet lol*.  At the end of the day, I got all the stuff I requested for/ needed, and went to sleep. I can't say for sure but I remember having a dreamless night that night.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 15, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
Photo Enlargement

As Luffy pointed out, my photos in the above post were too small (I didn't know how to properly post them yet lol), thanks Luffy for the how to's.

My room as of now:

(http://s2.postimage.org/evx1ij4sp/securedownload_1.jpg)

(http://s2.postimage.org/evx362hah/securedownload.jpg)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 16, 2011, 11:27:54 AM
Surgery Day

(August 30th)

I woke up around 7am and was pretty anxious about the surgery. I remember having second thoughts ‘cause, “come on”, I said to myself, “I’m going to be stuck here for almost a whole year!” After a few minutes, one of the nurses came in and gave me this pajama thingy, which apparently were the clothes I was suppose to wear during the operation. Donning them on, I found that they were too big for me, and in a way, I then realized how fed up I was having to find clothes “small” enough to fit me. Finally, the clocked struck 8am and like clock-work, one of the doctors (or was it a nurse?) came in and led to me to the surgery room.
Inside, it was… cold. Okay, not to discredit any of the vets here but based on their description of the operating theatre, I expected better. No, it wasn’t as if it was run down or anything, it’s just that from what I remember reading, words like “modern” and/or “state-of-the-art” were being thrown around a lot but whatever, I was there and I was determined to go through with it.

They made me lie down on the operating table and eventually asked me to curl into a fetal position for the epidural. It was only afterwards that I found out that the other patients (at least the vets) were given the option of selecting certain music/songs during the operation.  Frankly, I was disappointed I wasn’t asked but what’s done is done. Anyway, after some initial pain due to the epidural being stuck in in-between my spine, my legs started going numb. Now, let me tell you, it felt kinda scary given how, for lack of better term, “cold” the doctors were. Looking back, yes they were professionals in every sense of the word but I guess I just expected too much “warmth” based on other people’s diaries. Also, maybe this is just me but I found it really cool how the numbness spread towards my legs lol. I’m in no way fascinated with morbidity or anything with regards to that but It was, simply put, an “experience”, being able to feel your legs one second, and having them totally numb the next. When my legs were finally numb and dead as logs, I felt the doctors position for surgery. This was also the time when they pulled my shorts down and I remember them fumbling around my lower area. At that time, I didn’t know what they were doing with my penis (it was embarrassing for me really, we never had those locker room moments in our country so nudity is still a huge issue) but based on simple inference, I guess they were putting on my catheter at this point.

Now remember how I mentioned that the operating roon was cold? At this point, I found myself shivering and pointed this out to one of the people inside. After some difficulties in trying to convey what I felt, she (or was it a he?) finally understood what I was trying to say and covered me in some cloth that helped a lot. That was one of the last things I remember.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: yungchih69 on September 19, 2011, 05:05:55 AM
You said: It depends on each patient. I have 13 on each leg while others have 14, etc. But yeah, it's more or less in that range.

Why?  How?   I thought there is a standard number of the pins?? 

How could you have fewer pins then others?

Is that ok to do it without rod?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 19, 2011, 01:01:15 PM
You said: It depends on each patient. I have 13 on each leg while others have 14, etc. But yeah, it's more or less in that range.

Why?  How?   I thought there is a standard number of the pins??  

How could you have fewer pins then others?

Is that ok to do it without rod?

To be perfectly honest, I dont know; I guess it depends on each individual's legs. For example, the people who undergo the surgery here have heights that range from 150cm - 180++, now they can't all use the same sized external device right? They have to find one to fit the patient. I believe it's the same with the number of pins; the doctors choose the appropriate number depending on the person's leg, although as I've said, it's basically the same, just +-1.

By the way, other veterans can correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh! And I just remembered, I'm not exactly sure but if my memory serves me correctly, it's not the total number of pins that differ but the number in each section. Im saying this 'cause I seem to recall this other patient asking me why we have the same number of pins although in one section (read: part of the tibia), he had more pins than mine. Basically, we had the same number but I had my "extra" located in a different part.

Hope that helps yungchih ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 20, 2011, 08:43:41 AM
Limbo

(August 30th – Sept the 1st)

I’d like to call this phase the “limbo” ‘cause basically, you’re in a state of knowing and unknowing; conscious and unconscious. Now, as I’ve read from other people’s diary, the length of this phase depends from person to person - for example, MMT, if I remember correctly, slept through most of his limbo phase for a week straight… (lucky bastard) whilst I was conscious come my third day.

I can’t really say much about what happened in between those 2 days but I was thankful that my dad and uncle were there beside me. Also, this is the time when the maid (mine is Yang Jie btw; awesome, awesome lady) actually sleeps in your room (if you don’t have visitors.) Because my dad and uncle had to leave the day after my surgery, the maid was basically with me 24/7. Now, as I’ve mentioned before, I’m not exactly the most fluent person in Mandarin, due to this, there were times where things could get frustrating ‘cause they’d do stuff you don’t understand and you’d want them to do stuff they can’t get. Don’t get me wrong though, these are the days where you’ll truly appreciate your maid. Mine was just… *sigh*, I can’t even express how thankful I am. Basically, she’d get your food for you, help you do whatever you want (if you finally convey what you want to convey), dab water on your lips (‘cause you can’t drink yet I guess), drain away your pee on from the catheter sack, etc. Mine even went to the trouble of rubbing my naked butt for me from time to time; I assumed this was for preventing bed sores (although she might just have wanted to feel up my back side ;D)

Delusions of having a great ass aside, everything else doesn’t really matter much at this stage ‘cause you’d probably sleeping anyway thanks to the morphine jacked in your back. Apart from the occasional moments of consciousness you’ll experiences, I believe this phase to be fairly easy enough; just pray you sleep as long as you can ‘cause if you don’t, you’ll experience, what I’d like to call, “hell week.”


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on September 23, 2011, 01:25:40 AM
You got this ROC! I'm pulling for your buddy! It'll be so worth it in the end!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: yungchih69 on September 23, 2011, 04:54:26 AM
man!  Thank you, btw, cause you don't have the rod yet, so...........could you show me the incision cuts (two one each legs for cutting bones) in the pictures?    How do them look like?  hog long? shape?  Appreciated!!!!   ( I think people have problem to post pictures here, so you can email me, yungchih69@hotmail.com)

I will be very grateful for your kindness!

To be perfectly honest, I dont know; I guess it depends on each individual's legs. For example, the people who undergo the surgery here have heights that range from 150cm - 180++, now they can't all use the same sized external device right? They have to find one to fit the patient. I believe it's the same with the number of pins; the doctors choose the appropriate number depending on the person's leg, although as I've said, it's basically the same, just +-1.

By the way, other veterans can correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh! And I just remembered, I'm not exactly sure but if my memory serves me correctly, it's not the total number of pins that differ but the number in each section. Im saying this 'cause I seem to recall this other patient asking me why we have the same number of pins although in one section (read: part of the tibia), he had more pins than mine. Basically, we had the same number but I had my "extra" located in a different part.

Hope that helps yungchih ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 24, 2011, 02:22:44 AM
You got this ROC! I'm pulling for your buddy! It'll be so worth it in the end!

Thanks Arche, really appreciate it :) It's been hard these past few days... I really am just looking forward to "the end" haha.


man!  Thank you, btw, cause you don't have the rod yet, so...........could you show me the incision cuts (two one each legs for cutting bones) in the pictures?    How do them look like?  hog long? shape?  Appreciated!!!!   ( I think people have problem to post pictures here, so you can email me, yungchih69@hotmail.com)

I will be very grateful for your kindness!

Hey man, here it is:

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/roc_1.jpg)

The other one is below. See the little red splotch with stiches? (I cover both of them with bandage haha)

Hope that helps;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 24, 2011, 02:26:15 AM
Hell Week

(Sept 2nd -6th)

Now again, as every LL experience is unique and dependent on the individual, I can’t speak for everyone but based on what I’ve experienced (so far) and heard from the other patients here, the first week post op is one of the worst weeks you’ll experience in the LL process. Mine was… excruciating. Now, to be honest, I didn’t feel that much pain due to my morphine epidural but everything else was such a pain to do. You can’t eat cause you won’t have the appetite; peeing is a pain (yes, I found it hard using a catheter), and I sh*t you not, pray that you don’t have to take a dump during these days.

One of the most troubling memories I’ve created here was my having to take a sh*t during this week. Now, it’s not as worse as MMT’s breaking the toilet bowl and covering himself in poo (damn… that would’ve been humiliating) but seriously,, it was hard. Because you’re basically a cripple, you have to be carried and wheeled down the bathroom (imagine 2 mobile office chairs; one chair is for your butt cheeks and one chair is for your legs) and once you’re inside, you have to be carefully propped up the toilet without any of your now fragile deadweights bending or falling of the other chair.

(Which reminds me, both the chairs in my room have busted wheels, I have to remind miss Ronne about them, but I digress.)

If you’re scoffing at how sissy-ful (I don’t care if that’s a real word or not) I am, I dare you, when you take your nightly bowel evacuation ritual tonight (or whenever after you’ve read this), try propping up both your straightened legs on a chair or something and see if your waste’ll go down. I DARE YOU. Get back to me on that.

Anyway, those little fun tidbits aside, none of those were really problems actually; they were, if I may, inconveniences you just have to go through. In other words, “hell week” wasn’t really hell because of the pain, or the lack of appetite, or the excrement dumping, it was hell because one single thing:  the restless nights you’ll get.

I have never, in my life, missed sleep so much as I did then (and sadly, I still do.)  Seriously, aside from the occasional pain you may or may not experience, what’ll really break you here is the sleep, or more specifically, the lack of it. Your body needs sleep, period. It needs it to rest, to recover, to grow tall damnit, and with these damn metal braces on your legs, you can’t properly get that. Personally, I sleep on my tummy (and occasionally on my side) and if you’re on those people and plan on getting LL surgery, I suggest you unlearn it now while you can. Also, because our body naturally shifts constantly during sleep, you’ll constantly wake up every hour or so because the frames restrict your legs from moving.

Now if you think this whole section is me ranting my ass off, it’s because it is. This is how I remembered my “hell week” (hence the name, doi) and I refuse to color it all rosy and pink to not scare other people off. In terms of pain tolerance or simple endurance, I believe I can handle my fair share of hardships (I’ve fractured my leg before but thought nothing of it aside from the immediate “f*ck that f*cking hurts”) and though I also admit I’m not as tough as, let’s say, real life soldiers, again, I’m not the most sensitive of guys when it comes to grinding through pain/ hardships.

Hope this helps give a better view on things;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 24, 2011, 02:33:07 AM
First X-Rays w/ Frames!
(I forget the date)
Here are photos of my first x-ray with my frames on. According to the doctors, everything looks pretty good. Keeping my fingers crossed

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/roc_2.jpg)

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/roc_3.jpg)

Just for those who were curious as to what they look like;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SysOp on September 24, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
Great photos Roc. Those frames look solid. Congrats on getting your journey underway. :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 26, 2011, 01:23:54 PM
There, I can see my photos now. Thanks SysOp ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: yungchih69 on September 28, 2011, 01:06:13 AM
There, I can see my photos now. Thanks SysOp ;D


oh, yours is S cut............is that only cut you can choose?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: thatdude on September 28, 2011, 02:33:36 AM
^the doctors will decide whether a single, double or S cut is best for the patient. I guess you can choose to a certain degree to have a single cut if you so desire.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 28, 2011, 05:53:56 AM
As what thatdude said, the doctors choose it for you.

I talked to dr. Ronne about it a few days back actually and it seems like the people here are currently leaning on the S- Cut.

From how I understand it (and I got this info from a cd-rom), the s-cut allows the doctors to cut your bone using a much wider surface area which is beneficial for optimum bone growth. The bigger surface area also allows the bone to grow more steadily and stucturally speaking, it provides a more solid platform for your bones in case of accidents.

For example, think of a pencil:

(http://s3.postimage.org/yo0tq6ugq/pencil_1.jpg)


If the pencil was cut in half using a single cut and then taped together, it's far more easier for the wood to break at the point of the cut when it's "accidentally" bent:

(http://s1.postimage.org/yhdm9jlkq/pencil.jpg)

But using an s-cut, if the said pencil was "accidentally" bent, it structural integrity wouldn't give out as easily:

(http://s3.postimage.org/yo0x19jga/pencil_1_Copy.jpg)


If that wasn't easily understandable, I have failed paraphrasing cd-rom lol.

Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on September 28, 2011, 08:29:04 AM
Good diary, Roc.  Congrat on reaching 1.5cm :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on September 29, 2011, 12:48:32 AM
Hey keep it going Roc! 1.5 cm is a big deal. Just keep at it, and if I can offer you some advice, during your consolidation phase ( if you order it now, you'll probably have it by then) you should use an Exogen 4000. Read up on it, I heard that it can increase recovery time by up to 20%! I know I will use one when I have my surgery in the near future!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: slyly on September 29, 2011, 06:59:56 AM
Good explanation there with the S cut ^^

S cut increases the surface area for healing because of the curves, at the end of the day your bones will heal faster and can withstand more stress

I can't believe you are only 21.  My age.  And you are on your way to your achievements.  I envy you ^^ Keep up with the updates heee


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: yungchih69 on September 30, 2011, 02:04:46 AM

Thanks Arche, really appreciate it :) It's been hard these past few days... I really am just looking forward to "the end" haha.


Hey man, here it is:

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/roc_1.jpg)

The other one is below. See the little red splotch with stiches? (I cover both of them with bandage haha)

Hope that helps;)


Questions:    In generally , there are two incisions for breaking the tibia an fibula.

                  So, one should be in the inner side and closed to the up of tibia and another one should be located at the lower outer side of fibula.   

But I don't know understand why there are 2 incision cuts all together on the same side?     How about the fibula incision?

Do you know what I mean?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on September 30, 2011, 02:11:06 AM
Yungchih,  you are correct.  There is indeed a small cut on a side that this picture is not showing.  This cut is very small that unless you look very close, you wont notice its there at all.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 30, 2011, 03:54:06 AM
Hey keep it going Roc! 1.5 cm is a big deal. Just keep at it, and if I can offer you some advice, during your consolidation phase ( if you order it now, you'll probably have it by then) you should use an Exogen 4000. Read up on it, I heard that it can increase recovery time by up to 20%! I know I will use one when I have my surgery in the near future!

ooohh... what be that? haha. Okay, ill go check it out, thanks for the tip Arche;)


Good explanation there with the S cut ^^

S cut increases the surface area for healing because of the curves, at the end of the day your bones will heal faster and can withstand more stress

I can't believe you are only 21.  My age.  And you are on your way to your achievements.  I envy you ^^ Keep up with the updates heee

Slyly,

Thanks for the ego boost regarding the explanation haha. I really had no idea though and it was cdrom who talked to me about it this one time. That aside, you don't have to envy me man. If you can, book now so I'll have people here with me! (everybody's leaving in a little over a month's time:( )

Best of luck to your own LL journey:)

Good diary, Roc.  Congrat on reaching 1.5cm :)

Thanks cdrom ;D

Yungchih,  you are correct.  There is indeed a small cut on a side that this picture is not showing.  This cut is very small that unless you look very close, you wont notice its there at all.

I didn't even know that... See? these are what the veterans are here for lol


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on September 30, 2011, 04:47:28 AM
The First Stretch

(Sept Something - Time of Writing)

Okay, so I guess I can call these whole phase the "first stretch." All the relevant puns aside, this was supposed to be the time I started settling into a routine and really crawl my way into getting taller. Recently, it's been better (my sleeping's improved) and the pain has subsided. But before all that, let's get more into the details:

(Sept 9 - Sept 15)

Around the time was when the doctors asked me to first start turning (10 days post surgery) and this was also the time I first experienced real pain. For those who've read my earlier posts, one of my earliest rantings were in the "Hell Week" section. Now that I know what I know now (ooohh.. little tongue twister), I take that caption back. That wasn't hell week, "this" was.

I was initially told to turn 5 turns (0.833mm) a day for 7 days. Feeling immune to all the pain I've read about in the other diaries... (seriously, why do we all think we're the exemption), I started sneaking in 6's (1mm) every other day thinking "hey, I'm 21, I'm young, I'm fit, I can handle this" - big mistake. That first week was a real killer for me. Looking back, I don't know why I didn't think of the excess turning as the cause of it but then again, the only think I could think of then was the pain.

My right leg was pretty much okay the whole time aside from the occasional heaviness you experience when you first start turning. My left leg, on the other hand, was the source of my constant misery and anguish. I should've taken photos then (too bad I didn't) but I shi* you not, I had bruises in my legs just from the pain. The bulk of it was around the knee joint area. Prior to my coming here, I used to sleep on my side/tummy and because of that, my legs were used to lying on their sides. But now because of the extra weight of the frames, whenever I would lay my leg sideways, the weight of the steel frames would act against my knee joint, causing it bend in ways it most of you probably know it shouldn't. I'm not sure if you got that but just imagine your knees then. We all know our knees are only meant to bend one way: backwards. But again, due to the weight of the steel frames, whenever I lay my leg sideways (which my body, due to habit, would unconsciously do), the force of gravity acting on the steel frames would force my calf area to bend from the knee joint, causing me excruciating pain.

Now, a lot of you may think I'm just 1) exaggerating it to make it more interesting and/or 2) he simply can't handle pain that much but believe me when I say, this hurt like f**king hell. Now as some of you might've read before, there was this one individual who only got to 1-1.5cm and finally begged the doctors to remove the frame. I remember thinking how much of a pussy he was but around this time, the only thing that kept me from doing the same thing was the thought that "I don't want to be like him." I would literally fall asleep due to the exhaustion of punching my pillows out of frustration. This was not a good time.

I eventually talked to dr. Ronne about it and she told me to simply wait it out... she informed me that this were simply (hah! "simply") the tendons getting stretched initially and it would go away after a certain length...

(Sept 15++ - Now)

Well, here I am. It did work out, eventually. The pain subsided and I can lay on my side without experiencing the same levels of pain (although I still can't lie on my side for an extended period of time without my legs starting to act up again.) This was and is where I started falling into a real routine and actually start to enjoy my stay here. I'd go into the nitty gritties of my experiences here and list some of the things you could do to pass the time in my next post but I just want to end the most valuable lesson I've learned throughout "this" whole ordeal:

You are not the exemption.

Do not come here thinking you won't experiences as much pain as you've read in the other diaries. It doesn't matter if you're young or fit, or whatever advantage you might think you have, it all boils down to luck... you might experience more pain that others because of how your legs are formed. T

This wasn't/isn't meant to scare of potential LLers... I simply want to bring you back down to earth. You will experience pain and it will be mentally challenging...

Just pray that you can pull through it because this will all be worth it.





Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: chlor on October 03, 2011, 03:39:38 AM
Hey Roc,

From your description it seems like the pain you went through in your knee could have been totally avoided if you hadn't tried to lie on your side.  Am I misunderstanding something here?  Not to give you a hard time here, but why did you continue to sleep on your side if it caused you so much pain?

Another question I have is, why did you not take painkillers (if you did, were the pills just not strong enough)?  From what I hear, the most intense pain should come immediately post-op, which is managed through the epidural in your spine.  Then, from that point on, the pain can be managed by proper intake of pain meds.  Please do enlighten us if your own experience with the pain has been vastly different.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 03, 2011, 10:46:20 AM
Hey Roc,

From your description it seems like the pain you went through in your knee could have been totally avoided if you hadn't tried to lie on your side.  Am I misunderstanding something here?  Not to give you a hard time here, but why did you continue to sleep on your side if it caused you so much pain?

Another question I have is, why did you not take painkillers (if you did, were the pills just not strong enough)?  From what I hear, the most intense pain should come immediately post-op, which is managed through the epidural in your spine.  Then, from that point on, the pain can be managed by proper intake of pain meds.  Please do enlighten us if your own experience with the pain has been vastly different.

Hi chlor,

First of all, I'm glad you brought that up. I need to clarify some stuff but before that, just to address your first question:

Yeah, based on my description, I could've avoided the afomentiond pain if I didn't lie on my side but as I've also mentioned, my body was so used to the position that I would sometimes find myself unconsciously shifting due to my body being so used to it. That said, looking back, it wasn't all the side lying that caused the pain.

Now I know this might be confusing but understand that when you're there at that time and you experience pain, you tend to formulate theories as to why you that happens. Again, looking back, because the pain was concentrated around my knee joint, it was for, logical, to think what I did and thus develop that hypothesis but knowing what i know now, I'd have to recant my earlier theory.

Why? Because I've re experienced and am experiencing (it's an on and off thing) the same thing now. There was a time that I consciously lessened my side lying but i still experienced it. Aside from that, there would also be times when I could lie on my side without any pain. Based on that, I conclude that the knee joint pain wasn't due to that but rather on the lengthening process itself. Basically, the nerves inside the knee joint were getting stretched and that caused the pain I described earlier in my post.

Take note though that all these info are anecdotal as I am, of course, not a trained medical personnel but with regards to the revised explanation above, it does coincide with dr. Ronne's explanation (as mentioned in the previous post) so I can say, at least with some level of confidence, that that (and is) the case.

Wow that was a lot. Now to address your second question regarding the pain meds... It's simple really. At that time, I tried my best to avoid them.

Now if you've noticed my usage of "at that time", you can assume I take them now and you are correct. You see, based on my readings around this site, I deduced a simple message: pain meds = not good for growth.

At that time, I was scared of the meds inhibiting my bone formation so I tried my best to avoid them but at some point, I just had to take them cause I seriously couldn't handle it. To be honest, I only started taking pain meds when I happened to skim in his diary that jackolife took a lot too. If he ended up okay, I guess I could suck my pride up and just give in to sweet sweet relief ;)

Thanks for the question chlor. I'm really happy you brought it up the way you did cause that means you were being critical of what I said and you didn't accept it on face value.

Hope these helps;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Mr.Afzayesh on October 03, 2011, 04:47:26 PM
Hey Roc
sorry to hear that you are in so much pain and I wish all will be well with you very soon.
I have a question about nailing in LON method, and I hope you know the answer.
I think doctors should ream inside of the bone, so that the nail could be inserted. I asked this from a doctor and he told me there is no need for reaming and after scanning the bone with CT scan, they will know how much is the intermedullary space and will choose a nail that is proper for me. does it mean that there is a hollow space there?!
I don't have medical knowlege and I know that you don't either, but I always thought that the doctor should ream the bone first, what do you think my friend?
cheers  :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 04, 2011, 02:09:11 AM
Clarifications Regarding Pain

Okay, because a lot of people have been commenting and wishing me luck with regards to the pain I've experienced, I really feel like I need to set the record straight once and for all.

Yes I did experience a lot of pain during the start of the lengthening phase (First Stretch post) but I didn't in the Hell Week one.

I've reread the latter and I think I know why:

" ...I didn’t feel that much pain due to my morphine epidural but everything else was such a pain to do. You can’t eat cause you won’t have the appetite; peeing is a pain (yes, I found it hard using a catheter), and I sh*t you not, pray that you don’t have to take a dump during these days...".. etc. (from Hell Week post)

I was surprised I used "pain" a lot but let it be noted that those were used to describe how much of a hassle they were; not actual, physical pain.

I just felt like I needed to clarify this 'cause I really don't want to seem like the cry baby who rants at every tiny discomfort I experience :-X

So basically, you could say it was my fault because of my choice of words. Things then were such a hassle that it was truly, truly annoying. But in terms of physical pain, no, you could live through it.

Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apatik1 on October 04, 2011, 02:06:30 PM
Haha nice pics Roc! I'm new here and I just started reading your diary and I wish you the best!

I have a question for you, is it true that being muscular and flexible (Like amateur bodybuilder) really helps with recovery and to feel less pain?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 05, 2011, 03:55:02 AM
Hey Roc
sorry to hear that you are in so much pain and I wish all will be well with you very soon.
I have a question about nailing in LON method, and I hope you know the answer.
I think doctors should ream inside of the bone, so that the nail could be inserted. I asked this from a doctor and he told me there is no need for reaming and after scanning the bone with CT scan, they will know how much is the intermedullary space and will choose a nail that is proper for me. does it mean that there is a hollow space there?!
I don't have medical knowlege and I know that you don't either, but I always thought that the doctor should ream the bone first, what do you think my friend?
cheers  :)

Mr.Afzayesh,
To be honest, I dont know much about LON but from simple inference, I suppose it would be the same with LATN except of the timing of the rod insertion. That said, I don't think they "ream" any more than the natural hallow space in there (that answers your question regarding the hollow space btw lol)

Remember, the lower legs have two bones and from what I understand, they insert the rods in between the space of those 2 bones hence they don't need to ream anything else.

If anybody can provide further clarifications or even corrections, please do so. I am in no way trying to give the impression that im an expert on this; there are thousands more who are more knowledgable than me when it comes to LL lol (hello veterans)

Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 05, 2011, 04:01:53 AM
Haha nice pics Roc! I'm new here and I just started reading your diary and I wish you the best!

I have a question for you, is it true that being muscular and flexible (Like amateur bodybuilder) really helps with recovery and to feel less pain?

Hey Apatik1,

Thanks for the encouragement and wishes haha. All the same to you   ;)

Regarding your question, commensensically, it should help right? But based on my readings around the diaries here, that doesn't seem to be the case. I remember one of the vets (was it MMT?) mention that there was a martial artist who had LL but regardless of his tremendous flexibility, the process was still pretty painful for him. That said, it wouldn't hurt to be fit and flexible though right? Haha

The best way to know is to ask the doctors/ medical personnels themselves. If you plan on coming to Beijing, I suggest you ask dr. Ronne herself via email man.

Hope that helps (even just by a bit lol)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: xellbuy on October 05, 2011, 04:30:44 AM
Hi Roc;

Hope you are feeling well and happy.   Tell us how do you like the service from your nurses?  Is there a big language barrier? 

I wish you the best my friend.    :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: chlor on October 05, 2011, 04:54:00 AM
Hey Roc,

I just want to say I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify some of the things you wrote that we readers have bugged you about.  You probably know that we potential LL'ers really hang on to every word or statement you make, trying to envision this process as best we can before/if we take the plunge. 

Based on what you later reflected on the use of painkillers, it seems that the drugs really do an effective job of mitigating much of the pain in the process.  So do you think someone who takes painkillers every chance he gets can get through LL without suffering from pain?  By "every chance he gets" I mean, at every sensation of pain beyond just the basic feeling of discomfort.  I mean, immediately post op there's morphine injected through the epidural, and afterward you can take as many tramadol as you need, so why are there still so many people suffering through the process?  As a case in point, I really have a hard time understanding the case of the former Beijing patient who begged the doctors to take the frames off after lengthening just 1.5cm.  Where were the painkillers then?



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on October 05, 2011, 10:42:52 AM
Hey Roc,

I just want to say I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify some of the things you wrote that we readers have bugged you about.  You probably know that we potential LL'ers really hang on to every word or statement you make, trying to envision this process as best we can before/if we take the plunge.  

Based on what you later reflected on the use of painkillers, it seems that the drugs really do an effective job of mitigating much of the pain in the process.  So do you think someone who takes painkillers every chance he gets can get through LL without suffering from pain?  By "every chance he gets" I mean, at every sensation of pain beyond just the basic feeling of discomfort.  I mean, immediately post op there's morphine injected through the epidural, and afterward you can take as many tramadol as you need, so why are there still so many people suffering through the process?  As a case in point, I really have a hard time understanding the case of the former Beijing patient who begged the doctors to take the frames off after lengthening just 1.5cm.  Where were the painkillers then?

No, you can't avoid completely the pain, unless you take very strong painkillers which however cause a lot of problems to other organs like stomach etc.
Also, when you need to walk or stretch you won't know what you are really capable to do  (because you'll have pain illusions) and may cause a lot of problems by doing more than you can.

LL is a mix of pain, mental and physic.
You can reduce the second but not so much, except you become a junkie and have health some problems (only with strong painkillers which however are the only which can reduce the pain to the maximum level, not at all).
There is a topic which talks about painkillers and problems they cause, so you can see there for more.

LL is something which needs a huge amount of physical and mental strength and only people with these characteristics can do it successfully.
And also, always prefer for the worse and if you are lucky, everything will be easier than you expected (not easy in general).
But if someone hopes to avoid the most of the pain (by using painkillers or simply be lucky), there the reality would be really harsh and usually these people don't go till the end, because they are not really ready for what cosmetic LL really is.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: xellbuy on October 05, 2011, 02:40:33 PM
So can you tell us what are the most painful moments?  Do you experience the most pain when walking? 

How does it feel?  Can you describe it?

Thanks so much.    :)

Quote from: Body Builder link=topic=4141. msg48179#msg48179 date=1317811372
But if someone hopes to avoid the most of the pain (by using painkillers or simply be lucky), there the reality would be really harsh and usually these people don't go till the end, because they are not really ready for what cosmetic LL really is.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 05, 2011, 04:04:18 PM
Correction Regarding Rods

As can be seen above, I tried to give Mr.Afzayesh an explanation on how I thought the rods worked..

I was wrong 8)

He p.m.ed me and apparently, my whole idea on how the rods were placed inside was ungrounded.

Just goes to show how much more knowledgable people there are out there.

Thanks for disabusing my mistaken notion and clarifying that for me Mr.Afzayesh ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 05, 2011, 04:52:21 PM
Body Builder,

Thanks for addressing some of the questions here Body Builder, feels good to have somebody more knowledgable than me on this thread lol.

Hi Roc;

Hope you are feeling well and happy.   Tell us how do you like the service from your nurses?  Is there a big language barrier?  

I wish you the best my friend.    :)


Xellbuy,

Thanks, Ive been feeling pretty good these couple of days actually haha.

The nurses and staff... Hmm.. To be perfectly honest, when I first came here, I expected better.. I mean, they are nurses and you would think whenever you press the nurse button thingy, they'd come running to you (in a manner of speaking, not literally running mind you) 'cause of possible emergencies/ accidents right? But they don't here.

