MMT Community

Make Me Taller - General Leg Lengthening => Proportions Discussion - What Do You Think of My Proportions? => Topic started by: MMTA on October 12, 2006, 11:16:10 AM



Title: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 12, 2006, 11:16:10 AM
Proportions Photos!

OK, it's the most popular question on the board at the moment - proportions.

Let's keep proportion discussions in here to keep the boards neat and tidy :)

One of the other patients here was kind enough to let me take a picture of his lower legs - which he has lengthened by 8.8cm! (88mm).

I repeat. This guy has lengthened by 8.8cm. I took these pictures today when he came into my room to say hello.

(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Pink a.jpg)

(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Pink b.jpg)

He is still in the process of recovering, so he doesn't stand or walk a lot, but I'll try get more pictures of him soon.

This guy was 159cm before his operation and is now 168cm. His legs look pretty good in my opinion, although he had a lot of complications along the way and didn't exercise for a couple of months, so he is spending another month recovering before he can walk fully unsupported.

His treatment took seven months and he had a lot of problems with pain and stuff, but this guy is a trooper and was determined to stick with the programme.

Now he walks with crutches and is also wearing the support frames that were made for him, which you can see in the picture.

He can't afford to stay in the hospital and has moved to a hotel, but the hospital let him come back every day to use the gym room and in my opinion, he is progressing really well.

When I get one of him standing, I'll get it posted up in this section for you.

I also hoping tomorrow get some of the female patients soon, and an Asian male model who is coming in tomorrow to get his nail taken out.

More photos soon! :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: anonymous1 on October 12, 2006, 03:46:34 PM
i'm sorry but the photo i useless in talking about proportions if the patient isn't standing up and looking straight at the camera. also he must be wearing tight-fitted clothing (maybe some small shorts and a tight t-shirt) to really see if the proportions are noticeable. can't do anything with this photo.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 12, 2006, 03:57:17 PM
all I have to ay is that's alot. Especially for a guy of short stature. The shorter you are, the bigger difference it's going to make in proportion. But who knows, maybe this guy had really short tibias. But in any case, I'm sure he's happy wit the new height.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 12, 2006, 08:46:26 PM

Hi MMT,

Thanks a million for the photos! It is kind of hard to tell how well he carries the new length in his tibias (proportion wise) without seeing him standing. That is the only way to really see how his tibs look in relation to his femurs, and the rest of his body overall. I am not really sure, but it looks like his tibias are really really long and probably out of proportion with his femurs, not sure though. Lengthening almost 4 inches in only one segment seems like it would definately look strange. You say that his legs pretty good in your opinion, do you think his proportions are still acceptable? I am sure that he is ecstatic about the height he gained, but is he personally concerned with proportions, or just height?

I am personally struggling with which bones I should lengthen (tibs vs femurs) when I have my own LL. I am very concerned with proportions because I do not want my legs to look strange. :o I am 41 years old and I stand 5' 7 and 3/4 inches in my bare feet. I would like to gain 6-7cm to get to a solid 5' 10"+ which will be awesome as far my height goes, I just want to avoid looking like a praying mantis or something. ;)

Anyways, thanks again for the photos and for everything that you are doing to share your LL experience with those of us who are seeking information about LL. You rock dude!!! :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 12, 2006, 09:56:01 PM
well it looks like you're the popular one now MMT, lol.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 13, 2006, 01:19:12 AM
Thanks, guys! :)

Don't worry, there are more photos coming - as you can imagine, it's a little hard to convince people to let you take their photos, but I'm working my charm ;)

Mr Pink, the guy you can see here, will be walking and standing today, so I hope to get a few more shots of him, as well as the other guys I talked about.

It's still pretty amazing to think that his legs are 8.8cm longer than they were before. I just wouldn't have thought it was possible :o


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jfk on October 13, 2006, 01:43:51 AM
Thanks, guys! :)

Don't worry, there are more photos coming - as you can imagine, it's a little hard to convince people to let you take their photos, but I'm working my charm ;)

Mr Pink, the guy you can see here, will be walking and standing today, so I hope to get a few more shots of him, as well as the other guys I talked about.

It's still pretty amazing to think that his legs are 8.8cm longer than they were before. I just wouldn't have thought it was possible :o
  we would to see that,, of course,, all depends of the body,,, you can just take the photo with out the patient face,,,
is he in pain when he walks?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 13, 2006, 11:11:01 AM
PROPORTIONS AGAIN!

It's been a good day, today. I managed to do both my exercise sessions without too much pain (even though the second was shortly after I did another lengthening turn) I've had two lovely meals (Giant Pork Meatballs for lunch & Pork Slices with Mushrooms for dinner.

But you don't really care about that do you? What you want to hear is that I made a video of Mr Pink, and also of a girl called Dong Mei who has lengthened 12.0cm (120mm). YES. TWELVE CENTIMETRES :)

You asked for pictures? MMT gives you pictures!

Mr Pink
As you might hear on the video, he actually wants to be known as Iceman, but we've already started calling him Mr Pink, so that's that.

Here is a picture of him standing up.
(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Pink Standing.jpg)

 Click here to launch the video of Mr Pink walking! (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Pink Exercising.3gp)

(Please bear in mind that he has only just had his frames removed and has about another 4 weeks exercising and physio before he will be able to walk properly. Please also bear in mind that I didn't bring those orange slippers to China with me - the maid bought them for me :) )

Before someone flames me saying that he is not naked, or wearing a lycra running suit, just bear in mind that, in the real world, people don't walk around naked or in Spandex. Not in my world anyway. In my world they wear normal clothes like the people in these photos [/endrant]

You want my view? His proportions look fine. The doctors told him he'd be OK, and he is OK.

Dong Mei
Oh my!  :D

Some of us guys had a LONG debate about this lovely lady after her visit. I'm in the "Damn! She looks great!" camp, and I told her. Several times.

It seems to be a small camp, though. Consisting of me and lots of girls... She carries the extra height perfectly in my opinion, and she seems to be something of a local icon with the women.

A lot of the guys think that she has gone too far. (Note some of the exercise machines that we use in the background)

You make up your own mind... that's what this forum is all about!

(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Dong Mei Posing.jpg)

Better still, here's the video!

 Click here to launch the video of Dong Mei standing up and walking towards me! (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Dong Mei Bending.3gp)

I don't know if it is the drugs they are giving me to sleep, or the food, but I was quite taken with her and if I didn't have these frames on...

MM doesn't agree with me and I think that he will be on to disagree with me a bit later!

Enjoy! ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on October 13, 2006, 11:48:05 AM
I don't know if it is the drugs they are giving me to sleep, or the food, but I was quite taken with her and if I didn't have these frames on...

MM doesn't agree with me and I think that he will be on to disagree with me a bit later!

Enjoy! ;)

It's ok folks, MMT has been wheeled off to the doctor's office, dont worry his frames are fine, just his minds gone.

Dong mei, is like the plastic barbie of china, while having LL, she had eye surgery, lip surgery...the works. The girl is, as we say in china fungza (crazy).

But, if there are any nice local girls in china (beijing), please dont hesitate to Pm me, or MMT...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jfk on October 13, 2006, 01:02:19 PM

Hi,, she seems fine to me,, i dont see any disproportion in any of the subjects, and i see she recovered well,,, that makes me think that perhaps it would be cool to go for the 10 cms,,, ;D
those chinesse girls are hot!!!   ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 13, 2006, 05:18:24 PM
I'm with you, JFK  8)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 13, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Hey MMt. I'm asking this as a presonal favour. Can you ask both of them if they had any problems with "ballerina foot" and knee flexim(bent knee) problems during the lengthening fazde. If so, how long and what kind of exersises did they do to fix it.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 13, 2006, 09:45:26 PM
Hey MMt. I'm asking this as a presonal favour. Can you ask both of them if they had any problems with "ballerina foot" and knee flexim(bent knee) problems during the lengthening fazde. If so, how long and what kind of exersises did they do to fix it.

Hi CB. No one here has reported problems like that, and I think that there are two reasons:

1. The strict exercise regime that makes you move our legs every day even if you don't want to;
2. The horrible pins that they insist you have in your ankle that forces your heel to the ground throughout the whole process.

I can tell you that one guy who arrived here a few days after me couldn't take the pain of one of the ankle pins (it's definitely the most painful part of the approach here) and cried so hard that they took one out for him.

Since then, he's started developing ''Ballerina Foot' and you can clearly see that without a pin holding the heel to the floor, the foot starts to dip forward from the toes.

However, the doctors have told him that he MUST have the ankle pin replaced in 20 days. I know that he would rather have Ballerina Foot and fix it later (he's a tough American!) but they won't let him. They expect everyone to walk out of here. If you don't follow their rules, they'll happily refund your money and let you go elsewhere.

I don't know which approach is right, and which is wrong. I'm in two minds myself as I'd sleep much easier without the ankle pins, but I'd also like to walk out of here.

The ankle pins really hurt like hell when you walk and you can feel the extra pressure that they put on your heel, but it does seem to get people walking more quickly.

I hope that helps! :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: CCCC on October 14, 2006, 05:40:28 AM
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MMT, THIS IS REALLY FASCINATING.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 14, 2006, 01:19:55 PM
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK MMT, THIS IS REALLY FASCINATING.

Thanks, CCCC - more photos coming next week :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 14, 2006, 02:55:10 PM
sure, I get it. I'll just have to give er this month and I should be ok.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 14, 2006, 07:10:04 PM

Hi MMt,

Do you expect to be in considerable pain due to the ankle pins for the entire time you are lengthening? Is this pain from the ankle pins in addition to the pain from the lengthening process itself (kind of double the pain)? What do the others who have been there for awhile say about the ankle pins and pain.....does it get better/less painful over time? Thanks!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 14, 2006, 10:42:50 PM
Hi MMt, Do you expect to be in considerable pain due to the ankle pins for the entire time you are lengthening? Is this pain from the ankle pins in addition to the pain from the lengthening process itself (kind of double the pain)? What do the others who have been there for awhile say about the ankle pins and pain.....does it get better/less painful over time? Thanks!

Hi DD! It's only painful when you walk, and it gets better as the muscles stretch. I'll be able to take it until my frame is off - it's not too bad :)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 15, 2006, 04:37:08 AM

Hi again MMT,

Thanks for your reply! Glad to hear the pain is not unbearable. :) I think that it is pretty cool that you were able to get MM for a roommate since you are both from the UK. I am guessing that you have made a friend for life! BTW, do you plan on keeping this site up and running after you have retutned home and are all finished with your LL adventure?

Thanks,
dd


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 15, 2006, 04:44:20 AM
Hi DD,

Yes, it's my plan to keep the site going forever - or until people are no longer interested in LL - I just hope that people will continue to be happy to post their diaries here when they go through their operations because that is what people really need to see - actual information from people going through the surgery :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 15, 2006, 08:19:29 PM

Hi MMT,

Could you kindly provide me with the URL for hospital you are at. I just want to be certain that I have the same one as the hospital and doctors that you are having LL with!

Many thanks!
dd


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 16, 2006, 02:13:47 AM
Hi MMT, Could you kindly provide me with the URL for hospital you are at. I just want to be certain that I have the same one as the hospital and doctors that you are having LL with! Many thanks!
dd

Sure. It is http://www.leg-lengthening.com/


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 16, 2006, 07:50:42 AM
As a female I LOVE the look of DongMai?s legs but not sure if they?re a little out of proportion with her upper body and arms which seem relatively short :-\. My partner thinks she looks a bit ridiculous but as well as thinking she?s out of proportion he is also unusually for a guy I think, not a big fan of very long legs. I?m thinking that because of my relatively long body and arms, I?d be very happy with an extra 6-7cm increase. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 16, 2006, 09:12:21 AM
As a female I LOVE the look of DongMai’s legs but not sure if they’re a little out of proportion with her upper body and arms which seem relatively short :-\. My partner thinks she looks a bit ridiculous but as well as thinking she’s out of proportion he is also unusually for a guy I think, not a big fan of very long legs. I’m thinking that because of my relatively long body and arms, I’d be very happy with an extra 6-7cm increase. 

Welcome to the club :)

I think that the one problem that she may have is that if she wore high heels, she may look really out of proportion.

However, someone doing 6-7cm and wearing high-heels would probably look really great, and I'm sure your boyfriend wouldn't complain if you had longer legs ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 17, 2006, 01:44:28 AM
Hi MMT, Could you kindly provide me with the URL for hospital you are at. I just want to be certain that I have the same one as the hospital and doctors that you are having LL with! Many thanks!
dd

Sure. It is http://www.leg-lengthening.com/

Thanks a bunch MMT!

Just my own opinion regarding DongMai is that she looked good and in proportion to me. Hard to tell for sure with long pants on though. Anyways, she is a beautiful girl!  ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 17, 2006, 03:08:47 AM
How tall is Dong Mei now by the way? It?d be interesting to know how short she?d been, I must have missed it somewhere. Shame they don't really show any decent before pics too on Dr Xia's website for comparison.




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 17, 2006, 05:42:50 AM
Hi.

Dong Mei was 148cm and is now 160cm according to the people I asked here. She looks taller because of her proportions, I reckon :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 17, 2006, 10:22:49 AM
Thanks, she does seem taller.
 
On another note thought I?d include some before pics (after pics not too far away I hope) wearing ?lycra? ;) :D to show proportions, this being a proportions thread. Not skimpy though and unfortunately there?s nothing sexy about them (on me). I'm out of shape and a bit underweight and probably shouldn?t worry about bending any pins but I?m still probably taller than many Chinese girls. I may have a fairly long body and arms but as far as leg lengthening, my fibulas aren?t that long which is why I don?t think I can go more than 6-7cm?s on the tibia?s (7 if I?m lucky) without looking too out of proportion?.not sure :-\. Trouble is if I?m doing this I really don?t want to go under 6 if I can help it.

The first pic is taken by my partner standing, the second on his knees which changes proportions slightly (perhaps???) in each. Not sure exactly what angle people take pics from. 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/lkepic/Leg1.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v520/lkepic/Leg2.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 17, 2006, 10:41:52 AM
Hi Isabella!

I'm not expert, but I reckon you could carry several additional centimetres on the lower parts of your legs quite easily and that you'd look really good - you've got slim legs and a slim figure, so it should work quite well for you :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on October 17, 2006, 11:06:46 AM
Hi Isabella!

Here's some pics i adjusted, i think you'll look very good, i would say pic 2 is about 5/6 cm, pic 3 is 10/11cm and pic 1 is your original. Though these are very ruff, it gives you some idea.

(http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/5706/leg2jd9.jpg) (http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/66/leg3dm3.jpg)(http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4080/leg4nc2.jpg)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 17, 2006, 07:58:03 PM
Second picture looks good. Third one would probably have to be done in femurs if you want to go that long. Let me just say something, ANYONE can carry a couple inshes in one section without looking out of proportion. I think people are putting to much thought into something that they don't need to. To the average eye, 2 inches in tibias is not notacible. Since being home, no one has made remarks about my longer tibias and I have put 6-6.5cm on them. I told everyone that I had bowed legs and got them fixed. So they don't know at all what's going on. I don't think a healthy person should be worried about proportion if they're going for 2 inches or so. Once you start looking like your third picture, then people might take a little notice but won't think anything of it. They might say, wow, those are sexy long tibias.  That's all:)

How tall are you? And what's your wingspan?(length from fingertip to fingertip)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 18, 2006, 02:50:51 AM

Hi Isabella,

I agree with cbick. The second picture looks good with a 5-6cm gain in your tibs. Your original pics look like your femurs are already long compared to your tibs, so I think 6-7 cm in your tibs would work perfectly for you! I do not think you should consider going for a gain like the third pic with a 10-11cm increase.
It does not look necessarily bad, but the second pic looks good! I would shoot for 6-7cm if I were you. ;) BTW, how tall are you and how does your partner feel about your height and your desire to have cosmetic LL?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Lubrcate on October 18, 2006, 04:23:36 AM
how do i add images?  errrr


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 18, 2006, 05:45:43 AM
Thankyou very much for your opinion everyone, and WOW! Thanks so much Mysteryman, I really appreciate you doing that!!! I agree about the middle pic and am really really loving the length there. Glad my feet won't be growing too though he he ;D. I meant to say in my earlier post that I didn?t have very long femurs, instead I said fibulas (even though they?re not long either) but like deaddog said they?re kind of a similar ratio and I agree that?s one of the main reasons I?m not so keen on the third pic, as well as starting to look a bit like a giraffe I feel. Sure I?d like to go to 10-12cm?s but have no intention of doing the femurs so am now in no doubt and certain I?ll stick with 6, maybe 7cm?s if I?m pushing it. 

I?m glad to hear no-one has made remarks about your longer legs Cbick66, hoping that?s the case for me too cos I was really thinking people would notice, those I?m suddenly looking more down on anyway. Of course they?ll definitely comment if they know about it. I sure wouldn?t tell anyone but will have to come clean with my parents and they might choose to explain where I?ve disappeared for months etc and other reasons. It seems out of character for me to do that. Knowing my mum though I expect her to feel embarrassed about the whole affair but the sh*t will probably hit the fan and it makes me feel upset to think about it :'( . I?d love to use the bowed leg excuse but in my case doubtful I?d get away with it. I do have kind of knocked knees which you can?t see quite so well with my legs straight together. Pity I can?t use that for an excuse. Last year a cosmetic surgeon said I have larger fat pads than usual and could be liposculpted and really improve the appearance and knocking but I had health problems at the time and am still trying to gain my ideal body weight and sustain it before having the procedure. I?ve always had a problem gaining weight so it seems to be taking forever ::). 

I am not really short for a female at 165cm?s (at least in my country) so people would think I?m crazy and I understand that. All I can say is my reasons run deep. Wing span is about 167cm?s. Is that long for me? I?m guessing it?s fairly long. I do know that when I wear heels they seem to look more in proportion but maybe it?s just me.

My partner actually prefers me in the original pic, can you believe that! I sure couldn?t. What a party pooper :P   He is however strongly supportive of anything I really wish to do so I?m a lucky girl but he still thinks I?m crazy ;D

daburgerman, I don?t know how to upload images either so got my partner to do it for me. He?s just gone back to work so hopefully one of the guys can help you.
 