Now, I'm not saying they don't respond. They do, it just usually takes them some time before they get to you. If you can be patient, they'd come eventually (around 10-20 mins maybe?) though there are times when it'll take them quicker. I guess it just depends on how busy they are.

Now I just try to empathize and think of them as well, people who have their own things to do too.  Plus, most of them are actually pretty sweet and nice, don't worry about it ;)

Regarding the language barrier: they're pretty used to foreign patients who can't speak a word of mandarin so don't worry about it. There could be some difficulties at first but with the right hand gestures and pointing at sh*t, you'll get used to it haha.

Hope that helps.

Hey Roc,

I just want to say I really appreciate you taking the time to clarify some of the things you wrote that we readers have bugged you about.  You probably know that we potential LL'ers really hang on to every word or statement you make, trying to envision this process as best we can before/if we take the plunge.
 

Chlor,

Yeah, I get that now and I'll try to be more careful with what I post.  Thanks for that. ;)

Based on what you later reflected on the use of painkillers, it seems that the drugs really do an effective job of mitigating much of the pain in the process.  So do you think someone who takes painkillers every chance he gets can get through LL without suffering from pain?  By "every chance he gets" I mean, at every sensation of pain beyond just the basic feeling of discomfort.  I mean, immediately post op there's morphine injected through the epidural, and afterward you can take as many tramadol as you need, so why are there still so many people suffering through the process?  As a case in point, I really have a hard time understanding the case of the former Beijing patient who begged the doctors to take the frames off after lengthening just 1.5cm.  Where were the painkillers then?

Honestly, I hope I could do that. Pain? Pop a pill haha. This is because according to the other patients here (cdrom & luffy), the easiest phase is the lengthening between 0-3cm. Once you reach around 4-5 and above, that's when the real pain and complications set it.

That said, I'd agree with body builder that you won't totally be able to avoid all pain although the amount of it you experience, or more specifically, the way you perceive it is totally dependent on you.

Now in cases where painkillers are utilized, aside from the strength of your preferred drug (as body byuilder also mentioned) it'll also depend on how well your body reacts to it.

For example, they offer 2 types of pain killers here as of now: tramadol (though in a different name.. Tram-something) and ibuprofen. Based on my experience, tramadol seems to work for me while the other is, well, moody (sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does... Placebo maybe? Meh).

So basically, even with the help of meds, it still boils down to mental strength. Regarding the patient who only lengthened till 1.5cm, I really can't say 'cause MMT (was it him? I think it was him you mentioned it) only wrote about it in passing.

Maybe he had issues with other stuff. For those who do know (members and vets out there) please correct/ inform me on this as I also want to know more about that guy.

Understand that the inputs I provide here are all anecdotal. The best way to garner knowledge is to ask a trained medical personnel. But if it's my insight you're asking for, there they are ;)

Hope that helps Chlor


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Mr.Afzayesh on October 05, 2011, 05:20:36 PM
Quote
Thanks for disabusing my mistaken notion and clarifying that for me Mr.Afzayesh
And thank you for sharing your experiences with us.
I'm sure it will be one hell of a journal!   :D
I wish you the best good luck


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 07, 2011, 04:39:08 AM
Typical Day & General Updates

(Time of Writing)

After a while, the dates won't really matter save from specific milestones and special dates. Eventually, you'll just settle into a routine and hopefully, enjoy it as well.

Personally, I know this'll be my last "summer vacation" (we all know when you start working, the long stretches of vacation days you once got from school goes out the window) and at least as of my writing this, I'm still enjoying it.

So to give you guys an idea out there, here's what a typical day for me would go like:

9am: Wake up. Get up, maybe go for a pee, brush my teeth, generally begin the day.

10am: Very light breakfast (I usually just opt for a glass of milk and maybe a banana.), my first turn accompanied by some in bed exercises (i.e. leg raises and the likes.)

11am: This is usually the time i catch up with my lessons (I doubt anybody that would be stuck in bed for months wouldn't want to do anything productive right? haha)

12pm: Lunch and second turn for the day accompanied by the next set of in bed exercises. I'm a movie person so I usually watch a movie/ catch up with my shows during this time. Hey, you just got to love the simple pleasures of movie meals  ;)

1pm: I continue with the watching. Maybe check my emails, etc.

2pm: Third turn for the day accompanied by the aforementioned exercises.

3pm: I usually just browse the net, read on articles, etc. Wikipedia is fairly amusing; I'm a factoid kind of guy.

4pm: Last turn of the day (usually) accompanied by, as you might have noticed by now, the in bed exercises.

5pm: Continue with passing time, reading, playing, surfing, etc. This is also usually the time when Yang jie comes over and gives me my bao jiao. Got to love it when they massage your feet<3

6pm: Movie dinner and if I feel like sneaking in a turn, this is when I do it. Turning always accompanied by some light exercises for me.

7pm and onwards: I just do my stuff. Read articles etc. until I get sleepy.

1am: Usually the time I get sleepy.

Basically, that's the typical day for me. Of course, there would be variations from day to day. Sometimes, one of the other patients would drop by and we'll just have a chat. Also sometimes, dinner would take place at cdrom's room (they usually order out and eat dinner there.) As of now, I'm still enjoying the food here (really not as bad as I expected) so I don't join them that much. Also, I like my movie meal combos so I usually opt to stay on my bed for meals. lol.

Now some of you might be wondering the striking lack of walking/standing. Truth be told, I'm a lazy son of a beach (wink) and I don't do much haha. I do, however, walk to the restroom every time I need to use it with my walker. The other patients tell me that I should stand more (I know) and I do from time to time, just been real lazy these couple of days.

Now, for the stuff to pass time with, the usuals are given:

Laptops, media players, books, lessons, etc. Basically anything that you might find interesting.

Personally, I find the iPad extremely useful 'cause you really don't want a bulky laptop on your lap the whole day. Try getting one or any other tablet before you come here. Trust me, it'll be worth it.

On that note, for those who're not a fan of Apple products (R.I.P. Steve Jobs... ), the upcoming Kindle Fire looks really good actually:

http://www.google.com.hk/search?rlz=1C1TSND_enPH405PH405&gcx=w&q=kindle+fire&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=zh-TW&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1600&bih=777

This could finally be the tablet that can rival the iPad haha.

Update

Also, just an update. A few weeks ago, they've been renovating the hell out of the corridors and that's caused a lot of disturbance for the patients. Anyway, it's done now and the hallways look honestly great. Here's a photos I snagged a while back:

(http://s1.postimage.org/4cu7lamsu/IMG_0612.jpg)

I tried uploading the other ones but the image hosting site I'm using seems to be off; the photos won't show.

Also, there's been news of new patients coming in. Because of the influx of new patients, luffy and me are suppose to get new roomies now. Now, I personally don't have anything against a room mate; it's nice to have company actually, but to detract from MMT's raving about having a room mate, let me simply present my counter arguments:

It's real simple: privacy.

To be frank, just having a room by yourself is nice because you can do whatever you want. You don't have to put on earphones when watching a movie; you don't have to worry about the air conditioner being to cold/hot for your partner; you don't have to worry about being too loud 'cause you don't want to wake the other person; you can fart any -f*cking- time you want  ;D

And not to mention some other, more... personal stuff you can do *wink wink*

Now although those little issues of privacy would be missed, again, I  really don't have any qualms with having a room mate. I can live without those, I really can. There's just one thing that's really scaring the hell out of me right now about my prospective roomate: snoring  >:(

Dear future roomate,

Please, please by the love of God, don't f*cking snore like a bear. I know I snore myself a bit but it's not like you're going to be in an airport runway here (I've had my bad share of loud snorers in the past.) It's hard enough sleeping alone with metal braces on your legs but multiply that by a jet engine right across the room... /wrist.

That's it. That's my only request. If you're not one, welcome aboard roomie! ;)

Hope these helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: chlor on October 07, 2011, 03:23:46 PM
Roc, you're really funny and reading your posts always gets a few laughs from me here and there.  Thanks. 

Can you tell me about your sleeping?  It seems on your schedule you don't take any time during the day to nap, so I guess you are getting enough sleep at night?  Where is the discomfort/pain that's supposed to be bothering you?

Someone else on the forum described the process as going thru a college finals week, due to the lack of sleep plus stress.  Are you feeling anything quite like that at all?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on October 08, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
Great update Roc!  ;D

To Body Builder, I have a question for you.  I would have sent you a private message but I think I can't because I'm too new here. 
Considering your username, I guess you are quite muscular/flexible and I was wondering if it helps with the LL process (lengthening, recovery, pain, etc. ) ?

Thanks!
I have a strong-muscular torso but my feet, especially my tibias, aren't very big because a lot of LL patients said than big muscles are more resistant to lengthening and I didn't want to risk a lot.
However, still my feet are (a little more) bulkier than of an average person and 9 days after my surgery I don't have major pains and also today I walked (with walker of course) about 10 steps and my feet felt enough strong.
I don't know if gym has something to do, but I just tell what I felt.

However, lengthening phase begins on Monday so this is where I'll see if muscles cause problems and make lengthening harder.
Imo, i think that muscles help in consolidation but makes lengthening a little harder, but I'll know better when I start lengthening and mainly after the first 3-4cm's.



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 10, 2011, 03:06:46 AM
Roc, you're really funny and reading your posts always gets a few laughs from me here and there.  Thanks.
 


Hey Chlor,

Aww, thanks for the compliement; that made me all warm and fuzzy inside hihi:3


Can you tell me about your sleeping?  It seems on your schedule you don't take any time during the day to nap, so I guess you are getting enough sleep at night?  Where is the discomfort/pain that's supposed to be bothering you?


Now on a more serious note, you have to understand that the itinerary I posted isn't set in stone. There are, as i've mentioned, variations (which I have apparently forgot to include) such as:

-Naps (any time you feel like it.)
- Online Chatting (Skype or FaceTime. Basically any means  to catch up with the people home if you're not    
  secretive about your surgery)
- Pin site maintenance (aka. cleaning)
- and all the other stuff you personally do.


Now pain wise, I've been pretty lucky recently and i haven't been experiencing any major pains or discomforts save from the occasional stretch I feel on my legs which is scaring me actually - I haven't even reached the 3cm mark yet (I've always been damn inflexible... I know this was going yo get me sooner or later in life.) Now I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this before (too lazy to actually go through my whole journal) but just to stress it further, the other patients have been telling me that this phase (1-3cm) is the easiest. This is the time when you actually get to enjoy your stay and at times, you wouldn't even feel the metal braces on your legs. Of course, how long this'll last will depend on the individual buy generally, this is the case for the majority of patients.


Someone else on the forum described the process as going thru a college finals week, due to the lack of sleep plus stress.  Are you feeling anything quite like that at all?

As for the stress of the college finals week reference: no. Ask me in a month or two and maybe my answer would change. ;D

To Apatik1,

Thanks haha. And yeah, what BB said

Hope these helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on October 10, 2011, 07:50:21 AM
Hey thanks for this really detailed diary Roc! I would definitely go to Beijing to get CLL if it weren't for the price :/ it's just so much money, and I wanna take a semester off from college to get this done so I don't wanna worry about getting broke and being in a foreign country!

How much did they quote you on prices? Did you have to pay up in full before the whole surgery? What are the living costs?

Anyways, I'm praying that you recover well my man! I really want to get Tibia LL too, and to be honest, I'll admit I'm still in the process of gathering courage. I'm still a little scared haha


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 13, 2011, 06:06:30 AM
Hey thanks for this really detailed diary Roc! I would definitely go to Beijing to get CLL if it weren't for the price :/ it's just so much money, and I wanna take a semester off from college to get this done so I don't wanna worry about getting broke and being in a foreign country!

How much did they quote you on prices? Did you have to pay up in full before the whole surgery? What are the living costs?

Anyways, I'm praying that you recover well my man! I really want to get Tibia LL too, and to be honest, I'll admit I'm still in the process of gathering courage. I'm still a little scared haha

Thanks for the compliments Arche, they're very much appreicated ;)

We paid €24,000 for 5 month's stay with $1500 per additional month of stay. With regards to the other aspects of the finances, my dad handled them so I can't really help you there but I do think you have to pay everything prior to going under the knife. The other/previous patients can correct me if I'm wrong here.

As for the living cost, everything is pretty much inclusive and personally, the only reason you would need to bring extra pocket money are for the times you'd want to eat out/order in, etc.

I totally get that. I doubt nobody has done this without slivers of fear occasionally rearing about. I truly do wish you the best of luck man; you seem real dedicated and (at least to me), the only thing stopping you right now is time. I suggest you finish your college first and focus on getting your finances ready. I know I'm not the most qualified individual to suggest that as I was blessed enough to have my dad want and finance this surgery for me but it'll work out ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: aLx on October 13, 2011, 07:17:59 AM
Great diary; keep it up!

Wish you the best of luck. The journey will be over before you know it.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on October 16, 2011, 05:55:46 AM
Hey man, I can't believe you're already at 2.5 cm! Can you describe to me the lengthening pains? What's it feel like as your turning, and the few minutes after you're done turning? Man it's lucky that you're at Beijing, if I had the money, I would do it, but i'm looking to save 20,000 USD and go to India.

Anyways, how are the other foreign patients at the hospital doing? Have you met all them?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 18, 2011, 04:58:36 AM
Hey man, I can't believe you're already at 2.5 cm! Can you describe to me the lengthening pains? What's it feel like as your turning, and the few minutes after you're done turning? Man it's lucky that you're at Beijing, if I had the money, I would do it, but i'm looking to save 20,000 USD and go to India.

Anyways, how are the other foreign patients at the hospital doing? Have you met all them?

Hey Arche,

There hasn't been a lot of lengthening pains lately but this is probably due to the fact that I haven't lenghtened that much yet.

However, as of 2 days ago, my right leg started getting real stiff and now it hurts whenever I move it (aka. bending and ****.) The pain is concentrated around the back/righ side of my knee (try feeling for your ligament/tendon around at area) and it seems to be getting worse. I'm hoping this is just one of those times when the nerves around the area are hitting the pins and that this eventfully go away (as it did with my left knee around a month ago.)

I've learned my lesson though and as of 4am this morning (I woke up and couldn't fall back to sleep 'cause of the pain) I popped a pill and my God, sweet sweet orgasmic relief:3

Now I know a lot of people initially shy away from the meds 'cause they think it's better to br drug-free and all (I know I shared that sentiment not too long ago) but hey, pain is pain. Don't worry about the possible pain/s you might experience, with the right meds you'll survive.

[rant]
Holy diary mother of cheeses! As of my typing is, my right leg just shot up in pain! Godamnit! f**king ironic isn't it? The nerves around my ankle area (which by the way, I never knew existed until now) went all crazy and started firing electric torture that lasted for around 10 seconds. The problem is, I couldn't do anything about it! Like, you know how when you out of nowhere get cramps and you instinctively stretch to relieve it or like how you suddenly twist yourself in a painful position and you hurriedly adjust your body to negate it? I could do anything about this! I tried moving my leg, adusting my ankle, not breathing... Nothing helped-_- As I've said, it only lasted for a couple of seconds and thankfully it went away on its own.
[/rant]

Seriously, not trying to scare you. Just be ready for some pain.

As for your telling me I'm lucky: yeah. I know. Whenever I'm in hella pain (or more specifically, during the time I'm cursing myself for even doing this because of the pain I just experienced) I just think about all the other people who are striving to save up/ make time to do their lengthening. Good luck man, I truly hope you reach your goals soon;)

Lastly, patients? There are only 4 of us as far as I know and the new person can barely speak English so.. Meh. Come over people? Me and cdrom want to play some f**king poker! Hahaha

Hope these helps (f**king ankle pain, still feel its linger after effects-_-)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: chlor on October 18, 2011, 08:13:19 AM
Hey Roc,  hate to nitpick but I'm just confused about one thing you said that seemed to contradict yourself.  You said not to worry about the pain in LL, because with the right meds we'll survive, but why then did you just now let yourself suffer through that 10 second torture?  Did the med you just popped not take any effect?  Or did you tough it out this time and avoided the meds when you could have gave in? 

Btw your last post was hilarious.  You make the journey sound "interesting" rather than depressing.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 18, 2011, 09:21:36 AM
Hey Roc,  hate to nitpick but I'm just confused about one thing you said that seemed to contradict yourself.  You said not to worry about the pain in LL, because with the right meds we'll survive, but why then did you just now let yourself suffer through that 10 second torture?  Did the med you just popped not take any effect?  Or did you tough it out this time and avoided the meds when you could have gave in? 

Btw your last post was hilarious.  You make the journey sound "interesting" rather than depressing.

Thanks for the compliment man haha.

Don't worry, nitpicking is good; means people actually think (brings me back to those critical thinking classes i had to take in college lol.) Anyway, with regards to your question...

That was different. I can't really explain it. Yes the meds help you with the discomfort/pain but there are times when pain just shoots up randomly:/

Weird I know. I'm not sure if other patients felt this but I do occasionally (more so during my first week of lengthening.) Like, you'd be lying down minding your own business then suddenly a sharp pang of pain shoots through your leg. I remember reading about it in MMT's diary one time. He was asleep and woke up because of it. Now it's pretty painful but it usually just last for half a second so aside from the knee jerk scream it elicits, you"ll think nothing of it afterwards.

Now just to be perfectly clear, earlier, I thought that was it albeit more intense 'cause it lasted for a substantially longer period of time but when I got up to take a leak (I walk), I felt it again when I moved my foot. Guess I must've did something earlier but meh.

Did I say too much? I think I did. But nah, doesn't matter. I'm hyper. Got some milk tea from yesterday and loaded it with sugar. I'm pretty buzzed with sugar rush right now that I'm typing so fast. Omg I am typing fast! Can you read how fast I'm typing!?! Can you tell how fast my typing is by the way you're reading thiss!!??? OH MY GOD I AM TYPING SO f**king FAST!!!


*exhales*



Yeah... Lying in bed, watching movies, drinking obscene amounts of liquid sugar... This is the life.


Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 18, 2011, 10:19:36 AM
Random (/b)

Before anything else, is it still popular using "/b"?? Anyway...

I was surfing the net and I saw this girl:

(http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117009__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-008.jpg)

Her name is Ai Shang Zhen, a pretty popular Chinese model from the looks of it. Here's another photo:

(http://img4.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117003__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-002.jpg)

Now, you must be thinking: "Not that I don't like gratuitous photos of hot, semi nude chicks but, what's up with her that you're posting her here?"

Look at those legs people!

(http://img3.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117010__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-009.jpg)

She's 180cm tall and those legs look like they go down forever

(http://img3.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117023__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-022.jpg)

(http://img4.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117049__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-048.jpg)

(http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117018__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-017.jpg)

To be honest, scarring aside, it crossed my mind that she may have had LL done but hey, maybe I've just been conditioned to think that; being exposed to this site has made a lot of people more sensitive to this kind of stuff. But then again, look at her tibias, t's not very common to see tibias as long as (or almost as long as) an individual's femurs:

(http://img4.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117004__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-003.jpg)

Makes you wonder doesn't it? Now to help you mull over it, here are more gratuitous photos of that long legged made in China goodness:

(http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117045__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-044.jpg)

(http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117005__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-004.jpg)

(http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117031__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-030.jpg)

(http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117032__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-031.jpg)

(http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117036__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-035.jpg)

(http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117047__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-046.jpg)

(http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117052__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-051.jpg)

(http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117058__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-057.jpg)

(http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117059__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-058.jpg)

And my favorite:

(http://img4.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/cache/117061__468x_sexy-ai-shang-zhen-060.jpg)

Enjoy ;)

(source:     http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2011/10/18/ai-shang-zhen-perfect-in-every-respect/     )


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apotheosis on October 18, 2011, 01:43:16 PM
Some people are just born with legs like that. I see a girl every week who jogs in my local park that has proportions similar to this girl. Her legs are ridiculously long. I can't help but stare at her femurs every time I see her.

It is possible this model has had LL, but it's far more likely she just has the genetics for long legs.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on October 18, 2011, 08:26:40 PM
I don't like the legs of this Chinese girl.
She is like a 5.5 girl with legs taken from a 6-6.1 girl and it looks very disproportionate to me.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 20, 2011, 04:04:14 AM
Some people are just born with legs like that. I see a girl every week who jogs in my local park that has proportions similar to this girl. Her legs are ridiculously long. I can't help but stare at her femurs every time I see her.

It is possible this model has had LL, but it's far more likely she just has the genetics for long legs.


Actually, the asking if she had LL was more of an excuse to post her photos hahaaha ;)


I don't like the legs of this Chinese girl.
She is like a 5.5 girl with legs taken from a 6-6.1 girl and it looks very disproportionate to me.

Are you serious?? For a lot of people, long, slim legs are the definition of sexy (although I really am more of a waist / hips ratio person)

Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder huh? If you check out the source site's comment section, their opinions vary from "f**king hot" to "ewww freak" as well (paraphrasing of course)

Okay then ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on October 20, 2011, 06:51:59 PM
I think she's really hot...but definitely not naturally pretty. I could tell she's probably had face work, and definitely had breast augmentation (if not implants). I would know, my uncle is a plastic surgeon.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on October 20, 2011, 06:53:01 PM
Anyways Roc, how's the turning going? How are the other patients? What do you do to pass time?

And another thing, have you asked your doctors about the Exogen 4000? I heard it's a real legitimate treatment. 


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on October 20, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
I'm completely serious. This feet look reall bad imo.

She's worse even than people who already had small torso and did LL both in femurs and tibias.
And if it is natural  that makes things even more weird and ugly...


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: freshmad on October 20, 2011, 11:11:42 PM
Hey there. Hows it going with your operation Roc?. I dont post here very frequently but i will be a new patient undergoing LL in china. i will be arriving the 27th of this month. See you guys =]


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 21, 2011, 02:38:43 AM
I think she's really hot...but definitely not naturally pretty. I could tell she's probably had face work, and definitely had breast augmentation (if not implants). I would know, my uncle is a plastic surgeon.
Hey Arche,

Damn right! haha.

But with regards to the natural thing, i see... that was dancing around my head for a while but I'm not really good at pin pointing those out aside from the obvious round ass boob jobs you see (which I personally find to be a huge turn off.)

Anyways Roc, how's the turning going? How are the other patients? What do you do to pass time?

And another thing, have you asked your doctors about the Exogen 4000? I heard it's a real legitimate treatment. 


Everything's been okay. I'll update my journal in a little while ;)

With regards to the exogen on the other hand, yeah. Actually, I was surprised to learn that at least 2 of the patients here already have one (or has already ordered one.) Its definitely an advantage for after you've removed your frames although admittedly, I haven't personally asked the doctors about it but I don't believe I need to; according to what I've read so far in the web, it is, as you've said, "a real legitimate treatment."


I'm completely serious. This feet look reall bad imo.

She's worse even than people who already had small torso and did LL both in femurs and tibias.
And if it is natural  that makes things even more weird and ugly...

Hey BB,

I cannot believe we're looking at the same woman-_- To each his own hahaha.

How's you're lengthening coming up?


Hey there. Hows it going with your operation Roc?. I dont post here very frequently but i will be a new patient undergoing LL in china. i will be arriving the 27th of this month. See you guys =]

Hey freshmad,

Cool, 27th huh? In that case, you'll probably be either my or luffy's roomy. Tell us more about yourself man. See you soon ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 21, 2011, 03:30:05 AM
3 CENTIMETERS! (and some other minor updates)

(10:45am on the 21st of October, 2011)


Woooot!

As of 10am today (my first turn of the day), I just reached my 3cm count! ;D

To be perfectly clear though, of course I'm pretty much certain I haven't reached a full 3cm height yet without basing it on an x-ray but still, I'm still pretty psyched that I finally reached 3cm on paper.


Now just for general updates:


Latest X-Ray

Here's the last x-ray I took (around 20 days ago)

(http://img1.aznphotos.com/img1/img0691lq2u.jpg)

You can actually see the distraction now which was a real relief for me 'cause at first I was scared I might get early union (everybody's scared of that initially.) Although it was again, a relief to see that my fear was unfounded, another thing came up which totally caught me off guard: my bones aren't growing that well :(

Okay, for the sake of clarity, the doctors didn't really vocalize this concern. When I asked them, all they said my bone growth was "fine" (pshh... "fine"...) but the thing that's got me worried was their then recommendation that I now turn 3.5's (alternating between 4's and 3's) instead of the usual 4's. This is because, according to them, they'd rather see more callous growth (which basing on the x-ray is something I don't have a lot of as of yet.) If you're still not following me, that means my distraction rate has had to be reduced.... which means a longer stay here.

fuc*.

Anyway, let's see how things go this month. I've doubled up my vitamin intake and cdrom was kind enough to hand me some of his vitamins (I was, embarrassingly unprepared nutrition wise.) Hopefully, thing's look better and I can go back to turning at my usual rate.


First Infection

Also, as of 2 days ago, I got my first infection!!! ;D

I know I'm not suppose to be happy but I guess it's relieving somewhat. You know how you know you'll eventually get something but have no idea when; that is f**king frustrating. At least now I know what an infection looks like lol. Also, I suppose mine wasn't that big a deal 'cause I didn't even know I had one before I started cleaning my pins (from what I've heard, you're suppose to know 'cause it'll hurt like hell.)

When I finally saw it, it was kinda swollen and when poked, blood came gushing out (which is better I guess instead of pus.) Basically, mine was almost nothing but blood and when the doctor came in and cleaned it, he said it was very minor and I didn't have to worry about it ;D

Here's a photo of it all bandaged up:

(http://img2.aznphotos.com/img2/img0092gyrl.jpg)

Mind you, the stains around the bed was the cleaning agent, not blood (which was pretty disgusting.)


Killing Time

If some of you are wondering on what to do to pass time... don't go to me asking for advice hahaha.

The thing is, this is, for me, what I consider my last summer vacation. I just finished university prior to coming here and I know that those long stretches of vacations you get in summer, those are going to be a thing of the past for me. This is why I'm doing my best to be the best bum I can be here.

Now now, that doesn't mean I'm totally being unproductive. I'm also taking up some minor lessons here and there just so I won't feel like such a useless loser but that aside, the usual suspects that mostly take up huge chunks of my day are:

1. Surfing (I love my iPad for that.)
2. Watching movies/ series-es (a job for my handy laptop)
3. Reading books (well, e-books hence again, thank you iPad)
3. Socializing (talking with other patients)
4. Getting updated with my friends back home (a select few of my friends know I'm doing this.)
5. Repeat.

I know this might seem boring on paper (and it is sometimes) but personally, I just try to enjoy the free time I have here. I also understand that for some (especially the ones who already have jobs that) this might be hell: doing nothing and being unproductive, but again, sometimes, it feels good waking up knowing you don't have any responsibilities for the rest of day aside from turning and exercising. 

I kid you not, there have been mornings here when I'd just wake up and internally go:

"... fuc*... it's morning already... but I haven't finished that paper yet... shi*... I'm still so sleepyy... one more hour of sleep would be....nice... but my thesis mate is waiting for that piece of the *mumble mumble*.... f**king stre...

wait... paper? *groggily opens eyes and looks around* I'm in China...

I'm doing LL....

I've finished university...

I've finished schooll...

I'VE f**king GRADUATED!!!

*RELIEF WASHES OVER and I fall back to my blissful, stress free sleep.* :)


Basically, for the few people who this can be applied to, if you find yourselves stuck here, just think that you won't be able to relax like this for a very long time again (probably not until you retire) so read up on those books you've always wanted to read; catch up on the movies you've always planned to see; go enjoy waking up and knowing that you're responsibilities, at least for the time being, are a thousand miles away.

Not the most productive lifestyle but hey, everybody deserves a break.


Hope these helps ;)



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on October 21, 2011, 08:31:04 AM
Good to hear ur infection is minor, roc.  Update ur diary often, I need something to read while stuck in be for the next couple of days!

Freshmad, hope to see you soon.  I heard two patients are coming, one is from italy, one from US.  Which one are you?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 21, 2011, 10:28:02 AM
Good to hear ur infection is minor, roc.  Update ur diary often, I need something to read while stuck in be for the next couple of days!

Freshmad, hope to see you soon.  I heard two patients are coming, one is from italy, one from US.  Which one are you?

You're awake!!!

How's everything?

Ive been counting the seconds you'be been asleep :3


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on October 21, 2011, 12:43:51 PM
Been 26hrs since I returned from the operation... Last night was rough for me, probably because I didnt eat or drink too long prior to surgery.  I am feeling better now, however, my feet are completely numb (not good). Hopefully I wil start feeling something once the med cools down.

BB,  good luck on ur Ll journey.  I agree that you shouldnt overwork your upper body.  We want our body to focus on healling the legs instead of elsewhere.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: freshmad on October 22, 2011, 06:18:34 PM
Hey guys. I will be coming the 27th as i stated. I am the patient from the U.S hehe. i am 18 years of age and coming with my mom. She will leave the 10th though. i am about 5 feet 3/4 inches, So i am hoping to lengthen as close to 10 cm as i possibly can. Also i was wondering with the fixator on is it possible to somehow put pressure and sit on your knees, having your legs folded? Idk if you get me but i am Muslim and idk how i will be able to pray=/. Hmm well see i guess. See you guys soon cdrom and Roc and anyone else there =]


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 23, 2011, 02:49:08 AM
Hey guys. I will be coming the 27th as i stated. I am the patient from the U.S hehe. i am 18 years of age and coming with my mom. She will leave the 10th though. i am about 5 feet 3/4 inches, So i am hoping to lengthen as close to 10 cm as i possibly can. Also i was wondering with the fixator on is it possible to somehow put pressure and sit on your knees, having your legs folded? Idk if you get me but i am Muslim and idk how i will be able to pray=/. Hmm well see i guess. See you guys soon cdrom and Roc and anyone else there =]

Damn you're young. Good for you man; the younger the better. That way, you get to enjoy your new height earlier and longer lol.