Sorry about the long winded post and thankyou again :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 18, 2006, 02:41:39 PM
Isabelle:

Maybe I missed it but I would like to know your motivation behing this. I know you said all your reasons run deep but if you can truly get past this phase, I recommend you do so. 165cm for a girl is perfectly acceptable in todays standards, especially with your type of body. I think alot of people are naive(like I was) about this opperation and go into it thiking it's going to be a walk in the park.

Let me just recap my little diary.

Male
Starting height:                        163-164cm
Reason for doing this:              fear of not being accepted by my other peers, not always being know for "how short I am", etc, etc, etc.
Where I am now:                     169-170cm
Goal height:                              175-176cm

So this is basically me in 3 months so far. Now the part that sucks.... For the last month, I wake up with stiffness in my ankles, calf muscles, tendons, you name it, it's all stiff. My legs lost alot of muscle being in a wheel chair and not moving around alot for 3 months. There isn't pain anymore but the odd time I will stand and feel a sharp pain in my knees. So basically I now know what it feels like to be old.

This is not only derected towards you but to anyone who might want to have this surgery. You have to be really fukced in the head to want to do this. Hopefully when all this is done and over with for me, I'll just be able to blend in to the crowd. I still won't even be close to being a tall man but at least people won't notice me for my short height anymore. I won't have to answer stupid questions like: "why are you so short". I have been asked and told this all my life.

Anyway, what I'm really asking you is: How do you think an increase in height is going to change your life?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: sellerjones on October 19, 2006, 01:29:05 AM
hey cbick

what kind of surgery did you do and where did you do it?

how long was the process of surgery from day 1 to the day that you were able to go home and return to normal life?

how do you feel now from the way that you felt before (mentally) like when you walk around and stuff like that? feel more confident? better about yourself?

thanks


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 19, 2006, 02:19:46 AM
sellerjones:

Please, please read the diaries. I can't express how much it will help you and you will learn everything you need to know about Limb Lengthening. I've posted one from serbia and MMT from Beijing.

I'm  not walking normal yet, it'll probably be 1 month or 2 before I can walk normally.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 19, 2006, 06:51:26 AM
Cbick66,
I understand perfectly where you are coming from. I will tell you my story and must admit it is not the usual and kind of a sad one. I was born with a chest deformity. It would not be till puberty, often a trying enough period in itself that it would become physically fully evident and emotionally mess around with my head. As a child it was rather sunken which led to a pot bellied appearance even though my body was scrawny, however I was happy and seemed pretty healthy so my parents and no one else for that matter thought anything of it. Later on I would almost wish I was dead.

My breasts never developed properly in puberty which didn?t help matters. Years later I would read that this was quite common in females with the deformity, however at the time I had no idea it had a name let alone that anyone else had it. My body had lengthened and the pot belly seemed to be gone, but what was in its place seemed to me indescribably worse and I felt so ashamed and completely alone. My natural instinct had been to hide it, even from my family. I resorted to hunching and wearing layers of baggy clothes. Singlets in the summer time were rotting with holes on my body because I seldom bathed or changed. I became paranoid about every part of my face and body, and was suffering from what I now know to be panic attacks when out in public which left me humiliated and even more ashamed.

My dreams to go to drama school were over. By 16 I dropped out of school and virtually dropped out of the world in a way, no longer having friends, avoiding social interaction as much as possible and virtually deceived my family into thinking things were fine and that none of this was happening. I implanted the impression of myself being taller in my mind so strongly during this time. It somehow brought me comfort and made it that little bit more endurable you could say, by my making a firm image and idea of my self being the way I most wanted to be which included having a normal chest and being taller. I did this for many years with a resonance that I KNEW it would all come to pass some day.

Men weren?t generally attracted to me except for my face and I?d no intention of dating or getting close to anyone until I met my very special partner at 21. Our relationship was fraught with tremendous difficulty but we are still together today. I never properly showed him my chest until 34yr?s old. He discovered what it was on the internet and I broke down when I heard there were actually other people with it. I was into the occult and always thought my chest and height must happen some other miraclulous way.

I flew to America and my father paid for an operation by the most reputable Dr for adult patients at Johns Hopkins. I?d had some problems with stamina and it turned out my heart was abut my sternum and my lungs were somewhat compressed. The Dr?s in my country were not experienced enough with the so called non invasive Nuss procedure we had chosen. Afterwards your body feels more or less like you?ve hit a bus. Basically my chest is forced out with a stainless steel bar that covers its width and is fixed to the sides of the ribs with stabilizer clips. These cause their fair share of irritation too initially. As far as pain I have a fairly high tolerance, in fact the nurse said I had the highest tolerance of pain she?d ever seen. The bar has been in place for 2yr?s and is due out next year. Here?s a few of my before and after pics on another site in case anyone is interested:  http://www.pectusinfo.com/board/viewthread.php?tid=503 

I don?t think this leg operation will be a walk in the park by any means, I have read people?s accounts and it seems incredibly painful but I have experienced physical pain and years of hardcore emotional pain. I can sympathise with anyone who has been remotely near there.

I read your diary before Cbick and you sound like a great guy. Everyone has their weaknesses for whatever reasons and it just so happens that this is ours. People risk life and limb to climb mountains like Everest. They endure physical hardship and pay insane amounts of money to achieve their dream. This is our Everest. If it is something that will bring happiness into our lives I think God would want us to have it. The hardest part of the climb for me will be the reaction of my family??

Wishing you all the best :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 19, 2006, 03:25:49 PM
Wow, let me just say I saw the before and after pictures and they look great. I find it vey interesting how being insacure about your chest would trigger you to want to become taller. The mind is such a powerfull tool. Is it possibly because of you "resorted to hunching" that you felt you were shorter then you really were? Sorry, I didn't mean for you to go into such details but I'm just on the curious side. I find that if a person really feels in his/her mind that this surgery is all that is left to make him/her happy, then it will be the right decision.

If you read the diary, you will know that knowbody knew where I was when I first got here. I was to ashamed with myelf for comming to this conclusion so I couldn't tell anyone. I had told my familly that I went on a trip to Italy. So here I was in a foreign country, don't even speak the language and both my legs were about to be broaken in half.  It's not untill I was in the surgery room just before they put me asleep that I said to myself: "Ok, this is it. Now is the last chance I have to turn back. Today is the day where I'm changing my situation for the rest of my life"  They put the mask on and within a few seconds I was asleep. So for me, there was nothing that would stand in my way to acheive my goals.

Now here I am today writing this little comment with both my legs still broaken and I think to myself: "If I had to do this all over again, I would be there in a hart flash."  I think I made the right decision.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: tear11 on October 19, 2006, 06:52:28 PM
I just want to support  Isabelle's decision haveing been ill for 9 years and enduring a great deal of pain, it has also triggered a similar experience in me. I am about 5'9, so not short at all, but the desire to be taller is the thought that brings the most joy to my psyche. One can easily dismiss it as just another thought, but after going through what unfornutaley no one should have to, the freedom and desire to satisfy the yearning is ok. The body has created enough physical and emotional pain that it would be nice to now have an enjoyable and positve relationship for a change. Good luck to all.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: dkdkmartin on October 19, 2006, 08:20:25 PM
Second picture looks good. Third one would probably have to be done in femurs if you want to go that long. Let me just say something, ANYONE can carry a couple inshes in one section without looking out of proportion. I think people are putting to much thought into something that they don't need to. To the average eye, 2 inches in tibias is not notacible. Since being home, no one has made remarks about my longer tibias and I have put 6-6.5cm on them. I told everyone that I had bowed legs and got them fixed. So they don't know at all what's going on.

Hi Cbick

What are you planning on telling your friends when you put the final 6 cm on your thighs? Bet the bowed-leg thing won't work anymore :)...

Just curious

Cheers


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 19, 2006, 09:09:11 PM
dkdkmartin:

I will most likely come clean then. Once I can walk on my own 2 feet, I'll be more ready for whatever kind of reaction people give me.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: dkdkmartin on October 19, 2006, 10:07:40 PM

Ok..

I'm also going for 12 cm, so I'm also going to lenghten both my tibias and femurs.

The only thing about it is (correct me if I'm wrong) that doctors advise you to let your tibias heal 100 % before even starting on your femurs. That means that a whole year will have gone by before you even start with the femurs, right?

Looking forward to hearing from you -once again


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 20, 2006, 06:44:26 AM
Thankyou tear11 :), I was very interested to read your post and agree whole heartedly!!!

Cbick66,
It was not the hunching. I had desired to grow taller as many people do in puberty, but of course this was different and developed into something much more than that. I?m not entirely sure of all the reasons but there was definitely a bit of that ugly duckling becomes the graceful swan involved with that.

I haven?t told my parents even half of what I went through. Dad was so upset just finding out I had the deformity so I don?t think they could ever understand and am still trying to work out what I could possibly say. Glad to hear you stand by your decision despite the obstacles and here?s to a healthy happier you on the way 8)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 21, 2006, 08:26:28 AM
Hi Isabella,

Thanks for sharing your story. It's funny but I never thought that I would be talking about Pectus Excavatum on a LL board. You see I know all about the dreaded chest wall deformity known as Pectus Excavatum because I too suffer from it. My chest depression is in the moderate range, not nearly as bad as some I've seen, but still bad enough to have a profoundly negative impact on my life! I did all the same things you say you did while growing up, attempting desperately to hide it from everyone!

The Nuss procedure is in my opinion the best and obviously least invasive method of surgically correcting Pectus deformities. And now after living for 41 years of being ashamed of having this dent in my chest, I am scheduled to have my own Nuss correction surgery in December with Dr Steven Chen at Cedars Sanai. If I am correct, you had yours done with Dr Paul Colombani who was in fact my first choice, but Dr Chen is only a two hour drive from me and has very good references and experience with the Nuss procedure.

Even if for some reason I never end up having LL, I will at least have a normal chest, which I know for a fact will have a tremendously positive impact on my life, and my self confidence! Again, thanks for sharing your story! ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 22, 2006, 04:18:07 AM
deaddog, I?m reeling with shock :o :o :o  that is too weird heh!!!! I thought what if for a moment when I wrote that but didn?t seriously think?... I?ll send you a quick pm ;D 

p.s- please let me know if for some reason it doesn't get to you :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: deaddog on October 22, 2006, 12:09:11 PM
Hi Isabelle,

I remember being in shock when I found out that there were actually others who suffered from this condition. For years I thought it was just me! Pretty lonely feeling as I'm sure you know. btw, I got your pm and sent ya one back. ;D

Talk to ya later,
dd


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: parkour on October 22, 2006, 02:45:38 PM
The only thing about it is (correct me if I'm wrong) that doctors advise you to let your tibias heal 100 % before even starting on your femurs. That means that a whole year will have gone by before you even start with the femurs, right?

Hi DK,

Just wondering which country of doctor(s) told you that this would be best option? I take it you are considering doing both femurs and tibias to reach your goal?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: dkdkmartin on October 22, 2006, 09:44:59 PM
The only thing about it is (correct me if I'm wrong) that doctors advise you to let your tibias heal 100 % before even starting on your femurs. That means that a whole year will have gone by before you even start with the femurs, right?

Hi DK,

Just wondering which country of doctor(s) told you that this would be best option? I take it you are considering doing both femurs and tibias to reach your goal?

Hi Parkour

I got the information from this forum. It was a post by Cbick in which he says that dr Mitkovic had advised him to wait with the femurs until the tibias have totally consillidated. It's probably in his diary or so..
Yes I am considering both Femur and Tibia. To be in proportion, I think it is hard for a male to take more than 7 or 8 cm only on the shins.

But dr Betz says it's possible to lenghten all four bones at the same time if you can take the pain, so I'm not quite sure the info is entirely correct.

Have you got any comment on the matter?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 22, 2006, 10:22:24 PM
MMT:

We really need a faq page.

To the guys considering all 4 bones at the same time. It's totaly possible but not smart to do so. Your going to find out that time is the key when doing LL. Just start with tibias and then you will be able to determine and see if you want to do femurs at the same time. I was like many of you and wanted to get it all in one shot but reality hit me and it's smarter to wait.

DK:

It will not be 1 year before I do femurs. 5 to 6 months is long enough to wait untill you start femurs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: parkour on October 23, 2006, 10:26:36 PM

But dr Betz says it's possible to lenghten all four bones at the same time if you can take the pain, so I'm not quite sure the info is entirely correct.

Hi DK,

Ok, assuming that you want the lengthen both femurs & tibias, have you considered the recover time? What lengths did you have in mind for your femurs and tibias?


Keep it real.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: dkdkmartin on October 24, 2006, 07:32:20 PM

Hi Parkour

I think I will be going for appr. 6 cm on both shins and thighs -12 cm in total. Maybe 6.5 on the shins and 5.5 on the thighs.

I'm also thinking about having it done in different places. Dr. Xia for the shins and dr. Betz for the thighs. (This because dr. Xia doesn't do thighs)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 27, 2006, 08:45:51 AM
Mr Red heads for the hills!

I have mentioned in some of my recent diary posts last night that there was a chap who had lenghtened 8.0cm and was in awesome shape.

He's American, and is just about the leave the hospital as he only returned briefly to have his supporting pins taken out.

He was kind enough to let me take a picture of his legs. (Yes, he's not naked or in spandex!)

(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Red Standing.jpg)

In this picture, the bottoms of his knees are roughly where the top of the handle on the cupboard visible between his legs is.

He says that his shins used to be really short in comparison to this thighs, which is why his proportions seem fine now, but the only side effect for him is that he has not been able to get back to the same level of muscle tone that he had before, which is a bit annoying for him, but he loves being 180cm instead of 172cm.

He took five months to lengthen to 8cm and two months to recover well enough to back to work and he weighs about 75kg.

Ciao!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: grande2 on October 27, 2006, 11:52:52 AM
great picture MtM. now all we need is a similar picture of a guy who has lengthened his tibs in boxers , so you can see how it looks when you're 'naked'. thanks for this picture!
one question: do you know how tall he said his tibias were to begin with and how tall his femurs were (length from xrays), as he has my begin height of 172 cm. so for me it would be really helpful to know :)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 27, 2006, 06:32:49 PM
Why do people keep on asking these proportion questions. You know that it's going to look out of proportion but IT WON'T BE NOTICABLE TO THE AVERAGE EYE. Normal people don't go examining legs. If you really want to know what 8cm on tibias would look like, just take a picture of yourself in boxers and add 8cm to your tibias. I think some people are putting way too much thought in this proportion thing. The main focuse should be on how healthy his recovery is.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 28, 2006, 03:36:40 AM
I agree with you, CBICK, I think that people are unduly concerned about proportions. I think that anyone can carry 2 inches no problem, and proportions only become an issue when you're looking at 7cm+.

That said, I'm hoping that this thread will put people's minds at ease and let them focus on the real issues which to me are:

1. Does the method work safely and effectively?
2. Does the doctor and / or hospital provide an appropriate level of aftercare?
3. Does it let you achieve your target height so that height is no longer an issue for you?


I think that a few more photos of people who have had 8cm+ will convince people that proportions are not the most important thing to worry about ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 28, 2006, 05:38:15 AM
yes, these are the real issues. especially for me, will my new height cause new problems? I hope not. I'm really happy with everything on me accept for my height. It's funny. I used to always joke around saying that I only had 2 good things going for me. My nice teeth and my full set of hair.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: kristin on October 28, 2006, 02:40:49 PM
Hi Isabella! Here's some pics i adjusted, i think you'll look very good, i would say pic 2 is about 5/6 cm, pic 3 is 10/11cm and pic 1 is your original. Though these are very ruff, it gives you some idea.
Hi Isabella,

I don't think that you got the scale right.  The 5/6cm pic and the 10/11cm pic both look more like 7/8cm and 13/14cm.  Maybe you should redo them?  My personal opinion is that the middle photo is starting to look too long.  I think that's because you have a good femur to tibia ratio now, so adding to any section will make you seem more disproportioned than someone who has either femur or tibia too short.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: grande2 on October 28, 2006, 06:07:08 PM
Why do people keep on asking these proportion questions. You know that it's going to look out of proportion but IT WON'T BE NOTICABLE TO THE AVERAGE EYE. Normal people don't go examining legs. If you really want to know what 8cm on tibias would look like, just take a picture of yourself in boxers and add 8cm to your tibias. I think some people are putting way too much thought in this proportion thing. The main focuse should be on how healthy his recovery is.

i think you could be surprised how much people notice disproportions, even if its small.. humans process a lot of information subconsciously, and females tend to put a lot of importance on the proportionality of men.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 28, 2006, 07:00:48 PM
then you shouldn't consider LL. As your legs will become longer then before which will make you disproportioned. But the extra height will outweigh this especially if your are going from short height to average height


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: parkour on October 28, 2006, 09:55:09 PM
Hi Parkour

I got the information from this forum. It was a post by Cbick in which he says that dr Mitkovic had advised him to wait with the femurs until the tibias have totally consillidated. It's probably in his diary or so..
Yes I am considering both Femur and Tibia. To be in proportion, I think it is hard for a male to take more than 7 or 8 cm only on the shins.

But dr Betz says it's possible to lenghten all four bones at the same time if you can take the pain, so I'm not quite sure the info is entirely correct.

Have you got any comment on the matter?

Hi DK,

I've just received an email from Dr Li and can indeed confirm that like Dr. Betz in Germany, Dr. Li and his team in China can perform LL on the tibias after one year of performing LL on the femurs (or vice versa). He stresses that performing on both femurs and tibias at the same time is unrealistic; the pain would be intolerable and there should be a minimum of one year inbetween surgeries.

MMT & Mysteryman,

Are there patients who are currently having their femurs lengthened? Perhaps we can hear from them or could you post some pics?


Keep it real.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 29, 2006, 01:32:16 AM
i think you could be surprised how much people notice disproportions, even if its small.. humans process a lot of information subconsciously, and females tend to put a lot of importance on the proportionality of men.

Yes, I'd be surprised Grande2. I've seen hundreds of pieces of scientific research that show that women are sensitive to height, but I've never seen one that shows they are sensitive to proportionality. I've also spoken to dozens of people who have had LL and had no adverse affects.