Now im sure you've had this checked out and that this may be a given but considering your age, I'm still just curious: have you verified if your plates have fused yet? You are young man haha.

With regards to your question, are you pertaining to the lying on the ground and kneeling type of prayer? (I forget what it's called; I'm an ignorant SOB lol) 'cause if that is what you mean, itll depend. Eventually, you should be able to but I doubt you can do it with a full range of motion.

Now if you've noticed, I said "eventually" 'cause itll take some time. Personally, it took me around a month to be able to get on my knees and shi* (on the bed of course.)

During the first week or so post surgery you won't be able to bend your knees  by the way; you'd have to perpetually keep them straight (try shittiing with your legs propped up straight... Bwhahahaaha!) but at some point, yeah, you'll be able to sit down on chairs with them folded so don't worry.


You better know how to play poker man. We need players hahaha.

Good luck ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: freshmad on October 23, 2011, 05:40:32 AM
Hey there. Yup im pretty young=/lol. But i checked my growth plates back when i was 16 and they have closed then. So i should be good.

Also i have no idea how to play poker, maybe you could teach me and well play hehe. I was thinking if anyone there plays Video games?. Could bring my Playstation 3 along. Only have Call of Duty Black Ops and Nba 2k10 though. Let me know guys.

By the looks of it i probably will be stuck only in bed not being able to move much, that would suck. i hope my mom doesn't freak out though and decides to stay with me throughout my stay.

Btw how old are you Roc? Will i be the youngest there? I am only 18 and about 5 feet 1 and getting 10cm would really help me. So i decided to get it done as early as i could. =]

See you guys soon on the 27th =]


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 23, 2011, 07:11:21 AM
Hey there. Yup im pretty young=/lol. But i checked my growth plates back when i was 16 and they have closed then. So i should be good.

Also i have no idea how to play poker, maybe you could teach me and well play hehe. I was thinking if anyone there plays Video games?. Could bring my Playstation 3 along. Only have Call of Duty Black Ops and Nba 2k10 though. Let me know guys.

By the looks of it i probably will be stuck only in bed not being able to move much, that would suck. i hope my mom doesn't freak out though and decides to stay with me throughout my stay.

Btw how old are you Roc? Will i be the youngest there? I am only 18 and about 5 feet 1 and getting 10cm would really help me. So i decided to get it done as early as i could. =]

See you guys soon on the 27th =]

Oooh ps3, dammit, wish you had those fighting genres (tekken, etc), I'm more more adept at those.


I'm 21 man. As far as I know you'd be the youngest (I only know the foreign ones)

Good luck


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Mr.Afzayesh on October 23, 2011, 08:27:13 AM
I know it's a little late guys and I'm sorry for that, but she is hoooooot!!!!!  :D
I think I'm in love with the third pic. ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: crazy+6 on October 23, 2011, 08:34:24 AM
I know it's a little late guys and I'm sorry for that, but she is hoooooot!!!!!  :D
I think I'm in love with the third pic. ;D

What about pic in Bikni ? ;) :D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Mr.Afzayesh on October 23, 2011, 08:45:27 AM
all three of them are good.
we should thanks god for creating her and for creating the ones who create bikini  :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 23, 2011, 09:19:10 AM
Lol, I know right?  ;)

I still prefer the birthday suit though *wink wink*


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on October 23, 2011, 10:05:46 AM
Freshmad, u prolly have a list of things to bring already.  However, if u dont have an ipad, i recommend you get one before departure.  It will help you greatly during the time here.  Your sanity here will depend on it.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 27, 2011, 09:05:14 AM
Information Regarding Post Lengthening Complications



I was skimming across MMT a few days ago and two specific post lengthening complications that supposedly occurred to previous patients here in Beijing (read Halo's diary) grabbed my attention. These are namely:

1) The supposed development of X-legs post second surgery in tibial lengthening and
2) The validity of possibly losing height post second surgery in tibial lengthening.

Now instead of browsing for more information on this site or posting and waiting for veterans to reply, I opted for the arguably, best method of addressing these concerns: I asked dr. Ronne.

After first consulting with dr. Peng, the head physician here, she came back to me after a few days and then discussed the above. The following will be my trying to relay that message as accurately as possible although admittedly, it is inevitable for some information to get distorted due to errors in translation, etc.


1) The supposed development of X-legs post second surgery in tibial lengthening

(An example of X-legs. Also, take note that this is not a photograph of an actual case here but merely an example of what the condition looks like.)
(http://www.dreamomania.com/dreamdictionary/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/knock-knees-x-ray-x-legs.jpg)

Now I first came across this reading Halo(?)'s diary and of course, I got concerned. When asked about it, dr. Ronne affirmed that it does happen albeit rarely (fortunately.) Of course, now you're thinking "what if this happens to me??" For the innately paranoid (including me, hence my asking about it) and the people who do develop it, this is the explanation:

Now as we all know, after the removal of the frames follows the redevelopment and regrowth of the muscle tissues in the calves to make up for their atrophy during the lengthening stage. But what only a few people know is that the outer part of the calf muscles develop faster and stronger the the inner part. You see, based on what I gleaned from the good doctor, the calves have two major muscle groups: one situated on the inner side (think of your inner thighs. Got it? It's simply the lower legs' equivalent of that) and one located on the outer part (the part directly opposite the former side.) Basically, the faster hypertrophy of the outer side causes the said muscle group to more strongly pull on your legs outward (as opposed to the opposite side pulling inward) causing the complication concerned.

Of course, knowing what causes it is good and all but what you really want is to know how to prevent it. This was her response:

When you finally stopped lengthening and are about to get your frames removed, the doctors confirm your end alignment and ask you how you would prefer your legs (slight bowing, etc.) Now, armed with the knowledge of the X-leg formation, what the doctors do is they ever so slightly bend your lower legs inward to compensate for the eventual development of the aforementioned complication. That's it. If I understood correctly, according to dr. Ronne, the complication usually just occurs to people who ask for extremely straight legs post surgery without taking into account the possibility of the X-legs forming.


2) The validity of possibly losing height post second surgery in tibial lengthening.

Okay, this is a big one. You spend months on end on a bed, crippled, in pain, homesick, and ever so slightly bored just to lengthen to your desired height and then you find out you might lose a portion of that hard earned height?? Of course you want to confirm this one. Now, for those who remember MMT advocating the impossibility of this due to the locking of metal rods inside either while or post surgery (LON or LATN), I would like to respectfully disagree and consequently disabuse this notion.

According to dr. Ronne, there have been instances where this has happened. How? By the premature placement of significant weight on the legs. Now as MMT explained it, this is, again, impossible due to the metal rods "locking the height" but, although the metal rods are indeed strong, it is still susceptible to bending.

Based on how dr. Ronne explained it, this is caused by putting too much stress on legs whose bones have yet to adequately solidify. Simply put, due to the still low density of bone formation, when a significant enough weight is introduced, the rods take the bulk of the stress and this can cause bending, making you lose height.

That explained, how can this be prevented? Simple: allocate enough time for your tibias to acquire sufficient amount of bone density before trying to put weight on them. We all more or less know our own rate of bone growth thanks to the fairly regular X-rays and based on them, we can, with the advice of the doctors, create a rough timeline for estimating how long before standing and the likes can be performed.

That's it. If any veterans know more about this, please do add your insights. Also, for the few people who have experienced any of the two, please share your experiences and, if possible, provide 1) what caused it for you and 2) how was this issue addressed.

I'll try to create a thread dedicated to this topic as well.

Hope these helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on October 27, 2011, 03:47:38 PM
Hey Roc how is everything coming along? Are you getting enough exercise? Where are you in terms of aggregate amount lengthened, and how is the potential development of ballerina looking for you?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 28, 2011, 03:06:08 AM
Thoughts Regarding the Possible Complications Post


I've been messaged by one of the members thanking me for "exposing the darker side of the clinic." The person continued with how "brave enough" I was given how some previous patients refuse to write negative notes on this clinic for fear of possible negative treatment if the news reach any of the staff here.

Truth be told, the message surprised me; I didn't expect that kind of reaction. Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate the compliments (lol) but i have to clarify that that wasn't my reason or intention for posting them.

I know many of you didn't read the post in that light but I suppose it is inevitable that some may think that way. That's good actually, being critical and always reading the subjective outputs here (aka: journals) with a grain of salt but at the very start of my journal I promised that I would be as objective as possible and i believe that objectivity includes defending any unwarranted vilification i may have inadvertently caused.

The Institute of External Fixation here in Beijing (at least according to other diaries) has always been the place to go for LL patients who want to minimize whatever risks they may acquire due to the place's stable track record. Two months in, i believe so too. While the place is definitely not a 4-5 star hotel (included in that is the concern that some of maids and nurses here are slow to respond sometimes, as I've written about before) the expertise you get in terms of LL related complications is, I believe, top notch.  The medical personnels here know what they're doing and can adequately address any problem.
 
Now because of the tone of the above mentioned message, it seemed to me that the member who sent it believed that the institute was pro-actively   "scouring" the diaries and because of that, a lot of patients tend to downplay the negative sides. Now I have no doubt some of the personnels here read what's posted about them from time to time (it's called ego; ever tried googling your name? Lol) but I for one, find that to be a good thing rather than bad.

This board, in the most simplest sense, is meant for the dessimation of information but secondly, it gives the listed facilities accountabilty. The journals provide a voice either for or against a specific institute and instead of fearing possible negative treatment, I say it encourages them to better themselves.

Don't forget, with regards to my posting, the person who gave me the info was dr. Ronne herself. If she really didn't want to defame the place, she could've just denied it or said those were special cases but, from what you've seen above, she seriuosly assessed my questions and even took the time to consult with dr Peng before explaining them to me.

In conclusion, I don't want people to think that this place hides or downplays errors (which is actually a natural human trait.) Whatever this institute lacks in terms of facility and non medical related service (I really just can't get over that lol), this place makes up for the peace of mind you get regarding the best medical expertise and care.

Hope this clarifies stuff.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 28, 2011, 03:22:55 AM
Hey Roc how is everything coming along? Are you getting enough exercise? Where are you in terms of aggregate amount lengthened, and how is the potential development of ballerina looking for you?

hey arche,

I'm good. Pain is rare now although I had my legs adjusted a few days ago and I can't walk again for the mean time ('cause of the pain when I do lol. I'll give it a few more days.

Im 3.5cm in (yay!) and exercise wise, I do some stretching but honestly, I'm a lazy sob so not that much hahaha.

I am getting some slight bending I guess but I can still stand straight and shiz, not that much to worry about ;)



Hope these helps ;)



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on November 06, 2011, 04:01:53 PM
Roc, how have you been buddy? You haven't updated us in a long time, how's the lengthening going?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 08, 2011, 11:14:24 AM
Long Stretch Part 2

(Last post - the foreseeable, God damn future)



Okay, it's been some time now since I've last updated my post. Reason? No particular reason at all.

Wait, actually, that reason of "not having a reason" is, in a way, indeed a "reason" in itself.

Confused? Let me put it this way:

It's been f**king boring.


I guess it is fitting that I call this segment the Long Stretch part 2 (plus, just think of all the wonderful little puns you can associate with that :>). I mean, aside from something actually happening to me today (more on that later on), things have been pretty uneventful and there really isn't much to talk about.

The days here merge into one bewildering blob of... well... bewildering days (fuc* you, i'm not in my intellectual writing mood right now.) Unless you're the type of person who gets psyched up by every fraction of a millimeter you turn, the novelties of distracting eventually wear off and you'll find yourself stuck with more incoming, seemingly endless glop of time.

That aside, things here aren't as bad as the above paragraphs may sound.

For one, I'm still loving the food here. Of course, eventually, you'll get sick of your old favorites but as long as you're not afraid to try the other cuisines the chef here has to offer, you'll live (although, this is me solely speaking for myself as the other patients here are, and I quote: "really sick of the food here man.") So a tip from me to you: Don't be afraid of variety. Also, the chef here is... well, a chef. They can pretty much make you anything you want with the adequate instructions (and of course, if your request is within proper reason.)

That actually gives me an idea: I should do a segment about the foods here. I'll let that simmer in my headpan for now...


Moving on:

What else?... Oh, the new guy freshmad has had his surgery and he's currently still resting now. I won't say much about the dude aside from the few lines after this sentence cause he might want to preserve his privacy so I'll leave it at that. He is a fighter though, if I may say. It looks like the past few days have been tough for him but it looks like he'll pull through. If you pass by this journal man, good luck. Also, listen to your mom; lady's been crazy worried about you. (ahhh... momsssss)


Anyway, as I've mentioned above, something did happen to me today. Technically, it's happened or has been happening for a long time now but today was the day I found out. What is it you ask? I have a second infection :/

The area around one of my pin sites have been pretty tender for the past week or so but I've always thought nothing of it. Because I remember (at least, I think I remembered... memory's a bitc*) having a similar pain around the area before, I assumed it was the same thing and let the fucker be, thinking the tenderness was just the nerves around the pin getting hit and that it would go away soon enough as it did before.

Now during one of our usual standing exercises out on the hallway (well, technically, its luffy and cdrom's exercise time, I just sneak in hihi) I voiced out the aforementioned tenderness. Cdrom, for whatever reason the gods put on his blessed, blessed head, took note of this and asked to take a look.

(note: the following will be my rendition of how cdrom [hopefully] saved my leg written in Greek inspired mythology)




Upon seeing with his practiced eye the cursed affliction the bowels of Tartarus had unleased on my tender, metal stricken flesh, the sagely cdrom prompted me to have my limb checked by the wise men in white robes. Due to Apollo's chariot already passing across the heavens, I feared that these wise men might have already retired for the day. I quickly summoned my trusty maid, Yang Jie and had her verify their presence as I, in my lonely, red, velvet chariot, waited.


(http://www.netfurniture.co.uk/shop/images/thumbs/t_redofficechair0feb.jpg)
(My Red Chariot)



Days seemingly passed until she came back with the news. "You (there is)" she said, "you yi ge yi sheng hai zai (one of the wise men is still here.)" Hastily, I had her draw my blood hued ride (as she also was my ever helpful, chariot drawer) and off to the last of the wise men we journeyed.


(http://clephas.nl/wp-content/gallery/tongariro/rotk_mount_doom_poster_l.jpg)
(The journey was kinda like this, only with Sam pulling me the whole tim.... Wait... on second thought, the journey was exactly the same.)

Upon our arrival, he scrutinized over the wound and with his finger, prodded it to gauge my reaction. After pain was confirmed, he muttered something indiscernible to my maid and off I was taken into the Temple of Recovery. Upon propping me up the high altar, he proceeded with preparing and arranging his many utensils and ointments; each as menacing and intimidating as the one before it. A few moments passed this way and at last when the last of the wise men seemed satisfied he placed an elixir I could only assume was magically crafted for healing beside the altar with a satisfied grin. It was then he proceeded with thongs and went inside my wound. Yes it was painful, but not blindingly so. The man was skilled in his art and from the way he handled my injured, I understood he knew what he was doing. After a few minutes of taking out these demon specks out the miniature hole in my metal pierced flesh, he covered it with a white cloth doused in his magical elixir.

All I can do now is pray and hope the gods hear them.

(http://img1.aznphotos.com/img1/untitledpruk.png)
(fuc*!)


Hope these help ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on November 08, 2011, 12:51:03 PM
Hahaha, love your greek mythology story of your journey to cure infected pin site!  I didnt know that much happened during the whole 10minutes you was gone :p. Your red chariot is awesome, but I still prefer my black steed.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on November 09, 2011, 08:39:14 PM
Hey Roc, how do you feel your weight has fluctuated throughout this endeavor? There have been quite frequent remarks on this forum pertaining to total weight fluctuation. I remember an old diary I read (I cannot recall whose diary...) where the individual lengthening commented how during the initial phases of lengthening, his weight dropped quite tremendously. Can you please comment on this phenomenon? Did you personally rapidly lose weight (not only in your legs obviously, but total weight)? How did the doctors describe weight loss? Can you physically see your body becoming thinner?

Thank you, as always.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 10, 2011, 08:20:46 PM
Pain

It's been a long time since I've felt this but here it is again... Mind blowing pain..

It's 4 f**king am and I can't sleep and ve been shifting and rolling arounr my bed for hours...

My left leg is throbbing either because of the infection, distracting, or some other inexplicable, compounding variables (i.e. nerve contact, etc)...

I just wanted to make a quick post about this. So far whenever Ive posted, I've always been in a pretty cheerful mood due to my talking about my experience in the past tense...

Here i am now "real time" and I want to f**king tear my left leg off...

I've since popped in my second tramadol cause ive found that one couldn't stave off the feeling enough...

I'll hopefully fall asleep a little later...

Just a cold reminder how everything isnt just fun and games here...


Good, freaking morning


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on November 10, 2011, 08:24:54 PM
Awww, I guess I am not alone being awake at 4:00am today.  My feet are killing me too man.  Hope you'll feel better soon.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 11, 2011, 01:17:16 AM
Hey Roc, how do you feel your weight has fluctuated throughout this endeavor? There have been quite frequent remarks on this forum pertaining to total weight fluctuation. I remember an old diary I read (I cannot recall whose diary...) where the individual lengthening commented how during the initial phases of lengthening, his weight dropped quite tremendously. Can you please comment on this phenomenon? Did you personally rapidly lose weight (not only in your legs obviously, but total weight)? How did the doctors describe weight loss? Can you physically see your body becoming thinner?

Thank you, as always.


Errr... I've seen other patients who have (I'm looking at you cdrom... You sexy bastard) but personally, no. In fact, my maid has even commented on how I might've gained weight (fuc*!) lol (Im liking the food here too much I guess)

Basically, although it seems to be fairly common to lose weight while undergoing this procedure, it all boils down to the individual.

Hope that helps ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on November 11, 2011, 01:40:56 AM
I lost a lot of weight too but I like it because I have been trying to lose weight.  ;D

Losing weight has nothing to do with lengthening though.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 24, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
Update

infection

I've finally gotten over my infection!

Yeah, I know I haven't been posting about it. To give you a quick summary though:

I got it around the first days of Nov and it's been festering on my leg for at least a week before I had the inclination to finally have it checked out. As can be read from the post above, I simply dismisssed the pain as the pin cutting my skin and it wasn't until cdrom saw it that it got addressed.

Following that has been intense f**king pain.


Now we all know how we're  suppose to straighten your legs as much as possible (and that's good and all) but eventually, there'd be times you'd have to "take a break" and simply curl it up for a second or 2; you know, to get the blood flowing or something (just try staying still for hours at a time and you'll get what I mean)

Anyway, the infection (which was conveniently located around my knee) didn't allow me to bend my leg; it hurt too much. For almost 2 weeks, I wasn't able to move my left knee at all without leaving a stream of curses (and at occasions) tiny little sobs of unmanlinessn- I'm sure Luffy can attest to that haha

What sucked was it started hurting AFTER I started getting it cleared out.

For the first 2-3 days the doctors simply dismissed it as a minor infection and left it after some cleaning and dressing - pain started showing up.

After some constant complaining on my part (and checking the wound when they changed the dressing) they gave me oral antibiotics, dismissing my request of IV drips as unessecary - pain exacerbated.....

Around 3 days of now acid f**king pain had passed (see my "pain" post), seeing that the wound was NOT healing accompanied by my now near frantic worrying of course - I was finally relegated to IV drips - a medication they had to use for 6 days straight to FINALLY clear out the little bugger.


Seriously, I was scared - I was afraid I'd lose my freaking leg or something >.<


Here's some photos of the infection a few weeks ago (note: not for the squirmish):

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/photo1.jpg)

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/photo2.jpg)

Routine and Comment?


That aside, we've pretty much developed a consistent routine here. We being the foreign patients. Basically, twice a day, once in the morning and once in the evening, we'd go out and stand.

It's personally been helping me - my ballerina has gotten pretty bad due to my inability to stand while clearing out my infectuon - and i feel much "looser" now than I did before we started.


One thing im starting to worry about though is my proportions.

Long, detailed thoughts aside, here's a photo:

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/IMG_0252.jpg)
I'm at 2" there (the gap below the blue knobs is around 2"), think I can pull off one more?

Here's a second photo taken just 2-3 days after that. It better shows the actual length of my legs now cause the first one was taken from a higher vantage point. Notice the slight x-legging; that's normal apparently. They said that should be fixed at the second surgery

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/photo.jpg)

I'd love to hear thoughts on these  :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on November 24, 2011, 09:17:57 PM
Great update Roc!
I hope that the tough days have gone and from now and on you will be better and better.

What about X legs you mentioned at the end?
Why did it happen (personally, I don't see anything bad but you know) and also what is the solution?
The second operation you said is for the frame removal?

Keep strong mate!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: LeJon on November 26, 2011, 10:00:38 AM
Nice update Roc.  I was really pumped to do the surgery next year but after seeing your post regarding Post Lengthening Complications, i gotta think more carefully. . .

Btw, could you rehost the images on your last post at a different filehosting site? I can't seem to be able to view it due to file not found from too many views/used too many bandwidth.  Thanks


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 26, 2011, 11:56:58 AM
Great update Roc!
I hope that the tough days have gone and from now and on you will be better and better.

What about X legs you mentioned at the end?
Why did it happen (personally, I don't see anything bad but you know) and also what is the solution?
The second operation you said is for the frame removal?

Keep strong mate!

Yup, the can easily fix it on the second operation (frame removal)

I don't really know why it happens though, probably with the way your legs stretch with the frames on (lol, so vague)

Nice update Roc.  I was really pumped to do the surgery next year but after seeing your post regarding Post Lengthening Complications, i gotta think more carefully. . .

Btw, could you rehost the images on your last post at a different filehosting site? I can't seem to be able to view it due to file not found from too many views/used too many bandwidth.  Thanks

Don't worry about the complications that much. I forgot to mention, they give you braces to wear afterwards so to avoid developing x-legs. As long as you're not stupid and put a lot of weight right after the surgery, don't worry.

SysOp just rehosted the photos. They should be up. ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 27, 2011, 01:11:53 AM
There, photos are fixed. Thanks SysOp  ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on November 29, 2011, 05:09:41 PM
I'm banned :D


China IP lol don't know why. Just saying


Please fix it SysOp


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Update


Just a small update since nothing's really changed


I'm at 6cm right now and with my re-assessed goals, I'm good with 7cm.

I had the doctors measure my femur and tibias and with 7cm, I'll still have a slightly shorter tibia (which is normal) so I'll b happy with that


Okay, actually, the main point if my writing this is because I wantEd to say this;

Don't be afraid to take pain killers:D


Just a few days ago it's been getting real hard and shi* after passing 6cm; ballerina and knee bending (not to mention the pain of passive stretching)

Finally, I gave in and started taking tramadols... I'm so happy right now:D


I'm slightly buzzed which is okay but with them, I'm not cranky anymore, I become more productive, and I stand more! (best exercise)


Just wanted to say that to possible future LLers haha

Peace out ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: chlor on December 06, 2011, 09:34:36 AM
Thanks for the update Roc.  I'm curious, at what point does taking painkillers actually have a significant effect on your recovery?  Have any of the Guangji doctors been able to comment on that?

Also how's the renovation at the hospital going?  Have any of the new facility been used yet?  Any new staff or patients?  Good luck with you.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apotheosis on December 06, 2011, 11:40:34 AM

I'm at 6cm right now and with my re-assessed goals, I'm good with 7cm.

I had the doctors measure my femur and tibias and with 7cm, I'll still have a slightly shorter tibia (which is normal) so I'll b happy with that

Okay, actually, the main point if my writing this is because I wantEd to say this;

Don't be afraid to take pain killers:D

Hey Roc,

I hope you post photos of you at 7 cm so that all of us here can opine about whether you should go farther. After looking at the photos of you standing with your frames on a few days ago, I think you definitely could go past 7 cm.

Painkillers are good. They make such a difference. They were the difference between me being able forced to stop at 6 cm and forging ahead to do 9.86 cm on my femurs.

Cheers
Apotheosis


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 06, 2011, 11:49:52 AM
Thanks for the update Roc.  I'm curious, at what point does taking painkillers actually have a significant effect on your recovery?  Have any of the Guangji doctors been able to comment on that?

Also how's the renovation at the hospital going?  Have any of the new facility been used yet?  Any new staff or patients?  Good luck with you.

It's suppose to inhibit bone growth and the doctors' official stance is to not take it if possible but as long as you don't take too much, you shouldn't have to worry. Moreover, bone growth isn't really a problem in LL anyway, what you're suppose to be really worried about is the stretching of the soft tissues. Bone will come eventually (special cases aside of course) but the hard part is the stretching (also, there's anecdotal evidence of a patient here taking 4 tramadols a day with good bone growth so..).

Simply put, pain (especially passive, chronic pain) can drive you insane. It saps your will to do anything, so if you can eliminate or at least reduce it, be happy.

Renovation wise, I'm not sure about any new equipments but at least aesthetically speaking, this wing looks way better than before. This of course is limited to the hallways, offices, etc. they've yet to do squat in any patient I know's room.

As I mentioned before, this place is perfectly adequate... But that's it: "adequate"

After seeing the photos in other countries' LL place (was it Germany) I was envious, haha.

Hope that helps :D

(still pretty happy with the pain killers) :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 06, 2011, 11:53:30 AM
Hey Roc,

I hope you post photos of you at 7 cm so that all of us here can opine about whether you should go farther. After looking at the photos of you standing with your frames on a few days ago, I think you definitely could go past 7 cm.

Painkillers are good. They make such a difference. They were the difference between me being able forced to stop at 6 cm and forging ahead to do 9.86 cm on my femurs.

Cheers
Apotheosis

Yeah, pain killers really do help past 6. Thanks for the advice. As for the photo, okay, I'll remember that. Although if I am going past 7cm, 7.5 is my limit proportion wise (I calculated my femur/ tibia ratio and with 7.5, they'd be more or less equal.)


Good luck on your second journey Apotheosis! I'm following your diary, post more full body photos!:D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on December 06, 2011, 06:52:09 PM
Hey man finally good to hear from you! You'll be much happier once you get done with this whole operation, your new height will make you feel like a whole new person! Anyways, how's your ballerina coming along? Is there any way to completely avoid it? Also, how much have you been turning lately? 0.86? 0.66?

Thanks Roc! Best of wishes! 7 cm is a BIG number!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 09, 2011, 12:22:31 PM
Hey man finally good to hear from you! You'll be much happier once you get done with this whole operation, your new height will make you feel like a whole new person! Anyways, how's your ballerina coming along? Is there any way to completely avoid it? Also, how much have you been turning lately? 0.86? 0.66?

Thanks Roc! Best of wishes! 7 cm is a BIG number!

Yeah, can't really see it now since I didn't really put into mind my surroundings when I first got here for reference but hopefully I'll feel that when I get back home. That aside, I do feel taller so that's at least good

Ballerina is getting worse everyday even though I've been standing a lot; it's to be expected though and I'm not really worried about it, I'm finishing soon anyway as of now, im only trying to prevent more ballerina.

My turning rate has been pretty consistent the last couple of weeks: mostly .666 but once every 6 days maybe I sneak in a 5, nothing much


I'll post photos of my new proportions soon ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: LeJon on December 15, 2011, 04:33:16 AM
Nice update.  From your picture, you seem to be above 170cm before surgery?

Btw, so what have you been doing during the couple of days when you wake up till bedtime and are you able to get a full sleep now or its still uncomfortable?
PC games, Youtube Videos, Books?

Lastly, im going there mid next year. . . Do you know if i should book now for appointment or there isn't any waiting time for surgery? Thanks


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 15, 2011, 08:34:05 AM
Nice update.  From your picture, you seem to be above 170cm before surgery?

Btw, so what have you been doing during the couple of days when you wake up till bedtime and are you able to get a full sleep now or its still uncomfortable?
PC games, Youtube Videos, Books?

Lastly, im going there mid next year. . . Do you know if i should book now for appointment or there isn't any waiting time for surgery? Thanks


Nah, I guess I just look tall in photos haha

Sleep is better; I finally gave in and just sleep with my legs curled. Issues from that aside, at least I can look forward to sleeping now. also, the tramadols help

But i didnt really nswer your question now did I? Yeah, eventually, you'll sleep better I suppose seeing how I only wake up once every night now to pee. After that, i usually fall asleep right after (but again, I'm not sure if it's the tramadols doing the job lol)

Yeah, I do a lot of those stuff, games, reading, etc. lately I've been exercising more which has made me feel a lot better

Overall, everythings getting pretty good especially cause I know I'll be stopping soon. My only peeve is Im experiencing extreme stretching now on my left leg; It feels like a nerve is about to tear -_-

Not too worried about it though cause again, I'll be stopping soon anyway, just a few more mm.


Regarding your appointment, I'd suggest book it asap. Who knows, prices might go up and at least if you book early you get to pay the cheaper, earlier rates;)

Goodluck lejon


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 15, 2011, 08:40:05 AM


Just want to give a huge shutout to CDROM who just left today!!

 Your journey in China is over!!! Best of luck on your recovery and thanks for making all our LL experiences here more memorable!!



We'll miss you man!:D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Fezzy on December 15, 2011, 09:17:16 AM
Heyy Roc :D

Firstly, hats off to you man, seriously. I'm a newbie here and I've been reading your post/blog for like 2 hours or so now and it was intresting :) Although it did make me feel queasy at times, I'm still quite happy to do LL whenever I have the chance :)

I feel like coming to Beijing now to play poker with you now ;) lol

Gosh, just hang in there man! lol.. Just hope it gets alot more easier.
Is your dad and uncle still with you in Beijing?

Couldn't believe that it was your dad who recommended it! Luckkyyy
I still have to convince my mom :(


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: LeJon on December 15, 2011, 10:40:56 AM
Yeah, you do look above 170cm tall in the picture. . . Have you seen any guys who are above 170cm doing this surgery? And do you think its safe to bring an ipad there?