I also come from a family with relatively long legs and it's caused us any problems - quite the opposite on the lady front actually.

So, as you seem to claim to be an expert, please can you refer us to a couple of pieces of information back-up your claims. I want to this board to be factual, not based on people's personal opinions, so please show us what you've got.

Also can tell us a little bit about yourself and what makes you such an expert? Are you a doctor? Have you had LL? Have you ever met someone who has had LL?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on October 29, 2006, 01:52:08 AM
Hi Parkour

I got the information from this forum. It was a post by Cbick in which he says that dr Mitkovic had advised him to wait with the femurs until the tibias have totally consillidated. It's probably in his diary or so..
Yes I am considering both Femur and Tibia. To be in proportion, I think it is hard for a male to take more than 7 or 8 cm only on the shins.

But dr Betz says it's possible to lenghten all four bones at the same time if you can take the pain, so I'm not quite sure the info is entirely correct.

Have you got any comment on the matter?

Hi DK,

I've just received an email from Dr Li and can indeed confirm that like Dr. Betz in Germany, Dr. Li and his team in China can perform LL on the tibias after one year of performing LL on the femurs (or vice versa). He stresses that performing on both femurs and tibias at the same time is unrealistic; the pain would be intolerable and there should be a minimum of one year inbetween surgeries.

MMT & Mysteryman,

Are there patients who are currently having their femurs lengthened? Perhaps we can hear from them or could you post some pics?


Keep it real.

Hi parkour,

There are 3 people who are getting there femurs lengthened at the moment, but they are only doing 1 leg, and it's not for cosmetic reasons. Dr.betz is the only doc i know who will do all 4, but besides the pain you have the mobility factor, you dont really want someone carrying you to the toilet etc..for the full duration of your treatment.

The people here doing only 1 leg get a similiar frame to us, but it does'nt go all the way around. I do believe if you are getting cosmetic lengthning on the femurs, they use just 1 bar on either side of your femur. (it would'nt be pretty having the same frames as the tib's, i can tell you. lol)

Anyway, i would recommend you stick with the tibia's mate. It's alot less dangerous...Less dibilitating and every doctor has far more experience with  them.

If you still want i/MMT can try to get you some photo's from the people here, just that the frames will most likely be different. Though tommorow i am booked in with the doctor and i will ask him for some concrete facts for you.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on October 29, 2006, 02:08:45 AM
Hi Isabella! Here's some pics i adjusted, i think you'll look very good, i would say pic 2 is about 5/6 cm, pic 3 is 10/11cm and pic 1 is your original. Though these are very ruff, it gives you some idea.
Hi Isabella,

I don't think that you got the scale right.  The 5/6cm pic and the 10/11cm pic both look more like 7/8cm and 13/14cm.  Maybe you should redo them?  My personal opinion is that the middle photo is starting to look too long.  I think that's because you have a good femur to tibia ratio now, so adding to any section will make you seem more disproportioned than someone who has either femur or tibia too short.

Alas, they were ruff.. i dont have adobe photoshop on my laptop so getting scale right is very difficult. The middle photo looks perfect to me, as for perfect legs your tib's and femurs should be ruffley the same length. You can see, isabella has relativley short femurs...and she has alot of 'leg room' to play with. If you are looking at leg lengthning, and you think she would look dis-proportionate.. i would not consider doing it, because im sure any doctor in the world would call her the perfect candidate.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: kirstyq on October 29, 2006, 03:43:52 AM
i think that isabelle is a definite good candidate. to me, your shins definately look a little short compared to your thighs, and women and i think you would like mighty fine if you get a couple more inches in there ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on October 29, 2006, 04:29:22 AM
parkour:

If you read my diary, you will hear me talking about a patient that was doing tibia and femur at the same time. He had external devices on both parts of his two legs. For him it wasn't to much for the pain, it was that his muscles just couldn't stretch as fast as he wanted them to. He actually lengthened pretty quick... If I remember, he did 10cm in 3 and a half or 4 months. Now he lft the hospital with a bad case a "ballerina foot" and a bad case of a bent knee. I talk to him through emails because we got along good at the hospital. He told me 2 weeks ago since leaving(about 5 weeks ago) that it's really hard to work out since he can't really stand at all. So that will delay his progress on stretching his muscles.

The fact is that it doesn't matter how fast you lengthen. Your muscles, tendons and nervs an only stretch abit by bit. I will keep in contact with him as I really do hope he gets better soon and doesn't require surgery to lengthen his tendons. That would be a last resort for someone as I heard you will be out of commission for 6 months if you choose this surgery.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on October 29, 2006, 07:26:56 AM
Hi all,
Thanks for the comments :) My partner calculated that the second pic may be around 8-8 1/2 and the third around 14, so if correct the second may be a whisker longer than my intended 7 max increase.

I was a little concerned before about the ratio with femurs so would prefer not to go past a certain point, however I do have shorter tibs than my sister who?s exactly the same height and my other sister at 158cm has tibs practically the same as me. They both look great in skirts that end at the knee whereas I just look shorter and somewhat stumpy, so I guess I?m lucky that mine are shorter than theirs, at least as far as LL is concerned anyway :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on October 29, 2006, 03:07:45 PM
More pictures of dong mei during her time here. The girl did 12cm... gotta give her a pat on the back for that.

(http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/4857/dong1ue0.jpg)

(http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1861/dong2ti6.jpg)

(http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/3753/dong3wp0.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: kaper7 on October 30, 2006, 01:18:19 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures!

Some questions about the guy who lengthen 8 cm in 5 months and took 2 months to recovery....

If there are roughly 30 days in a month and he lengthened for 5 months. He would have lengthen for around 30 days x 5 months = 150 days. It is recommended that one lengthen 0.66mm/day. Therefore, 150 days x 0.66mm/day = 99mm = 9.9 cm and not 8 cm? I am guessing he might have lengthened less then the recommended amount of 0.66mm/day? Did he run into some issues with muscles/nerves etc which caused him to lengthen less than the 0.66mm/day? I hope I make sense?

As for recovery, on the website, it said 2-6 weeks to recovery...Would you know why it took him a much longer time, i.e 8 weeks?

I will understand if you can't answers these questions since you are not "him"....but I would like yours or other people input on this. I'm just curious.

Anyway, I think his legs look good in the picture. I realized he is wearing jean and we can't see his naked legs...but I would not have guessed his tibia was lengthened since his femur and tibia looks like its very proportional.

Kaper7


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 30, 2006, 01:37:37 AM
Thanks for posting the pictures!

Some questions about the guy who lengthen 8 cm in 5 months and took 2 months to recovery....

If there are roughly 30 days in a month and he lengthened for 5 months. He would have lengthen for around 30 days x 5 months = 150 days. It is recommended that one lengthen 0.66mm/day. Therefore, 150 days x 0.66mm/day = 99mm = 9.9 cm and not 8 cm? I am guessing he might have lengthened less then the recommended amount of 0.66mm/day? Did he run into some issues with muscles/nerves etc which caused him to lengthen less than the 0.66mm/day? I hope I make sense?

As for recovery, on the website, it said 2-6 weeks to recovery...Would you know why it took him a much longer time, i.e 8 weeks?

I will understand if you can't answers these questions since you are not "him"....but I would like yours or other people input on this. I'm just curious.

Anyway, I think his legs look good in the picture. I realized he is wearing jean and we can't see his naked legs...but I would not have guessed his tibia was lengthened since his femur and tibia looks like its very proportional.

Hi Kaper7, welcome to our community!

Thanks for your questions, I can answer them pretty easily...

1. 5 months of lengthening includes about a month where you keep the frames on to allow the bone to harden sufficiently. His actual 'turning time' would have been 4 months. After that, the doctors leave the frames on for 20 days to let the bone consolidate and to make sure there is union, and then they are removed.

2. His recovery refers to the time it took for him to get back to his normal life. He was actually walking again with three weeks. But also bear in mind that, for most people, lengthening to 8cm will mean a longer recovery time. The body can handle 5cm easily, but over 5cm requires more time, exercise and attention. It's all about your level of fitness and strength.

If you're weak, have never exercised in your life and have poor muscle tone, it will take longer to recover.

This guy is on a plane back to Canada now and so his LL adventure is behind him... I hope that my adventure ends as well as his :)

Hope that helps!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jfk on October 30, 2006, 03:03:20 AM

[/quote]
hey guys,, good pics,,, i want to ask how you are killing the time,, because you are going to be a long time while doing the whole thing,, plus the recovery time,,,, dont you get desperate some time....i just preparing my self to be in the hospital a long time...?
jfk


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 30, 2006, 03:50:48 AM
Hey guys,, good pics,,, i want to ask how you are killing the time,, because you are going to be a long time while doing the whole thing,, plus the recovery time,,,, dont you get desperate some time....i just preparing my self to be in the hospital a long time...?
jfk
Hi. Time goes pretty fast because there are a lot of people around. I often comment to Mysteryman that I'm amazed how quickly my two hourly lengthening alarm goes off. If you get bored, you can go outside and talk to some other patients, or go to the exercise room.

The only problem is at night. It takes a while to go to sleep, so Mysteryman and I watch a DVD every night (argghhh! we're running low!!!) before going to sleep.

The maids are also quite entertaining, and come in quite often to check on us or to call Mysteryman "Crazy Boy".

Personally, I think it would be hell to be stuck in an apartment with nowhere to go and no other people to see.

In a hospital, there are always beautiful chinese girls to see and lots of new people to talk to - it helps the time fly by!

But that's just me - I prefer to be in an environment with a lot going on. I know that some people prefer to be hidden away in an apartment - even some of the patients here move into apartments and only come here for their check-ups or if they have a problem.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 30, 2006, 04:51:10 AM
Princess Sitting

OK, I know a lot of you think that I'm just high on drugs, but I've not taken any painkillers for a couple of days, so bear with me on this one.

Whilst waiting to talk to the doctors about my X-ray, and absolute vision of a girl walked into the Doctor's Consulting Room. If China still had a royal family, she would undoubtedly be a princess - she was beautiful, elegant and walked with the delicate grace of an aristocrat.

She was a former LL patient back for her check-up.

Emabrassingly, she asked if she could look at my legs and then came to lift the blanket that I had protecting my modesty. Despite having been here for a month, it still feels freaky to be talking to hot girls whilst I'm in a wheelchair with two broken legs!!!

Anyway, I let her have a look and explained that I was doing 5cm. She then asked to look at my X-rays. She has done 8cm.

Then, the doctors asked her to show her flexibility. She promptly crouched putting her (delightful) butt almost on the floor, despite the fact she was wearing little heels.

When she sat down, I got a sneaky shot of her legs. You can clearly see that her tibs are longer than her femurs, but, once again, I really don't think that this is a problem for women. I think she looks great. I don't think that any woman with normal proportions will have a problem carrying an additional 8cm.

I think that this shot of her sitting down is an interesting angle - some of the other patients I have been talking to say that people who have become disproportionate show it most when they are sitting.

(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Princess Sitting.jpg)

No doubt this will open up another debate, but I really don't think that proportions are a problem.

LL is really about absolute height, not proportions. I've never heard of anyone having problems due to proportions. Ever!

Please discuss ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: kristin on October 30, 2006, 05:23:27 AM
Hi MMT,

I realize that you had to sneak this shot but it doesn't really show a clear enough view to judge proportions.  The arm of the chair is blocking the true appearance of the length of her femurs.  But judging from where her belly start, her femurs do look really short compared to her tibias.  Just my opinion. I'm planning on doing internal femurs, so my issue will be exactly the opposite.  But if I were to do my tibias, I wouldn't want to end up with her proportions.  But maybe I'm more sensitive since I'm a girl.  Do you know what her starting height was?

Hi Mysteryman,

Would you happen to know how much gain that girl,mei, had in the photos that you posted?

Thanx!



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on October 30, 2006, 09:03:16 AM
Hi MMT,

I realize that you had to sneak this shot but it doesn't really show a clear enough view to judge proportions.  The arm of the chair is blocking the true appearance of the length of her femurs.  But judging from where her belly start, her femurs do look really short compared to her tibias.  Just my opinion. I'm planning on doing internal femurs, so my issue will be exactly the opposite.  But if I were to do my tibias, I wouldn't want to end up with her proportions.  But maybe I'm more sensitive since I'm a girl.  Do you know what her starting height was?

Hi Mysteryman,

Would you happen to know how much gain that girl,mei, had in the photos that you posted?

Thanx!



Im sorry, i dont know how much she was at because it happened before i was here.

My advice though, is dont do the femurs. It's more dangerous.. and it looks very un-natural when walking.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: grande2 on October 30, 2006, 04:39:07 PM
i think you could be surprised how much people notice disproportions, even if its small.. humans process a lot of information subconsciously, and females tend to put a lot of importance on the proportionality of men.

Yes, I'd be surprised Grande2. I've seen hundreds of pieces of scientific research that show that women are sensitive to height, but I've never seen one that shows they are sensitive to proportionality. I've also spoken to dozens of people who have had LL and had no adverse affects.

I also come from a family with relatively long legs and it's caused us any problems - quite the opposite on the lady front actually.

So, as you seem to claim to be an expert, please can you refer us to a couple of pieces of information back-up your claims. I want to this board to be factual, not based on people's personal opinions, so please show us what you've got.
Also can tell us a little bit about yourself and what makes you such an expert? Are you a doctor? Have you had LL? Have you ever met someone who has had LL?

Thanks.


http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=30455 (http://www.newkerala.com/news4.php?action=fullnews&id=30455)

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/opinion/story/0,22049,20512683-5001031,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/opinion/story/0,22049,20512683-5001031,00.html)


Here's the essence:

"Researchers believe the attraction for long legs in women and shorter versions in men may have evolved for different reasons. Long legs may be a sign of good health and good childbearing capabilities in women, while short legs may make men looked more muscular.
Although there has been some research on the attractiveness of height, the new study by psychologists from Liverpool University and University College London has homed in on the ratio of leg and body length."

on the case of tom cruise & kidman:

"The good news is, research now suggests that what pint-size actor Tom Cruise may lack in height, he makes up for with his perfect legs. Psychologists say males look most attractive when, like the Hollywood star, their legs are the same length as the torso. In contrast, the most attractive leg shape for a woman is 1.4 times the length of her upper body - as in the case of Cruise's ex-wife Nicole Kidman."

i can't find another article anymore where it stated very clearly that women unconciously selected males very much on their overall proportionality, that's  not just legs ofcourse. it was posted on bbc news online however.

anyway, you might get away with a few cm's, but that's just the main dilemma with LL, i don't think you get away well with more then 5cm's on one segment if it was very proportional to begin with. don't take this personal mysteryman but a lot of people on these height boards seem to have body dysmorphia, but then focused on the legs. for me average height is important, but i think that being a few cm's taller at the cost of severe leg disproportionality just isn't worth it, but thats me.

the irony of LL is that women seem to be getting away with it better then men, although the photo below of that sittin girl who lengthened 8cm is obviously a case of too much.. look long enough at it and you will think it's normal, but my first instinct (again subconsciously) clearly made clear she isn't that attractive to 'mate'. 

but in the end there are lots of different personal tastes out there. the research above does make sense in why tom cruise gets tall chicks (besides his money and fame). i also seem to notice myself i do better with taller girls (5'8-5'11) then with the ones similar in height to me (5'5 - 5'7), for some reason.. i regularly notice shorter guys with taller girls, it's not an uncommon sight.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: grande2 on October 30, 2006, 05:00:13 PM
Hi MMT,

I realize that you had to sneak this shot but it doesn't really show a clear enough view to judge proportions.  The arm of the chair is blocking the true appearance of the length of her femurs.  But judging from where her belly start, her femurs do look really short compared to her tibias.  Just my opinion. I'm planning on doing internal femurs, so my issue will be exactly the opposite.  But if I were to do my tibias, I wouldn't want to end up with her proportions.  But maybe I'm more sensitive since I'm a girl.  Do you know what her starting height was?

Hi Mysteryman,

Would you happen to know how much gain that girl,mei, had in the photos that you posted?

Thanx!



Im sorry, i dont know how much she was at because it happened before i was here.

My advice though, is dont do the femurs. It's more dangerous.. and it looks very un-natural when walking.

you mean it looks un-natural during lengthening or when consolidating (getting rid of the bend?) . i have heard that aswell yeah. but it seems to go away when the bend of the knee gets fixed.
however in general personally i would advise for guys doing a single leg lengthening to do femurs (but not overdo it) and for girls to do tibias (5cm). i'm not completely sure about the femurs part yet though. some pictures / videos / real life meetings need to convince :)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: dkdkmartin on October 30, 2006, 09:55:08 PM

Hi DK,

I've just received an email from Dr Li and can indeed confirm that like Dr. Betz in Germany, Dr. Li and his team in China can perform LL on the tibias after one year of performing LL on the femurs (or vice versa). He stresses that performing on both femurs and tibias at the same time is unrealistic; the pain would be intolerable and there should be a minimum of one year inbetween surgeries.


Hi There Parkour, thanks for contacting the Dr.

So do they recommend you starting on the femurs one year after you started with the tibs?, one year after you stopped lenghtening the tibs?, or one year after your tibs have completely consillidated?

Sorry for the questions, but that's a pretty important detail speaking of the time prospect for the entire process.

Many Thanks


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 31, 2006, 02:05:52 AM
i can't find another article anymore where it stated very clearly that women unconciously selected males very much on their overall proportionality, that's  not just legs ofcourse. it was posted on bbc news online however.

Now there's a suprise... could it be because there is no scientific study that has proved that? The article featuring Cruise and Kidman is not a scientific study, it was a survey - you understand the difference, right?

Do not try to dress your opinions up as fact. There is no body of evidence that suggests women are as sensitive to proportionality as you stated. That's just your opinion.

It is however a FACT that women are sensitive to height. I can prove with over 100 separate scientific studies from all around the world.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: kaper7 on October 31, 2006, 04:31:07 AM
Hi MMT,
Thank you for clearing things up for me! I didn?t realize the frames were left on for an extra 20 days after lengthening. It makes perfect sense now. 

Also, I need some input/advice and not sure where I should post my question. It is somewhat related to ?proportion? but more related to ?time?. I can only remain in China for 5 months due to work/other reasons. Is it possible to lengthen around 7 cm and be able to walk ?somewhat? normal out of the hospital in the time frame of 5 months?

An Example Time Frame: 5 months * ~30 days/month = 150 days.

150 days ? 105 days (lengthening-> 0.66mm/day = 69.3mm = 6.9cm) ? 20 days (frames on) = 25 days left to recover?

I consider myself to be pretty fit and have muscular legs. I work out 3-4 times a week. So is 25 days (3.5 weeks) enough? If not, should I cut down to about 6.0cm instead?

Did the guy in the photo stayed in China for 7 months in total or was it less then that? Did it took him 3 weeks to be able to walk ?somewhat? normal and it took him another 5 weeks to walk ?completely? normal again?

Again, thanks for your input, much is appreciated!

Kaper7


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: grande2 on October 31, 2006, 09:17:03 AM
i can't find another article anymore where it stated very clearly that women unconciously selected males very much on their overall proportionality, that's  not just legs ofcourse. it was posted on bbc news online however.

Now there's a suprise... could it be because there is no scientific study that has proved that? The article featuring Cruise and Kidman is not a scientific study, it was a survey - you understand the difference, right?

Do not try to dress your opinions up as fact. There is no body of evidence that suggests women are as sensitive to proportionality as you stated. That's just your opinion.

It is however a FACT that women are sensitive to height. I can prove with over 100 separate scientific studies from all around the world.

i know they are..i've read the reports as well. and i've probably been more busy with reading scientific reports about height for a much longer time then yourself. and do not try to show me off as someone who is subjective, i usually always back my statements. proportion matters, it's been proven time & time again that women and men in the back of their head judge people a lot on it. same goes for height, but the question is which one of the two is worst. in the end that's a difference of opinion. if you say that is a survey, then most of the studies on the importance of height are aswell, as they are usually small-scale surveys. and findings of the correlation of height and money are not just a determinant of height alone, that has been proven aswell. anyway we can discuss this for hours and hours, but in my humble opinion those pictures you post show that once you go above 5cm disproportionality shows.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 31, 2006, 10:43:21 AM
I need some input/advice and not sure where I should post my question. It is somewhat related to “proportion” but more related to “time”. I can only remain in China for 5 months due to work/other reasons. Is it possible to lengthen around 7 cm and be able to walk “somewhat” normal out of the hospital in the time frame of 5 months?

He spent five months here and went home, but there is no guarantees that everyone can do this. One guy who did 8.8cm had to lengthen for 7 months and, because he didn't exercise during the process, is still recovering two months later meaning he will have been here for 10 months.

What you want to do is possible, but no one can predict your rate of healing and success ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: chinesepimp on October 31, 2006, 05:24:32 PM
To grande,
        I have to disagree with you on the disproportion part when lengthen over 5cm.  Some people are born with longer wingspan, do you mean to tell me that people with longer wingspan than their height will look disproportioned when lengthen above 5cm??  I don't think so.  My self for example, has 180cm wingspan but 173cm in height.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: grande2 on October 31, 2006, 05:53:25 PM
To grande,
        I have to disagree with you on the disproportion part when lengthen over 5cm.  Some people are born with longer wingspan, do you mean to tell me that people with longer wingspan than their height will look disproportioned when lengthen above 5cm??  I don't think so.  My self for example, has 180cm wingspan but 173cm in height.

ok i meant in general. most people pretty much have a tib/femur proportion between 0,77 and 0,84 and when you lengthen one part the proportion changes quickly. when you have the 'luck' of being a little disproportionate in one of your legs it's another story obviously.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on November 08, 2006, 08:41:49 PM
I read somewhere (possibly in a science journal) that the reason the women cope better with the pain is because of child birth, higher pain threshold. I also read the younger you are, and the taller you are, the easier the process is for you, also women may recover slightly faster because our cell regeneration is slightly faster.
Just looking for that study to back it up, would be interesting to read. Just to let you know people in China, looks like I am going to come over there for leg lengthening next august and complete the rest of it at home :-) if any of you are flying over for a check-up around then or July give me a PM. :-)

Do you think having 10cm done on tibs and 5 done on fibs will look okay? Heres a pic of me lying down :-S sorry i dont have a digi cam...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/SerenityKayte/image0-10.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on November 09, 2006, 07:11:25 AM
Hi Sabrina,
Can?t tell from this pic and your legs actually look quite long from that angle. If you?re curious or concerned about proportions (even if we shouldn?t be heh cbick ;) :) ) it seems to be best if you are standing in pics but even then the camera distance and angle can sometimes distort a little. I noticed this Dr in Thailand recommends this whilst wearing swimming underwear (lycra :D ). Scroll down a little: http://www.vejthani.com/height/html/eng/operation_steps.htm
If I?d seen this before I took my pic I probably would have gone to the trouble of measuring up and all cos I like that sought of stuff ;D but yeah, it?s not real necessary. I guess some people have a good idea of how they?ll look or want to look and others don?t or just like to be more sure.

You?re brave doing femurs as well. Even if I were shorter I don?t know if I could go through all that but I am probably more into the idea of having long legs than being pretty tall. Seeing as you work with models, do you find that agents usually add an inch or two to the models true heights for business? I know they did for Kate Moss, on a documentary she said she was only 5,6.

By the way I love your avatar, and MMT?s. I?ll have to use one of my own furby friends as my pin up :) 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on November 09, 2006, 07:54:13 AM
The model i work for had a height of 5ft9 and she looks so elegant, i cant even describe it! I know i have heard some agencies adding a few inches on! So your right about that! ;) Thanks for the comment about my avatar, hope all goes well for you hun! Keep in touch!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on November 09, 2006, 03:13:14 PM
Sabrina:

Isabelle is right. The best way to know is to take a picture standing up so you can see you're waist line. Isabelle is also right that you wouldn't notice a change.  But you also don't want to go crazy if you're only doing tibias. You have to remember that most people don't even know you can increase your height. So for an average person so compare leg height or tibia height is unnatural.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on November 14, 2006, 08:00:03 AM
cbick66: After sending u the photo on yahoo what do you now think about proportions?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on November 14, 2006, 09:39:58 AM
I think it's just lovely:)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jack0life on November 22, 2006, 02:24:42 PM
I think worrying about porportions are silly.
I think the reason why we all want to get taller is because we are conscious about public views.
If thats the case, its hard to look un-porportion when wearing clothes.
Especially if you are a guy...I don't see how can you worry about porportion.

Remembered the show "Family Matters"
Urkel used to pull his pants up to make him look like he has all legs and no body.
When he dresses normal, he's pretty much normal.
What I'm saying is when you are wearing clothing, its impossible to notice un-porportion when you wear it right.

I think the only reason why any of us notice the un-porportion now is because we know that some of these people have had LL surgery.
People on the outside without this knowledge wouldn't give it a second thought.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on November 29, 2006, 04:20:14 AM
I agree wholehearted with you, Jack.

Proportions are something to be worried once you start your treatment and are watching your legs grow.

Other than that, I think that a lot of people who dream about LL but will never actually go ahead and do it use proportions as an excuse, but I've now met dozens of people who have done LL from anything between 5cm and 12cm and the change in their proportions has had absolutely no negative effect on their attractiveness.

I can tell you that Dong Mei has no shortage of male admirers, despite the fact that her shins are 12cm longer than before! ;)

The only time to worry about proportions is when you are looking down at your legs and watching them grow longer - it's something that you can discuss with your doctor and the people around you.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: carloslea on December 18, 2006, 04:44:13 PM
 :-*i dont know very well about proporcions, but for example my brother ho is taller than me (about 12 cms) has the arms and the back the same size as mine.. and he looks a lot more proportioned than me.. so in my case im not worry of that subject.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Gio on March 04, 2007, 06:29:07 PM
I have decided to share with this community some animations of me at different height.
In the first picture it's me at my current height
In the second there are my femours lenghtened of 7 cm!
Finally you can see me 12 cm taller (7 in femours, 5 in tibias)
I have to say that I agree with the people that say proportions are not all that matter, especially with clothes on!
Some days ago I mesuared with a friend of mine who is like 1.90 cm tall and we have the same back size.
Hope you find helpful, I am waiting for all your comments and opinions.
Cheers
(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/8.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/9.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/10.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Tempest on March 05, 2007, 05:11:04 AM
Hey everyone, newbie here.  Been lurking around the forum for awhile reading the threads but haven?t actually posted anything, till now.  First of all, I just wanna say that I really appreciate all the information and insight I?ve gained because of this forum and I?m really grateful, especially to those sharing their LL experiences.  It?s very reassuring to know that there ARE actual people out there who have done this and came back in one piece.  ;D  As for me, I definitely have my heart set on LL but unfortunately, I?ll have to wait till 2011 to actually follow up on it (gotta graduate and save up first).  I just hope this board will still be up and active by then  ::crosses fingers::  Anyhoo, onto the topic at hand, I photoshopped a pic and I would like to know your opinions, in terms of it looking proportioned or ?natural.?  The pic on the left is my original height (5 ft 0.5 inch).  For the pic on the right, I added 8 cm to the tibias and 7 cm to the femurs, making my total height approximately about 5 ft 6 inches (give or take a few millimeters).  At first I thought about doing 10 cm on the tibia and 5 cm on the femur but decided that it would look so obvious that my lower leg is longer than my thigh, especially when I have heels on.  So I figured I?d do roughly about 3 inches on both, not at the same time though (I?m gonna get the tibias done first, get the nails taken out after about a couple of years, then I?ll do the femurs).  Let me know what you guys think!

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2203/neworleanslayerdotheadeo9.jpg)    (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7372/neworleanslayer78dotheaej8.jpg)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shortay3 on March 05, 2007, 09:43:13 PM
Hi Tempest,

 We share something in common... our height.  :) From the picture you look like a cute girl who is in good shape. The picture you altered also looks good and gives you a more mature appearance. Are you from the U.S?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Tempest on March 06, 2007, 02:19:07 AM
Hi Tempest,

 We share something in common... our height.  :) From the picture you look like a cute girl who is in good shape. The picture you altered also looks good and gives you a more mature appearance. Are you from the U.S?


Thanks for your feedback.  Yes, I'm from U.S. - I live in the east coast. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on March 06, 2007, 02:25:30 AM
Can't see Gio's pics but agree Tempest looks pretty cute too in both shots and seems to be able to carry off those long legs beautifully :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Gio on March 06, 2007, 06:40:54 PM
Now my pictures can be viewed!
My previous host have cancelled them so MMT was kind enought to help me to host them again!
Many Thanks to MMT! ;D
Now you can post your opinion on them and let me now what you think about
Ciao ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on March 07, 2007, 11:39:55 AM
Looking real good Gio, you have plenty of room to work with. You look to be a really good candidate for femurs too and going for a bit less on the tibias seems to work well for you.

Back to Tempest, I just noticed where your waist is which makes the legs in the altered pic seem even longer, but because you proportioned them very well in ratio and females are considered blessed if they have seriously long legs you appear to get away with them. By just doing the tibs they?d still look reasonably long and nice on your frame though.

After all this talk on proportions I?ve been scrutinizing my legs from every which way and am getting dizzy. I?m starting to think my photos may be making my legs appear a little shorter than they actually are with the camera bearing down on me. I?ve also realized that while my tibs are shorter than my sisters, so are my femurs. I?m longer in the body which my family have pointed out to me and they have fairly long legs which make my legs probably verge more to average. Hmm, doesn?t really matter in the end since I still think I?ll look ok with my goal 6-7 cm?s either way.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lf on March 08, 2007, 03:36:48 AM
Hi gio and tempest,

I think you both look great after simulated LL.

Of course is easier to judge gio?s proportions and I think He will look great, in my opinion, even better than now.




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 29, 2007, 03:30:18 PM
Could someone please photoshop my legs for me :-), yes this is me, Cbick ahs seen me on webcam if people want proof. =) I do modeling but eventually want to do catwalk, which means i have to be 5ft9.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/SerenityKayte/sarah1.jpg)

my legs look so chunky right there, damn that media influence making girls want to be thinner :-(, and taller for modeling..... :-P

And everyone can use a bit of nudity, who cares! Heres my legs from a diff perspective :-)

And FYI i sold these photo for a girl who has brown hair to use on her website! :-P Which is helping me pay for LL :-)

EDIT: MMT has taken down SabrinaUK's lovely bottom picture as it was too hot for some people to handle  ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: daany1 on March 29, 2007, 03:41:01 PM
SabrinaUK
This is not a porn site,im pretty sure you have pictures with better angle to do photoshop,like standing up!!!!!!!
no much we can do with your booty shoot on LL


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 29, 2007, 03:54:50 PM
I think that these photos are OK on the basis that they are intended to show proportions - I've had my naked body all over the site too - it's not gratuitous, so I don't have a problem with it.

I'm removing the last picture, though, as I don't want Sabrina to be identified and she should remain anonymous - the Internet is a strange place :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: daany1 on March 29, 2007, 04:04:17 PM
Maybe im too old fashion!!!!!!!
ha ha


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 29, 2007, 05:06:07 PM
Your bum is just the top of your legs :-) Im not bothered! And it wasnt porn modeling that shoot (even though it may appear), it was just for my portfolio, if anyone wouldent mind, i would like to see what my legs look like 10cm longer on tibs maybe 4 cm on fibs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 29, 2007, 05:47:47 PM
If you've got a picture of yourself standing-up straight, Mysteryman should be able to do Photoshop it for you and let you see what your legs would look like :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 29, 2007, 09:11:59 PM
I shall go on the hunt for a photo! :-) MMT you have a message waiting for you.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on March 30, 2007, 04:02:46 AM
I?m with OzManXX on this one, at first I thought it was spam or something :o I hardly think the pic in question gives any accurate account of the kind of proportions we are talking about here except as my partner was saying if we are measuring our asses but heh, if the guys are happy to see it who am I to complain :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 30, 2007, 04:28:34 PM
I think it shows proportions quite well, you can see the top of my leg and the bottom clearly, i can tell from this my fibs are bigger than my tibs by quite a bit :( Ahh well.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 30, 2007, 04:47:34 PM
OK, OK - I've taken down the naughty bum pic :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 30, 2007, 04:48:22 PM
Thank you MMT! Some people were just being fussy! Thanks for letting me annoy you with my PM's about taking down 2 photos! Sorry for this :(


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 30, 2007, 04:57:19 PM
Don't worry - no need to apologise - I'm British and so I like a bit of smut :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: daany1 on March 30, 2007, 07:17:19 PM
SabrinaUK
Look for a photo of you standing up with no heals so that we can show you, what you will look like after getting taller
and how many cm you will like to grow

daany1


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 30, 2007, 08:02:26 PM
Got a friend to attempt it and we came up with this. After legnthening 15cm. 10cm on tibs 5cm on fibs, maybe some arm legnthening.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/SerenityKayte/sarah200.jpg)

Not sure its that good :-S But my legs look a tad longer.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: mysteryman on March 30, 2007, 11:45:09 PM
Got a friend to attempt it and we came up with this. After legnthening 15cm. 10cm on tibs 5cm on fibs, maybe some arm legnthening.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v728/SerenityKayte/sarah200.jpg)

Not sure its that good :-S But my legs look a tad longer.

Hey Sabrina, I recommend, trying to get a standing photo to get a good idea of your proportions.

Also, be careful between 11-15cm, as it can impair your walking style, and you'll be bobbing up and down the catwalk, like you have a stick up your kaboose. ;)

Btw, i dont think theres any tibia lengthening there, it all seems to be your femur.

Take care.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on March 31, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
I hardly think it was being fussy!!!! I didn?t intend it either as a attack on you personally, I?m sure you meant no harm by it, in fact quite the opposite and if this is a gentleman?s club I?d say by all means it belongs here. I?m sorry MMT, I think you?re a great guy and all but you seem to run a fairly tight ship here and the fact that you allowed a, forgive me but blatant ?shag me from behind? type shot (since removed) to stay here is quite beyond me ??? If some strange guy had come on and posed likewise I?m sure it would have made a lot of guys toss their cookies and in all fairness if such a thing were to happen you?d be obliged to let it remain here. I apologise if I have offended anyone, it was not my intention just trying to add some perspective here ;) 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 174cm on March 31, 2007, 03:48:24 AM
isabelle,
i'm sure non of the guys here would ever post anything that will offend the ladies here.
calm down, take it easy.
and hey..we're living in a freedom world  ::)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jack0life on March 31, 2007, 05:15:58 AM
Damm, I missed Sabrina nude pictures ??  :o


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on March 31, 2007, 05:17:30 AM
Hi 169,
I think you missed my point completely, not to mention  how do you know what kind of stuff people might post here and I still think its kind of inappropriate on a serious LL board to post pics of ourselves with our pants falling down and our cracks showing. Your response is the kind of response I'd expect from a lot of guys ::) As you suggest it is a free world and we?re all entitled to our view however this board is strongly monitored and censored so it just seemed rather arbitrary and a bit of a double standard to me. No hard feelings MMT!



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 174cm on March 31, 2007, 06:31:12 AM
uhm, i got your point now, lets see what MMT says if those type of pics will affect this board.
anyway, thanks for your response  ;D
i'll post some pic of mine when i'm in Beijing on Monday, no nude guarantee Isabella  ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 31, 2007, 03:35:17 PM
Isabelle i sent you a PM.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: cbick66 on March 31, 2007, 05:57:38 PM
Oh sabrina, you naughty girl ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on March 31, 2007, 06:24:26 PM
Ahh well, it can be a joke picture i posted up for a laugh then :-)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on April 01, 2007, 05:44:01 AM
Pm'ed Sabrina a reply.