Btw, about the appointment, if i book on February, will the operation will be done on February too? Thanks :) Best of luck in your recovery



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on December 15, 2011, 06:46:03 PM
Thx Roc, soon it will be your turn too.  I will be following your diary closely, keep us up-to-date on your status, man.  Take care and keep in touch.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 16, 2011, 01:41:37 AM
Heyy Roc :D

Firstly, hats off to you man, seriously. I'm a newbie here and I've been reading your post/blog for like 2 hours or so now and it was intresting :) Although it did make me feel queasy at times, I'm still quite happy to do LL whenever I have the chance :)

I feel like coming to Beijing now to play poker with you now ;) lol

Gosh, just hang in there man! lol.. Just hope it gets alot more easier.
Is your dad and uncle still with you in Beijing?

Couldn't believe that it was your dad who recommended it! Luckkyyy
I still have to convince my mom :(

Aww, thanks man, I really apprrciate the compliments. Actually, the main reason I still even update this journal is to inform people like you. I keep on telling myself that if only I can help one person here to better understand LL, this is all worth it;)

(I'm getting lazy updating this that's why lol)

If you can come soon, do come. We're stuck with just 3 more English speaking foreign patients here and 1 is leaving soon so it'll get lonely fast haha.

Good luck on convincing your parents dude, my dad and uncle left me months ago but the more support you have from your fam, the better;)

Yeah, you do look above 170cm tall in the picture. . . Have you seen any guys who are above 170cm doing this surgery? And do you think its safe to bring an ipad there?

Btw, about the appointment, if i book on February, will the operation will be done on February too? Thanks :) Best of luck in your recovery



Yo lejon,

Currently, there is one above above 170 (he did his femurs too) but there have been loads who's done it before that were way taller so I don't think you should worry about that.

iPad wise, no problem man, am using one right now hahaha (actually, if you read my whole journal, I mentioned how important the iPad was for my survival here; I need this rectangular piece of glass and aluminum like water here lol)

Seriously, suggestion to potential LLers, get a tablet of any kind. Laptops are too bulky on your bed and tablets are just perfect for in-bed use.


Regarding your appointment, again, as early as possible. I remember I started contacting the hospital more than 6 months before I came here so if you plan on doing it on feb, better contact them now;)

Best regards


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: RZ on December 16, 2011, 02:29:15 AM
I enjoy reading your diary keep it up man.

We got similar measurements so I'm really interested in how things turn out for you.

Stay strong and good luck.

May the force be with you.



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 16, 2011, 02:52:53 AM
Thx Roc, soon it will be your turn too.  I will be following your diary closely, keep us up-to-date on your status, man.  Take care and keep in touch.

Oooh you must be safely back now since you have net.

Good to know you didn't die or anything during your trip hahaha.

Take care cdrom;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 16, 2011, 02:54:07 AM
I enjoy reading your diary keep it up man.

We got similar measurements so I'm really interested in how things turn out for you.

Stay strong and good luck.

May the force be with you.



Lol, loved the starwars reference. Thanks man, you too


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: LeJon on December 16, 2011, 09:57:36 AM
Thanks for the reply.  :)

Do you know hows the patient that came back for corrective surgery is currently doing in HALO's thread? Did they manage to regain their expected height?

Just wana confirm with you about the appointment. . . Did you went for an appointment to china 6 months before your surgery and paid them the full amount first then 6 months later, you went back to china to do your surgery without paying at all? Thanks again!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Fezzy on December 16, 2011, 12:53:37 PM
Aww, thanks man, I really apprrciate the compliments. Actually, the main reason I still even update this journal is to inform people like you. I keep on telling myself that if only I can help one person here to better understand LL, this is all worth it;)

(I'm getting lazy updating this that's why lol)

If you can come soon, do come. We're stuck with just 3 more English speaking foreign patients here and 1 is leaving soon so it'll get lonely fast haha.

Good luck on convincing your parents dude, my dad and uncle left me months ago but the more support you have from your fam, the better;)



Hahaha..How long have you got left now?
I feel like coming in February...But I got so much on at the moment that IF I do have the LL in February (thats when I have an audition) or just after February, it might clash with my plans in going to an acting school in September :S

Arghh dilemma's! dilemma's! dilemma's!

Is your dad coming back to collect you or are you gonna be a lone soldier all the way back home?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: crazy+6 on December 16, 2011, 01:42:23 PM
Hahaha..How long have you got left now?
I feel like coming in February...But I got so much on at the moment that IF I do have the LL in February (thats when I have an audition) or just after February, it might clash with my plans in going to an acting school in September :S

Arghh dilemma's! dilemma's! dilemma's!

Is your dad coming back to collect you or are you gonna be a lone soldier all the way back home?

Seems you are going for audition in that best talent program  ;)

Am I right :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Fezzy on December 16, 2011, 02:08:17 PM
Best talent programme?  ???

Lool no..It's an audition to get in to the acting school/uni :) which I think starts in September :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: crazy+6 on December 16, 2011, 03:33:43 PM
Best talent programme?  ???

Lool no..It's an audition to get in to the acting school/uni :) which I think starts in September :)

lol ok  ;) ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 17, 2011, 02:58:34 PM
Thanks for the reply.  :)

Do you know hows the patient that came back for corrective surgery is currently doing in HALO's thread? Did they manage to regain their expected height?

Just wana confirm with you about the appointment. . . Did you went for an appointment to china 6 months before your surgery and paid them the full amount first then 6 months later, you went back to china to do your surgery without paying at all? Thanks again!!

Nope, unfortunately, I didn't meet the guy personally but I think (if I remember correctly), Ronne mentioned something about the person recovering (though of course you expect them to say that.) I really can't give you a definite answer on that one haha

And again, no. I basically started emailing Ronne a little more than 6 months before I came here. By the time I arrived, I was set and shi* and that was also the time any payment was made;)

No worries man, I'm happy to help in anyway I can ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 17, 2011, 03:03:58 PM
Hahaha..How long have you got left now?
I feel like coming in February...But I got so much on at the moment that IF I do have the LL in February (thats when I have an audition) or just after February, it might clash with my plans in going to an acting school in September :S

Arghh dilemma's! dilemma's! dilemma's!

Is your dad coming back to collect you or are you gonna be a lone soldier all the way back home?

Fezzy,

I should be around 6.5 right now. My X-ray is on Monday, I'll get my exact measurements then.

Just my 2 cent's worth, if you plan on doing this, do this as soon as possible. Also, don't forget the taller you are, the better your chances are at acting school (come on, you know aesthetics play a role in EVERYTHING lol)

As for my going back home, not sure yet. I'll probably go home alone - an idea I find both daunting and exhilarating cause I have yet to ride an intenational flight by myself.

It doesn't help that I'll be a cripple still by that time too haha

Good luck man;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on December 17, 2011, 03:16:17 PM
Roc,

Dont worry about the flight too much.  Let me say this, I travel alone a lot, and I have to say, being cripple actually helps.  Why?  You will receive special service and ger to cut all the lines :).  I feel bad to think of this, but I actually want to pretend to be crippled from now on to receive these perks :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: chlor on December 18, 2011, 02:30:00 AM
Hey Roc,

Can you do me a favor and ask Ronne if during the initial op, the patient can elect to stay awake rather than be put to sleep (general anesthesia)?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 18, 2011, 11:31:12 AM
Roc,

Dont worry about the flight too much.  Let me say this, I travel alone a lot, and I have to say, being cripple actually helps.  Why?  You will receive special service and ger to cut all the lines :).  I feel bad to think of this, but I actually want to pretend to be crippled from now on to receive these perks :)

Lol, I'll keep that in mind. Did they bump you up an to a higher class btw?

Hey Roc,

Can you do me a favor and ask Ronne if during the initial op, the patient can elect to stay awake rather than be put to sleep (general anesthesia)?

I'll ask when I see her ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 18, 2011, 11:42:21 AM
My Proportions Now



Today is the 100th day of my lengthening and (depending on my X-ray measurents tomorrow), also my last. I should be 6.5cm right now but I'll confirm that tomorrow. Can't wait......

Here's a photo taken with the help of my roomie Luffy :

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/images.jpg)




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SysOp on December 18, 2011, 11:56:26 PM
Your proportions look absolutely fine Roc. It's hard to tell because of your long shirt and long shorts, but it definitely looks like you could do a little more if you wanted. Congrats on 100 days of lengthening. :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on December 19, 2011, 03:32:55 PM
Why did you decide to stop at 6,5 cm mate?
I thought your initial target was more than 8cm!

Did you have any unbearable pains, or major problems with achilles tendon or knees, or you are happy with the result and don't want to lose more time?

6,5 cm is a great gain of course, but I'd like to know the exact reasons you stopped here.

Also, how is your ballerina?

Keep strong!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on December 19, 2011, 08:09:06 PM
Hey Roc, can you take some photos of the facility/hospital itself? I am wondering because a few months ago you said that they renovated the halls and other parts of the hospital. So I was wondering if we could get a few more photos of the room/halls/dining halls/courtyards/etc. Beijing is truly on top with their lengthening. I recently made the decision that I can't go to India anymore because I looked at their frames, and it surely wasn't something I would want around my legs for months at a time. Beijing also has a good track record as well. I wouldn't want to go over 6 cm (like Luffy) because I think the more you go over 5 cm the more chance for complications. The price is surely a big concern (but honestly you pay for what you get) but i'll just work harder to save up. Anyways, are you in consolidation now?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 20, 2011, 07:27:39 AM
Update

Finally got my X-ray yesterday and my measurents were:

Right leg: 6.3cm
Left Leg:  6.8cm

Those being the case, I've decided to go to 7cm XD

I'll be stopping my left leg by tomorrow maybe and I'll just catch up with my right.

Thing though is, I've been very undecided recently. Based on the photo, do you guys think I could go 7.5? It's only a week in my books and I don't care about the time/ etc. My only concern are my proportions and more specifically, my arm length in contrast to my new height.


Basically, im asking you guys if i could do 5mm more. Opinions would be greatly appreciated :D




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 20, 2011, 10:40:53 AM
Your proportions look absolutely fine Roc. It's hard to tell because of your long shirt and long shorts, but it definitely looks like you could do a little more if you wanted. Congrats on 100 days of lengthening. :)

Thanks:) I'll try to upload a photo with more revealing clothes then *wink wink*



Why did you decide to stop at 6,5 cm mate?
I thought your initial target was more than 8cm!

Did you have any unbearable pains, or major problems with achilles tendon or knees, or you are happy with the result and don't want to lose more time?

6,5 cm is a great gain of course, but I'd like to know the exact reasons you stopped here.

Also, how is your ballerina?

Keep strong!

I don't have major pains "now" if that's what you're asking but before I had extreme difficulties with first, my knees, and then my mind blowing infection (and then knees again resulting from that).

As posted above, my goal is now back to 7cm (and maybe more.) Reasons for my stopping at 7cm though instead of my earlier proposed 8.5cm is due to proportion concerns althoigh I'd be lying that if i didn't include that it is real hard now and I'm now dependent on pain meds to not go insane (physical pain and sanity)

Ballerina wise, I have them now but they go down after around a minute of standing so I'm not that worried since I'm almost done anyway ;)

Thanks BB, best of luck man!


Hey Roc, can you take some photos of the facility/hospital itself? I am wondering because a few months ago you said that they renovated the halls and other parts of the hospital. So I was wondering if we could get a few more photos of the room/halls/dining halls/courtyards/etc. Beijing is truly on top with their lengthening. I recently made the decision that I can't go to India anymore because I looked at their frames, and it surely wasn't something I would want around my legs for months at a time. Beijing also has a good track record as well. I wouldn't want to go over 6 cm (like Luffy) because I think the more you go over 5 cm the more chance for complications. The price is surely a big concern (but honestly you pay for what you get) but i'll just work harder to save up. Anyways, are you in consolidation now?


It honestly hasn't changed much. From the outside (at least our wing), it looks best down as ever but the insides pretty nice and more modern looking now (they painted the walls, tiles some places, fixed up the doctor's office) although those are about all the changes you can find: esthetics. In terms of equipement, i dont think there's anything new.

Ill snag some photos when I can man, but I ain't promising anything lol (remmwbr? Lazy sob) but seriously, nothing's really changed from the previous photos taken by me and other LLers.

(the nurses seem to be getting cuter though haha)

Good luck;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on December 20, 2011, 10:51:40 AM
Hey I would stick to 7 cm. The recovery would be faster, and thanks for thinking about taking photos. I don't know if you read the other diaries, but upon seeing the frames they use in other countries, you should be especially glad you have nice ones! Your frames look downright luxurious compared to the metal contraptions they have in other countries. I hope you have a fast recovery! Also, try and use the Exogen 4000. I know i've told you before, but my brother fractured his ankle, and within 4.5 weeks he was fully recovered after using the Exogen 4000 while putting no weight on his ankle.

Anyways, best of luck, and one day hopefully I'll be in Beijing too! I'm hoping in the next 1.5 years. I would probably take a gap semester from college.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 20, 2011, 12:44:30 PM
Hey I would stick to 7 cm. The recovery would be faster, and thanks for thinking about taking photos. I don't know if you read the other diaries, but upon seeing the frames they use in other countries, you should be especially glad you have nice ones! Your frames look downright luxurious compared to the metal contraptions they have in other countries. I hope you have a fast recovery! Also, try and use the Exogen 4000. I know i've told you before, but my brother fractured his ankle, and within 4.5 weeks he was fully recovered after using the Exogen 4000 while putting no weight on his ankle.

Anyways, best of luck, and one day hopefully I'll be in Beijing too! I'm hoping in the next 1.5 years. I would probably take a gap semester from college.

Just a correction, I meant "it looks beaten down as ever" hahaha


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on December 20, 2011, 12:52:24 PM


I don't have major pains "now"
if that's what you're asking but before I had extreme difficulties with first, my knees, and then my mind blowing infection (and then knees again resulting from that).

As posted above, my goal is now back to 7cm (and maybe more.) Reasons for my stopping at 7cm though instead of my earlier proposed 8.5cm is due to proportion concerns althoigh I'd be lying that if i didn't include that it is real hard now and I'm now dependent on pain meds to not go insane (physical pain and sanity)

Ballerina wise, I have them now but they go down after around a minute of standing so I'm not that worried since I'm almost done anyway ;)

Thanks BB, best of luck man!

I didn't understand how much the pain level is.
In the beginning you said you don't have major pains. Do you mean with the use of strong painkillers?
Because then you say that you are depended on meds.

Your ballerina seems pretty good and you'll fix it easily after lengthening.

So, if the pain is manageable I really think you should reach at least 7cm because maybe in the future you'll regret stopping earlier than that.
Also, don't take proportions so serious, because nobody would spot any difference between, lets say, 6,5-7,5 cm.
It is just only 1cm, it wouldn't ruin your proportions.

Of course, you know better your body's limits.
I am just trying to encourage you because I am sure I'd be in your position in about 1,5 month (when I reach 7cm) and I'd like someone to encourage me to continue a little more.

My best wishes!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on December 20, 2011, 01:13:34 PM
I have wanted to post some pictures of the new hall. Will post them soon  ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 20, 2011, 01:34:33 PM
I didn't understand how much the pain level is.
In the beginning you said you don't have major pains. Do you mean with the use of strong painkillers?
Because then you say that you are depended on meds.

Your ballerina seems pretty good and you'll fix it easily after lengthening.

So, if the pain is manageable I really think you should reach at least 7cm because maybe in the future you'll regret stopping earlier than that.
Also, don't take proportions so serious, because nobody would spot any difference between, lets say, 6,5-7,5 cm.
It is just only 1cm, it wouldn't ruin your proportions.

Of course, you know better your body's limits.
I am just trying to encourage you because I am sure I'd be in your position in about 1,5 month (when I reach 7cm) and I'd like someone to encourage me to continue a little more.

My best wishes!

Okay, to clarify the pain thing:

Around my first week of lengthening maybe (too lazy to check journal myself lol) I had extreme pains (7/10) to the point that I regretted coming here. As I've mentioned before, looking back, I should've jug taken more meds but I didn't hence my agony.

Then it became better until I got my major infection which put me at f**king 9/10. I'm serious.i felt like acid f**king piss was eating around the sides of my pin hole and there was nothing I could do about it (cause tramadols didn't really work against that kind of pain I guess) but to wait for it to subside.

Now, Im getting the paid associated with past 5cm lengthening (5/10?) and it really saps my mood to do anything, let alone exercise, but with the help of meds, I'm happy enough so I'm pretty good now ;)

Regarding my proportions, based on my photo above, so you "do" think I can go for more?

Thanks man, appreciate the feedback ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 20, 2011, 02:01:09 PM
Visa Extension

Went out today to have my visa extended.

Beijing is f**king cold as (the opposite of) hell >:( I DID NOT bring enough clothes damnit.

The moment I left the warmth of my wing to get to the car, cold wind slammed on my metal laden legs and body -_-

The car ride was okay but a piece of advice to potential LLers here: bring motion sickness meds. Their driver here, the one who usually picks up patients from the airport and brings you around and shi*, can't f**king drive. Dont get me wrong, hes nice and all but he doesn't seem to know how to smoothly use the breaks and I had car sickness the whole 2 hour, back and forth trip.

At first I assumed it was just me. Being in the hospital for months, maybe I just wasn't used to riding in cars anymore  but apparently, dr Ronne (who helped me with my Visa Extension), got sick as well.

Actually, "helped me with my visa extension" is an understatement. Basically, doe your second extension, you just go there and show yourself, maybe snap a photo, and she does "everything" else for you. That said, if you see this( thanks dr Ronne:)

That was about it. It's pretty cool being in wheelchair too I guess, people seem to give you priority and special treatment haha. Overall, if it wasn't for the cold and awful driving, it would've  been a nice break to get out of the hospital again and see Beijing the city.

Also, it's pretty cool for me too I guess since south east asian countries don't really gets winter so it's a change of pace. Hey, I may finally get my first white Christmas :D

(okay, maybe sexy, "yellow" Christmas ;) )

(http://www.cellphone-wallpapers.net/Wallpapers/Iphone/Sexy/sexy-asian-christmas.jpg)

Happy holidays everyone!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on December 20, 2011, 02:10:42 PM
Okay, to clarify the pain thing:

Around my first week of lengthening maybe (too lazy to check journal myself lol) I had extreme pains (7/10) to the point that I regretted coming here. As I've mentioned before, looking back, I should've jug taken more meds but I didn't hence my agony.

Then it became better until I got my major infection which put me at f**king 9/10. I'm serious.i felt like acid f**king piss was eating around the sides of my pin hole and there was nothing I could do about it (cause tramadols didn't really work against that kind of pain I guess) but to wait for it to subside.

Now, Im getting the paid associated with past 5cm lengthening (5/10?) and it really saps my mood to do anything, let alone exercise, but with the help of meds, I'm happy enough so I'm pretty good now ;)

Regarding my proportions, based on my photo above, so you "do" think I can go for more?

Thanks man, appreciate the feedback ;)
Thanx for the clarification mate!

Yes, I think you are still good proportioned and can easily get 1-2 cm without been disproportional, but I suggest you to not go over 7,5 cm, not for proportions but because this is usually the safe limit.
This doesn't mean that you can't reach more (like LL warrior aka Crazy 6 did) but I think 7,5cm is a great gain for tibias and you should stay there to be sure.
However, if your condition is good enough, of course you can continue a little more.

So I think you should continue a little.
I am sure your proportions would be fine!

I have a last question.
What is your distraction rate the last days? Have you reduced it in comparison to 2-3 weeks before or you keep it stable without problems?
 


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on December 20, 2011, 03:04:45 PM

Also, it's pretty cool for me too I guess since south east asian countries don't really gets winter so it's a change of pace. Hey, I may finally get my first white Christmas :D

(okay, maybe sexy, "yellow" Christmas ;) )

(http://www.cellphone-wallpapers.net/Wallpapers/Iphone/Sexy/sexy-asian-christmas.jpg)

Happy holidays everyone!

We should ask the nurses to dress like that for the holidays   ;D haha


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 21, 2011, 12:58:44 PM
Hey I would stick to 7 cm. The recovery would be faster, and thanks for thinking about taking photos. I don't know if you read the other diaries, but upon seeing the frames they use in other countries, you should be especially glad you have nice ones! Your frames look downright luxurious compared to the metal contraptions they have in other countries. I hope you have a fast recovery! Also, try and use the Exogen 4000. I know i've told you before, but my brother fractured his ankle, and within 4.5 weeks he was fully recovered after using the Exogen 4000 while putting no weight on his ankle.

Anyways, best of luck, and one day hopefully I'll be in Beijing too! I'm hoping in the next 1.5 years. I would probably take a gap semester from college.

Hey arche,

Luffy took some photos of the hallway, just visit is diary:

http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,3941.100/topicseen.html


(credits to my roomie Luffy ;) )


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 21, 2011, 12:59:38 PM
We should ask the nurses to dress like that for the holidays   ;D haha

Yeah, they'll dress like that after you leave

BWAHHAHAA

cheers man ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on December 21, 2011, 05:06:11 PM
Yeah, they'll dress like that after you leave

BWAHHAHAA

cheers man ;)

If they do, I want pictures!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 24, 2011, 12:00:26 PM
If they do, I want pictures!

As if:))



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 24, 2011, 12:05:55 PM
LUUUFFFYYY

Just a shout to the best room mate in the world! Best of luck Luffy!!

I've said this last night and I'll say it again: "good journey man.. Good journey ;)" (yes, with the wink)


Take care my old friend. Have a safe flight home and see you in a year or so ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on December 24, 2011, 12:40:40 PM

I have a last question.
What is your distraction rate the last days? Have you reduced it in comparison to 2-3 weeks before or you keep it stable without problems?
 
Roc, could you please answer this question?

I'd like to know a few things about your final distraction rate (last 2-3 weeks until the end of lengthening).
Cheers.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on December 24, 2011, 07:48:05 PM
Thanks Roc  ;D

I just arrived at Canada and waiting to flight home . The flight was actually more comfortable than the flight to China because I got 2 seats at the windows by myself so I could move around and put my legs up.

Good luck with the rest of your journey Roc . And good luck to all other patients too. I will miss Beijing  ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on December 25, 2011, 05:22:04 AM
HAPPY HOLIDAYS ROC! I'm new to the forum and I've really enjoyed your journal entries. 


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 25, 2011, 07:48:50 AM
Roc, could you please answer this question?

I'd like to know a few things about your final distraction rate (last 2-3 weeks until the end of lengthening).
Cheers.

Hey man,

Must've missed that. No difference man.. Wait, actually, I'm turning faster now on the leg I'm trying to catch up on (0.833 to 1.000mm a day at times, normal is 0.666) cause I'm eager to finish lenghtening haha. Pain wise, I just take meds for it; I'm about to finish anyway lol

Just for clarifications sake, I stopped at 7cm on my left leg so when my right reaches this. I'll probably get an mm or 2 while consolidating due to the pins bending back to their original place but aside from that, I'm done  ;D


Good luck BB! In a few more months you'll be done as well haha

May the force be with you my muscular friend ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 25, 2011, 07:50:50 AM
Thanks Roc  ;D

I just arrived at Canada and waiting to flight home . The flight was actually more comfortable than the flight to China because I got 2 seats at the windows by myself so I could move around and put my legs up.

Good luck with the rest of your journey Roc . And good luck to all other patients too. I will miss Beijing  ;D

Lucky bastard haha.

Thanks man, you must be back by now, enjoy your new set of wheels!;)

(oh btw, what did your  brother say?? HAHAHA)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 25, 2011, 07:52:29 AM
HAPPY HOLIDAYS ROC! I'm new to the forum and I've really enjoyed your journal entries. 

Thanks man, appreciate the compliment ;)

Happy Holidays! :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on December 25, 2011, 10:25:19 AM
Hey Roc, could you take a few more pictures of your frames? Possibly at different angles? Thanks man, I'm currently decided whether I should save money and go to Beijing (which has been proven time and time again) or go to Germany and get LON with Dr.Betz. Thanks again!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on December 25, 2011, 12:35:24 PM
My brother didn't say anything. He just a bit skeptical about my long term effects. I want my brother to get taller too but I still don't know if I should reccomend him to do this or not  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on December 25, 2011, 10:17:39 PM
Hey man,

Must've missed that. No difference man.. Wait, actually, I'm turning faster now on the leg I'm trying to catch up on (0.833 to 1.000mm a day at times, normal is 0.666) cause I'm eager to finish lenghtening haha. Pain wise, I just take meds for it; I'm about to finish anyway lol

Just for clarifications sake, I stopped at 7cm on my left leg so when my right reaches this. I'll probably get an mm or 2 while consolidating due to the pins bending back to their original place but aside from that, I'm done  ;D


Good luck BB! In a few more months you'll be done as well haha

May the force be with you my muscular friend ;)
Thanx for the answer dude!

Good luck with your consolidation and I am sure you'll be fine.
The dark side is always powerful... ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on December 27, 2011, 03:43:59 AM
Hey Roc, can you take some more pictures of the food? (If you're on the American menu...) I know I've asked a lot from you, but you've been nothing but excellent to me! Thanks again.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 28, 2011, 12:48:41 PM
Hey Roc, can you take some more pictures of the food? (If you're on the American menu...) I know I've asked a lot from you, but you've been nothing but excellent to me! Thanks again.

I'll try to get a photo of my food tomorrow along with the menu.

Cheers mate!

(look at me sounding all Australian and shi* lol)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SysOp on December 28, 2011, 07:54:29 PM
Turning wise, I just stopped today! :D

7.05cm (0.5mm just cause you scared me you bastard).

Hey Roc. Before you stop lengthening forever, can you post a photo of you in boxers so we can see your overall proportions and give you our opinion about them? 7.05 cm is a great length, but you might be able to push on a little more, and I want to see if our opinions can help you in that regard.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 29, 2011, 03:48:25 AM
Hey Roc. Before you stop lengthening forever, can you post a photo of you in boxers so we can see your overall proportions and give you our opinion about them? 7.05 cm is a great length, but you might be able to push on a little more, and I want to see if our opinions can help you in that regard.

Ooh, okay. I'll try to post one asap. Thanks SysOp ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 29, 2011, 09:17:07 AM
My End Proportions

Here are my final proportions:

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/DSC_0223.jpg)

Basically, total lengthening is 7.05cm. Took me 110 days total to reach this and finally, I'm done.

As SysOp suggested, comments would be appreciated ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: freshmad on December 29, 2011, 01:43:16 PM
I don't know if my iPod will post this, as I have been trying to post on your diary, but it doesnt let me. =[
Anyways you are so damn loud dude , I can hear you screaming. LOL.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SysOp on December 29, 2011, 03:49:49 PM
Basically, total lengthening is 7.05cm. Took me 110 days total to reach this and finally, I'm done.

As SysOp suggested, comments would be appreciated ;)

You look great Roc. I have to tell you, you have fairly long femurs, a long torso, and long arms. I think you could definitely do a little more on your tibias and you would look completely fine.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on December 29, 2011, 05:28:55 PM
Perfect proportions in my opinion, you had long femurs and long torso, lucky guy! I agree with SyOp, your tibias could be even longer (but i wouldn't dare to lenght more, 7cm it's a big lenghtening)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 29, 2011, 07:44:35 PM
I don't know if my iPod will post this, as I have been trying to post on your diary, but it doesnt let me. =[
Anyways you are so damn loud dude , I can hear you screaming. LOL.


Wtf, I was just talking to my mom. Weird.

Okay, thanks for the heads up ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 29, 2011, 08:32:08 PM
Perfect proportions in my opinion, you had long femurs and long torso, lucky guy! I agree with SyOp, your tibias could be even longer (but i wouldn't dare to lenght more, 7cm it's a big lenghtening)

You look great Roc. I have to tell you, you have fairly long femurs, a long torso, and long arms. I think you could definitely do a little more on your tibias and you would look completely fine.

Thanks for the opinions:D

True, I can lengthen more based on my torso and femurs but the reason I stopped is 'cause of my wingspan.

Measured, it was only 162 (161.5 first time) so based on the "ideal", I'm 6cm deficit. If I wasnt so short I would've stopped earlier actually (a 5cm diffence sounds comforting enough lol) but to be honest, the photos do look fine. I'll have it measured again tomorrow cause 162 doesn't look right. As SysOp said, "before I stopped lenghtening forever"  ;)

Thanks again. More opinions people:D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: andrewshizzles on December 29, 2011, 09:27:06 PM
Thanks for the opinions:D

True, I can lengthen more based on my torso and femurs but the reason I stopped is 'cause of my wingspan.

Measured, it was only 162 (161.5 first time) so based on the "ideal", I'm 6cm deficit. If I wasnt so short I would've stopped earlier actually (a 5cm diffence sounds comforting enough lol) but to be honest, the photos do look fine. I'll have it measured again tomorrow cause 162 doesn't look right. As SysOp said, "before I stopped lenghtening forever"  ;)

Thanks again. More opinions people:D

I have to agree with SysOp. From the photos your proportions still look ok and you can do more lengthening...
No-one is really going to notice that your arms are a bit short relative to your height..
All those wingspan, height numbers are just that: numbers. In reality you will still look fine with a lil bit more LL.
If you don't have any tibia problems like ballerina's foot, you might as well snatch that extra 1-2cm off the table.  :) lol...


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SysOp on December 29, 2011, 09:29:09 PM
I've always thought that arm length makes more of a difference with proportions when doing femur lengthening than it does for tibia lengthening. This is because no matter how long you lengthen your tibias, your arms still rest on the same place on your upper leg. I think torso length makes more of a difference here, and you have a long torso.

Did you ever see the photos of Craig49 after all of his lengthenings and corrections? He lengthened to 10 cm over his wingspan, and he looks completely fine. Mysteryman also did the same thing. He is now 10 cm taller than his wingspan and he looks fine too.

Mysteryman: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,250.msg3878.html#msg3878
Craig49: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,3467.msg48445.html#msg48445


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 29, 2011, 09:37:29 PM
I'll take a look at the photos. Thanks, I haven't seen those yet ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Temoc on December 30, 2011, 03:43:18 AM
I've always thought that arm length makes more of a difference with proportions when doing femur lengthening than it does for tibia lengthening. This is because no matter how long you lengthen your tibias, your arms still rest on the same place on your upper leg. I think torso length makes more of a difference here, and you have a long torso.

Did you ever see the photos of Craig49 after all of his lengthenings and corrections? He lengthened to 10 cm over his wingspan, and he looks completely fine. Mysteryman also did the same thing. He is now 10 cm taller than his wingspan and he looks fine too.

Mysteryman: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,250.msg3878.html#msg3878
Craig49: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,3467.msg48445.html#msg48445

Yeah, I've thought the same, if you length your femur too much your arms will end on your hip level(exaggeration) and that will look really weird.
While tibia doesn't have this problem.
It's interesting that my hands reach almost to my knees, so maybe doing femurs would be ok to me, I gotta take an x-ray and see the real length of my femurs vs tibia, because I have the impression they're a little short.

Anyway Roc proportions look really good and I think he could add some more centimeters proportion-wise, but there are of course the other problems with lengthening.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 30, 2011, 04:13:35 AM
Friend's Proportions

My friend freshmad here wants to know what the other members think of his proportions too

Hes 3cm in in these photos and he's adamant on doing 10 (obstinate bastard lol)

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/c9440ba3.jpg)

Shutout to SysOp too btw for being an awesome mod. This guy (or girl) even took his time to talk to me regarding my lengthening so I can maximize my gains here. Thanks SysOp ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 30, 2011, 04:17:06 AM
Yeah, I've thought the same, if you length your femur too much your arms will end on your hip level(exaggeration) and that will look really weird.
While tibia doesn't have this problem.
It's interesting that my hands reach almost to my knees, so maybe doing femurs would be ok to me, I gotta take an x-ray and see the real length of my femurs vs tibia, because I have the impression they're a little short.

Anyway Roc proportions look really good and I think he could add some more centimeters proportion-wise, but there are of course the other problems with lengthening.

Wow, to your knees.. Damn. How tall are you man? Also your wingspan if you know

Anyway, I have no problems with the complications (theyre pretty minor for me now) so basically the only factor stopping me from lengtening more is my wingspan. Thanks for the feedback temoc, appreciate it ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Temoc on December 30, 2011, 08:07:34 AM
ALMOST to my knees haha
178cm/5'10''(yes,yes,I'm tall, as I discussed in another thread...my reasons for RESEARCHING about LL are more due to being one the shortest males in my family) , 190cm(6'3'') wingspan...
Thing is, wingspan is not a very accurate measurement, it takes in account your chest. So people with broad chests have big wingspans
I have a very narrow chest, I got the classical ectomorphic body type, like a small basketball player hahaha
I enjoy boxing and muay thai and in these sports having long arms is really valued so you will end up meeting tons of fighters that have gigantic arms, a lot bigger than mine, there was this dude at my gym that was about 190cms and had a 210cms armspan, really bizarre

About your friend, he looks nice. What I think is that there isn't a perfect proportion, except when people go to extreme lengths in LL they look normal.
Like that guy that lenghtened something like 20cms on his femurs alone and ended up with really weird legs.
All that 1/1 ratio is bullshit, it's based on an ancient belief, modern surveys have show that it's pretty common for people to have a wingspan bigger(especially males and black people) or smaller than one's height(especially asians).


People once joked that I resembled a gorilla, plus I used to slouch a little bit, so yeah...haha
Having a small wingspan on the other hand I never heard anybody ever notice that, it may not be valued in some sports, but it draws a lot less attention.
As long as your arms don't end up on the top of your hip you're fine, also do not care too much about torso size, it's nice to have a long torso, but if you think you're getting too "leggy" just look at some top athletes at bball or running, many of them have really long legs in comparison to the trunk and don't look bad, they look athletic


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on December 31, 2011, 04:13:31 PM
Just Wanted To Say...

Happy New Year you leg lengthening bastards!!! Hahahha. Best wishes for 2012!!

(http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/silverc/CNY-Fireworks1.jpg)

With love from Beijing f**king China,

Roc




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: PerfectBreak on December 31, 2011, 06:41:37 PM
Happy new year!!!!!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on January 01, 2012, 08:27:49 AM
Happy New Years Roc! Your diary is one of the most entertaining I've read on MMT. (It helps that it's real time lol)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: freshmad on January 01, 2012, 09:43:12 AM
Hey roc thanks for posting my picture up. And dude screw you lol . I shall accomplish my 10cm=] besides who else can walk perfectly fine without walker at 3 cm+ except me lol? Ill just have lomg tibies lol. Also i would like more opinions on my porporations from more people please .

btw Happy new years everyone =]


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 01, 2012, 12:07:27 PM
Not Your Ordinary Hospital Grub


Here is the menu for the hospital food here in Beijing. Note that some are better than they sound and (of course) some are worse too. Also, as have been mentioned before, you can have them make stuff off the menu as long as its not too complicated.


*insert photos here SysOp*



Cheers :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 01, 2012, 12:10:37 PM
Hey roc thanks for posting my picture up. And dude screw you lol . I shall accomplish my 10cm=] besides who else can walk perfectly fine without walker at 3 cm+ except me lol? Ill just have lomg tibies lol. Also i would like more opinions on my porporations from more people please .

btw Happy new years everyone =]

Sure man, whatever you say ;)


Lol.


Best of luck to you my brown skinned friend ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 01, 2012, 08:46:40 PM
Ranting @ 4am


I guess now's good a time as any to talk about my current mood.


My thoughts are all jumbled up so there's no sense trying to organize these. The ff will simply be random spewing of my peeves here:


If people have noticed, Ive been pretty active on MMT lately, this simply because I have nothing to do.

I remember once telling myself here that I'd never feel boredom given how comfortable I am being alone and as long as I didn't have extreme physical pains, I could stay here and go through this indefinitely.

Now, I'm without pain (and am extremely thankful for it given how intense some of the shi* I've gone though here were) but... I just want all these to be over soon.

I miss hanging out with my friends, going out to play sports, and simply "walking"..

The mere act of causally standing and waking to grab something a few feet away is such a luxury I never appreciated until now.  Getting up for bathroom in the middle of the night to pee; leisurely walking to a nearby 7/11 to grab some grub; heading over the kitchen to get yourself a glass of water- I really just miss using my legs


Don't get me wrong, I'm not depressed on anything... I just... Really miss all that. The thing is, I wouldn't even be thinking of all that if I was totally comfortable. True, I am in no pain, but you are never, ever, just comfortable here.

I know this sounds ludicrous but.. the not bending your legs thing here is driving me insane. That's whats making me uncomfortable. Next time any of you lie in bed and read your books, use your phones, play your handhelds, etc, try to be conscious of your legs. You have them bent don't you? You're lying there doing your thing and your body, trying to make itself as comfortable as possible, bends your lower limbs without you even noticing.

I really really miss that.

Knowing bending is bad, it's just getting to me. Of course I curl up to but I know I shouldn't so back to forcing my legs straight. Also, don't know if the ll virgins know this but when you bend your legs for quite some time, they become stiff too and then you can't straighten them out as easily afterwards.


And notice how I said I was in no pain but am really uncomfortable? It's also because your legs ache... They just do.  It's not painful but it's there- a very small throbbing that never goes away.



It just gets to you.


These little, uncomfortable peeves that gnaw on your mental strength.



They all get to you.




What's the point of all these? Nothing really, I can't sleep is all lol.


But maybe, it could also be a warning.


If you have perfectly normal legs and is at least of average height? Why do this? I get the short people, the 165 and below I guess, but if you're normal, why? Is it greediness? Is it because you want to be more chicks? What? To get laid more often?

This is not worth it if that's your only goal.


Work on your personality, get more educated, be more socially active! Height is not the answer to your problems normal people


Enjoy your legs





(how'd I get here?)


Again, just random rants from a guy who can't sleep in Beijing f**king china






P.s.

Seriously, I'm not depressed. Just ranting lol



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on January 02, 2012, 12:51:19 AM
I understand you 100% and agree with what you saying 1000%.

I've missed using my legs and have a really comfortable stay at bed too.
And the sad thing is that you finished lengthening and things will get better and better, whereas I have to lengthen 2+cm more to finish (let's hope I can get them successfully).

LL is not a joke.
Pain is not always the worst thing, the things that Roc describes are usually worse.

Let's hope that in the new year we'll continue successfully our lives with about 7cm more.
This is my only wish for this year and I think for everyone who is currently doing LL.

Happy new year to every LL'er and to you mate!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on January 02, 2012, 11:32:46 PM
What's up "Roc" , this is patient 13 (the new 173 cm one in the room with "freshmad") .  I made an account so I could read up on tips , stretching techniques etc and I found your diary hah

Everyone else, hi, I'm 20 years old, born and raised in the US, 173 cm, and I'm a recovering alcoholic.  Lost my job my wife my dignity even a few teeth until finally one day I just said enough is enough and decided to join this support group.  So hello everyone

Regarding what Roc  asked ("Why do this? I get the short people, the 165 and below I guess, but if you're normal, why? Is it greediness? Is it because you want to be more chicks? What? To get laid more often?") I guess I'd say I'm about as vain as anyone else who chooses to do this surgery.  Height is psychological and any of us could put up with our given height if we really wanted to.  Instead, though, we recognize that, despite the cost, being taller will drastically improve the quality of our lives, , average short and midget short alike

In fact I think the real question regarding leg lengthening is opportunity cost-- will my (or your) life improve to such a degree that the investment (6 months, 30k, physical pain, boredom frustration etc) is worth it? I weighed it in my head and decided yes.  The point is, height is relative, and we're doing this for ourselves, not for our health.  Anyone who weighs the cost in his head and still thinks the extra cm are worth it has a right to the surgery


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 03, 2012, 11:13:44 AM
I understand you 100% and agree with what you saying 1000%.

I've missed using my legs and have a really comfortable stay at bed too.
And the sad thing is that you finished lengthening and things will get better and better, whereas I have to lengthen 2+cm more to finish (let's hope I can get them successfully).

LL is not a joke.
Pain is not always the worst thing, the things that Roc describes are usually worse.

Let's hope that in the new year we'll continue successfully our lives with about 7cm more.
This is my only wish for this year and I think for everyone who is currently doing LL.

Happy new year to every LL'er and to you mate!

Do you mean uncomfortable? And lol, that's only a month give or take, you're near my friend ;)

Regarding the new year's wish, right you are my muscular friend, right you are.

Happy new year to you too, enjoy the last days of your turning BB :)



What's up "Roc" , this is patient 13 (the new 173 cm one in the room with "freshmad") .  I made an account so I could read up on tips , stretching techniques etc and I found your diary hah

Hello bed 13's sweatyballsack ;)

Everyone else, hi, I'm 20 years old, born and raised in the US, 173 cm, and I'm a recovering alcoholic.  Lost my job my wife my dignity even a few teeth until finally one day I just said enough is enough and decided to join this support group.  So hello everyone

*in murmuring unison* "hello sweaty, welcome to the 'I-feel-short-so-I-had-my-legs-broken' anonymous" :D


Regarding what Roc  asked ("Why do this? I get the short people, the 165 and below I guess, but if you're normal, why? Is it greediness? Is it because you want to be more chicks? What? To get laid more often?") I guess I'd say I'm about as vain as anyone else who chooses to do this surgery.  Height is psychological and any of us could put up with our given height if we really wanted to.  Instead, though, we recognize that, despite the cost, being taller will drastically improve the quality of our lives, , average short and midget short alike

In fact I think the real question regarding leg lengthening is opportunity cost-- will my (or your) life improve to such a degree that the investment (6 months, 30k, physical pain, boredom frustration etc) is worth it? I weighed it in my head and decided yes.  The point is, height is relative, and we're doing this for ourselves, not for our health.  Anyone who weighs the cost in his head and still thinks the extra cm are worth it has a right to the surgery
 
Before anything else, I never questioned anybody’s right to this surgery; anybody can do what they want as long as it doesn’t hurt anybody else. What I said was if getting laid and such is somebody’s only goal for undergoing this procedure, “it’s not worth it.”

While I agree with your statement that “any of us could put up with our given height if we really wanted to”, I stand by my argument that for those “normal people” (people of average height in their respective area of residence), the time, effort, and not to mention, financial resources required for a few inches of height is better “invested” in other fields, e.g., the development of their personality, the attainment of a higher educational level, and the betterment of their social skills.

Why? This is because I believe that for the already average statured people and above, the value of their respective increase in height are fewer compared to my previously mentioned population group (i.e.165cm below people) - think of it in terms of “diminishing marginal value” if you will.

Now I’m not saying there are no benefits to getting taller in general regardless of height (maybe excluding the 187cm+ people); hey, who doesn’t want to be taller right? Lol. What I mean is, again, for those people who are already of average height, if getting more booty is their only goal, their resources are better invested in “other” fields ;)
 
Hope this helps :)
 
 




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on January 03, 2012, 08:51:10 PM
Yeah Roc I was just messing with you ,, I am just doing this to get laid more often/get more booty .   My personality and education sadly reached their limits

To keep this diary Roc-centric, I want to share with everyone that Roc is gorgeous .  I know he stopped lengthening but I think he could lengthen more if he wanted to and his tibias wouldn't look weird. 

In fact I have a bone to pick with all the proportion junkies on this forum.  We aren't trying to be underwear models, we're trying to get taller.  Why do you gotta mess with people's heads and talk incessantly about proportions and be like "oh you'll look freaky and shi*" or after someone is done lengthening tell them "oh your tibias look freakishly long" .  When you came to this forum you weren't fretting about proportions you were fretting about height, but after spending enough time on this forum anybody will probably end up self-conscious about his proportions and whether or not he fits the scale of da Vinci's Vitruvian Man who by the way has a tiny dick

But yeah, Roc is gorgeous.  If you are able to fall asleep here, then have no doubt, you will dream of Roc


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 04, 2012, 07:45:19 AM
Yeah Roc I was just messing with you ,, I am just doing this to get laid more often/get more booty .   My personality and education sadly reached their limits

To keep this diary Roc-centric, I want to share with everyone that Roc is gorgeous .  I know he stopped lengthening but I think he could lengthen more if he wanted to and his tibias wouldn't look weird. 

In fact I have a bone to pick with all the proportion junkies on this forum.  We aren't trying to be underwear models, we're trying to get taller.  Why do you gotta mess with people's heads and talk incessantly about proportions and be like "oh you'll look freaky and shi*" or after someone is done lengthening tell them "oh your tibias look freakishly long" .  When you came to this forum you weren't fretting about proportions you were fretting about height, but after spending enough time on this forum anybody will probably end up self-conscious about his proportions and whether or not he fits the scale of da Vinci's Vitruvian Man who by the way has a tiny dick

But yeah, Roc is gorgeous.  If you are able to fall asleep here, then have no doubt, you will dream of Roc

Aww, thank you sweatyballsack, I never knew you thought that highly of me; didn't expect you to have a thing for Asians though, that was real sweet :")

With regards to your proportions comment, yeah proportion junkies, why do you have to mess with other people's heads?? It's not like people can notice a lengthening of 4-5" in just one segment of your legs?? Who cares if you look like t-rexes in the end? At least you're tall goddamnit!!

Nah, Im just messing with you man ;)

But seriously now, some people can pull 3-4" off sure and some even exceed their wingspans by as much as 10cm and look fine (e.g. Mysteryman and craig49), but for some of us (yes, including me sadly), who do want to look as "ideal" as possible, a cm too far is something we might have to carry for the rest of our lives.

Besides, the people here who do discuss proportion issues discuss it in on threads where people "ask" for their opinion in the first place. It's not like they just go knocking on your door out of nowhere and say "omg man, your tibias look frrreeeakkkyyyy"

This has been fun neighbor lol. Do what you want with your legs and thanks for the compliments on mine.

Good luck on your lenghtening :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 04, 2012, 07:57:00 AM
update

It had my corrections for my x legs today; hurts haha. It's cool though, my legs look straight again haha. Also, they popped in a bone that was sticking out and now everything looks pretty straight.

I'll try to post my next X-ray (should be some time this week)



That said, nothing much has been going on now -a- days except freshmad got a bad case of pin infection (his first!).

Weird, we were taking about it and it seemed to pop out of nowhere (and note that he cleans his sites everyday)

Guess sometimes they just show up regardless. He's on IV now I think and if you read this man, don't worry, that should clear it up real fast.

(they wouldn't give me the IV first and I had to contend with just pills before they actually let me have them. Took me more than a week to clear everything out :/ )

Good luck man and cheers everyone ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on January 04, 2012, 09:05:13 AM
I hope that your friend freshmad understands the risks and complications of wanting to lengthen his tibias a whole 10 cm. That's a huge number, and while there are many people who are concerned about proportions, it is an undeniable fact that 10 cm on one portion of bone is gonna stand out.

Now, whether you care or not, is a whole different issue. People like Apotheosis and Reborn did 9+ cm on their femurs and are happy with the results so more power to them. I'm just worried because apotheosis and reborn lengthened via Betzbone (in my opinion the best nail because it is fully internal and completely weight-bearing.) while you guys are doing LATN. MMT used to always say that after 7.6 cm, your legs will permanently lose muscular function. (It makes sense, just google the Pulled-Taffy effect by Dr. Paley!)

Freshmad, I think you should honestly think about the recovery and risks of going all the way to 10 cm!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apotheosis on January 04, 2012, 09:28:27 AM
When you came to this forum you weren't fretting about proportions you were fretting about height, but after spending enough time on this forum anybody will probably end up self-conscious about his proportions and whether or not he fits the scale of da Vinci's Vitruvian Man

Roc,

I agree with Sweatyballsack 100%. Most of us came here for height, not to improve our proportions.

I really wish you would push on for another centimeter or two. I think the proportion haters have really messed with your head and you are going to regret not lengthening more later. I wanted to post a photo of a model I found online the other day while shopping for boxers. His tibias are ridiculously long, and significantly longer than his femurs. There is no way this guy had LL, he is just naturally built like this. There is a large degree of variation in proportions naturally, so I think you really should ignore what the haters are saying and add a bit more to your height.

(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/ApotheosisMMT/model_tall.jpg)

Apotheosis


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on January 04, 2012, 09:54:09 AM
Roc it turns out there's sexy ass people of every race, like the super cute 18 year old nurse.  Though to be honest I never thought I'd fall for an Asian man but you got me

Speaking of the super cute Asian nurse, this morning freshmad was trying to tell her how beautiful she is and stuff (normal routine for us) and then like two minutes later she's giving him the IV for his infection and I don't know what happened but he starts screaming and writhing in pain and telling the other nurse to take it out and put it back in.  After the other nurse does this, he starts telling the pretty nurse how she's an excellent nurse so he doesn't hurt her feelings

Here's my favorite quote of the day from freshmad, funnier taken out of context: "[female's] meat is more stretchable" .  I thought that was worth sharing

Re: all the b itches complaining about proportion, I wasn't necessarily talking about the people whose opinion you asked for Roc, though I disagree with them.  I was talking about just the general spooks on this forum, like I was reading this dude's diary (ShootingFor6) and the first comment he gets after posting a post-op pic is something about how he's got "looooooong long tibias" and how "maybe in the future you can go for 4-5 cm on femurs to improve proportions!" That shi* is wack, first the dude looks perfectly normal, secondly people should be congratulating him for successfully overcoming the 6 month agony of leg lengthening, not telling him his proportions are fukd up

Re: doing 10 cm, I think freshmad means that once he gets to 7cm 8cm, and he's fine, he'll keep going (because he's not worried about "proportions"), and I support him 100%.  obviously nobody should do 10 cm if they get tendon problems or some other medical reason


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on January 04, 2012, 10:05:49 AM
This is probably our last opportunity to get taller for as long as we live, so we may as well make the most of it.  We're already in beijing, already paying 30k, already got these cumbersome frames on, already wasting a winter of our youth, so we may as well give another 2 or 3 weeks and get the most out of it.  Last thing I'd want is to go home and then two months later regret not getting that other half inch

So My middle finger goes out to all the people who  tell us 8cm+ folks we look disproportional.  Doesnt matter cus your mouths will be at the level of our dicks


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 04, 2012, 11:06:16 AM
I hope that your friend freshmad understands the risks and complications of wanting to lengthen his tibias a whole 10 cm.


Health wise, that's up for him to decide but like many of us, (correct me if I'm wrong freshmad), he cares more about getting taller than athletic ability. Same here. I'm willing to compromise not being able to run as fast before for a few inches ;)

To each his own:)


Thanks for your input arche. Just waiting for the menu post from SysOp ;)



Roc,

I agree with Sweatyballsack 100%. Most of us came here for height, not to improve our proportions.

I really wish you would push on for another centimeter or two. I think the proportion haters have really messed with your head and you are going to regret not lengthening more later. I wanted to post a photo of a model I found online the other day while shopping for boxers. His tibias are ridiculously long, and significantly longer than his femurs. There is no way this guy had LL, he is just naturally built like this. There is a large degree of variation in proportions naturally, so I think you really should ignore what the haters are saying and add a bit more to your height.

[IMG]http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/ApotheosisMMT/model_tall.jpg[/

Apotheosis

Thanks for the encouragement apotheosis, it's englightening to know that people here think I have more margin for length :)

While its true most of us came here for getting taller, I believe what we all want is to actually look better hence feel better about ourselves. There's no denying that feeling we look better than the person next to us gives us a psychological edge over them and the reason we're doing this in the first place is to get more attractive based on society's ideals - taller being a very attractive trait, not just for attracting the attention of the opposite sex, but for intimidation and admiration of, lets say, the same sex we well.

LL, at the end of the day, is cosmetic surgery and it being what it is, its ultimate goal is to make the person feel better about themselves by making them look more attractive (attractiveness being subjective lol)

That said, I don't have problems with my femur/ tibia ratio (I have an 8cm diff actually) nor my torso to legs ratio (long legs look good regardless of sex imo),my peeves are with my arms. I feel I look perfect now so I'm stopping, thats my thing:)


 

Roc it turns out there's sexy ass people of every race, like the super cute 18 year old nurse.  Though to be honest I never thought I'd fall for an Asian man but you got me

Speaking of the super cute Asian nurse, this morning freshmad was trying to tell her how beautiful she is and stuff (normal routine for us) and then like two minutes later she's giving him the IV for his infection and I don't know what happened but he starts screaming and writhing in pain and telling the other nurse to take it out and put it back in.  After the other nurse does this, he starts telling the pretty nurse how she's an excellent nurse so he doesn't hurt her feelings

Here's my favorite quote of the day from freshmad, funnier taken out of context: "[female's] meat is more stretchable" .  I thought that was worth sharing

Re: all the b itches complaining about proportion, I wasn't necessarily talking about the people whose opinion you asked for Roc, though I disagree with them.  I was talking about just the general spooks on this forum, like I was reading this dude's diary (ShootingFor6) and the first comment he gets after posting a post-op pic is something about how he's got "looooooong long tibias" and how "maybe in the future you can go for 4-5 cm on femurs to improve proportions!" That shi* is wack, first the dude looks perfectly normal, secondly people should be congratulating him for successfully overcoming the 6 month agony of leg lengthening, not telling him his proportions are fukd up

Re: doing 10 cm, I think freshmad means that once he gets to 7cm 8cm, and he's fine, he'll keep going (because he's not worried about "proportions"), and I support him 100%.  obviously nobody should do 10 cm if they get tendon problems or some other medical reason

This is probably our last opportunity to get taller for as long as we live, so we may as well make the most of it.  We're already in beijing, already paying 30k, already got these cumbersome frames on, already wasting a winter of our youth, so we may as well give another 2 or 3 weeks and get the most out of it.  Last thing I'd want is to go home and then two months later regret not getting that other half inch

So My middle finger goes out to all the people who  tell us 8cm+ folks we look disproportional.  Doesnt matter cus your mouths will be at the level of our dicks

So many discussions..  But first...

Ahhh... Green jokes derived from normal words taken out of contexts... I love it lol

That said, the commenter was an asshole if that's the first things that came out of his virtual mouth.

Regarding freshmad, as I've mentioned above, that's really up to him but as I've told him before, objectively, I do feel he can do 10 aesthetically speaking given how the photo we took looked (he'll know what I'm talking about.)

All those aside, you mentioned you'd regret going home not lengtening enough; everybody would feel the same way if they didn't, but conversely, I have heard and met about people who've went back home and regretted lengthenjng "too much"- too much that they had to go back and get their legs shortened again; that's the person I don't want to be.


This is why I'm being careful, i want my "porridge neither too hot nor too cold, i want it just right" ;) I get your argument, I was there a few months ago, and now I'm over that and am here.


In the end, it's a personal choice: lengthening to the degree we find ourselves most aesthetically pleasing.


This has been a great discussion people, awesome inputs ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on January 04, 2012, 01:58:32 PM
Roc,

I agree with Sweatyballsack 100%. Most of us came here for height, not to improve our proportions.

I really wish you would push on for another centimeter or two. I think the proportion haters have really messed with your head and you are going to regret not lengthening more later. I wanted to post a photo of a model I found online the other day while shopping for boxers. His tibias are ridiculously long, and significantly longer than his femurs. There is no way this guy had LL, he is just naturally built like this. There is a large degree of variation in proportions naturally, so I think you really should ignore what the haters are saying and add a bit more to your height.

(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/ApotheosisMMT/model_tall.jpg)

Apotheosis
Roc has already lengthened 7cm!
Not a little.
2cm more, maybe even 1, could cause a lot of trouble to his tendons, muscles etc.

Believe me, If I could lengthen 10cm in my tibias without any problem, I'd 100% do it.
I don't care for proportions at all, also I believe I'd look really good with so long tibias.
But this is far from the safe limit of 7-7,5cm and this is why I'd not go further than 7,5cm at any cost.

A successful LLer is the one who can take a lot of cm's and have all the functions to his feet that he had before LL.
Success is not to take 9cm for instance and not be able to run again, or jump etc as you used to.
Success it to take 6-7cm and be able to do exactly what you did before LL.
In some rare cases, maybe people who gain a little more than 8cm can be completely functional, so if their body corresponds so good they could go over 7,5 cm.
But for the 90% of patients, 7-7,5 is the limit that must stop, to have healthy-functional feet.

So, I think that Roc did a very good job stopping at 7cm.
It is a great gain and I am completely sure that nothing would change in his life if he had taken another 1 cm.
But the risks could have been much more, without any true reason.

Proportions is something subjective and I really don't care about it.
But health is the most important, and LL has some limits for everyone that is wise to stop there.
So we must listen to our body and do our best.
Not all of us can take 7,5-8+ cm and imo, even the ones that did it maybe risked a lot and have lost some good percent of their functions.

Only when I see a patient, who lengthened more than 8cm, to run, jump, dance etc I'd say he had a successful LL.
Not before that.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: height_desperate on January 04, 2012, 02:01:33 PM
Hello Roc,

Sorry to mess up your diaries, but I've wanted to do the surgery since years ago, and just now, finally have the time and money to do it.  I contacted the hospital, but haven't heard back from them.  Can you please check to see if they are accepting new patients?  I'm planning to do it this May so want to plan for it now.  Is Ronne still there?  Also, do they still give you guys 10% discount for being a member of this website?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Fezzy on January 04, 2012, 02:07:40 PM
Hello Roc,

Sorry to mess up your diaries, but I've wanted to do the surgery since years ago, and just now, finally have the time and money to do it.  I contacted the hospital, but haven't heard back from them.  Can you please check to see if they are accepting new patients?  I'm planning to do it this May so want to plan for it now.  Is Ronne still there?  Also, do they still give you guys 10% discount for being a member of this website?

Thanks.

Hey I know these questions go to to Roc but I can answer them for you :P

When I sent them an email, it took like 5 days for them to reply (this was over the Christmas time)
Yes they are still accepting patients
Ronne is still there
And no, they have stopped giving the 10% discount for members on this website :)

Hope that answered all your questions

P.S. Looking great Roc ;)  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on January 04, 2012, 03:28:37 PM

Speaking of the super cute Asian nurse, this morning freshmad was trying to tell her how beautiful she is and stuff (normal routine for us) and then like two minutes later she's giving him the IV for his infection and I don't know what happened but he starts screaming and writhing in pain and telling the other nurse to take it out and put it back in.  After the other nurse does this, he starts telling the pretty nurse how she's an excellent nurse so he doesn't hurt her feelings


Ah I missed that cute nurse  ;D She's probably hates freshmad and did that on purpose haha jk   :D good luck with your infection freshmad. Now I remember that I have been using the Neospirin cream for my pin sites. Whenever I feel a pin site is getting infection I put that cream on. It has antibiotic stuff to protect the pin site from infection. But the pin site will look red and really nasty when you put it on. I usually put it on for like half a day then wipe it off.

Roc, how's your ballerina ? When do you have the second surgery ? After they remove the frame your feet will drop down more because there's nothing to hold it anymore. I thought it was easier to fix my ballerina after the frames are removed so I didn't do anything. But it get worse after frame removal and it's not easy to fix it. So keep standing and working on your ballerina while wating for consolidation.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on January 04, 2012, 04:29:04 PM
What cute nurse are you guys talking about... Was she new after I left?

Tell freshmad to be nice and stop hitting on all the nurse.  Especially when he's high.  I wonder if there is any nurses he didnt say "you ate cute/pretty" to.

Roc, let us know when you know your frame removal date :). Lets do skype conference sometimes to catch up.



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apotheosis on January 04, 2012, 07:32:30 PM
Not all of us can take 7,5-8+ cm and imo, even the ones that did it maybe risked a lot and have lost some good percent of their functions.

Body Builder,

There have been a number of people who have  successfully lengthened more than 7.5 CM in their tibias and written diaries on this site. All of these patients recovered. What examples do you have of patients losing some of their function after lengthening more than 7.5 CM with one of the doctors on the approved doctors list? How many patient diaries have you read where patients have lengthened more than 7.5 CM and lost some of their function?