Thanks 169, I didn?t intend for this to be too big a deal but anyway I appreciate your sense of humour ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Isabelle on April 02, 2007, 12:50:16 PM
Sorry to beat a dead horse here folks but from Sabrinas pm I realized I wasn?t as clear on a couple of things as I should have been. As I said to Sabrina there is obviously no written code of conduct here for posting on images so people post and it is left to the moderator to moderate if or where they feel appropriate. It was MMT?s decision here under the circumstances mentioned previously that I found arbitrary. As far as Sabrina, I can appreciate that she was more than prepared to remove her pic from the board within 24 hrs and as far as MMT, that was just my opinion in that specific area. I still totally appreciate that he created this site and all the great work he has done here :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SabrinaUK on April 09, 2007, 10:00:06 AM
Its cool no problemo. Ill try to post some proper pics of my legs later, my feet are so sore atm, covered in Blisters! Argh! Happy easter everyone, hope your all having a fab day!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Neomail2006 on September 28, 2007, 02:53:56 AM
I have decided to share with this community some animations of me at different height.
In the first picture it's me at my current height
In the second there are my femours lenghtened of 7 cm!
Finally you can see me 12 cm taller (7 in femours, 5 in tibias)
I have to say that I agree with the people that say proportions are not all that matter, especially with clothes on!
Some days ago I mesuared with a friend of mine who is like 1.90 cm tall and we have the same back size.
Hope you find helpful, I am waiting for all your comments and opinions.
Cheers
(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/8.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/9.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/10.jpg)

yeah, but how does your wingspan currently relate to your height?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: spiderman on September 28, 2007, 10:01:00 PM
neomail, i think the proportions look great.  7cm on the femurs looks pretty natural and even with an addtional 5cm on the tibias your torso/wingspan remain balanced with the length of your legs. im not sure if you've answered this already but how tall are you now?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Neomail2006 on September 29, 2007, 12:05:53 AM
No, I'm not saying it doesn't look good. The twelve looks a little long, but otherwise yeah it looks great. This is actually really reassuring to me, because I think I might have somewhere near those proportions. People tell me that I have a "strong upper body", and I'm considering adding 5 to my femurs and 4 to my tibiae/fibulae...I just don't know where I'm gonna get the time and money to do it. Plus, I still am worried about looking disproportionate: my hands are already a little small, although they're like the only physical thing people regularly compliment me on...I don't know, it's just such a relief to know stuff like this exists, but becomes even more complicated with all the "could do" and "should do" and "would do"'s that ensue. Agh. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: ibanezrg170 on October 05, 2007, 01:09:17 AM
I thought I might contribute something to this interesting subject. I came across these images when doing some research on China. Notice the guy standing next to the doctor in the first 2 images:

http://www.goodstature.com/Eglish/page_shoushu.htm

As you can read, right below the images, this guy did 8.5cms / 3.3inches. In the picture at the right he is almost as tall as the doctor after the LL process. However, you can observe that his arms are noticeabely shorter than the doctor's (which I'm assuming never went through the process of leg lengthening).

I would think it's a matter of wingspan, maybe he went over his wingspan. However, I personally see his proportions within normal, in other words, if I were to bump with him in the street and had no idea that he did LL I would NEVER notice that his wingspan is probably shorter than his height, I would see him as normally proportioned.

This is just my opinion, I thought these images would help some of you to form a better opinion on the proportions debate.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 05, 2007, 08:00:57 AM
Yes, talk about wingspan is definitely a personal thing, and more relevant for men - women are more likely to notice a man having short arms and find it unattractive than men would about women :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Neomail2006 on October 06, 2007, 10:15:05 PM
Hmmm, yeah but....I think it(he) looks off from the beginning.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Neomail2006 on October 06, 2007, 10:19:27 PM
Hmmm, yeah but....I think it(he) looks off from the beginning.

the person from the link you posted.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: ibanezrg170 on October 07, 2007, 01:45:53 AM
Im srry for not understanding well, what do you mean by: "He looks off from the beggining"?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Neomail2006 on October 07, 2007, 02:13:17 AM
Well I don't know how tall the guy was to start with, but his arms look odd from the before picture even and the cothing he's wearing isn't very indicative of the proportions. I don't know, just the pictures from Gio seem more realistic.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 07, 2007, 05:51:34 AM
Well I don't know how tall the guy was to start with, but his arms look odd from the before picture even and the cothing he's wearing isn't very indicative of the proportions. I don't know, just the pictures from Gio seem more realistic.

The bigger your wingspan, the more LL you can get away with.

If you go over your wingspan in height terms, you're risking disproportion, so if you have short arms, you have to think long and hard about that...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Neomail2006 on October 07, 2007, 12:53:41 PM
Well, thankfully I don't think I have short arms. HOWEVER, didn't MM go 10cm over his wingspan?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: vedesh on October 20, 2007, 06:55:41 PM
Well... I bet you the same kind of procedure used now for legs will be suitable, within some variations, for arms also. You'll see.

And the fact is... when you will be doing lengthening the arms, take this into consideration:

-let's say first you are doing 5cm in femurs, 5cm in tibias... then you are 10cm taller.

You want to have a 10cm larger wing span? The arm lengthening CUMMULATES. That is, do 5cm on your upper arms, you automatically have 10cm in wingspan.

That is, for a certain numbers of cm's added in your EACH leg, you have to do HALF of that in EACH hand, if your wingspan gets out of proportions.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Yasmin on October 20, 2007, 07:17:41 PM
good point ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: ibanezrg170 on October 20, 2007, 11:54:05 PM
Well... I bet you the same kind of procedure used now for legs will be suitable, within some variations, for arms also. You'll see.

And the fact is... when you will be doing lengthening the arms, take this into consideration:

-let's say first you are doing 5cm in femurs, 5cm in tibias... then you are 10cm taller.

You want to have a 10cm larger wing span? The arm lengthening CUMMULATES. That is, do 5cm on your upper arms, you automatically have 10cm in wingspan.

That is, for a certain numbers of cm's added in your EACH leg, you have to do HALF of that in EACH hand, if your wingspan gets out of proportions.


You know what... you have a good point. I've never given thought on extending arm span, but it's true. If you do lengthening and have a "deficit" of let's say 4cm, you would only have to lengthen 2cm on each arm, it wouldn't be much.

For example:
My height is 173cm,
wingspan is 175. (+2cm)
Lengthening desired: 8cm.
Deficit (if desired height achieved): 6cm
Lengthening required to equal wingspan to height: 3cm's on each arm

Although I personally wouldn't go for arm lengthening, maybe 2cm (on each arm) max if my disproportions were noticeable. Just to get an idea of how unatural it is for body mechanincs, try to cross your arms normally, notice that your forearms touch an area between your nipples (or pecs) and your lower ribs. If you lengthened lets say 4 cm's on each arm then your forearms (if arms crossed) would be touching your abdominal area or even your bellybutton. (Note: this is an assumptions based on my observations only.)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: EnglishFemale on October 21, 2007, 10:50:24 AM
Well... I bet you the same kind of procedure used now for legs will be suitable, within some variations, for arms also. You'll see.

I think you will find that arm lengthening procedures have been around for many years now.

If you do lengthening and have a "deficit" of let's say 4cm, you would only have to lengthen 2cm on each arm, it wouldn't be much.

I spoke to someone a few months ago, who had undergone four LL procedures and two arm lengthening procedures. He was due to have another two arm lengthening procedures but has decided not to now. Apparently the pain, discomfort and disablement are 10 times greater for the arm lengthening. Anyone who has had LL can account for the fact that all of the above aren't much fun during LL, so I think you should forget arm lengthening and understand that statements such as:

"lengthening 2cm on each arm wouldn't be much"

aren't strictly true!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on October 21, 2007, 03:44:15 PM
There is a lot of fantasising going on in this thread right now...

Even if people could afford to have two Leg Lengthening surgeries, and then one on their arms (could they actually afford three years off plus the cost of surgeries and rehabilitation?) very few people thinking about it for cosmetic reasons would be able to tolerate the pain and discomfort of doing their arms.

It's fine to fantasise, but let's keep it real please, people :)

I'm going to ask people to start posting how much they have saved-up towards their surgeries so that we can have a reality check ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: ibanezrg170 on October 22, 2007, 01:02:44 AM
I think you will find that arm lengthening procedures have been around for many years now.

I spoke to someone a few months ago, who had undergone four LL procedures and two arm lengthening procedures. He was due to have another two arm lengthening procedures but has decided not to now. Apparently the pain, discomfort and disablement are 10 times greater for the arm lengthening. Anyone who has had LL can account for the fact that all of the above aren't much fun during LL, so I think you should forget arm lengthening and understand that statements such as:

"lengthening 2cm on each arm wouldn't be much"

aren't strictly true!

I'm sorry, you understood me wrong, I said I probably wouldn't get arm lengthening only if I had REALLY NOTICEABLE disproportions (which I really doubt).

I'm sure it would be worse than leg lengthening, but afterall everyone is free to do what they want if they really know what they're getting into and it isn't much of an obsesion (that's why I strongly support previous psychological tests before LL).


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Demso on December 26, 2007, 08:06:06 PM
On the first page of this thread, reply number 7, there's a link to a video of Dong Mei walking but when I click it asks for a password. Is there a password I can use to see it?

Everything on this computer is in a foreign tongue that I don't understand, so I hope I'm interpreting that password thing correctly.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on December 26, 2007, 09:39:49 PM
On the first page of this thread, reply number 7, there's a link to a video of Dong Mei walking but when I click it asks for a password. Is there a password I can use to see it?

Everything on this computer is in a foreign tongue that I don't understand, so I hope I'm interpreting that password thing correctly.

There's no password - you just need to have a player that can play 3GP files :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: tillcan on March 01, 2008, 11:56:16 PM
As far as proportions go, has anyone who has undergone the surgery noticed a problem thats not about it being aesthetically pleasing or not. For instance, has lengthening one of femurs/tibias inhibited anyones walking or physical abilities. I would assume that if you only lengthen femurs then doing something like a squat would throw you off balance due to your ass being so far back than before, would I be right?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jungle on March 02, 2008, 12:16:26 AM
As far as proportions go, has anyone who has undergone the surgery noticed a problem thats not about it being aesthetically pleasing or not. For instance, has lengthening one of femurs/tibias inhibited anyones walking or physical abilities. I would assume that if you only lengthen femurs then doing something like a squat would throw you off balance due to your ass being so far back than before, would I be right?

I did lengthening both tibias and femurs, i don't see that problem. So what you are saying that all the guys who did femurs only (like in germany) would have that problem?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 02, 2008, 12:37:40 AM
Superstretcher who did 11cm on his femurs said that he had some problems with squatting and kneeling down to the disproportion, but not enough to bother him, and certainly not enough to make him regret being taller :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shanifah on March 10, 2008, 09:03:03 AM
I have decided to share with this community some animations of me at different height.
In the first picture it's me at my current height
In the second there are my femours lenghtened of 7 cm!
Finally you can see me 12 cm taller (7 in femours, 5 in tibias)
I have to say that I agree with the people that say proportions are not all that matter, especially with clothes on!
Some days ago I mesuared with a friend of mine who is like 1.90 cm tall and we have the same back size.
Hope you find helpful, I am waiting for all your comments and opinions.
Cheers
(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/8.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/9.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/10.jpg)

Awesome picture... my body built just like your second picture...
I am planning to get LL in a year just the tibia 5-6cm only... I don't want to stress it, because I'm sure my fibula won't accomodate the growth of fibula... and I don't want to stretch my ligament beyond...

Thanks... your pictures really help


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: hawaiishorty on April 16, 2008, 07:46:02 AM
Hi,I'm 16 and only 4 ft 6 in.I am thinking of getting ll,but it sounds kinda hard...When you do both parts of the legs,does it throw proportions off bad or just slightly?Thanks!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on April 16, 2008, 08:29:16 AM
Hi,I'm 16 and only 4 ft 6 in.I am thinking of getting ll,but it sounds kinda hard...When you do both parts of the legs,does it throw proportions off bad or just slightly?Thanks!

This depends on your perception, and what others think if that bothers you.  There is a lot you can read about on proportions in this site, keep reading.  MMT also has a page that points out scientific and aesthetic information about proportions--it mainly has to do with how long your arms are in comparison to your height.

good luck :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on July 24, 2008, 07:43:01 PM
Hello all,
Im new here. I've been readin as many posts as I can for the last month or so. This is my first post.

I am 5 ft 1.5 inches tall. I want to lengthen my tibias first by 3 inches if possible, and then a year later I want to lengthen my femurs by 2 inches. Here is my height similation with each alternative. The shortest photo is obviously my orginal height. Tell me what you think. (not sure if I can successfully post my photo but I will try. Sorry if it doesnt work). ;D(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/naagirl/100-heightcollage2.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 174cm on July 26, 2008, 04:33:21 PM
Hello all,
Im new here. I've been readin as many posts as I can for the last month or so. This is my first post.

I am 5 ft 1.5 inches tall. I want to lengthen my tibias first by 3 inches if possible, and then a year later I want to lengthen my femurs by 2 inches. Here is my height similation with each alternative. The shortest photo is obviously my orginal height. Tell me what you think. (not sure if I can successfully post my photo but I will try. Sorry if it doesnt work). ;D(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/naagirl/100-heightcollage2.jpg)
welcome on board girl. The idea of doing 3+2 is feasible, but first, let me ask you a few things:
- how old are you? Age is important in LL because you need to be very matured and determined to go through it successfully.
- how much money you have for LL now?
- can you afford to suspend your life 3 years to do this 2 operations? Remember, recovery is as long as the time you do LL, in some cases, even longer.

Women normally carry the extra length on the legs better than men. Having said that, I can't tell you if you can do what other girls can without looking at your photo ;D .. If you have normal length arms, they may look a bit odd, or you upper body is already shorter than the legs now, you won't appreciate the extra length that much. However, bear in mind that by doing 5 inches, you REALLY REALLY push your body to its limit.. Dangerous implication, permanent damage are very likely at that length. Considering these risks, consult with an experienced surgeon in LL field (dont waste time asking your local doctor, he won't know it) and then make your own decision. Several experienced and reliable surgeons can be found on this website, including their contacts.

-174cm


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on July 26, 2008, 05:52:44 PM
 ;DSorry I took my photo off because I saw the simulations I made were not so accurate. I tried to do it over to get the inches right so this is the best I can do here.

I am 26 yrs old, Married, mother of two. (Started young). I am very mature and ready for it. I have been considering this since I was 21, when I first found out about it. I dont have any money saved for it yet. I just barely made the decision to do it finally. I was concerned about the time it takes, but after speaking to my husband we feel it is time...., so I plan on having this surgery done in one year.

 I want to go with DR. BETZ. I have spoken to him through email several times for the past few years on and off. I feel confident and very brave about having this done. I do have lots of time to commit to this. I know it will take between 7 to 12 months depending on each person, and Im ready for it. . My kids are going to be homeschooled as well, and my husband will quit his job when its time. well here is my photo with my original height, then I tweeked it with my femurs about 1.5 to 2 inches longer, and my tibia 2.5 to 3.5 inches taller. Not sure how accurate it is. Do you thinhttp://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/naagirl/1001bthbones-1.jpgk I look unproportioned?(http://)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on July 26, 2008, 05:54:47 PM
(http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/naagirl/1001bthbones-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Americanpimp on July 27, 2008, 09:17:29 AM
           The second one is too long, making your arms look short.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on July 27, 2008, 01:01:18 PM
Sorry, but the second picture really doesn't look good to me.

Also, to tweak the pictures properly, you need to use the approach that mysteryman explained to everyone - do a search on 'photoshop' on the forum to find it.

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 174cm on July 28, 2008, 04:54:17 PM
is the 2nd photo with 10inches added?
If so, maybe that's a bit too much for you. Start with 1 operation first and then see where you stand in your life after that. If you still not happy and got time and money to do the 2nd LL, then you can decide at that point later. Dont worry about the 2nd LL until you finish the 1st.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on July 28, 2008, 08:14:53 PM
Thanks guys for your input. I see now after that it is too much. I couldnt find anything really on how to photoshop the photos so I will just do little by little like 174cm said. In the photo, it sort of looks like I added 2.5 inches to my femurs, and 3.5 inches to my tibias.
I want to do 3 inches on the tibias, and 1.5 inches on my femurs. So Ill just do my tibias first, and femurs later if I am not happy. Good advice 174cm. 

Should I take a photo on a white wall? I dont have photoshop, I actually used "paint" program that comes with computers when you buy it. Adding 4.5 inches is enough for me. I think my photo above has 6 inches of increase so it does look unproportioned a whole lot. what do you think? Is it more 6 inches in the photos or 4.5 inches . what does it look like to you? your opinion so I can tweek it differently.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: osteo on July 29, 2008, 03:53:34 AM
Hm...I still can't figure out why girls would want LL, barring being dwarves.  Afterall, they can get away with wearing high heels.  I personally find petite girls attractive.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on July 29, 2008, 08:00:27 AM
Hm...I still can't figure out why girls would want LL, barring being dwarves.  Afterall, they can get away with wearing high heels.  I personally find petite girls attractive.

It's a social conditioning thing - if you put airbrushed images of women in magazines, then it will create issues.

However, LL doesn't deliver the same kind of benefits for women as men - it will not make them more attractive to the opposite sex, but it may improve their confidence, which is the a benefit of many forms of cosmetic surgery...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on July 29, 2008, 06:57:41 PM
HI!
For me, I want LL  for many reasons, such as being teased. My last name is LONG and they call me by my first name then "short", and all my cousins and siblings are atleast 5ft 6" tall, and Im the only short one in my family. Even my mom is taller than me by 2 to 3 inches.

When I buy pants, I either have to go searching like crazy for "short" sizes, which is very frustrating, and I also usually end up not finding many selections, so I buy regular size pants and cut and sew them just so I can wear them.

I cant wear heels higher than 2 inches because its so so uncomfortable to wear longer than an hour so I stick to 2 inch heels, which makes no difference because Im still short with heels on. In my own standards, a female is tall when she is atleast 5'6" tall. With heels, Im still only 5ft 3.5. I even have sneakers that have 2 inch wedged heel that I sometimes wear but its a little hard on my feet.

I also think girls with longer legs are prettier, and taller girls are more noticable. I know when I see a group of girls, the taller girls stands out to me, while the shorter ones dont have my attention at all. In my group of friends, I am the shorter girl, and I hate that. I know what I think is attractive, and the only way for me to ever be satisfied is to be taller.

When I was thinner, I still looked short and stubby. Was it Isabelle that posted her photoshoped photos above, and she is 5 ft. 0.5 Inches tall, and she added about 5 inches to her height and she looked great. I think if I did the photoshopping right to add just 4.5 inches, I will look okay too. I just dont know how so maybe someone would be able to photoshop my photo for me.