MMT used to insist that going over 5 CM would most likely lead to major complications, yet many people here have lengthened much more than that and had no problems. I wasn't suggesting that Roc do 10 CM (although Mysteryman did 10 CM with Dr. Xia and recovered fully). I was suggesting he could probably go to 8.5 CM, particularly since he has given his body a little break from lengthening. If he did another 1.5 CM slowly, I would bet that he would be fine.

Apotheosis


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Temoc on January 04, 2012, 09:47:14 PM
I'm really thinking about going for 10cm with Xia or Betz. Thanks to my monkey armspan I will end up as the vitruvian man, not bad.
Betz is more expensive but it's internal, I really don't care about having the frame around my legs, nor the scars, but I just don't like the idea of having tons of holes in my leg with infection.
Xia is cheaper and got asian girls... ;D
But I have a question, does doctor xia accepts people that are almost 180cms?

I have to agree with Apotheosis also, I think that if you do LL you should aim big, proportions and athletic ability are a distant thought to me, I want height to tower over people  :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Body Builder on January 04, 2012, 10:45:25 PM
Body Builder,

There have been a number of people who have  successfully lengthened more than 7.5 CM in their tibias and written diaries on this site. All of these patients recovered. What examples do you have of patients losing some of their function after lengthening more than 7.5 CM with one of the doctors on the approved doctors list? How many patient diaries have you read where patients have lengthened more than 7.5 CM and lost some of their function?

MMT used to insist that going over 5 CM would most likely lead to major complications, yet many people here have lengthened much more than that and had no problems. I wasn't suggesting that Roc do 10 CM (although Mysteryman did 10 CM with Dr. Xia and recovered fully). I was suggesting he could probably go to 8.5 CM, particularly since he has given his body a little break from lengthening. If he did another 1.5 CM slowly, I would bet that he would be fine.

Apotheosis
I didn't write it well, so it is my fault Apotheosis.

By saying losing functions I wanted to say that they can't be 100% (maybe not even 90%) as they were before LL.
They can't run very fast, they can't lift many weights etc. Of course, it isn't a problem to lift for example 100kg rather than 120 before, but it is a problem to lift only 60-70 in comparison to 120.  So, if going further than 7-7,5cm leads to serious decrease of body activity, then it isn't worth. If leads only to a little decrease, then I think that it is not a problem.

There isn't a general rule that after 7-7,5 cm someone is going to have major problems, but in the most cases everything more than 7cm is considered enough risky. 5cm that MMT used to say it is a border between safety and danger is little for the majority of patients, but 7-7,5 in most cases is much closer to the real border between safe and dangerous.

I can't be sure of course, because I am in 5cm right now and If I reach 7,5cm and believe that my body can take a little more, maybe I continue for about 0,5cm or something. But I believe we must not push our bodies to the limit and always stop a little before reaching the maximum level, because this could be irreversible.
We'll see.

PS. I've asked you something about your clickings in your diary, I'd be pleased if you answer me.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: height_desperate on January 05, 2012, 04:25:57 AM
Hey I know these questions go to to Roc but I can answer them for you :P

When I sent them an email, it took like 5 days for them to reply (this was over the Christmas time)
Yes they are still accepting patients
Ronne is still there
And no, they have stopped giving the 10% discount for members on this website :)

Hope that answered all your questions

P.S. Looking great Roc ;)  ;)

Thanks, Fezzy.  I am hoping somebody would answer my questions soon as I want to do it this May, and don't want to wait until too late.  Maybe I just show up at the hospital for the surgery.  But then I don't know how to get there, and hope that somebody will pick me up at the airport.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 05, 2012, 06:06:26 AM
Hello Roc,

Sorry to mess up your diaries, but I've wanted to do the surgery since years ago, and just now, finally have the time and money to do it.  I contacted the hospital, but haven't heard back from them.  Can you please check to see if they are accepting new patients?  I'm planning to do it this May so want to plan for it now.  Is Ronne still there?  Also, do they still give you guys 10% discount for being a member of this website?

Thanks.

What fezzy said lol


Roc, how's your ballerina ? When do you have the second surgery ? After they remove the frame your feet will drop down more because there's nothing to hold it anymore. I thought it was easier to fix my ballerina after the frames are removed so I didn't do anything. But it get worse after frame removal and it's not easy to fix it. So keep standing and working on your ballerina while wating for consolidation.



Yeah I will. My surgery is on the end of janruary; my ballarina's okay; a few seconds of standing pretty much brings my heels down enough to touch the ground. Thanks for the tips;)

What cute nurse are you guys talking about... Was she new after I left?

Tell freshmad to be nice and stop hitting on all the nurse.  Especially when he's high.  I wonder if there is any nurses he didnt say "you ate cute/pretty" to.

Roc, let us know when you know your frame removal date :). Lets do skype conference sometimes to catch up.



No, remmwbr the really young white nurse that usually bobs her head when she walks (at least that's how freshmad describes her lol)

Yeah, just email whenever you guys are free CDROM and Luffy, we're pretty much available here 24/7 freshmad and I lol.

Btw, how'd your friends react to you when they saw you over the new year cdrom?? That must be interesting lol

Take care guys ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 05, 2012, 06:11:53 AM

MMT used to insist that going over 5 CM would most likely lead to major complications, yet many people here have lengthened much more than that and had no problems. I wasn't suggesting that Roc do 10 CM (although Mysteryman did 10 CM with Dr. Xia and recovered fully). I was suggesting he could probably go to 8.5 CM, particularly since he has given his body a little break from lengthening. If he did another 1.5 CM slowly, I would bet that he would be fine.

Apotheosis

As I've said, Im not really that worried in terms of athletic endeavors, I'm just happy with my height now; I feel like its "just right"

Thanks for the comments, I understand that you only don't want me to regret not maximizing my gains here and I truly appreciate it apotheosis :)

Cheers man, the force is strong in you my friend ;)

I'm really thinking about going for 10cm with Xia or Betz. Thanks to my monkey armspan I will end up as the vitruvian man, not bad.
Betz is more expensive but it's internal, I really don't care about having the frame around my legs, nor the scars, but I just don't like the idea of having tons of holes in my leg with infection.
Xia is cheaper and got asian girls... ;D
But I have a question, does doctor xia accepts people that are almost 180cms?

I have to agree with Apotheosis also, I think that if you do LL you should aim big, proportions and athletic ability are a distant thought to me, I want height to tower over people  :)

I do think they don't care for your original height. Just email them;)

And regarding your thoughts on towering over people, to each his own man ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 05, 2012, 06:13:51 AM
Thanks, Fezzy.  I am hoping somebody would answer my questions soon as I want to do it this May, and don't want to wait until too late.  Maybe I just show up at the hospital for the surgery.  But then I don't know how to get there, and hope that somebody will pick me up at the airport.

They'll pick you up from the airport if you contact them and have it arranged.

Just email them dude ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on January 05, 2012, 11:34:48 AM
Hey Roc, recently I've been researching the various painkillers people take while doing LL, and I wanted to ask you how often you take pain killers or sleeping pills? A lot of patients use Tramadol as a sleeping aid, but from what I've read on the internet, it seems really addictive! Thanks man.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 05, 2012, 12:35:04 PM
Hey Roc, recently I've been researching the various painkillers people take while doing LL, and I wanted to ask you how often you take pain killers or sleeping pills? A lot of patients use Tramadol as a sleeping aid, but from what I've read on the internet, it seems really addictive! Thanks man.

Hahaha, yes it is. For me it doesn't seem to be that addictive but ive heard from other patients (looking at freshmad here) that he can't not take it for even a day now. "I don't even take it for the pain, i take it to elevate my mood!" lol

This is because aside from the pain relief it provides, it also gives you a slight buzz which can be nice. Personally, my mood does seem to get better from it so it's cool lol.

I only take a tramadols once a night now but during the last few weeks of my lenghtening (arguably the worst part), I'd do one in the morning and one before I sleep. (i also think there was a time i took 3 a day.) also, there's been an account of one patient here who took it 4x a day but that's an exemption rather than the norm haha.

Those said, you'll be fine with it, don't worry. At most, you'll just have to wean off it eventually but being pain free is better than having a nagging pain- that's what drives you crazy imo.

Yeah you may complain of all the depression, bordeness, and loneliness you experience in LL but believe you me, you won't even think of that if you have pain; it's all you ever think about so better get it off your system first if you do.

That's more than what you asked lol, I'm just in the mood right now i guess. Lying on my bed and watching dragon ball with a hot cup of tea during wintertime in Beijing- it's pretty relaxing lol

Take care man ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Temoc on January 05, 2012, 11:29:38 PM
Ok, they already replied my e-mail, they're fast by the way...
I'm probably going for beijing in the middle of 2012, too bad you will already be gone, I think haha
Good diary by the way, it inspired me


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on January 08, 2012, 06:14:31 AM
Hey Roc, how much weight have you lost? I know there are some LLer's who lose upwards of 20 lbs and I have read some diaries where the weight loss did not exceed 5 lbs.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 08, 2012, 09:39:30 AM
Ok, they already replied my e-mail, they're fast by the way...
I'm probably going for beijing in the middle of 2012, too bad you will already be gone, I think haha
Good diary by the way, it inspired me

Thanks, appreciate the compliment. Good luck ;)

Hey Roc, how much weight have you lost? I know there are some LLer's who lose upwards of 20 lbs and I have read some diaries where the weight loss did not exceed 5 lbs.


I know I've touched up on this before; weren't you the person who asked me the same thing? Please read the previous posts man.

Anyway, just to address your question, I personally didn't lose any weight. To be more accurate, I think I gained some 'cause I've been eating junk food non stop since the holidays hahaha.

Good luck on your research arche;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on January 08, 2012, 12:41:05 PM
Oh man! I was trying to remember who I asked about their weight....and it was you lol My bad, I went through your diary again to make sure.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 08, 2012, 03:29:08 PM
Oh man! I was trying to remember who I asked about their weight....and it was you lol My bad, I went through your diary again to make sure.

Yeah, the maid has even teased me about it lol. Sure sure, no prob ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on January 17, 2012, 12:29:42 AM
Hey Roc, how's your sleeping schedule? Has it improved now that you're deep into finishing LL? Also would you recommend that we bring a mattress pad to Beijing with us?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on January 19, 2012, 03:31:16 PM
Hey Roc, how's your sleeping schedule? Has it improved now that you're deep into finishing LL? Also would you recommend that we bring a mattress pad to Beijing with us?

Hey arche,

My sleeping's pretty good now. To clarify things, I don't sleep till around 3-5am these days but that's not cause of me not being able to, it's more of I enjoy staying up late haha.

Now cause my knee bending and ballerina are practically gone, I have less guilt when bending my legs when sleeping so that helps a lot (imo, the stiffness associated with a prolonged state of bent knees seems to be a nonissue with people who've stopped lengtening 'cause my legs doesn't take as long to straighten out now as compared to before)

Those said, no man, don't bring a f**king mattress. Lol, I can't imagine somebody having shi* like that delivered here. If you really want to then fine but personally, you don't need it as you'll eventually get used to the ones here anyway. But again, hey, if you have the money and just want to be as comfortable as possible, nobody's really gonna stop you haha.


Best of luck man;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Chompu Sodsai on January 29, 2012, 05:15:32 AM
Hi Roc

Great diary by the way, and I'm glad to know that you will have your frames removed in no time now (and some jealousy that you are now a 7cm taller man  :P). 

I am just a curious about your  your standing routine (how long do you stand for, how many times per day?)
I also read from other Beijing diaries, that an hour of physio per day is included in the total package.  But you didn't seem to mention anything about physio?

I am also from a southeast Asian country and I somehow have strong guts feeling that we are from the same country  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 01, 2012, 08:42:40 AM
Hi Roc

Great diary by the way, and I'm glad to know that you will have your frames removed in no time now (and some jealousy that you are now a 7cm taller man  :P). 

I am just a curious about your  your standing routine (how long do you stand for, how many times per day?)
I also read from other Beijing diaries, that an hour of physio per day is included in the total package.  But you didn't seem to mention anything about physio?

I am also from a southeast Asian country and I somehow have strong guts feeling that we are from the same country  ;)


Thanks for the compliment man. Actually, i was just about to make an update regarding my surgery date haha. I'll do it after this.

Standing / walking = it fluctuates rather frequently. Just to give you an idea though, recently? I've been averaging about 15 min of standing and maybe 15 mins of walking daily. This is way below the other new patients' schedules here but distinctly above the old ones I was with before lol. I gave you can say I chose the happy medium ;)

Regarding the physio though, this is actually funny. Me and my room mate was just talking about how, according to the main site, it says we should have 1 hour of physio exercises everyday. Truth is, you get bao jiaos everyday for around 15 mins or so but that's about it. All other exercises require self discipline because you have to be disciplined to drag yourself out of bed and stand/ walk everyday lol. It does help though if everybody around you is doing it so it's important to cultivate a culture of exercising habit around the patients here (although in extreme cases, if you have severe ballerina  or knee bending, I know some staffs to try to help you get well better [pushing you're toes up, pushing your knees down to straighten])


Country wise, really now? Hmm... Okay, let's leave it at that then hhahaha


Are you coming here or somthing or just "researching" for the mean time?

May the force be with you ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 01, 2012, 08:59:11 AM
Updateeeee




Okay, it's been a while since I've updated. Basically, things are going well for everybody here and mostly all the foreign patients have cultivated this culture of "exercising" which is real good compared to the time I first came here (look at me talking like an old timer )

Not to be a jackass but I do believe this is cause of me encouraging the lot of them ;)




Lol, okay, maybe not hahaha. Honestly though, I believe this to be a team effort but mostly it is cause of freshmad's example. His walking is amazing and work ethics admirable; I guess people just saw his level of mobility here and liked it (in contrast to when I first came here, nobody was walking and standing hence my individual laziness lol)


But that was a long time ago. My walking and standing have been steadily improving. I have practically no ballerina and knee bending is virtually non existent.  Those said, I just had my X-ray taken yesterday and final length gained:

7.6cm :D

Yes, i turned just a few mm more and then the rest i assume were gotten from the pins bending back. To be honest, it doesnt seem to add up since when I measure myself, I'm only 168 (a 6.5 increase from my original height) so either the doctors are lying to me (gasps!!) or the initial height measurements they gave me were inaccurate (like they measured me immediately after waking up. I can't remember now)


Of course it's disappointing to think I was shorter than I thought I was but at the very least, I gained 7.6" from before.


I'll try to post an X-ray but I'm honestly real lazy these days haha.



Oh, surgery date is on the 7th of feb;)


Cheers everyone


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Chompu Sodsai on February 01, 2012, 09:28:23 AM
Thanks for your reply Roc

Wow, your operation is coming up real soon, I am so psyched for you  ;D Good luck brother  :D

I think we are from the same country because the way you described your country in your earlier post. You have this love hate feeling about your country which is exactly the same as me. And.... I don't know, just a gut feeling, OK let's just leave it at that  :D

About your recent height measurement, I think it was definitely  your frames, which prevented you from putting your legs together. And you definitely lose at least 2 cm or even more. So When you have you frames removed, try measure your height again with your leg close together, your chest up and back straight, you will be pleasantly surprised  ;D

And No I am not going to Beijing for LL, I am just observing what other patients do for exercises so I can benchmark myself, whether   I am doing enough exercises myself  ;D

I am currently undergoing LL in my country. If you have time please drop my diary to say hi  :D

http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,4534.0.html




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: pion on February 01, 2012, 01:03:14 PM
Hi Roc,

I'am having my consultation with Dr Xia on 20th Feb for femur lengthening....so i might have a chance to see you :P


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: pion on February 01, 2012, 01:05:29 PM
oh i forgot to mention. I'am from Hong Kong but raised in England  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on February 01, 2012, 10:14:00 PM
Cool, I went to Law School in Hong Kong.

Good luck and keep us posted. Your diary will be the first one I'll be able to experience before during and hopefully after the person does their lengthening.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on February 03, 2012, 05:14:23 AM
@ROC - Good luck on February 7th brother. Can't wait to hear how you're doing!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 05, 2012, 09:26:53 AM
Hi Roc,

I'am having my consultation with Dr Xia on 20th Feb for femur lengthening....so i might have a chance to see you :P


Oooh, cool. Drop by and say hi to all of us here when you do come man  ;D


@ROC - Good luck on February 7th brother. Can't wait to hear how you're doing!


Thanks dookieman. I'm getting real excited now actually. Pass few days I've been relaxed but I don't know, just woke up today and I guess it just really dawned on me: no more frames:D





Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on February 05, 2012, 10:05:33 AM
Enjoy your last weekend with frames Roc lol  ;D

Good luck with the surgery  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on February 05, 2012, 02:21:12 PM
Good luck!   Dont forget to show ur sexah legs afterward. 


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 05, 2012, 06:12:45 PM
Good luck!   Dont forget to show ur sexah legs afterward. 


Enjoy your last weekend with frames Roc lol  ;D

Good luck with the surgery  ;)


Hey guys!! (damn I almost typed in your real names lol)


Thanks:D


Im missing you guys (awwwww) hahaha.


Update me and freshmad more on your current lives!

(I'm still waiting for your friends story Luffy haha)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: pion on February 06, 2012, 04:55:05 AM
Roc


how much was your consultation fee?

Ronne said 4,500RMB which is $717 USD.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 06, 2012, 05:24:56 AM
Roc


how much was your consultation fee?

Ronne said 4,500RMB which is $717 USD.

I dunno. I just paid for the whole package which includes the consultation


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on February 06, 2012, 05:32:21 AM
Hey Roc, recently a lot of posters on this board have been commenting on the (lack of) physical therapy LL patients receive during the lengthening phase. I was wondering if you could talk about some of the exercises the doctors have you do? Thanks Roc, you're the man.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Chompu Sodsai on February 06, 2012, 11:44:05 AM
good luck with your second op my southeast Asian brother  ;)

I read somewhere that Mark Hamill is about 5''6.5'. So now you are officially about the same height (or even taller) as the master Jedi Luke Skywalker!!!! How does that feel  ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on February 07, 2012, 03:17:57 AM
A long time ago there were a young prince named Roc who said every day, "Ah, if only I were taller," but he never grew. 

Suddenly something amazing happened.  Surfing the internet, sitting all by himself, there was a burst of light and a fairy appeared. 
 
"Don't be alarmed, young prince Roc," said the fairy.  "The wind blew me your sighs.  I know you would love to grow taller.  And so you shall!"
 
"How can I grow taller, when the growth plates in my bones have already fused?" Prince Roc replied.

The fairy explained, "There is a distant land where people can go to grow taller.  But it is not an easy undertaking.  Many kings have gone before you, and tried to grow taller, but had remained sticking fast in it, and died a pitiful death. "

But young Prince Roc was determined.  He said, "I am not afraid, I will go and have my legs lengthened. "

The fairy smiled.  "Your wish shall be fulfilled.  Before a year has gone by, you shall be 7+ cm taller. " And with a flick of her magic wand, the fairy transported the young prince to that faraway land where they eat noodles and make people taller.

Several months passed.  The young prince had to overcome many hardships, including a fearsome encounter with barbaric goblins who broke his legs and forced metal cages onto them.  But Roc heroically gained one centimeter after another, until finally he had gained an impressive 7. 8 cm of height.

At last came the day when the young prince was finally content with his height.  An atmosphere of envy and admiration pervaded the distant realm.  It was time for him to finally return home.

And so kiddies, at 8:00am today the fairy overlords came and abducted the young prince Roc.  They will make him whole again so he can return to his kingdom.

Verily the king will be astonished, and the queen, and the whole court, and they will look at each other in great astonishment.  And the horses in the courtyard will stand up and shake themselves, the hounds will jump up and wag their tails, the pigeons upon the roof will pull out their heads from under their wings, look round, and fly into the open country.

And maybe the young prince will even be married to a lovely princess, and the marriage will be celebrated with much splendor.  And they will probably have dozens of children, and lie contented to the end of their days.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on February 07, 2012, 03:29:36 AM
^Damn dude lay off the painkillers lol "That faraway land where they eat noodles and make people taller." lmao


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on February 07, 2012, 03:52:00 AM
Painkillers ? I pour them into a bowl and eat them like cereal

Hmm.  I should add that at first Roc thought the fairy was just his mom in a costume

Also, knowing what I know about Roc, the line "And they will probably have dozens of children, and lie contented to the end of their days" should probably have been "And the neighbors will complain about how loudly Roc's bed squeaks and thumps against the wall at night, every night, with his wife's moaning/screaming keeping the entire neighborhood awake to the end of their days"


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on February 07, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
What kinda drugs are they pumping you guys up with in Beijing? LOL

Great story with a creative spin on the LL process.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 08, 2012, 01:09:20 AM
A long time ago there were a young prince named Roc who said every day, "Ah, if only I were taller," but he never grew. 

Suddenly something amazing happened.  Surfing the internet, sitting all by himself, there was a burst of light and a fairy appeared. 
 
"Don't be alarmed, young prince Roc," said the fairy.  "The wind blew me your sighs.  I know you would love to grow taller.  And so you shall!"
 
"How can I grow taller, when the growth plates in my bones have already fused?" Prince Roc replied.

The fairy explained, "There is a distant land where people can go to grow taller.  But it is not an easy undertaking.  Many kings have gone before you, and tried to grow taller, but had remained sticking fast in it, and died a pitiful death. "

But young Prince Roc was determined.  He said, "I am not afraid, I will go and have my legs lengthened. "

The fairy smiled.  "Your wish shall be fulfilled.  Before a year has gone by, you shall be 7+ cm taller. " And with a flick of her magic wand, the fairy transported the young prince to that faraway land where they eat noodles and make people taller.

Several months passed.  The young prince had to overcome many hardships, including a fearsome encounter with barbaric goblins who broke his legs and forced metal cages onto them.  But Roc heroically gained one centimeter after another, until finally he had gained an impressive 7. 8 cm of height.

At last came the day when the young prince was finally content with his height.  An atmosphere of envy and admiration pervaded the distant realm.  It was time for him to finally return home.

And so kiddies, at 8:00am today the fairy overlords came and abducted the young prince Roc.  They will make him whole again so he can return to his kingdom.

Verily the king will be astonished, and the queen, and the whole court, and they will look at each other in great astonishment.  And the horses in the courtyard will stand up and shake themselves, the hounds will jump up and wag their tails, the pigeons upon the roof will pull out their heads from under their wings, look round, and fly into the open country.

And maybe the young prince will even be married to a lovely princess, and the marriage will be celebrated with much splendor.  And they will probably have dozens of children, and lie contented to the end of their days.


Lol, good one. Made me chuckle here and there haha. Especially love the follow up regarding my future wife *wink wink*


Oh sweaty, you know me so well.

Thanks for the fairy tale ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 08, 2012, 02:04:26 AM
Update


I went for the surgery room at 730 apparently got back around 12.

I was awake for half of it until I started feeling pain during the operation so I had them put me to sleep; woke up back in my room.

Right now, I basically have this excruciating pain around my right ankle. Couldn't sleep last night even with 2 morphine shots. Hopefully it'll get better soon.

Not in the mood to write more right now, so that's about it.




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on February 08, 2012, 06:45:19 AM
Wow I hope you feel better soon!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: pion on February 08, 2012, 01:50:53 PM
hope you are alright now :)

by the way what's the temperature like in the hospital? Warm enough to wear shorts?

Thanks


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 10, 2012, 01:58:14 AM
Update

4 days post op (counting the day of the op itself), things are better.


According to my maid, I'm doing pretty well compared to my old patients as I don't really have any leg pains but as I mentioned above, the pain is mostly isolated on my right ankle.

When asked, the doctors told me this was because of my correction; my feet were pointing inwards as a result of the lengthening and because of the more pronounced nature of my right foot's condition, they had to twist it more, possibly straining my tendons there.


That's about it, but I don't mean that lightly. The first night I had 2 shots of morphine and they did squat for my tendon pains. I was on the verge of crying (insert mockings here) and the only way I passed the night was by my maid's constant rubbing of my tendons.


Now, again, things are better and I've found a specific position to alleviate it (bending my right foot.)



Today they just changed my bandages and I noticed my feets really dropped so I guess I have ballerina again lol although I was able to fix them with just a few seconds of standing with my frames on before. Maybe it's unavoidable given the removal of the frames means the removal of the ankle support thingies as well.


I'm gonna get my catheter out this afternoon which is good news... And that's about it.


If you guys can, visit body builder's diary and read about his current dilemma. And if possible, ask your doctors about it too, the guy needs our help people.


Best of luck to all of you!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on February 10, 2012, 05:42:51 AM
ROC, there is no shame to your game buddy. If it hurts, by all means let that stuff out! I'm very happy for you buddy. You did the damn thing!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: sweatyballsack on February 10, 2012, 02:04:49 PM
In tribute to the removal of the catheter,

Remove the spaces and voila

w w w .  p o r n h u b .  c o m /photo/241675


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 10, 2012, 02:14:13 PM
In tribute to the removal of the catheter,

Remove the spaces and voila

w w w .  p o r n h u b .  c o m /photo/241675



bitc* please... I had all those saved on my laptop years ago LOL LOL


Thanks sweaty! I'm touched you remembered.. <3

Awsome way to christen my catheter's removal...

(come over if you want copies. I have more than you ever imagined *wink wink* )


Good luck on lenghtening!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: dControl on February 20, 2012, 07:47:59 AM
Hey Roc,

Got a quick question:

While you were in China, how did you access YouTube and Facebook, and other blocked sites? You had to use a VPN software yea?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Quixotic on February 20, 2012, 11:35:05 AM
Roc,

I agree with Sweatyballsack 100%. Most of us came here for height, not to improve our proportions.

I really wish you would push on for another centimeter or two. I think the proportion haters have really messed with your head and you are going to regret not lengthening more later. I wanted to post a photo of a model I found online the other day while shopping for boxers. His tibias are ridiculously long, and significantly longer than his femurs. There is no way this guy had LL, he is just naturally built like this. There is a large degree of variation in proportions naturally, so I think you really should ignore what the haters are saying and add a bit more to your height.

(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc520/ApotheosisMMT/model_tall.jpg)

Apotheosis

Apotheosis, who is this?  His build and proportions look exactly like me in a mock-up I did....minus the muscles of course :p


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 20, 2012, 03:49:00 PM
Dude read the thing, it's just a random model he saw on the net ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on February 20, 2012, 04:39:04 PM
Hey Roc, how do you take showers in Beijing? Do they give you sponge baths? etc?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 20, 2012, 05:09:43 PM
Hey Roc,

Got a quick question:

While you were in China, how did you access YouTube and Facebook, and other blocked sites? You had to use a VPN software yea?

Thanks!

Oops, forgot.

Yes basically ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 20, 2012, 05:14:00 PM
Hey Roc, how do you take showers in Beijing? Do they give you sponge baths? etc?


Hmmm... A few days post surgery, before i could move around on the chairs and shi*, I remember my maid bringing me hot water in a tub with a towellete. Basically, you just wipe yourself a few.

When you can finally move around, you roll yourself to the shower, sit on a chair and prop your leg up on a different chair (usually the chair used for rolling in) and then you use your towel to cover your legs plus this shower curtain thingy on top of that. The point is to not get your legs wet while you shower (they have those mobile shower heads here if you get what I mean)

That's it, hope you got that ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Quixotic on February 20, 2012, 06:43:21 PM
Dude read the thing, it's just a random model he saw on the net ;)

Yeah but I was hoping he knew his name  :( He uploaded it from his computer too with a different name, so I can't search for it :( If someone could tell me who it is i would be so grateful.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: A-game on February 22, 2012, 02:28:35 PM
 :D Hello roc ive read your entire diary really really inspiring your a tough man and dedicated to document all of this while going threw surgery.  i salute you sir.  but i have question i want to pursue LL also i live in Michigan, united states and wanted to know if anyone knew of any doctors that perform LL surgery in Michigan or near ? Thanks p. s.  how'd you get so damn funny lol


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: dControl on February 23, 2012, 11:59:51 PM
Hey Roc, hope you're doing well  :)

I was wondering if there is a telephone in each room? How do you communicate with your family overseas?

Thanks


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: dControl on February 24, 2012, 12:36:14 AM
Hey Roc,

Sorry another question: I read in another thread by Somedaysoon that we should bring our own wireless router. Do you think that's necessary? How's the internet connection there?
Would YouTube, online gaming, etc be possible there you reckon?

Thanks


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 26, 2012, 03:41:09 AM
:D Hello roc ive read your entire diary really really inspiring your a tough man and dedicated to document all of this while going threw surgery.  i salute you sir.  but i have question i want to pursue LL also i live in Michigan, united states and wanted to know if anyone knew of any doctors that perform LL surgery in Michigan or near ? Thanks p. s.  how'd you get so damn funny lol



No man, unfortunately I don't. Thanks for the compliments though, I'd be real happy about that right now but just found out about apotheosis' news on abc and the hits it'll/ it is getting.

Peace man, and good luck


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 26, 2012, 03:44:10 AM
Hey Roc,

Sorry another question: I read in another thread by Somedaysoon that we should bring our own wireless router. Do you think that's necessary? How's the internet connection there?
Would YouTube, online gaming, etc be possible there you reckon?

Thanks

Hey dcontrol. I don't see any phones but I doubt you need it, Skype is more than enough here.

Reg the router, yeah bring one yourself if you have wireless devises like phones or tablets.

The connection is good enough but no YouTube cause of china's great firewall although it can be circumnavigated via VPN. Usually you have to pay though for a stable service. You can google some to be ready for here.


Good luck


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: GoldenAngel on February 28, 2012, 12:17:36 AM
Hi, i wish you the best for your post surgery (ive heard it kills!) and for your desired results! I just have a question, do you think that Mr. Xia is capable of giving me (a young girl) from 8-10 inches of height (sure id have to do 2 surguries tibia and femur) based on your results and other patients in the clinic??