I want to at least be 5ft 6 so I need to gain about 4.5 inches. Possibly 2.5 inches on tibias, and 2 inches on femurs. Or 3 inches on tibias, 1.5 inches on femurs, whatever is possible depending on tibias.

Some people would only justify their own reasons and think others are crazy for getting it, but we are all here for the same general reasons.... I just have more than others .



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PocketRocket on July 29, 2008, 10:10:12 PM
Male or female... always being the shortest or near shortest person in a room or walking around the mall gets annoying, its not a nice feeling when people look over you, male or female, its not all about becoming more attractive.

P.r


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on July 31, 2008, 06:27:27 PM
Yeah, being the shortest does get really annoying for me. I feel like people dont take me seriously.

To correct a comment I made earlier about a female who posted her picture adding 5 inches and how it looks great , I mistakenly got the names mixed up. It was Tempest, not isabelle. Sorry Isabelle.

And that is also one of the reasons why I want this surgery...
It will make such a big difference in my attitude and life...I could already picture my life after recovering fully. Its going to be long, but sooooo worth it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: pixie on July 31, 2008, 11:27:29 PM

Ive said this before to guys women don't JUST get away with wearing high heels to do the gardening, ride a horse, play softball, go hillwalking, downhill skiing........... High heels are for going out in and not much else, would you men think of playing Football in highheels-ok Stacks in trainers? Basketball? or how about a spot of stiletto snowboarding?...
Women need longer legs or extra height for very valid reasons and maybe 3 or 4 hours a week high heels can quick fix it but the rest is just as difficult as it is for you Guys.
Please don't insult a woman's intelligence.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: iamshort on August 01, 2008, 08:38:39 PM
so i've always been skeptical of the argument that women can actually carry the extra inches of limb lengthening better than men. sure...women wear high heels...but i fail to notice guys who wear lifts all the time and whatnot. anyway...this recent study performed by some polish scientists i think confirms my belief. according to the study, both MEN and WOMEN look ideal when their legs are 5% longer than the average proportions for their height. these scientists basically went around and asked thousands of people their opinions on which pictures looked the best and stuff and this was their conclusion. any deviation in either direction of the 5% ideal for either gender decreased the aesthetic appeal of the particular picture. what i think this study confirms is that, if anything, men can actually lengthen more and get away with it because they have longer legs to begin with for a particular height, so a whatever percent increase of their current length would be greater. now i know that almost everyone on this board seems to think otherwise...but from reading all the proportion discussions and whatnot, i think the proposition that women can carry the length better is largely an unsubstantiated claim that many people seemed to accept after reading a lot of similar comments.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PocketRocket on August 01, 2008, 10:59:09 PM
so i've always been skeptical of the argument that women can actually carry the extra inches of limb lengthening better than men. sure...women wear high heels...but i fail to notice guys who wear lifts all the time and whatnot. anyway...this recent study performed by some polish scientists i think confirms my belief. according to the study, both MEN and WOMEN look ideal when their legs are 5% longer than the average proportions for their height. these scientists basically went around and asked thousands of people their opinions on which pictures looked the best and stuff and this was their conclusion. any deviation in either direction of the 5% ideal for either gender decreased the aesthetic appeal of the particular picture. what i think this study confirms is that, if anything, men can actually lengthen more and get away with it because they have longer legs to begin with for a particular height, so a whatever percent increase of their current length would be greater. now i know that almost everyone on this board seems to think otherwise...but from reading all the proportion discussions and whatnot, i think the proposition that women can carry the length better is largely an unsubstantiated claim that many people seemed to accept after reading a lot of similar comments.

Hey iamshort... interesting post. My opinion is similar to yours in that men can carry the LL increase just as good as women, providing the increase is 4-8cm ish, and depending on the wingspan/proportions of the individual.. a persons frame is a really important factor, it is afterall what separates us all in part.
Saying 'women can lengthen more and aesthetically get away with it' is too simple a statement... Lets be honest, if a weedy small boned short guy extends his tibias by 7.5cm/ 3 inches (ish), it isnt going to do his overall image/frame any favours.. he might well end up looking like a spider.. I guess my point is, if people lengthen in relation to their proportions or 'build', and not lengthen to achieve maximum results, the aesthetic should improve or atleast maintained.

Peace
P.r.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on August 02, 2008, 08:10:51 AM
Trust me, longer, thinner legs look better on a woman.

If you do 8 -10cm, your leg will be noticeably longer and thinner, and we tend to associate this look with women, rather than men.

Where I have seen men lengthen too much for their proportions, it gives them a 'feminine' look.

It may be a stereotype, but I think that women prefer men with strong, athletic looking legs, rather than long, slim ones, and that the opposite is true for men - they want their women with long thin legs ;)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ciao on August 02, 2008, 06:20:36 PM
Could you people give me your opinions on this last simulation :
Does proportions looks normal ? (then i will tell the lengths added)
Thanks!


(http://picture.homeftp.net/LL1.jpg)




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on August 02, 2008, 10:37:50 PM
I think that those femurs look WAY too long - and I think that women would find that very unattractive.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: CuriousLL on August 03, 2008, 01:16:30 AM
I think MMT is correct. The fumur will look too long and thin. I hope it helps


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on August 03, 2008, 05:23:00 AM
You are fortunate to have long arms to keep you looking in proportion.   :)  I think the proportions look within limits, but I lengthened quite a bit myself, and may be biased.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ciao on August 03, 2008, 01:52:20 PM
ok thanks for ur opinions guys...
In this simulation the increased height is 9 cm, so that's a lot :
+5 femur and +4 tibia.   Maybe i will only do +5cm tibia.

i would like to have some girls opinions plz...  :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: GUnit on August 04, 2008, 04:08:52 PM
Here is some interesting stuff on proportions. For us men, the outcome kinda sucks :)

http://www.femininebeauty.info/leg-body-ratio

GU


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on August 04, 2008, 06:40:15 PM
Here is some interesting stuff on proportions. For us men, the outcome kinda sucks :)

http://www.femininebeauty.info/leg-body-ratio

GU


Ah, I was looking for the pictures they used!  Thanks GU.   :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: iamshort on August 04, 2008, 09:20:10 PM
i'm HIGHLY skeptical of the accuracy of that study. it's really hard to judge a cartoon drawing's level of attractiveness and here's a huge criticism of that study: apparently a female's most attractive when her legs are 40% longer than her torso?! even taking a relatively short torso...like say....a person with a 30 inch sitting height...that's still a difference of 12 inches from one end of the spectrum to another. i'm pretty sure that a 1:1 ratio is standard...and with that in mind...99.99999% of females in the world cannot increase their leg length by 40% and actually expect to look more attractive then they were before. heck...looking at the case studies on this forum...it's rare to even see a girl who can increase by 10% and look better in my opinion.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: GrownGrowth on August 05, 2008, 12:58:52 AM
Could you people give me your opinions on this last simulation :
Does proportions looks normal ? (then i will tell the lengths added)
Thanks!

I think it looks reasonable. Could definitely tell you altered femurs and tibias before you mentioned it. When I focus on your femurs, they look long, but when I compare to the profile/outline of your entire leg, the femurs look "close enough" to the tibias to me. Remember, bulking and trimming will change perception a lot.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: naagirl on August 05, 2008, 02:55:50 PM
I was just wondering...Dong Mei lengthened by 12cm, but was it all in the tibias? Or did she do some in the femurs?

Also, just a general question that has nothing to do with my first question... while I know I want to go through with the surgery even though it is painful...Im going to ask a dumb question that I think I know the answer to, but Im not sure so I just need the veterans to tell me from their own experiences....

 I was wondering why it is painful? Is it because our bones have been broken or because we are clicking and stretching and it hurts to stretch the muscles?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on August 05, 2008, 07:13:16 PM
I was just wondering...Dong Mei lengthened by 12cm, but was it all in the tibias? Or did she do some in the femurs?

All in the tibiae.

Quote
I was wondering why it is painful? Is it because our bones have been broken or because we are clicking and stretching and it hurts to stretch the muscles?

Both. And because if you get an infection it hurts too! Most of the pain comes from muscle problems.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: longest yard on August 21, 2008, 07:05:31 AM
@ soho:
in my opinion you do look a little bit skinny but its not odd and i know guys they look almost the same (not having done LL)... i guess its the long arms which make you look in due proportion...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ciao on August 22, 2008, 12:45:30 AM
@ soho:
in my opinion you do look a little bit skinny but its not odd and i know guys they look almost the same (not having done LL)... i guess its the long arms which make you look in due proportion...

Hi thanks for you opinion.
I know i do look skinny  ;D, i should build muscles, with is also my project.

Maybe i should do something like 5cm in tibia and less (3cm) or nothing in femur. Anyway in real life I wear a suit everyday so I think it will look fine...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: kaywan on August 25, 2008, 01:32:06 PM
Hello Mysteryman or anyone else that might be able to help
 
Im a new member of MMT. Im planing to do a LL surgery and I was reading on forums and found a post where you had adjusted the pictures of a female poster. This way she could see how she would look at diffrent hights.
 
The link to the forum post is:
 
http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,63.20.html (http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,63.20.html)
 
 
I would like to do this my self, and wanted to ask you how you did it? The pictures you adjusted look like if they are real pictures and you cant see that they actualy are adjusted. Is it a software you use? Or are you just a natural in paintshop :) ?
 
 
Im looking forward for your answer, and I will post some pictures of my self and a diary and other information about my own LL. Im doing it at Betz Institute with Dr.Prof. Betz.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: princess on August 29, 2008, 01:46:29 PM
hi, I'm Italian  I'm new in this forum and I'm so sorry for my bad  English, but I want to do a ll surgery, before it I want to see how I could become so can someone photoshop my photo please send me a message


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: blackeyedpablo on August 29, 2008, 01:50:35 PM
Hi Princess if you need some help youcan email me, be glad to help, preferrably on white background as it will be a lot easier, otherwhise just pick a plain background. My adress is p_davik@hotmail.com. Take care.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: blackeyedpablo on August 29, 2008, 04:46:52 PM
Hey Geheimes!! the same for you, if you need help mail me the pics


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Bluesman on January 24, 2009, 12:14:22 AM
Would have preferred to have made my own thread on this but I'll make do here. I thought it would be worth getting some experienced opinions on wether or not I'd be suited to LL. Well at least to the degree I'm interested in, which is about a 3 inch increase to get me to 6ft.

I'm currently 176cm (little over 5'9'') tall.
Armspan: 180cm

Here are a few photo's. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/rHy0/MMTphoto-1.jpg)(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/rHy0/MMTphoto2-1.jpg)(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j312/rHy0/MMTphoto3-1.jpg)




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on January 24, 2009, 12:57:08 AM
Would have preferred to have made my own thread on this but I'll make do here. I thought it would be worth getting some experienced opinions on wether or not I'd be suited to LL. Well at least to the degree I'm interested in, which is about a 3 inch increase to get me to 6ft.

I'm currently 176cm (little over 5'9'') tall.
Armspan: 180cm

Here are a few photo's. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

Anyway can get away with LL up to 5cm regardless of their starting height.

For a more detailed view, you have to have a consultation with a doctor - pictures are not really an effective way to assess someone.

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Bluesman on January 24, 2009, 01:04:19 AM
Anyway can get away with LL up to 5cm regardless of their starting height.

For a more detailed view, you have to have a consultation with a doctor - pictures are not really an effective way to assess someone.

Cheers,

MMT
Okay thanks for the quick response. I was really just looking for opinions on my leg length (quite long as they are) compared to my body and if I would look odd with them any longer. Just a bit concerned about that.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on January 24, 2009, 01:11:20 AM
Okay thanks for the quick response. I was really just looking for opinions on my leg length (quite long as they are) compared to my body and if I would look odd with them any longer. Just a bit concerned about that.

Well, your legs are long, especially your femurs, but I think that you could get away with 5cm on your tibiae with no problems.

Any more than that, or messing with your femurs and I think that you'd look un-proportioned and with a small torso.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Bluesman on January 24, 2009, 01:17:07 AM
Well, your legs are long, especially your femurs, but I think that you could get away with 5cm on your tibiae with no problems.

Any more than that, or messing with your femurs and I think that you'd look un-proportioned and with a small torso.
Yeah I thought they were very long. Wish I had more headroom.

Anyway 5cm is fine. Thanks MMT.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on January 24, 2009, 06:15:09 AM

I agree with MMT.  You already have average/long legs.  Too much would be way too much for you.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Goforit on January 24, 2009, 07:24:36 AM
I think your current hight and proportions are just fine now, I would not do something like LL in your case. Read diaries what you have to undergo in order to get some height. 176cm is fine height for a man almost everywhere.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Bo on January 24, 2009, 09:21:32 AM
You do have some pretty long/average looking legs allready; doesn't neccesarily mean you can't get LL, but any extreme lengthening on either segment might look a little strange. Whats your sitting height?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: NoTanAlto on February 12, 2009, 10:42:59 PM
Hello all,

      Im fairly new to this site, though i've been on it everyday since i first found out about it lol. I am pretty set on having the LL surgery but am still looking into the methods and all that good stuff, especially the proportions. Can an experienced person please photoshop a picture of mine so that I can more or less see the outcome. I am debating between 8cm or 10cm. I can message someone with the photo.
Thanks guys!

Currently: 168cm


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Zernan on March 01, 2009, 05:32:57 PM
I have a wingspan of 176cm and current height of 165....if I am lucky to get ll in the future do you think i can get away with 175...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 01, 2009, 06:04:33 PM
Can an experienced person please photoshop a picture of mine so that I can more or less see the outcome.

Hello and welcome!

Photoshop won't really help you - the only way to really understand what is right for you is to have a consultation with a doctor and let them measure you up.

Only a picture of your entirely naked would really be much use for Photoshopping, and we're not that kind of site :)

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Growing on March 06, 2009, 02:51:41 AM
Like many of you guys... I don't want to look like a freak post LL.  That said, I am fortunate enough to have a long torso, long arms, and short legs.  Perfect LL candidate!

I am currently 168 cm (5'6") and have a 174 cm (almost 5'9") wingspan.  I'm looking to hit 178 cm (5'10").  Frankly, I think I can pull it off as I have been pulling the old "stand on a stack of books and look at the mirror" technique that I'm sure we've all tried!

Anyway, guys... I look forward to posting more.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Pursuer on March 11, 2009, 08:35:34 PM
I can't really see why is everyone so obsessed with proportions.. unless you are in the modeling business WHO on earth is going to measure you up and down while you're standing against a wall half naked?

Or are we talking solely about a beach experience?

168cm, I wish I had your monkey arms but then again this wingspan chaos seem to be rather irrelevant too - stand up straight and raise and lower your SHOULDERS. How much difference is there without doing anything special? Are your elbows bent? 10cm? 15? Can you touch your knees if you try hard? :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ciao on March 19, 2009, 01:07:34 PM
I can't really see why is everyone so obsessed with proportions.. unless you are in the modeling business WHO on earth is going to measure you up and down while you're standing against a wall half naked?

Or are we talking solely about a beach experience?

168cm, I wish I had your monkey arms but then again this wingspan chaos seem to be rather irrelevant too - stand up straight and raise and lower your SHOULDERS. How much difference is there without doing anything special? Are your elbows bent? 10cm? 15? Can you touch your knees if you try hard? :D

Believe me you can't add 10 cm in one area without looking odd, except for very few people. Just do a photoshop simulation, without clothes. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 19, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
I can't really see why is everyone so obsessed with proportions.. unless you are in the modeling business WHO on earth is going to measure you up and down while you're standing against a wall half naked?

Because visible (even at a subconscious level) problems with proportion will make you unattractive because you just look 'off'.

I don't know a single man who has done 10cm on one segment who is happy share post-operation pictures with people, and who reports being entirely happy with their experience.

For women, it's OK... Slavonic women have naturally longer tibiae than other groups and so it is possible for women to carry that off, but people like SS regretted it because:

1. He didn't look as good and became self-conscious, particularly when naked.

2. He was unable to balance when working out in the gym - he posted a picture of himself squatting and his bum was so far over the back of his heels that it looked odd and he was unable to balance properly.

3. His muscles felt weaker which undermined his athletic ability.

You only don't worry about them if height really is your only concern... if the 2cm difference between 7.5cm which has been proven to be safe and 10.0cm which seem problematic makes a huge difference to you, then do it, but like all things like, the benefits come at a cost.

MMT


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Mad Max on March 19, 2009, 11:05:47 PM
3. His muscles felt weaker which undermined his athletic ability.MMT

This doesn't surprise me at all.

After lengthening you've reduced leverage because the muscles and tendons are still attached to the bone at the same place. With a squat, when you stand up straight you'll have lift the weight higher than before so I doubt you'll be able to lift as much.
Your muscles need to be retrained to MORE than a 100% of what they were before.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 19, 2009, 11:54:15 PM
This doesn't surprise me at all.

After lengthening you've reduced leverage because the muscles and tendons are still attached to the bone at the same place. With a squat, when you stand up straight you'll have lift the weight higher than before so I doubt you'll be able to lift as much.
Your muscles need to be retrained to MORE than a 100% of what they were before.

More importantly, some scientific studies suggest that when muscles are stretched beyond 7.6cm that they lose their maximum potential forever, which makes sense.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Mad Max on March 20, 2009, 05:24:47 AM
More importantly, some scientific studies suggest that when muscles are stretched beyond 7.6cm that they lose their maximum potential forever, which makes sense.

Are these studies available somewhere online?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 21, 2009, 05:27:29 PM
Are these studies available somewhere online?