-Golden <3


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: dreamhigh on February 28, 2012, 05:31:17 AM
Dear Roc,

First of all, it was brave thing you did.  and best of luck on recovery.
i am new to this MMT site.  The reason i am searching around is to get more info on LL and learn more.
however i am really terrified about this surgery, as much as i wanna do it. 
if possible can i talk to you over phone or Skype.  to get more info.
my Skype id: dream. High767.

and again dude great job, i just have some questions, so tell me a way to get in touch with you.
thanks man.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 28, 2012, 06:37:37 AM
Hi, i wish you the best for your post surgery (ive heard it kills!) and for your desired results! I just have a question, do you think that Mr. Xia is capable of giving me (a young girl) from 8-10 inches of height (sure id have to do 2 surguries tibia and femur) based on your results and other patients in the clinic??

-Golden <3

I personally think 8 inches is the max (10cm / segment) but don't think of that first, if you're serious, focus on one segement only; one is hard enough.

Good luck ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on February 28, 2012, 06:39:26 AM
Dear Roc,

First of all, it was brave thing you did.  and best of luck on recovery.
i am new to this MMT site.  The reason i am searching around is to get more info on LL and learn more.
however i am really terrified about this surgery, as much as i wanna do it. 
if possible can i talk to you over phone or Skype.  to get more info.
my Skype id: dream. High767.

and again dude great job, i just have some questions, so tell me a way to get in touch with you.
thanks man.


Sorry man, especially after the news thing, I'm more concerned regarding my privacy. If it's info you want, you can ask all over the forum and people will help you  but if you're looking to talk to me via Skype, I'd have to decline. Nothing personal man :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: shoryuken on February 28, 2012, 08:48:50 AM

Sorry man, especially after the news thing, I'm more concerned regarding my privacy. If it's info you want, you can ask all over the forum and people will help you  but if you're looking to talk to me via Skype, I'd have to decline. Nothing personal man :)

ill be in Beijing in a few months, im guessing you will be gone but you should still up date on your progress post surgery. I know the media thing has hurt alot of people but it would be great
if you can continue to post your progress, although obviously without revealing anything to personal as i know you want this kept secretly like the majority of us


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Gregory on February 29, 2012, 08:31:19 AM
Hey man, a fellow Xia LLer here. I was wondering how are things at the hospital now days... are the maids treating you all well? Back in the day there was this maid in the west wing near that wouldn't serve you well unless you tipped her frequently. Is she still there? Do the maids still watch soap operas where the Chinese go to war with the Japanese? Hope all is well man. I'm sorry I had to introduce myself to all you in China in such a negative manner that now I could seem like this negative character but when I saw the news I knew it wasn't going to be good for a lot of us. I think all of our stories will need to change now. Hope everyone is doing ok... send my greeting to yang yie... tell her "ni she wo de pangyou"... greets man.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on March 03, 2012, 09:53:40 PM
Hey Roc, what happened to Luffy's diary? Why did he delete it?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 04, 2012, 08:07:54 AM
Hey man, a fellow Xia LLer here. I was wondering how are things at the hospital now days... are the maids treating you all well? Back in the day there was this maid in the west wing near that wouldn't serve you well unless you tipped her frequently. Is she still there? Do the maids still watch soap operas where the Chinese go to war with the Japanese? Hope all is well man. I'm sorry I had to introduce myself to all you in China in such a negative manner that now I could seem like this negative character but when I saw the news I knew it wasn't going to be good for a lot of us. I think all of our stories will need to change now. Hope everyone is doing ok... send my greeting to yang yie... tell her "ni she wo de pangyou"... greets man.

Lol yeah.

Message me your name and where your from or something so I can relay the message; I can imagine shed love to hear from you haha


(I hate that war soap, it's so cheesy hahaha)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 04, 2012, 08:17:30 AM
Update


I'll keep this short and sweet as I still have a raging hangover from last night's drinking session with the patients lol

Okay, to those who frequent this forum enough to notice, I've been absent a lot lately and a lot of that has to do with me being "affected" by apo's little stunt. Obviously I'm not happy with it but that's not this update's point so let's just skip along now


I'm doing good. I've been trying to stand a lot more now to fix my ballerina- one f**king foot won't seem to go down as well as the other- and aside from that, I don't think I have any major problems (though I do feel some weird pain when I stand sometimes). I'll get my second X-ray post second surgery next week so hopefully nothing's bent or out of place lol


Regarding Luffy's journal, I really don't know. I'm assuming he, like all of us, just wants to maintain his privacy and to be honest, I'd probably do what he did sometime in the future

(or at the very least just erase the whole about me section)


Yeah yeah, I'm not that "popular" here anyway so it's not like I get that much views but whatever, being online is still online and it's not hard to connect two and two

(I've had 2 people ask me and guess my nationality correctly now, f**king scared the shi* out of me lol)



Happy 4th of March!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 04, 2012, 09:58:28 AM
I really enjoyed reading your journal Roc. You're one of the few people here who I actually get excited about when I see they have new posts.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 12, 2012, 10:00:57 AM
I really enjoyed reading your journal Roc. You're one of the few people here who I actually get excited about when I see they have new posts.


Thanks, appreciate the compliment dookieman ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: TrueDreams on March 12, 2012, 10:21:16 AM
In tribute to the removal of the catheter,

Remove the spaces and voila

w w w .  p o r n h u b .  c o m /photo/241675

+1 ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: TrueDreams on March 12, 2012, 10:25:22 AM
A long time ago there were a young prince named Roc who said every day, "Ah, if only I were taller," but he never grew. 

Suddenly something amazing happened.  Surfing the internet, sitting all by himself, there was a burst of light and a fairy appeared. 
 
"Don't be alarmed, young prince Roc," said the fairy.  "The wind blew me your sighs.  I know you would love to grow taller.  And so you shall!"
 
"How can I grow taller, when the growth plates in my bones have already fused?" Prince Roc replied.

The fairy explained, "There is a distant land where people can go to grow taller.  But it is not an easy undertaking.  Many kings have gone before you, and tried to grow taller, but had remained sticking fast in it, and died a pitiful death. "

But young Prince Roc was determined.  He said, "I am not afraid, I will go and have my legs lengthened. "

The fairy smiled.  "Your wish shall be fulfilled.  Before a year has gone by, you shall be 7+ cm taller. " And with a flick of her magic wand, the fairy transported the young prince to that faraway land where they eat noodles and make people taller.

Several months passed.  The young prince had to overcome many hardships, including a fearsome encounter with barbaric goblins who broke his legs and forced metal cages onto them.  But Roc heroically gained one centimeter after another, until finally he had gained an impressive 7. 8 cm of height.

At last came the day when the young prince was finally content with his height.  An atmosphere of envy and admiration pervaded the distant realm.  It was time for him to finally return home.

And so kiddies, at 8:00am today the fairy overlords came and abducted the young prince Roc.  They will make him whole again so he can return to his kingdom.

Verily the king will be astonished, and the queen, and the whole court, and they will look at each other in great astonishment.  And the horses in the courtyard will stand up and shake themselves, the hounds will jump up and wag their tails, the pigeons upon the roof will pull out their heads from under their wings, look round, and fly into the open country.

And maybe the young prince will even be married to a lovely princess, and the marriage will be celebrated with much splendor.  And they will probably have dozens of children, and lie contented to the end of their days.

Dude, I f**king love you, lmao. You made me f**king laugh with my catheter in on though :/ But I needed that, its been a while hehe


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 12, 2012, 10:32:45 AM
Update

Okay kids, it's that maajjjiiikhhuuulll time again where dear old uncle Roc bores more intimate (and sexy) details regarding his leg lengtening journey.  Without further ado, herrrreeesss Roooccccc *random, sputtered applause*

Hello! It's good to be back!

I know I know, I haven't been on air lately - a lot of things have happened here. Lots of new patients, lots of complaints, lots of merriment, and lots of pains (I believe I just made a little rhyme.)

Anyhoo, let's cut to the chase and get on with the meat and potatoes of things now shall we?

To recap, I just had my frame removals and rod insertions (in that order, if I do so believe) over a month ago. That said, there has been a positive linear correlation between the variables "recovery" and "time" , which, if you dont understand, basically means you're too young for this forum and come again 2-3 years from now.

(hah!)

Everythings good: ballerina going down; walking going up; and the likes though personally, the only thing that impedes me from walking my way to all the random places my newfound will wishes to take me are my bone growth.

According to my doctor, based on my latest X-rays bone growth is good but, like any young sap with a new set of legs, i want to use and abuse them already and there lies the problem: though callous formation is supposedly good, my left leg still has this noticeable gap which means I should still take it carefully lest I bend my rods or something. Also, in a more foreboding note, I DO feel that area getting... for lack of better term... "tender" after prolonged standings and walkings so... there goes my planned crutch race with my room mate :(

X-ray photo right here:

(http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n601/SysOpMMT/roc_xray.jpg)

That aside, there's really nothing much else I'd want to talk about. There are new patients but I'll leave them to their own as "privacy" is personally a big factor for me and of course, I'd rather not inadvertently divulge infos kept personal.

I suppose I'm nearing the end of my journey which is real good... It's been a long 6-7 months... I'm glad I'm done ;D

Take care "people of the bone"!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 12, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
ENCORE, ENCORE!!!! Ah there is nothing like reading your posts. I love how your posts have a beginning, middle, and end (I'm a big fan of the New Yorker and this is kinda like the NY of LL!). Take it easy on those pretty new legs my friend. You'll need them when you get older (in my old man's voice).


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Arche on March 12, 2012, 11:53:54 PM
Birds of a feather, people of the bone, I like it haha


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 13, 2012, 06:38:30 AM
People of the Bone, that is profound!  ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Gregory on March 13, 2012, 09:41:06 AM
Congrats man! It must be great having those frames off you :D . I remember back in the day I even had dreams where I was wearing them... and even in them I was constantly careful not to bounce them against walls and each other (ouch! just the thought)...

From now on life will only get sweeter as you continue to make small improvements towards returning to a normal walk. You will be ecstatic next time you stand up next to people at public places and you realize you are indeed taller...

I am also glad that they put three nails in your upper tibias. Back in the day, they often only put two and I have heard of at least one case where a guy broke screws in both legs post 2nd op. I know that often people race to walk post 2nd op for bragging rights and stuff, but really, take it somewhat easy on yourself. You don't want to have to go back to the hospital in a year because of broken nails/screws or because of bent rods.

One thing I will tell you is that in order for you to walk absolutely normal (without looking like C-3po), you must stretch all your muscles and tendons completely in the next several months. Perhaps the most common misconception from people of my generation is that once you are able to put your heels down on the floor, your ballerina foot was gone, and you didn't have to do anymore stretching. Wrong though! In order for your ballerina feet and knee bending to be completely gone, your tendons and muscles to be properly stretched, and for you to be able to walk without looking like a robot, you must be able to seat on the floor with your legs straight, your upper body perpendicular to them, the back of your knees must be touching the ground, and you must be able to pull back your toes at about a 75 degree angle... Something like this:

(http://i1250.photobucket.com/albums/hh524/gregulle/Post2ndopstretchingdiagram.jpg)

Just make sure to wear your leg braces as you continue to do stretching exercises in the next coming months (and take it easy during your first month to month and a half). Again, you don't want to bend or break a nail, rod, or something...


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Deus Ex on March 15, 2012, 02:15:08 PM
Hey Roc

I'm the new patient in the other building :)

Congratulations on finishing and I hope you have a safe trip back home tomorrow! Couldn't go to your party because my legs aren't just ready yet :(

Really envious of you! And I am still not sure whether I should write my own diary.  Anyway I hope you recover quickly and let us know how you're feeling back at home :)

Peace!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tramadol on March 16, 2012, 01:12:30 AM
Roc,

see you later buddy!! so sorry I couldn't come to your leaving party last night  :-[
my knees is in so much pain and my doctor had to inject morphine.

I couldn't even get on the wheelchair which i have tried.  no peking duck for me  :'(



by the way this is Al  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 16, 2012, 04:30:44 AM
To Everyone


Thanks tramadol (didn't you have an old username?) and deus ex  ;) yeah, it is too bad you weren't able to come; it's always better to drink with good company wouldn't you say?

Greguille, it's funny how we would have met, shared the same halls, ate the same food, laughed at the same weirdos, etc if only we did this at the same time. Thanks for the advice- ill take it to heart don't worry;)

And

Arche and dookieman, thanks for the constant support guys. It's been an awesome journey and I'm finally leaving this god forsaken torture-of-a-place.


To freshmad, Cdrom and Luffy, Sweatyballsack and the other person (lol), Pion, Body Builder and all the other patients I know here whose usernames I don't really know (including of course the ones mentioned above and users I've met here ):


Good luck on your individual journeys - be it pre, peri, or post lengthening. May the force be with you all "People of the Bone" ;)



(http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2010/103/1/a/SW__Darth_Vader_by_CarlosNCT.jpg)







P.S.

It's not like I'm gonna stop posting or anything, I'll probably just post less and shi* hahahha. Shutout to SysOp too for his various helps, epically when uploading my photos



(photo source: http://carlosnct.deviantart.com/art/SW-Darth-Vader-160621272    [so people can't say I'm a f**king plagiarist or somthing lol])


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 16, 2012, 04:39:43 AM
So your journey lengthening journey is over. Damn, I told myself I wasn't going to cry! :'( LOL


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Chompu Sodsai on March 16, 2012, 04:43:30 AM
Awesome photo Roc ;D

Good luck with your further recovery, and may the force be with you  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 16, 2012, 04:54:29 AM
Roc - I have a Star Wars Question for you. Have you ever wonder why Lando Calrissian wasn't Armenian?  I mean Calrissian is definitely an Armenian name. Okay, I have way to much time on my hands!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cdrom on March 16, 2012, 06:04:45 AM
Have a safe journey home, Roc.  Recover well and hope to see u again one day.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Transformer on March 16, 2012, 07:02:38 PM
Hey Roc,

Good diary.  After reading many diaries, I've decided to do my LL in Beijing this fall.  My plan is to do a minimum 8cm or maybe a little over 8cm, which should take from 5'7 to a little over 5'10.  As far as the cuts, between the double and the S cut which you did, which one is a better choice or is that something strictly the doctor chooses for you?



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 17, 2012, 05:58:12 PM
Hi,Roc! Thank you for your Diary ,it was very interesting and helpful!!! How long total time did you spend in Bijin for LL for 7. 6 cm?
Did you met any girls in the hospital,how they doing are the LL is painful for them? Are there many girls doing surgery? I wan to do the LL, but I see mostly men diaries here and don't know how girls deal with LL .


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 22, 2012, 10:32:53 AM
Princess, from what I've read on this forum women tend to do better at LL because they softer tendons than men.

Dong Mei in Beijing is an LL legend. She did 12 cm solely on her tibiae! Of course I wouldn't recommend any one doing this but I mention her because she is female.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 22, 2012, 11:58:10 AM
Hey roc:)
This is you beloved roomate, i miss you man=\ . 
.
Its not letting me pm you here idk why. 
Anyways Hope you had a good trip back. 


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 23, 2012, 11:28:07 PM
Quote from: Dookieman link=topic=4141. msg54516#msg54516 date=1332412373
Princess, from what I've read on this forum women tend to do better at LL because they softer tendons than men. 

Dong Mei in Beijing is an LL legend.  She did 12 cm solely on her tibiae! Of course I wouldn't recommend any one doing this but I mention her because she is female. 


Hi,thank you!!! good to know it!!! Where can I find her diary? I try to find some girl diary here but mostly men write here.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 24, 2012, 02:04:37 AM
Dong Mei is an LL legend but she does not have a diary here. However, the founder of this site MMT knew her because he did his LL at the same time she did hers. Here are some pics and video of her that can be found on this site.

http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=63.0


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 24, 2012, 04:44:18 AM
wow 12 cm ! She looks good! Thank you for posting this!!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 24, 2012, 04:46:42 AM
Glad you like it!  ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 24, 2012, 06:08:31 AM
Hey Princess i am rocs roomate.  Anyways  there are many female chinese patients here in beijing.  You can see and talk to them:).  They lengthened from like 7-9.  I beleieve most are almost done or nearly done and a few have just started.  Also the doctors tend to say lengthening for females is much easier than a male.  Also knowing a foreign girl coming sounds good hehe.  Its all full of guys so youl be the only foreign girl. 
Good luck:)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 24, 2012, 08:43:59 AM

Hey guys, net really sucks so I'll just try to answer questions as fast as I can:


Hey Roc,

Good diary.  After reading many diaries, I've decided to do my LL in Beijing this fall.  My plan is to do a minimum 8cm or maybe a little over 8cm, which should take from 5'7 to a little over 5'10.  As far as the cuts, between the double and the S cut which you did, which one is a better choice or is that something strictly the doctor chooses for you?



I really think the decision lies with the doctor there man.


Hi,Roc! Thank you for your Diary ,it was very interesting and helpful!!! How long total time did you spend in Bijin for LL for 7. 6 cm?
Did you met any girls in the hospital,how they doing are the LL is painful for them? Are there many girls doing surgery? I wan to do the LL, but I see mostly men diaries here and don't know how girls deal with LL .


Approx 6.5 months. Also, like what tall4all said, the general consensus is that the procedure is overall easier for girls because of their more "malleable" tendons

thanks for answering in my stead dookie ;)


Hey Princess i am rocs roomate.  Anyways  there are many female chinese patients here in beijing.  You can see and talk to them:).  They lengthened from like 7-9.  I beleieve most are almost done or nearly done and a few have just started.  Also the doctors tend to say lengthening for females is much easier than a male.  Also knowing a foreign girl coming sounds good hehe.  Its all full of guys so youl be the only foreign girl. 
Good luck:)

Lol, isn't it a bit too early to get yourself "acquainted" tall4all? She's not even there yet  ;D



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 24, 2012, 11:14:04 AM
 Hey roc, i am just tryimg to help Princess.  After all look at her name, one of my favorite disney charcters.  I loved Princess as a kid lol . 

Hey Princess dont mind i am only having fun.  But good luck again.  I might stay till you arrive, so might see you.  :)

Btw Roc i miss your sexy asian a s s :( . 


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Chompu Sodsai on March 24, 2012, 12:05:07 PM
Hey Roc, how is your ballerina and walking now mate?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on March 24, 2012, 02:47:27 PM
Thank you a lot for your diary Roc, but don't stop posting please!!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 02:05:01 AM
Quote from: Tall4all link=topic=4141. msg54648#msg54648 date=1332587644
Hey roc, i am just tryimg to help Princess.   After all look at her name, one of my favorite disney charcters.   I loved Princess as a kid lol .  

Hey Princess dont mind i am only having fun.   But good luck again.   I might stay till you arrive, so might see you.   :)

Btw Roc i miss your sexy asian a s s :( .  

  Haha thank you, Tall4all!!!  Thank you, Roc!!! How long are you going to be there Tall4all? I am planing to be in Beijing on the end of june or july.  So you said there are no english speaking girls ? maybe its good if i have chines roommate I can learn the language!!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tramadol on March 25, 2012, 05:54:04 AM
yea, theres many Chinese girls here... so dont worry about being alone  :P some Chinese girl patients can speaks good English and on the plus side you have us  ;D
sometime we get together to socialise, have food and drinking party, so there's plenty of fun!!!

i have my own room and i hope to keep it this way because you can play music loud as you want without headphone on and a whole bathroom to your self is great because you need to think about hanging towels, sharing toilet papers and drying out washed clothes.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Gregory on March 25, 2012, 06:52:13 AM
Princess will probably have her own room. Back in the day, we had a female patient from Canada, and she was given her own room with two beds. As a matter of routine, the hospital staff would almost never let an international patient room with a Chinese patient (unless they are totally out of beds). I guess they are afraid the chinese patient might tell us how little they paid for their surgery or that we will begin to go and nag at the doctors office as frequently as they do  ;D .



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 07:00:39 AM
yea, theres many Chinese girls here... so dont worry about being alone  :P some Chinese girl patients can speaks good English and on the plus side you have us  ;D
sometime we get together to socialise, have food and drinking party, so there's plenty of fun!!!

i have my own room and i hope to keep it this way because you can play music loud as you want without headphone on and a whole bathroom to your self is great because you need to think about hanging towels, sharing toilet papers and drying out washed clothes.
 Hi,Tramadol! How long have you been there? how much you LL?How painful it is?
It is so good that there are many patient and that you are spending time together!!! That is one reason why I want to go to Beijing.It is cool you have your own room,but for me I would be bored by myself ,I hope I will have a nice roommate with whom I can talk and have fun,I hate to be alone a espetially when I cant move  :)
Do you know if any girl who is in the hospital writing diaries? I would like to read and see that they say about their LL?
 And how much did you paid for your LL?How long you are going to stay over there?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 07:11:05 AM
Princess will probably have her own room. Back in the day, we had a female patient from Canada, and she was given her own room with two beds. As a matter of routine, the hospital staff would almost never let an international patient room with a Chinese patient (unless they are totally out of beds). I guess they are afraid the chinese patient might tell us how little they paid for their surgery or that we will begin to go and nag at the doctors office as frequently as they do  ;D .


;D   How long ago was that? how was your LL? how long did you staid there?
How did the girl form canada do ? so are you saying that chinese patients dont hang out with internationals?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Can somebody tell me the difference between internal and external LL? and which if faster and less painfull? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 25, 2012, 08:08:52 AM
If you're going to China you're going external. Those are the pics you've seen with the frames like in this diary.

Internal is what people like Apotheosis and Andrewshizzles have to name a couple. An example of internal is the Albizzia an internal telescopic nail consisting of a lengthening mechanism activated by a rotation. Lengthening occurs with alternate rotations of the desired bone segment. The rotation of the bone segment makes a “click” noise so that the patient knows exactly how much he or she has lengthened. The clicking principle of distraction with the Albizzia makes it the most accurate way to measure the rate of distraction.



The best place to answer all of your questions is in the FAQ section. Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 08:16:48 AM
If you're going to China you're going external. Those are the pics you've seen with the frames like in this diary.

Internal is what people like Apotheosis and Andrewshizzles have to name a couple. An example of internal is the Albizzia an internal telescopic nail consisting of a lengthening mechanism activated by a rotation. Lengthening occurs with alternate rotations of the desired bone segment. The rotation of the bone segment makes a “click” noise so that the patient knows exactly how much he or she has lengthened. The clicking principle of distraction with the Albizzia makes it the most accurate way to measure the rate of distraction.

Thank you Dookieman!!!you are so helpful !!!!

The best place to answer all of your questions is in the FAQ section. Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 08:19:09 AM
Thank you Dookieman!!!you are so helpful !!!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 25, 2012, 02:45:29 PM
Hey Princess,
No problem :) There are many chinese patients and they speak somewhat english.  And as someone else said they will not give you a room with a chinese patient.  Also i am leaving around june.  So if you come maybe mid june i might be able to say hello :)

Also if you are womdering, currently i am around 8 plus cm , going for 10 cm.  I can walk without any walker or crutches Lol hehe i shouldnt be bragging but people say i am one of a kind but i beleive its my result from hard working exercise i do everyday.  You being a girl i am sure you can reach 7-10 easly.  A chinese female patient who did 9 cm told me it wasint that painful exept the first month.  Also another girl who did 7 cm went through it without much pain compared to what i see with male patients.  I hope when you  can arrive while there are female patients still here that are either done or nearly done, so you can talk to them for a quick live diary :)

Anyways good luck :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 25, 2012, 02:48:21 PM
About no english speaking patients, sorry i meant there are no foreigners but some chinese girls can speak english:)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apotheosis on March 25, 2012, 03:15:35 PM
Also if you are womdering, currently i am around 8 plus cm , going for 10 cm.  I can walk without any walker or crutches Lol hehe i shouldnt be bragging but people say i am one of a kind but i beleive its my result from hard working exercise i do everyday.  

That's awesome that you can walk around on crutches past 8 cm (although you really shouldn't be walking without crutches, and you know that! LOL). Your hard work and exercise every day will definitely help you recover faster. We are mostly responsible for how well we do while lengthening our legs, and it's really great that you are putting in the effort and getting such a good result. Cheers.

Apotheosis


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 25, 2012, 03:26:37 PM
Quote from: Apotheosis link=topic=4141. msg54726#msg54726 date=1332688535
That's awesome that you can walk around on crutches even past 8 cm (although you shouldn't be walking without crutches, and you know that! LOL).  I'm sure your hard work and exercise every day will give you a better result and help you recover faster.  We are mostly responsible for how well we do while lengthening our legs, it's really great that you are putting in the effort and getting such a good result.  

Apotheosis

Haha. I know I shouldn't walk around without crutches which I dont while walking out But however when i am in my room i tend to walk around using just my legs perfectly normal.  The doctors here are pretty amazed, as they have said they never had a patient like me.  

I however think its due to my exercise.  I stand for about 3, 20 minute sessions a day which resulted in me having no ballerina at all thus far.   And i walk around througout the day probably a total of 3-5 hours including going up and down an inclined ramp 20 times.  

:)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 25, 2012, 03:28:28 PM
Hey roc, when you see this you are going to be thinking and laughing at what i am right now;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 25, 2012, 03:42:19 PM
Hey Princess,
No problem :) There are many chinese patients and they speak somewhat english.  And as someone else said they will not give you a room with a chinese patient.  Also i am leaving around june.  So if you come maybe mid june i might be able to say hello :)

Also if you are womdering, currently i am around 8 plus cm , going for 10 cm.  I can walk without any walker or crutches Lol hehe i shouldnt be bragging but people say i am one of a kind but i beleive its my result from hard working exercise i do everyday.  You being a girl i am sure you can reach 7-10 easly.  A chinese female patient who did 9 cm told me it wasint that painful exept the first month.  Also another girl who did 7 cm went through it without much pain compared to what i see with male patients.  I hope when you  can arrive while there are female patients still here that are either done or nearly done, so you can talk to them for a quick live diary :)

Thank you for information Tall4all! I wish I could do my LL now but I am in college now ,have to wait till summer.
and so they still dont let international stay with chinese in the same room :( I just dont want to be by alone in the room).
 
Roc, I am sorry for asking so many questions in your diary. Anyways good luck :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Apotheosis on March 25, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
Hey roc, when you see this you are going to be thinking and laughing at what i am right now;)

Yeah, I know Roc hates me now. We used to be cool, but it is what it is. :)

Apotheosis


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 25, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
Quote from: Princess link=topic=4141. msg54729#msg54729 date=1332690139
Thank you for information Tall4all! I wish I could do my LL now but I am in college now ,have to wait till summer.
and so they still dont let international stay with chinese in the same room :( I just dont want to be by alone in the room).
 
Roc, I am sorry for asking so many questions in your diary.  Anyways good luck :)

No problem:) you can hope there is a new female patient coming along with you or you will most likly be alone or hmm you can always decide to share a room with a male of your choice if you dont mind haha.  Just kidding lol ;) . 
 If you have any other questions about beijing i can try to help you out:)


Good luck again:)




Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on March 25, 2012, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: Apotheosis link=topic=4141. msg54730#msg54730 date=1332691307
Yeah, I know Roc hates me now.  We used to be cool, but it is what it is.  :)

Apotheosis

No man.  Its totally something else not about Roc but something else he will know.  
BTW, I am sure he doesn't hate you, he's an amazing friendly guy.  Why would hate you?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Gregory on March 25, 2012, 07:27:33 PM
;D   How long ago was that? how was your LL? how long did you staid there?
How did the girl form canada do ? so are you saying that chinese patients dont hang out with internationals?

I did my LL about 2 years ago. I will break down the times for you.

There are 3 surgeries with Dr. Xia: 1 for putting the frames, a 2nd one for removing the frames while living internal rods in your legs, and a 3rd for removing the internal rods once your bones have fully consolidated.
You stay in the hospital in the times between your 1st and 2nd surgeries which could take anywhere from 3 to 8 months depending on 1)how much you lengthen 2)Whether you have complications while lengthening 3) how fast you lengthen. Patients, on average, stayed for a period of 4.5 months. If you do only 5cm you might stay in the hospital for about 3.5 months. After 5 cms the rate at which you lengthen tends to slow for every new cm that you add because the muscles and tendons start getting too stretched too far apart and they normally can't keep up as easily as first (reason why you should stretch muscles before and during LL).

After your second surgery it takes about 1 month to begin moving with crutches around everywhere, and between 2 to 3 months post surgery to begin walking without crutches--all these on average it could be faster or slower. Note that to begin walking without crutches only means that you might be able to walk for a few yards. You will not be able to walk down the stairs face forward without support for 4 months post 2nd op. You will not be able to jump, run, bounce, until your third surgery (unless you want to break a nail or bend your rod [Jackolife did it but in my pure opinion it was crazy for him to do]). The period between your 2nd and 3rd surgeries varies. According to the hospital it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year, but there are many people that don't fully consolidate for 2 years post 2nd op.

The female patient that I mentioned was returning to China because a few months after her LL, her nails supporting the internal rods broke and the rod moved away from where it was supposed to be. There definitely are cases of complications in China but it is often because the doctors didn't tell patients what they could and couldn't do post 2nd op, and more than a few have gotten confident and walked, ran, bounced, danced, then broken nails and then had to return to the hospital because of it.

Regarding friendships between international patients and the Chinese. I will again say that many of my best friends in China were Chinese, but I was an exception. Most foreign patients don't talk much to Chinese patients because of the language/cultural barrier.There are always a few English speaking Chinese patients in China and while you won't room with them, you will see them at the yard. Many of them love practicing their English skills so I am sure you will make Chinese friends if you want. People often go and visit their friends at their respective rooms. Sometimes patients organize parties. I'm sure that if you insist to Ronnie and the doctors about having a Chinese female patient roommate, they will let you do so. EVERYTHING is negotiable in China, if you know how to ask/insist/demand.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 25, 2012, 09:57:36 PM
Hey Princess,
No problem :) There are many chinese patients and they speak somewhat english.  And as someone else said they will not give you a room with a chinese patient.  Also i am leaving around june.  So if you come maybe mid june i might be able to say hello :)

Also if you are womdering, currently i am around 8 plus cm , going for 10 cm.  I can walk without any walker or crutches Lol hehe i shouldnt be bragging but people say i am one of a kind but i beleive its my result from hard working exercise i do everyday.  You being a girl i am sure you can reach 7-10 easly.  A chinese female patient who did 9 cm told me it wasint that painful exept the first month.  Also another girl who did 7 cm went through it without much pain compared to what i see with male patients.  I hope when you  can arrive while there are female patients still here that are either done or nearly done, so you can talk to them for a quick live diary :)

Anyways good luck :)

Wow your gains are fantastic! Keep up the good work!!!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on March 26, 2012, 07:14:09 AM
Wow, people have been really contributing recently; that's good for the community I guess. Just came in for a quick update and was surprised by the traffic here.