Yep, and have been referenced many times on the forum.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Mad Max on March 22, 2009, 05:13:38 AM
The only place I found where the recommended maximum lengthening was 7.6cm was in this Journal of Bone and Joint Surgeries.
http://www.ejbjs.org/cgi/reprint/40/2/311.pdf

The journal was from the late 50s.
They were all children with an average age of 11.5.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on March 27, 2009, 12:05:28 AM

This will help with the understanding of human body mechanics and why proportions are important for dynamics:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6140471/Human-Body-DynamicsClassical-Mechanics-Human-Movement


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 27, 2009, 10:10:56 PM
This will help with the understanding of human body mechanics and why proportions are important for dynamics:

Very useful - it should help people to understand what is obvious to others :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on March 30, 2009, 09:22:08 PM
Very useful - it should help people to understand what is obvious to others :)

And so I wonder if the understanding of this material was mandatory throughout the world (yeah....ha ha), would less people chose LL?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on March 31, 2009, 02:00:33 AM
And so I wonder if the understanding of this material was mandatory throughout the world (yeah....ha ha), would less people chose LL?

No, but those who do LL would do so to moderation so that they can remain proud of their bodies and be able to maintain their athletic functions... it's no surprise to me that the people least likely to share pictures of themselves post-LL are those who have done a LOT of lengthening ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on April 04, 2009, 04:57:43 PM
No, but those who do LL would do so to moderation so that they can remain proud of their bodies and be able to maintain their athletic functions... it's no surprise to me that the people least likely to share pictures of themselves post-LL are those who have done a LOT of lengthening ;)

Go figure.  I guess they have the least reason to impress because they know they already accomplished so much.  Also possibly because a reason for lengthening was to take away (perceived) external opinions/judgments----having acquired the desired internal happiness due to their accomplishment.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on April 04, 2009, 05:12:09 PM
Go figure.  I guess they have the least reason to impress because they know they already accomplished so much.  Also possibly because a reason for lengthening was to take away (perceived) external opinions/judgments----having acquired the desired internal happiness due to their accomplishment.

Internal happiness and happiness with physical appearance are not mutually-exclusive - on the contrary one would argue that someone like me who has been happy to show his post-LL proportions is clearly more satisfied than someone like you who refuses to do so :)

I know that many people in the community are curious to see if you'll ever share a picture with us to prove your happiness with your new proportions ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: VenomXtacy on May 04, 2009, 12:42:43 PM
Ok im still not sure how to start a thread or a diary but a "proportions" thread is a great place for me to start since i just became a member and "proportions" if definately a hot topic. Im a 28 years old and just wrote an email to Dr. Xia in China to start this whole process (I hope I dont get those WTF did I do moments when I realize I payed to break two perfectly good legs) but guess what, i welcome any pain that means Im doing something about my dreams. Well the email mostly dealt with that word "Proportions".
Give me an opinion here guys or gals.

Im 5'9 (175cm) tall and have a wingspan of 6'1" (185cm) with a sitting height of 3'1" (94cm) which would make my legs 2'8" (81.3cm) and a reaching height height of 7'6" (229cm). Both upper and lower half of my legs look well proportioned at about 1'7.5" (49.5cm) from the ground to the top of my knee caps and that should make my upper half at about 1'.5" (31.8cm) from mid knee caps to the tip of the upside down "V" my legs create while slightly apart (yes, i had to lift my "package" a bit to get this measurement).

Please Note: these are measurements that affect the visual. my femur might be slightly longer but some blends into the hip area and appearance-wise doesnt count. this also helps balance the fact that my big ass might have slightly affected my sitting height lol. also note that sitting height and leg height (from floor to crotch) equal to total height. try it. floor to waistline is not leg length unless ur getting a pair of pants taylored. Remember that appearance-wise, mid knee cap is what gives you the impression of lower leg length when u sit down and your legs are at a 90 degree angle and its also where the measuring starts when u measure your upper leg to your crotch.

Well, my questions are,
Are my body proportions fitting for a 4" (10.2cm) leg lengthening?............ if so,
Should I aquire the 4" (10.2cm) by splitting 2" (5.1cm) on femurs and 2" (5.1cm) on Tibias?....... or,
Should I go by leg division percentage and maybe do 1.5" (3.8cm) on femurs and 2.5" (6.4cm) on Tibias?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: VenomXtacy on May 04, 2009, 12:48:06 PM
I meant "from the ground to mid knee caps". sorry


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on May 04, 2009, 04:17:50 PM
I meant "from the ground to mid knee caps". sorry

What's the length of your arm from your fingertip to the top of your shoulder?  Even with a 185 wingspan, your arms may look tyrannosaurus-like after LL if you have broad shoulders but short arms.  You will still look fine if your arm length is approximately 43-44% of your height.  This means your arms should be no less than about 79 cm.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Gneriec Urensmae on May 04, 2009, 08:03:48 PM
Arm length proportion has been on my mind alot, as it obviously has for a fair few people. But with this reference to the T-rex arm look: Has anyone ever actually had that after LL? Any pictures at all which show someone whose arms look too short?

I know that with all the calculations and people-watching you may have convinced yourself part of 'being tall and big' is also having long arms. I agree to an extent but a couple inches difference on an arm isn't that noticeable and that would equate to atleast 5-6 inches extra wingspan (counting increased shoulder width) which would mean someone could be that much different in height before it becomes noticeable.

Anyway, that latter paragraph has been debated ad nauseum so all i'm asking is if there are any pictures of someone with short looking arms after LL?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on May 04, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
You'll find that the only people who are happy to have their pictures taken after LL are those with good proportions; a lot of those doing a lot of lengthening will disappear into the ether without showing themselves once their done :)

But I'll see if I can find any photos showing the phenomenon that you're talking about...



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: VenomXtacy on May 05, 2009, 07:42:36 AM
What's the length of your arm from your fingertip to the top of your shoulder?  Even with a 185 wingspan, your arms may look tyrannosaurus-like after LL if you have broad shoulders but short arms.  You will still look fine if your arm length is approximately 43-44% of your height.  This means your arms should be no less than about 79 cm.



Ive been reading threads on here for a while on and off and with your reply, I finally feel part of this great site. This is groundbreaking for me as I fully plan on shooting for the best diary on MMT with plenty of before and after pictures showing my height relative to fixed objects like doorways and before and after pictures next to the same people to show my gains on them and I'll be sure to show off my legs before, during and after LL.
One quick thought on MMT's point on people who dont show off their Legs after LL. Hes RIGHT. People become obsessed with height and they go for it without doing their homework. "Proportions" is VERY important. People know you as a short guy and out of the blue, you are a few inches taller, come on, especially those you have surpassed in height are gonna be like WTF, wasnt i taller than u last time I saw you? People will look at you from head to toe. even those who you never met. If your proportions look good even if not perfect, then ur in great shape. people will embrace ur new look. However, if people made fun of you cause you're short and you make ridiculous gains on just shins or thighs, then they just found another reason to make fun of you. If you are not willing to show pictures, theres no testimony greater that you are not happy with that word "Proportions" and you're pretty sure that if you show pics, the world would be like, uhhhhh ....... hmmmm, i guess u look ok. sure you do. yeah, yeah I know that was NOT a quick thought on MMT's point.

goman, I just got my arms measured and they stand at 2'8" (81.3cm) and standing normally, fingertips rest at mid thigh. You guys are the pro's with great knowledge on this. Id greatly appreciate your thoughts on this and my previous questions.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on May 05, 2009, 08:07:05 PM
"Proportions" is VERY important.

goman, I just got my arms measured and they stand at 2'8" (81.3cm) and standing normally, fingertips rest at mid thigh. You guys are the pro's with great knowledge on this. Id greatly appreciate your thoughts on this and my previous questions.
Warning: the following is not for those who care less about proportions and numbers.

If you trust nature's standards with the help of Fibonacci and Da Vinci, 81.3/0.43 means you could be 189 cm without people taking a second glance at your proportions (except sometimes your height!).  Also, @ 81.3 cm, your shoulders probably have decent breadth as well since your overall wingspan is 185. 

The only thing is your upper torso length from hips up.  Unless you have a smaller head (meaning more of the length is in your torso), your upper body may become mini and non-dominant if you lengthen your legs---especially your femurs---too much.  The best way for (maximum LL) ideal leg proportions (based on biophysics) is to have your knees fold flush to your shoulder level and your heels rest flush to your tailbone.  The woman below has those proportions if her heels were tilted back.

(http://www.prevention.com/pvnstatic-assets/images/2008/November/Fitness/200x200/200x200-childs_pose-200x200_childs_pose.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: VenomXtacy on May 06, 2009, 04:38:26 AM
Warning: the following is not for those who care less about proportions and numbers.

If you trust nature's standards with the help of Fibonacci and Da Vinci, 81.3/0.43 means you could be 189 cm without people taking a second glance at your proportions (except sometimes your height!).  Also, @ 81.3 cm, your shoulders probably have decent breadth as well since your overall wingspan is 185. 

The only thing is your upper torso length from hips up.  Unless you have a smaller head (meaning more of the length is in your torso), your upper body may become mini and non-dominant if you lengthen your legs---especially your femurs---too much.  The best way for (maximum LL) ideal leg proportions (based on biophysics) is to have your knees fold flush to your shoulder level and your heels rest flush to your tailbone.  The woman below has those proportions if her heels were tilted back.

(http://www.prevention.com/pvnstatic-assets/images/2008/November/Fitness/200x200/200x200-childs_pose-200x200_childs_pose.jpg)

My head is above average, however my neck is not very long so it compensates somewhat. I also like the idea of a bigger head on a tall body since I plan on body building down the line and would blend really well. My mind is set at 4" (10.2cm) overall increase. I think ill go with 2" (5.1cm) on both Tibiae and Femur even tho with your info, im starting to really consider 2.5" (6.4cm) on both Tibiae and Femur to put me at 6'2" (188cm) with a wingspan of 6'1" (185.4cm) and a sitting height of exactly half at 3'1" (94cm) and arms at 2'8" (81.3cm). Nothing T-Rexy about those proportions. Man this is really sounding good and i cant wait to get started.
Still awaiting a reply from Dr. Xia or anyone from his office.
The reason I decided to divide the height increase on both tibias and femurs is because when I sit down on the ground, I can bend my knees up to my chest and my feet are flat on the ground with my heels touching my butt. If I increase a few inches just on femurs, my feet would come off the ground when the knees come up to the chest. If I increase only on Tibias, My knees would be able to touch my chest and id be able to have my feet flat on the ground but I would NOT be able to bring my heels up to my butt at the same time.
NOTE: My knees are a few inches (maybe 3" or 7.6cm) below my shoulders when bent up to my chest so equal increases would allow for balance (sitting, knees to chest, feet flat on ground, heels touching rump). Bare in mind that if u cant touch your knees to your chest or touch your heels to you butt perfectly, its cause we have things called Quadriceps and Calfs that get in the way but you get my drift


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: VenomXtacy on May 06, 2009, 05:26:32 AM
definately goes hand in hand with what you're talking about and the picture you posted by just imagining her in that same position, only sitting. You know your stuff.
I want to consider every possible thing LL might interfere with and then go with the best option. I dont want to offend anyone who decided to do LL differently and just thought "height" and not anything else. 10cm increase sounds great but only if you're dividing it on both sections. come on, 8cm to 10cm increase on one section seems quick and less time consuming and yes, much much cheaper but snap a picture of yourself in the position like the woman pictured above and then you realize how bad it looks. Like MMT said somewhere, you'd simply look "off".

http://www.lengthening-sldf.com/cosmetic_limb_lengthening.htm
This guy did 13cm on Tibias. come on, looks very T-Rexy to me with those arms. this guy looks way "off". his height increase should have been 8cm tops for his original frame and thats divided on both sections of his legs. great example. he seems proud but once he leaves that hospital and into the real world, people WILL give him the "WTF is that" look. I rather pay more, consume more time and suffer more pain to get it RIGHT. Do your homework people, Damn. I sure as hell am.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on May 06, 2009, 11:49:58 PM

Believe me, the time is well spent.

Even today I am sometimes caught off guard about my new lengths, thinking maybe I went too far because I don't look like I did.  But then I remember all the research and comparisons I did, or just the fact that I look like most other people, and then the tingly giddiness comes back again.   :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: VenomXtacy on May 07, 2009, 04:09:33 AM
Believe me, the time is well spent.

Even today I am sometimes caught off guard about my new lengths, thinking maybe I went too far because I don't look like I did.  But then I remember all the research and comparisons I did, or just the fact that I look like most other people, and then the tingly giddiness comes back again.   :D

You had the desire, you reasearched (dam this is so important), you made a decision, you took action and you acomplished it. I have nothing but respect and Im working on joining the small team of guys and gals with the Balls to do something as crazy as this :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on May 07, 2009, 05:51:01 AM
 ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kenny on May 15, 2009, 02:20:35 AM
What's the length of your arm from your fingertip to the top of your shoulder?  Even with a 185 wingspan, your arms may look tyrannosaurus-like after LL if you have broad shoulders but short arms.  You will still look fine if your arm length is approximately 43-44% of your height.  This means your arms should be no less than about 79 cm.


Yeah that's a good point about the shoulder width thing. But something else you should keep in mind regarding arm length vs height: your fingertip distance from your kneecap or ground isn't an accurate way to tell your arm length. Why? Because people who are the same height can vary CONSIDERABLY in shoulder height. So somebody who might have relatively long arms but VERY BROAD HIGH-SET SQUARE SHOULDERS (like me) their fingertips might be further from the ground because of their arms start higher from the ground as OPPOSE TO SOMEBODY WITH VERY NARROW LOW -SET SLOPING SHOULDERS.
It's also worth noting that two people of the exact same top-of-head height the one who has higher shoulders would look taller than the low-shouldered one.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: luv2sd on June 07, 2009, 07:49:18 AM
More importantly, some scientific studies suggest that when muscles are stretched beyond 7.6cm that they lose their maximum potential forever, which makes sense.

this is 100% true because I studied it in a neuroscience lab when I was in undergrad

you yank a dead frog's leg muscle too far, it's dead for good


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on June 07, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
this is 100% true because I studied it in a neuroscience lab when I was in undergrad

you yank a dead frog's leg muscle too far, it's dead for good

Correct. Lengthen any muscle more than 7.5cm and you'll weaken it forever...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Gneriec Urensmae on June 10, 2009, 05:51:01 PM
this is 100% true because I studied it in a neuroscience lab when I was in undergrad

you yank a dead frog's leg muscle too far, it's dead for good

I'm not sure your education paid off if you fail to see the difference between short-term plastic deformation of a dead material and the long -term stretching of an organic material.

Plus your statement doesn't really make sense:
'you yank a dead frog's leg muscle too far, it's dead for good'


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Gneriec Urensmae on June 10, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
Don't take that as an insult btw. I just want to try and debate this idea of a maximum absolute length of elongation.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: luv2sd on June 16, 2009, 08:02:46 AM
I'm not sure your education paid off if you fail to see the difference between short-term plastic deformation of a dead material and the long -term stretching of an organic material.

Plus your statement doesn't really make sense:
'you yank a dead frog's leg muscle too far, it's dead for good'


uh no my sentence makes perfect sense and I know what I'm talking about

what doesn't make sense is your sentence "you fail to see the difference between short-term plastic deformation of a dead material and the long -term stretching of an organic material"

did you even take any scientific lab in college or highschool? it doesn't sound like you did lol


I'm not going to go into detail because it's waste of my time but I'm only replying because of your failed attempt at insult:

you euthanize a frog and use its mucles within 30 minutes while using chemicals to provide nutrients so they stay relatively flexible and fresh.
just like muscles in human legs, if you stretch a frog's leg muscle too far, beyond maximum threshold, it permanently loses its strength to retract


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Gneriec Urensmae on June 18, 2009, 09:50:44 AM
Erm......yeah that's plastic deformation.

If you don't understand what i said then you haven't gone past high school. Infact by reading your posts in sakis' thread i conclude you're an utter retard. Therefore, i won't be replying to any of your posts.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lisizk on June 18, 2009, 05:00:02 PM
I have decided to share with this community some animations of me at different height.
In the first picture it's me at my current height
In the second there are my femours lenghtened of 7 cm!
Finally you can see me 12 cm taller (7 in femours, 5 in tibias)
I have to say that I agree with the people that say proportions are not all that matter, especially with clothes on!
Some days ago I mesuared with a friend of mine who is like 1.90 cm tall and we have the same back size.
Hope you find helpful, I am waiting for all your comments and opinions.
Cheers
(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/8.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/9.jpg) (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/gio/10.jpg)
hi, how did you use photoshop to alternate the length of your tibiae and femurs?  i don't to take a phone of myself, and do an estimate.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lisizk on June 18, 2009, 05:22:04 PM
Hey everyone, newbie here.  Been lurking around the forum for awhile reading the threads but haven?t actually posted anything, till now.  First of all, I just wanna say that I really appreciate all the information and insight I?ve gained because of this forum and I?m really grateful, especially to those sharing their LL experiences.  It?s very reassuring to know that there ARE actual people out there who have done this and came back in one piece.  ;D  As for me, I definitely have my heart set on LL but unfortunately, I?ll have to wait till 2011 to actually follow up on it (gotta graduate and save up first).  I just hope this board will still be up and active by then  ::crosses fingers::  Anyhoo, onto the topic at hand, I photoshopped a pic and I would like to know your opinions, in terms of it looking proportioned or ?natural.?  The pic on the left is my original height (5 ft 0.5 inch).  For the pic on the right, I added 8 cm to the tibias and 7 cm to the femurs, making my total height approximately about 5 ft 6 inches (give or take a few millimeters).  At first I thought about doing 10 cm on the tibia and 5 cm on the femur but decided that it would look so obvious that my lower leg is longer than my thigh, especially when I have heels on.  So I figured I?d do roughly about 3 inches on both, not at the same time though (I?m gonna get the tibias done first, get the nails taken out after about a couple of years, then I?ll do the femurs).  Let me know what you guys think!

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2203/neworleanslayerdotheadeo9.jpg)    (http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7372/neworleanslayer78dotheaej8.jpg)


hi there, can i ask how you might use photoshop to make your legs longer in a photo?  and when you do that, how would you know how much in the photo is how many centimeters in real life?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: itsgena on August 16, 2009, 02:09:39 AM
I read on a website stretching up to 7.5cm is the safe limit, so for a 160cm female with long skinny arms, will 7.5 for the tibias and femurs look alright?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on August 16, 2009, 08:16:14 AM
I read on a website stretching up to 7.5cm is the safe limit, so for a 160cm female with long skinny arms, will 7.5 for the tibias and femurs look alright?