For the most part, I'll let you guys discuss amongst yourselves as I seriously have bad net here in my temporary "abode" and im in no mood to tally due to it but I will try to address some of the people here:

Princess: I see you're becoming serious about this. All I can say is best of luck if you really want to pursue this though it is, as has been said innumerable times, different for everyone so my advice to you would be, be forewarned of the "difficulty." Call me a pessimist (although really, I believe myself to be a realist) but id prefer myself - as I did when I finally took the plunge- to expect hardships and be pleasantly surprised by the lack of it rather than dive in with rose colored lenses and be disillusioned only afterwards.

Dookie: hey man, you're quite a frequenter on this forum now aren't you? (I may be downplaying it a bit arent i? Lol) Dude you better make a journal for yourself when you finally go under the knife - I'm sure yours would be interesting and very insightful to say the least


Apo: hey. As I've made clear on this forum, I'm not happy with your decision of going out in public (as a lot of people I know who've done/ are doing LL are) but that doesn't mean we can't be civil right? Thanks for dropping by the journal ;)


Tramadol: heyy, someone seems like theyre enjoying the drinking a lot hahaha. God I miss drinking, (no it'll be too weird to get wasted in my place alone. I am still in hiding which sucks )



Tall4all: you sly little fox you. Haven't you had enough share of ladies there? Poor other patients, you keep on hogging all the girls to yourself lol (mind you, this guy IS a looker lol). Remember that thing weve talked about at times. The thing cdrom and Luffy also seemed to take intErnest in? Better not forget that hahaha



Okayy, as for the update, I'll keep it short and sweet.


I've been doing what, well, what the doctors have prescribed me: moderate amounts of standing and walking. In actuality, I've been doing less to err on caution's side but even with my precautions, I, just yesterday, started experiencing these pains on my right leg near the screws. Could simply be a temporary discomfort caused by standing (which is weird cause again, I've only been doing 15 mins of standing/ walking as opposed to the 45 the doctors prescribed me and it's NEVER happened on my right leg before ) or an infection (I'm shooting in the dark here)

Basically, I'm just scared i might've bent a screw or something as it does hurt a lot when I touch the aforementioned area but im hoping it's just one of the two less serious scenarios above


Just took an antibiotic and will be taking them for a time (hey, Ronne did say that if I felt like I had one just take them)


There you go, guess I ended up saying a lot more than I initially expected.

Good luck People of the Bone  ;D



Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 26, 2012, 09:26:57 AM
ROC- Thanks for the shout out brother. I cannot wait to get my surgery.

I'm glad you and Apotheosis are cool or should I say 'civil'? You guys are two of my favorite LL patients and so, in the words of Rodney King..."CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?"  :P


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Deus Ex on March 26, 2012, 12:03:45 PM
Hi Roc,

Glad to hear that you're doing well :) Hope the right leg isn't a serious problem.

And also, since you have your frames removed, maybe you should trying cycling on a stationary bike. That way you can strengthen your leg muscles but there won't be any impact or weight on your legs so no worries about screw bending or breaking your rod, etc. Or am I completely wrong here?

And I heard from the other patients that you were worried about your proportions and I am exactly in the same position as you. Same wingspan or might be a bit smaller than my height pre-surgery. So when I am all done, my height will be around 8 cm longer than my wingspan.
So I'm wondering, what do you think of your proportions now? Do they look fine to you?

Keep us updated! :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 27, 2012, 02:02:11 AM
I did my LL about 2 years ago. I will break down the times for you.

There are 3 surgeries with Dr. Xia: 1 for putting the frames, a 2nd one for removing the frames while living internal rods in your legs, and a 3rd for removing the internal rods once your bones have fully consolidated.
You stay in the hospital in the times between your 1st and 2nd surgeries which could take anywhere from 3 to 8 months depending on 1)how much you lengthen 2)Whether you have complications while lengthening 3) how fast you lengthen. Patients, on average, stayed for a period of 4.5 months. If you do only 5cm you might stay in the hospital for about 3.5 months. After 5 cms the rate at which you lengthen tends to slow for every new cm that you add because the muscles and tendons start getting too stretched too far apart and they normally can't keep up as easily as first (reason why you should stretch muscles before and during LL).

After your second surgery it takes about 1 month to begin moving with crutches around everywhere, and between 2 to 3 months post surgery to begin walking without crutches--all these on average it could be faster or slower. Note that to begin walking without crutches only means that you might be able to walk for a few yards. You will not be able to walk down the stairs face forward without support for 4 months post 2nd op. You will not be able to jump, run, bounce, until your third surgery (unless you want to break a nail or bend your rod [Jackolife did it but in my pure opinion it was crazy for him to do]). The period between your 2nd and 3rd surgeries varies. According to the hospital it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year, but there are many people that don't fully consolidate for 2 years post 2nd op.

The female patient that I mentioned was returning to China because a few months after her LL, her nails supporting the internal rods broke and the rod moved away from where it was supposed to be. There definitely are cases of complications in China but it is often because the doctors didn't tell patients what they could and couldn't do post 2nd op, and more than a few have gotten confident and walked, ran, bounced, danced, then broken nails and then had to return to the hospital because of it.

Regarding friendships between international patients and the Chinese. I will again say that many of my best friends in China were Chinese, but I was an exception. Most foreign patients don't talk much to Chinese patients because of the language/cultural barrier.There are always a few English speaking Chinese patients in China and while you won't room with them, you will see them at the yard. Many of them love practicing their English skills so I am sure you will make Chinese friends if you want. People often go and visit their friends at their respective rooms. Sometimes patients organize parties. I'm sure that if you insist to Ronnie and the doctors about having a Chinese female patient roommate, they will let you do so. EVERYTHING is negotiable in China, if you know how to ask/insist/demand.



gregulle thank you very much for sharing this information I really appreciate it! I hope I will be there this summer!!! ;D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 27, 2012, 02:03:47 AM
Guys,I know some of you dont have your own diary,but still thank you for sharing with the information it is very helpful for people like me who wants do LL but dont know that to expect and where to start. I cant wait to start my own diary!!! :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: ballsacksRevenge on March 30, 2012, 09:38:17 AM
Whats up Roc, it's been a couple days since your last update.  My original username got banned for some reason so thats why I'm now "ballsack's revenge" .  I concerned about your leg, and I hope it has gotten better since your last update.  I know how cautious you've been so far, so it doesn't add up

Anyways, we miss you man.  Our side of the hospital is almost completely empty now.  Whenever there's a full moon outside we gather around and tell stories about you . . .  sometimes I hear patients I don't even know whispering myths and legends about the Roc of yesteryear . . .

Oh, and I dont know who this Princess character is, but if she wasn't a girl somebody would've pointed out that she's hijacked your diary


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Redemption on March 30, 2012, 09:52:07 AM
Whats up Roc, it's been a couple days since your last update.  My original username got banned for some reason so thats why I'm now "ballsack's revenge" .  I concerned about your leg, and I hope it has gotten better since your last update.  I know how cautious you've been so far, so it doesn't add up

Anyways, we miss you man.  Our side of the hospital is almost completely empty now.  Whenever there's a full moon outside we gather around and tell stories about you . . .  sometimes I hear patients I don't even know whispering myths and legends about the Roc of yesteryear . . .

Oh, and I dont know who this Princess character is, but if she wasn't a girl somebody would've pointed out that she's hijacked your diary

HAHAHAHA your name made me laugh so much!

ballsacksRevenge? lol

Just the idea of a ballsack seeking revenge is hilarious. Damn my vulgar sense of humour.   :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 30, 2012, 11:08:09 AM
HAHAHAHA your name made me laugh so much!

ballsacksRevenge? lol

Just the idea of a ballsack seeking revenge is hilarious. Damn my vulgar sense of humour.   :D

Just the idea of a ballsack seeking revenge is hilarious. Damn my vulgar sense of humor.  That made me laugh! Sophomoric yes but it still made me laugh!  :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: SysOp on March 30, 2012, 11:21:12 AM
Whats up Roc, it's been a couple days since your last update.  My original username got banned for some reason so thats why I'm now "ballsack's revenge" .  I concerned about your leg, and I hope it has gotten better since your last update.  I know how cautious you've been so far, so it doesn't add up

Anyways, we miss you man.  Our side of the hospital is almost completely empty now.  Whenever there's a full moon outside we gather around and tell stories about you . . .  sometimes I hear patients I don't even know whispering myths and legends about the Roc of yesteryear . . .

Oh, and I dont know who this Princess character is, but if she wasn't a girl somebody would've pointed out that she's hijacked your diary

You didn't get banned Ballsack, the IP you were using was also being used by someone else who was banned. This happens often when people in Beijing get banned. I unbanned the IP, so you can use your original username again if you wish.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: EuroPrincess on March 30, 2012, 01:49:30 PM
hijacked ? Oh, is that how now calls when someone read the diary and being active by asking question?
I know it is not my diary and I already appologized to Roc for that.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: ballsacksRevenge on March 31, 2012, 04:48:50 AM
Cinderelly, Cinderelly .  I was making fun of the guys more than I was making fun of you (everyone is 10x nicer and answers are 10x longer because you're a girl).  But I guess I wasn't being a gentleman.  A gentle ballsack, if you will

Because Even a scrotum should be courteous to a princess like you.  Really, Princess, I don't know what to say . . .  Sorry? Hope to hear from you again? Bippidy - boppity - boo? :-/


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on March 31, 2012, 08:07:54 AM
Cinderelly, Cinderelly .  I was making fun of the guys more than I was making fun of you (everyone is 10x nicer and answers are 10x longer because you're a girl).  But I guess I wasn't being a gentleman.  A gentle ballsack, if you will

Because Even a scrotum should be courteous to a princess like you.  Really, Princess, I don't know what to say . . .  Sorry? Hope to hear from you again? Bippidy - boppity - boo? :-/

You did not just say all of that! LMBO!!! :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Redemption on March 31, 2012, 08:33:47 AM
damn, looks like ballsack got his revenge.....

*hold for laughter*


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Deus Ex on March 31, 2012, 01:13:13 PM
Cinderelly, Cinderelly .  I was making fun of the guys more than I was making fun of you (everyone is 10x nicer and answers are 10x longer because you're a girl).  But I guess I wasn't being a gentleman.  A gentle ballsack, if you will

Because Even a scrotum should be courteous to a princess like you.  Really, Princess, I don't know what to say . . .  Sorry? Hope to hear from you again? Bippidy - boppity - boo? :-/

I laughed pretty hard at this. Such a funny dude :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Gregory on April 12, 2012, 07:28:45 AM
Okayy, as for the update, I'll keep it short and sweet.


I've been doing what, well, what the doctors have prescribed me: moderate amounts of standing and walking. In actuality, I've been doing less to err on caution's side but even with my precautions, I, just yesterday, started experiencing these pains on my right leg near the screws. Could simply be a temporary discomfort caused by standing (which is weird cause again, I've only been doing 15 mins of standing/ walking as opposed to the 45 the doctors prescribed me and it's NEVER happened on my right leg before ) or an infection (I'm shooting in the dark here)

Basically, I'm just scared i might've bent a screw or something as it does hurt a lot when I touch the aforementioned area but im hoping it's just one of the two less serious scenarios above


Just took an antibiotic and will be taking them for a time (hey, Ronne did say that if I felt like I had one just take them)


There you go, guess I ended up saying a lot more than I initially expected.

Good luck People of the Bone  ;D



Hey man, just passing by to visit a fellow Xia LLer. I just wanted to let you know that some of the pains you are experiencing (or experienced) are very likely normal. I experienced similar pains in the screw sites.

For sure, make sure you get your x-rays in the three months post surgery. In case that the nails do bend, you want to make sure you know about it before your bone consolidates. I have heard some stories....

Regarding exercises, from my point of view--and you hopefully heard it from whoever was your duty doctor--is to take as many baths of hot water and do your standing and stretching exercises right afterwards. From what I heard from Dr. Pung back in the day is that the rod should be strong enough to support all your weight with no problem, as long as you don't stomp on the ground.

Take care brother, and keep us updated. May tramadols be with you...


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on April 14, 2012, 09:22:23 AM
Update


By guys. I'm mostly just updating due to tall4alls request haha.

Hey revenge, leave the poor girl alone though I can't say that wasn't funny hahaha (stop being mean you guys)


Now as for me... Nothing's really changed. Seriously guys, once you're back, you just want to get back to your life (hence my very seldom updating lol)

I'm still like before, I can't say my ballerina's improved but I'm not worried cause I'm not even pushing myself when it comes to standing (waiting for X-ray ; I don't want to push myself and have to go back to china if something happened )

Good luck every body, I'm not dead don't worry hahaha.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on April 30, 2012, 10:04:56 AM
Hey man, just passing by to visit a fellow Xia LLer. I just wanted to let you know that some of the pains you are experiencing (or experienced) are very likely normal. I experienced similar pains in the screw sites.

For sure, make sure you get your x-rays in the three months post surgery. In case that the nails do bend, you want to make sure you know about it before your bone consolidates. I have heard some stories....

...

Take care brother, and keep us updated. May tramadols be with you...

Hey greg, care to expound on the screw pains you mentioned?

The pain last time went away but now it's back and it's throbbing even when I don't stand :/

Frankly, I'm scared it might be an infection

Thanks a bunch man


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Gregory on April 30, 2012, 10:46:42 PM
Hey greg, care to expound on the screw pains you mentioned?

The pain last time went away but now it's back and it's throbbing even when I don't stand :/

Frankly, I'm scared it might be an infection

Thanks a bunch man

Hey Roc, during my first few months post 2nd surgery, I used to have pains around my pin sites most often when I did a lot of walking, standing, or sometimes when I stomped on the floor by accident. Otherwise, I did have some days of intense muscle pains but these happened only during the first few weeks when I was back home from the hospital, and I am confident that they were because the muscles were growing and stretching. I know that because it was the whole muscles surrounding both of my tibias that were in pain and they were quite similar to growing pains I used to have as an adolescent.

Now all I can say is that ultimately I am not a doctor so I wouldn't be able to tell you if your pain could be that of an infection. I think that depending on how much pain you have, you should seriously consider going to the doctor, especially if the pain is much greater in one leg than in the other, or whether this pain is very intense in one specific area of your tibia. Also you might want to get in touch with Tarnor as he did have an internal infection post-op and should know what the symptoms are or what the pain would feel like.

Hope all is well with you my friend,

-G


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on May 01, 2012, 02:32:35 AM
Ooohh thanks for that.

Didn't know about tarnor. I'll go ask him now


The pain is mostly isolated around a screw site that's why I'm worried

Thanks:)6


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on May 03, 2012, 06:14:45 AM
I'm sorry to hear about that Roc. You might need to check with a local doctor. I didn't have any pains at the screw sites.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on May 03, 2012, 07:48:16 AM
I'm sorry to hear about that Roc. You might need to check with a local doctor. I didn't have any pains at the screw sites.

Luffy! Hey haha

Yay, I'm gonna visit one tomorrow. Thanks for dropping by;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on May 03, 2012, 07:50:10 AM
Update

Aside from the shitty problem of my possible infection, i have had the best news I've had for weeks



I can walk without my supporters now! :D


Hurray!



Just took my first steps without them earlier and it's AWEEESSOMMMEE



okay got to go test drive these babies again :D


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on May 03, 2012, 10:44:21 AM
AWESOME NEWS BRO GLAD TO HEAR YOU'VE FINALLY TURNED THE CORNER! ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on May 06, 2012, 07:47:25 AM
Thanks dookie ;)


Just a quick update


I have talked to a orthopedic and it wasn't an infection. He diagnosed me with an inflamed area around the screw due to irritation.

I'm taking anti-inflammatory drugs and a topical cream right now and it seems better

Just wanted to drop in to say that haha.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on May 06, 2012, 10:56:12 AM
Ahhh I see! Well that is a very good thing. I mean a blessing in disguise!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on July 16, 2012, 04:37:51 AM
Holy shi*. After writing a really long post my iPad crashed on me.


Dddaaammnittt



Fine. Ill summarize


- inflammation mentioned above? Happened again twice
- local doctor finally suggested surgery to remove irritant screw
- miss Ronne also mentioned it but I'm waiting on their reply as of the moment (reviewing my latest X-rays)


Point? Major inconvenience. Not to mention I did not expect this

What's the pain like? For those who've had infection with their frames on (come on... Who hasn't?) , that's what it feels like.

Due to this issue (me walking normally then suddenly limping week in week out), I think my workmates have an idea of my surgery now (knew these people from way before. They know I came back from china taller)


Basically, not in a good mood


On a lighter note, of course I'm happy with my gained height. Though there really is this intrinsic fear of getting shorter again lol (I check myself a couple of times a week haha)


To those in Beijing hospital right now, are the doctors in vacation or something? Somebody kindly remind miss Ronne to email me back please. Im still waiting for the go signal to remove this bad boy out

Also, how are you Luffy, CDROM, and freshmad??

Let's not forget sweatyballsack and the others (they read the posts, just don't really "post" so I forget their usernames haha)

Best of luck to all of you!

Roc *squawk squawk*


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: luffy on July 16, 2012, 05:00:36 AM
Damn you still have problem with the screw ? I hope you will get it fixed soon

How's your ballerina?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Deus Ex on July 16, 2012, 09:40:11 AM
Hey Roc,

It's pretty disheartening to hear about the screw again.
Your bone isn't 100% consolidated right?
Then what will happen if you get that screw removed?
Will the local doctor/surgeon replace it?

If I see Ronne I'll tell her that you need a reply ASAP.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: earl25 on July 16, 2012, 12:51:54 PM
Sounds like there have been a lot of post surgical problems occurring at home from people who had it done in Beijing. Do you think people should stay in china longer like minimum 6 months?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on July 17, 2012, 12:52:02 AM
Hey guys

Ronne just emailed me back yesterday and it's a go for the surgery.

I've scheduled it for this coming Friday


@luffy: I still have some ballerina after I wake up but a minute of standing or two seems to be enough stretching. Though whenever I sit down for prolonged times (like a 2 hour car ride for example), it tends to come back. Nothing big. You just can't stand and walk normally immediately. What I do is I stand and act like I'm stretching my back lol

@deus ex: nope my bone hasn't fully consolidated yet but the screw needs to be removed. The blood markers i kept on getting were very "inconsistent" (doc's words). It would show signs bordering on infection but it wasn't really infected, etc.

Regarding the surgery itself, my doc and Ronne mentioned something about the lone screw being able to support the weight since my bone has consolidted enough (lucky for me yay) so the removal of the affected one shouldn't be a problem. In other words, no replacement; just the old "simple cut in and remove irritant screw" routine


@earl25: hey earl. Personally, given my timeframe there (I was just out of college), I would've stayed there till my bone had fully consolidated. No rods no nothing; just old school frames and then after the lengthening, wait it out. Why? The frames are much, much stronger than the rods and with them still on, you can do any kind of correction you would want done as opposed to the rods; when they go in, that's that.

Hey that's "my" 2 cents. I know not a lot of people can afford (talking about time, not money) to stay that long


Will update this after suegery and shiz


Roc *squawk squawk*


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Ilike8cm on July 17, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Best of luck this Friday!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: earl25 on July 17, 2012, 02:53:05 PM
But if you stay the whole time in Beijing wouldn't the cost add and then Beijing would cost the same as Betz or dr m in the USA?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on July 18, 2012, 05:31:14 AM
Best of luck this Friday!

Thanks Ilike8cm

But if you stay the whole time in Beijing wouldn't the cost add and then Beijing would cost the same as Betz or dr m in the USA?

I really haven't done the math but probably, though you forget, in china you're surrounded by doctors and nurses 24/7, not to mention the support group of other patients.

You lie in bed the whole day, doing your own stuff while chefs and maid's bring your food, wash your clothes, handle your groceries, etc.

Now it's really up to you but I'm just saying, in my case, would've rather stayed.

Cheers People of the Bone

*squawk*


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on July 20, 2012, 05:57:37 AM
Hey Roc bro. i hope everything is okay and your surgery goes well and you have no other problems. It must suck going back and more infections =/. take care and good luck.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on July 22, 2012, 01:26:34 PM
Thanks tall4all



Again in a hurry so short and sweet


Surgery done and i feel okay.

To cut it short, I now have my right lower screw missing (I have an X-ray but it's such a pain posting photos here. Wish you could just upload stuff and not have to link it to some photo sharing site haha)

I'll "maybe" post it when I don't feel so lazy though truth be told, just imagine the usual X-rays you see with rods minus the screw

Still some pain but that's cause of the wound. Feels awesome that the screw is out. Doc said when he opened me up, the scar tissues that developed around the screw site started hitting the nerves- that was the cause of the pain and swelling / inflammation.

there ya go, just a quick update. Now I have to do my own stuff. Back to the real world people

Cheers!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on July 22, 2012, 01:59:27 PM
Thanks for the update! God speed my friend!  ;)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: earl25 on August 08, 2012, 12:50:13 AM
Hey guys

Ronne just emailed me back yesterday and it's a go for the surgery.

I've scheduled it for this coming Friday


@luffy: I still have some ballerina after I wake up but a minute of standing or two seems to be enough stretching. Though whenever I sit down for prolonged times (like a 2 hour car ride for example), it tends to come back. Nothing big. You just can't stand and walk normally immediately. What I do is I stand and act like I'm stretching my back lol

@deus ex: nope my bone hasn't fully consolidated yet but the screw needs to be removed. The blood markers i kept on getting were very "inconsistent" (doc's words). It would show signs bordering on infection but it wasn't really infected, etc.

Regarding the surgery itself, my doc and Ronne mentioned something about the lone screw being able to support the weight since my bone has consolidted enough (lucky for me yay) so the removal of the affected one shouldn't be a problem. In other words, no replacement; just the old "simple cut in and remove irritant screw" routine


@earl25: hey earl. Personally, given my timeframe there (I was just out of college), I would've stayed there till my bone had fully consolidated. No rods no nothing; just old school frames and then after the lengthening, wait it out. Why? The frames are much, much stronger than the rods and with them still on, you can do any kind of correction you would want done as opposed to the rods; when they go in, that's that.

Hey that's "my" 2 cents. I know not a lot of people can afford (talking about time, not money) to stay that long


Will update this after suegery and shiz


Roc *squawk squawk*



But if you did that with no rod wouldnt bone popping like ilike is getting be a major issue. how would they correct it if you wemt with external only for like a year.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: cimob on August 30, 2012, 02:51:13 AM
Hi Roc,

Thanks for the great diary! I have a question:

Did you get calf hypertrophy with LL? Do you know if it is permanent? My calves are much thinner than my thighs and so I would appreciate the extra muscle in the calves.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: jd90210 on October 09, 2012, 12:59:41 AM
Quote from: cimob link=topic=4141. msg64090#msg64090 date=1346295073
Hi Roc,

Thanks for the great diary! I have a question:

Did you get calf hypertrophy with LL? Do you know if it is permanent? My calves are much thinner than my thighs and so I would appreciate the extra muscle in the calves. 

Thanks!

I'm not sure where the idea comes from that LL on tibias can cause calf hypertrophy.   You are more likely to get the opposite.   First, humans lose a huge amount of muscle mass in a short period of time; even being bedridden for as little as seven days can cause significant muscle atrophy, so you can imagine what six months of lying in a bed 23 hours a day can do for you.   Second, during lengthening your calves are of course being stretched lengthwise so they will (all things being equal) reduce in diameter.
In my own experience, since my LL my calves have returned to probably 80% of their former size.   It's difficult to say, because it's difficult to remember.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: kentonite on October 29, 2012, 03:55:33 AM
 ;D WOW i've read the whole 18 pages over 2 days !!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA.  i got to say this journal is very interesting like how roc introduces new characters like the kid with the PS3.  Roc did u happen to play COD with your friends at beijing? great time killer wouldn't it be.  And thanks everyone for telling me how it is getting leg lengthening.  I know it is a excruciating process but from what i've read all you guys seem like awesome people and it makes me feel that i won't be journeying alone if i decide to do LL  :-X . 
O yea one question.  if i do LL will i be able to lift weights afterwards because i want to get an awesome body.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 25, 2013, 09:49:32 AM
Hi guys, long time no check in. It's been some time since my experience and to answer just a few questions:

I've heard of calf hypertrophy but personally haven't experienced it. I have chicken legs now so that's sad.

Regarding lifting weights, yeah of course. Avoid putting undue stress to your legs though; I think I slightly bowed my legs by simply walking too soon.

Lastly, I'm going to visit back soon. I cant seem to reach Ronne though, anybody have her number?

Cheers guys and to everybody in Beijing right now, ill see you soon!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Sweden on October 25, 2013, 12:08:17 PM
No - give us a real update!!

Can you run, jump? Stretch problems? Ballerina? Pain? Ache? Fully flexible as one should or do you even care?

How much can you pull your feet up?

At what percentage do you believe your back at as you were before?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Roc on October 26, 2013, 12:41:20 AM
Chill man, don't get your panties up in a bunch hahaha.

Im provably around 70%

I could be wrong but I have this fear that running might bow my legs. Don't know if my bones have fully healed yet. really need ronne's number here.... after my check up then ill update!

Been busy guys. After this, life just goes on. I think my friends know something but hey, aside from a trusted few, let them think eh? I'm using my phone to update. It's really tiresome. Im also working so not in the mood.  ;D

As a final note for now to those curious, of course I'm happy with my new height


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: stevie on October 27, 2013, 02:30:02 AM
Ronnie number: 0086-13621226277

86 is China code.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Eric.Donovan on November 28, 2013, 01:20:51 AM
Hi, I'm new here and I'm testing the messaging system. . .  also Dr.  Xia doesn't seem to be answering my emails? Does anyone maybe know why?


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Tall4all on December 03, 2013, 05:57:42 AM
Hey Roc! Hows it going. I havent been on here lately but i got your pm. Let me know when you come nyc. We can defianttly hang out! Btw hows life back? And is it possible to to have your legs bowed?;,scaring me =x Btw for anyone else wantign to know aftermath I can pretty much play basketball and run atm after lengthening about 10cm about the same time Roc was done. Idk if i should be doing that but ahh i already started lol. No problems I feel the same i did before i did the surgery except that my right foot toes seem to ache at times. Anyways i want to lengthen more lol but maybe one day when i am wealthy lol. Anyways Roc pm me your email.
GOD BLESS=]


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Va_ller on December 17, 2013, 02:38:57 PM
Quote from: Eric. Donovan link=topic=4141. msg89675#msg89675 date=1385601651
Hi, I'm new here and I'm testing the messaging system.  .  .   also Dr.   Xia doesn't seem to be answering my emails? Does anyone maybe know why?

Eric, I too messaged Dr.  Xia and received no response.   Frustrating. . . as he is the only doctor on the recommended list with an affordable price.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Deus Ex on December 18, 2013, 10:21:06 AM
Eric, I too messaged Dr.  Xia and received no response.   Frustrating. . . as he is the only doctor on the recommended list with an affordable price.

For international enquiries, you should email Ronne: leglengthening@aliyun.com


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Deus Ex on December 18, 2013, 10:23:22 AM
Hey Roc! Hows it going. I havent been on here lately but i got your pm. Let me know when you come nyc. We can defianttly hang out! Btw hows life back? And is it possible to to have your legs bowed?;,scaring me =x Btw for anyone else wantign to know aftermath I can pretty much play basketball and run atm after lengthening about 10cm about the same time Roc was done. Idk if i should be doing that but ahh i already started lol. No problems I feel the same i did before i did the surgery except that my right foot toes seem to ache at times. Anyways i want to lengthen more lol but maybe one day when i am wealthy lol. Anyways Roc pm me your email.
GOD BLESS=]

Crazy man. I still try not to put pressure on my rods, so I don't even jog, let alone play basketball and all that haha. Glad to hear you're doing well.

I hope I can take my rods out soon. Will take an X-ray soon :)


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: acw88 on January 15, 2014, 02:03:43 PM
Why haven't there been any new patient diaries for Dr.  Xia? The most recent ones are from 2012.

Also, what is the best way to reach him? Several emails to the email address on their website have yet to receive responses and it's been about 2 months.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on January 18, 2014, 08:23:08 PM
It could just be that a lot of people aren't writing diaries. Dr. Xia has a lot of patients who are not members of this site, or who simply don't wish to publish a diary.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: acw88 on January 21, 2014, 10:17:47 PM
That's possible, but it seems weird that there has been a post every year except for the most recent years.

How many patients does he have? Also, I thought Dr.  Xia was retired?

I guess I'm worried about going over there and getting kidnapped/scammed out of $xx,000.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Dookieman on January 25, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
Oh no he has many patients. Many don't know about the site and others just don't want to write a diary.

However, I can understand your concern. If you get there and thinks aren't how you would like, you can bail. No sense being somewhere where you don't feel comfortable.


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: Twister on May 21, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
Sysop
Sorry if I write to you in this section but I need you to write to my email very soon because i have a serious problem with the forum, I will explain to you privately
Thank you very much!


Title: Re: Roc - External Tibias - Dr. Xia - 2011 - Beijing Baby!
Post by: puala on May 27, 2014, 09:30:16 PM
Roc it's been around 2 and a half years now.  Since when could you walk normally without people suspecting?


Reading femur lengthening diaries they seem to recover much faster.


Also when you wear shoes do your proportions change a lot, do your femurs look smaller?


Thanks