No. A woman who is 160cm is never going to be 175cm and look normal.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Katze on August 16, 2009, 11:44:43 AM
Hi guys!

I have been wondering... I'm 1,54. How tall can I get without looking like a spider? I pretend to do both tibia and femur.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on August 16, 2009, 11:51:37 AM
Hi guys!

I have been wondering... I'm 1,54. How tall can I get without looking like a spider? I pretend to do both tibia and femur.

Everyone can do 5cm without any problems, and I reckon that girls can get away with 7-8cm quite easily as people actually expect women to have longer legs.

You should be able to 7.5cm without too much difficulty, and without affecting your athletic abilities, but you should have a consultation and see what your doctor says.

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: scormus on February 05, 2010, 10:37:32 PM
MMT - I've read just the first page of this.

Looking back 3 years later and no longer emotionally close to it, do you believe the 159 cm. guy who did 8.8 cm on the tibias did too much and ditto for Dong Mei?



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on February 05, 2010, 10:50:47 PM
MMT - I've read just the first page of this.

Looking back 3 years later and no longer emotionally close to it, do you believe the 159 cm. guy who did 8.8 cm on the tibias did too much and ditto for Dong Mei?



Yes.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: scormus on February 07, 2010, 05:01:54 PM
Is it true that Daniela Hantuchova's legs are really 43-44 inches (109+ cm) vs. her total height of 180 cm.

I agree she has the wingspan for it and even then it looks odd, but it makes me wonder if the torso matters that much (at least for women), as her torso is considerably shorter than mine despite her being 15 cm. taller than me pre-LL.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: elmajico on February 19, 2010, 02:56:22 PM
Wow, let me just say I saw the before and after pictures and they look great. I find it vey interesting how being insacure about your chest would trigger you to want to become taller. The mind is such a powerfull tool. Is it possibly because of you "resorted to hunching" that you felt you were shorter then you really were? Sorry, I didn't mean for you to go into such details but I'm just on the curious side. I find that if a person really feels in his/her mind that this surgery is all that is left to make him/her happy, then it will be the right decision.

If you read the diary, you will know that knowbody knew where I was when I first got here. I was to ashamed with myelf for comming to this conclusion so I couldn't tell anyone. I had told my familly that I went on a trip to Italy. So here I was in a foreign country, don't even speak the language and both my legs were about to be broaken in half.  It's not untill I was in the surgery room just before they put me asleep that I said to myself: "Ok, this is it. Now is the last chance I have to turn back. Today is the day where I'm changing my situation for the rest of my life"  They put the mask on and within a few seconds I was asleep. So for me, there was nothing that would stand in my way to acheive my goals.

Now here I am today writing this little comment with both my legs still broaken and I think to myself: "If I had to do this all over again, I would be there in a hart flash."  I think I made the right decision.


Just the same, and i used to be male model but with 181,u d't go far,so for everyone it was 183 with some papers or anything else in my shoes, couldn't walk without that for 8-10 year,as i stopped to grow up at 16...

so happy for my choice and making it ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Tomas170cm on March 03, 2010, 03:24:13 PM
I am surprised that iamshort wasn't asked to name a source for his [bold] claims.
"according to the study, both MEN and WOMEN look ideal when their legs are 5% longer than the average proportions for their height. "
That is VERY interesting if true.  Please link to source. 

Quote from: iamshort link=topic=63. msg15958#msg15958 date=1217623119
so i've always been skeptical of the argument that women can actually carry the extra inches of limb lengthening better than men.  sure. . . women wear high heels. . . but i fail to notice guys who wear lifts all the time and whatnot.  anyway. . . this recent study performed by some polish scientists i think confirms my belief.  according to the study, both MEN and WOMEN look ideal when their legs are 5% longer than the average proportions for their height.  these scientists basically went around and asked thousands of people their opinions on which pictures looked the best and stuff and this was their conclusion.  any deviation in either direction of the 5% ideal for either gender decreased the aesthetic appeal of the particular picture.  what i think this study confirms is that, if anything, men can actually lengthen more and get away with it because they have longer legs to begin with for a particular height, so a whatever percent increase of their current length would be greater.  now i know that almost everyone on this board seems to think otherwise. . . but from reading all the proportion discussions and whatnot, i think the proposition that women can carry the length better is largely an unsubstantiated claim that many people seemed to accept after reading a lot of similar comments. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: gal_rose on June 10, 2010, 05:37:18 PM
Hi, I am 160 tall and my wingspan is 162.  I would like to add 5 cm to my tibiae and 5 cm to my femurs.  I am trying to attach my picture, but don't know how to, please let me know how to do it.  Also, does anyone know how to measure the legs and the body and what is an allowable leg to body ratio for a woman?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on June 11, 2010, 10:56:25 PM
Hi, I am 160 tall and my wingspan is 162.  I would like to add 5 cm to my tibiae and 5 cm to my femurs.  I am trying to attach my picture, but don't know how to, please let me know how to do it.  Also, does anyone know how to measure the legs and the body and what is an allowable leg to body ratio for a woman?

I'm sorry, but 10cm is not realistic, nor is the desire to have it sane.

If you want to look taller, expect to get 5cm and that will be a big percentage increase in your height.

Having 170cm height and 162cm wingspan will make you look freakishly unattractive, as wingspan is normally a little longer then height, but never naturally smaller.

Cheers,

MMT


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: gal_rose on June 12, 2010, 03:23:02 AM
Quote from: gal_rose link=topic=63. msg37572#msg37572 date=1276306104

Well, what if I lengthen my arms too.  5cm is not worth going for it.  I wouldn't want to lengthen only one part of my leg and leave the other as is.  I would want to split the height I am going to add.  Does anyone know how to measure the legs and and the body, and what is a permissible body to leg ratio.   


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: gal_rose on June 12, 2010, 03:42:32 AM
How do we post pictures here?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: short legged on August 04, 2010, 11:21:51 PM
Hi, good day.  Here's my edited photo.  What do you think about my proportion? My current height is 163cm.

NOT ALLOWED i941. photobucket. com/albums/ad251/airstrike_olaer/Untitled-111111. jpg




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: prockprack on August 10, 2010, 04:18:59 AM
My 2 Cents when it comes to proportions. . .  something that always crosses my head when I read about people getting their chonies in a bunch over proportions.  :)

Would you rather have "normal" proportions and be below average height which everyone will always notice or would you rather be of Average height with a slight disproportion and most people won't notice ? :)

MP


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jay7 on August 10, 2010, 03:11:25 PM
Would you rather have "normal" proportions and be below average height which everyone will always notice or would you rather be of Average height with a slight disproportion and most people won't notice ? :)

Same conclusion I came to after thinking for days about this... hight is what matters here (maybe I should add: for men)! The rest is just dressing...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MMTA on August 17, 2010, 12:19:19 AM
Would you rather have "normal" proportions and be below average height which everyone will always notice or would you rather be of Average height with a slight disproportion and most people won't notice ? :)

Very simple words of wisdom - good post!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Legolas on August 17, 2010, 02:26:25 AM
Passing thoughts about proportions,
Increasingly, I find myself sensitive to proportions, particularly those of passersby. Whether by passing glance, double take, staring despite myself, or going as far as casually commenting on it to a friend, the way I perceive tibia-femur or torso-leg rations, wingspans relative to overall height, et cetera, will never be the same. MMT has permanently altered the way I view bones.
    I took the subway into Seoul yesterday to discuss bone density with my doc. His daughter had LL with Dr. Betz years ago. Hes the ONLY person who Ive discusses LL with in great detail. Were going to take bone density measurements next month as well as a few other tests. I bought some calcium/ vitamin D supplements. Just as I was approaching the medical building a tall blond American guy turned the corner. I had my shades on, sunny day. I couldnt my eyes off his tibias. They were extraordinarily long, but not in a freakish way. They were ripped, like that of a bicyclist. I noticed the gap between his calf muscle and heel to be really, really wide. He was wearing sandals. I imagined he would look good in white tube socks and high top Converse. The fine Darwinian specimen probably had no idea how blessed he is with such genes.
   Later, in the subway station, a tall black woman walked by me. She had crazy long legs. In fact, Id say she was 65-70% legs. Again, she didnt look freakish or alien. She looked absolutely stunning. Ive always wanted to date such a girl, have her wrap those long legs around me and squeeze me like a python.
   I saw other Americans with long dwarf-like torsos and short legs. I saw lots of Asians with short-looking tibias. I saw lots of perfectly proportioned girls in summer dresses and sandals. God, Asian girls are so beautiful, young mothers with teenage bodies everywhere.
   The point is that NO ONE appeared to have cared less about the proportions of others. If he/she has long legs, then they have long legs. Thats about as much thought that goes into it. Theyre certainly not going to start a commentary on the subject in the subway. It may come up as a passing comment, something like Nice legs! But thats about it.
   I suppose a lot of pre-LLers spend considerable time thinking about proportions. I certainly did way back when. But, after the topic was exhausted, I decided to wait until the consultation wherever, until I actually knew the measurements and ratios of my tibias and femurs, before getting all riled up about looking like a circus clown on stilts. Shouldn't we let the PhDs make such decisions for us? Theyre open to objectivity; were mired in subjectivity. Nowadays, I don't think so much about proportions. I really don't. Why? Because in the end my surgically-lengthened legs are going to be ripped and primed, and 6-8 cm longer. Im going to take a lot of pleasure and pride in the sculpting of my new legs.
   Until then, though, Im more concerned about prepping both physically and financially. Mentally, Im already there . . .  


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Andrew from NZ on August 17, 2010, 02:57:15 AM
Nice posts guys.

I can relate to this thread as well as I have normal to long legs compared with my torso (sitting height = 88cm), so after I get 7.5cm done on my tibias, I would have long legs.

I can live with having long legs, but to be honest I really don't want to live the rest of my life being the short guy.

Needless to say, I will be getting the surgery done anyway. ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: dan150 on September 09, 2010, 04:00:49 AM
Does anyone know if a tibia to femur ratio of 77% or 76% (based on x rays) is normal?  A lot of the information I've read states that the normal ratios begin higher at around 80%.   

And most importantly, does it look normal, or do the tibias look really short in real life?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Joe2000 on October 09, 2010, 10:46:38 AM
Hi guys
Im thinking about ll from  a long time.  
When i red posts about LL on this forum i thought that i can get about 7 cm in my femurs
my wingspan is 175cm and my height is 166. 5 at the night and im 21 years old.
Anyway i did photos of myself and it dont look to good :( My femurs are pretty long ;/

http://img259.imageshack.us/i/20101009487.jpg/
http://img835.imageshack.us/i/20101009488.jpg/
http://img28.imageshack.us/i/20101009489.jpg/
http://img43.imageshack.us/i/20101009490.jpg/

If u can tell me what u think about it i would me really happy.  


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: goman on October 11, 2010, 03:02:14 AM
Hi, I am 160 tall and my wingspan is 162.  I would like to add 5 cm to my tibiae and 5 cm to my femurs.  I am trying to attach my picture, but don't know how to, please let me know how to do it.  Also, does anyone know how to measure the legs and the body and what is an allowable leg to body ratio for a woman?

if you measure from your crotch, 50:50 looks just fine.  Women get away with even longer legs because long arms are a more masculine trait as are straight shoulders---which in that case men's hands don't sit as low on their sides as do women's.

Unless they've been deleted, there are several posts discussing how long the legs can be, and in proportion to your arms.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Joe2000 on October 30, 2010, 08:47:28 PM
Quote from: slawek1000 link=topic=63. msg39490#msg39490 date=1286621198
Hi guys
Im thinking about ll from  a long time.  
When i red posts about LL on this forum i thought that i can get about 7 cm in my femurs
my wingspan is 175cm and my height is 166.  5 at the night and im 21 years old. 
Anyway i did photos of myself and it dont look to good :( My femurs are pretty long ;/
NOT ALLOWED img259.  imageshack.  us/i/20101009487.  jpg/
NOT ALLOWED img835.  imageshack.  us/i/20101009488.  jpg/
NOT ALLOWED img28.  imageshack.  us/i/20101009489.  jpg/
NOT ALLOWED img43.  imageshack.  us/i/20101009490.  jpg/

If u can tell me what u think about it i would me really happy.  


Today i masure myselft and my sitting height is 83-84 cm :/ So if i do LL on my legs 6-7 cm(tibias or femurs) i will look just stupid cuz  my torso is short not legs . Even if i have 175-176 on my wingspan :(
What  u think guys about doing LL with my proportions?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: ninonino on January 02, 2011, 10:33:21 AM
hi everybody im french guy i am 167CM and my i have 173CM ON MY WINGSPAM ,I WOULD LIKE TO GROW 5/6 CM ON MY FEMUR BY ALBIZZIA WITH FRENCH DOCTOR ,WHAT DO YOU OF MY PROPORTIONS??thanks


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: nsd_second on January 02, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
hi everybody im french guy i am 167CM and my i have 173CM ON MY WINGSPAM ,I WOULD LIKE TO GROW 5/6 CM ON MY FEMUR BY ALBIZZIA WITH FRENCH DOCTOR ,WHAT DO YOU OF MY PROPORTIONS??thanks

you can do that easily. at around 5cm there is no need to worry about proportions. you have enough on the wingspan aswell.
good luck.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: ninonino on January 02, 2011, 02:55:23 PM
thank you nsd_second !i am reassure of my proportion ,i m just worry about knees tendonitis after ll!! i don t see post about that!thank you for you answers ,and one more time sorry for my english!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: doriangray.cz on February 14, 2011, 01:40:23 PM
Hello guys,
Im 26 and 168cm heigh, Id love to undergo Albizzia lenthening surgery. . . My wingspan is 171cm. . . would it be OK to make my both tibias 8cm plus to get 176cm? I think Im maybe the only person in here from Czech Republic and there is really a little infotmation in my country bout that problem so I will be glad if anyone reply to my post. . . best wishes Marek


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Joe2000 on April 17, 2011, 05:18:23 PM
Today i masure myselft and my sitting height is 83-84 cm :/ So if i do LL on my legs 6-7 cm(tibias or femurs) i will look just stupid cuz  my torso is short not legs . Even if i have 175-176 on my wingspan :(
What  u think guys about doing LL with my proportions?

Anybody can give me some thoughts about my proportions? :)

(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4144/20101009487.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on April 17, 2011, 05:31:01 PM
Slawek1000, I fixed the links to the photos you posted earlier so now people can see them easier. Hopefully more people will give you input now.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: devon on April 29, 2011, 06:33:43 AM
@slawek1000

What do you specifically want commented on regarding your proportions?  I think your proportions look fine in your photo.   If you plan to lengthen, I think lengthening your femurs would look great while maintaining normal looking proportions.   You're slightly bow-legged but nothing that detracts from your appearance though.

You'd probably get more responses if you posted your question as its own topic.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: trademitech on May 24, 2011, 11:26:00 PM
My wingspan is 62 inches
My height is 62 inches

I want to lengthen 4 inches. 

Making my wingspan 62 inches
and my height 66 Inches

Would this look weird? I know 4 inches isn't that big of a difference.  I'd like to hear what you guys think!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: aveena on May 27, 2011, 03:20:04 AM
Here are two famous girls from China.  Both have long legs.  What do you think of these photos? Do you think they look pretty sexy?

hxxp: www. chinasmack. com/2010/pictures/long-legged-beauty-kong-yansong-2010-beijing-auto-show-bad-skin. html

hxxp: www. chinasmack. com/2009/pictures/long-legged-beauty-kong-yansong-can-legs-be-too-long. html


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: crazy+6 on May 28, 2011, 01:14:22 AM
Here are two famous girls from China.  Both have long legs.  What do you think of these photos? Do you think they look pretty sexy?

hxxp: www. chinasmack. com/2010/pictures/long-legged-beauty-kong-yansong-2010-beijing-auto-show-bad-skin. html

hxxp: www. chinasmack. com/2009/pictures/long-legged-beauty-kong-yansong-can-legs-be-too-long. html

Absolutely sexy legs, No doubt  :) :)
 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: fivetimes on June 01, 2011, 06:11:46 PM
Those women are sexy without any shadow of a doubt.

Guys, I just wanted to make a quick observation about this whole 'proportions' section. . . .

I only ever recently started to notice proportions a few weeks ago after a I discovered that LL existed.

Before that, it never ever crossed my mind.  The only thing I ever noticed was 'oh shi*, these people are all taller than me'

I think of all the photos I've seen in this part of the forum, all of them look fine.
In my opinion, it's only because we are all on a LL forum that we pay attention.  I think the average Joe would not notice these things.

For example, that picture of the two Chinese girls standing next to each other to compare 'arm length'. . . .

I would never have noticed that one girl had shorter arms than the other, unless it was specifically pointed out to me on a LL forum and unless they were specifically made to stand next to each other in that comparative way. . .

If I was dating that girl for example (haha in my dreams) , it would never cross my mind. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Christina on June 25, 2011, 08:44:04 PM
Is it wrong that I only want to increase my tibia bones by 8 cm? Will it look awkward? I am currently 162 cm I think my tibia is slighly shorter than my femur.  Oh, and can anybody photoshop my legs to make them 8 cm longer? I don't know how to do this  ??? Thanks!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: aveena on June 26, 2011, 02:49:46 PM
Christina, not at all. I've seen a Chinese girl who did 12cm, and most people can't even tell that she had done LL on her tibia. 8cm is fine. Where are you thinking going for your LL? Good luck.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: troygage on June 29, 2011, 04:16:35 PM
Hi guys,

I have some questions about proportion and maximum lengthening and I hope someone can enlighten.

My height is 1. 69M.  My wingspan is 1. 76.

My target height is to gain 5 inches, however proportions as well as muscle recovery is a concern to me.

From what I've read about proportions, ideally, your height and wingspan should be the same.  (Leonardo's Vitruvian man)

However, would adding a total of 5 inches, making me six foot, the proportions be out of place?

Everyone in my family is very tall, my brother is 6 foot 5, my mother is 6 foot 2.  I am 5 foot 7 on a good day  :'(

So that is why I think 6 foot even is all right for me.

My question is also about muscle recovery, when studies talk about not lengthening more than 7. 5cm, is it meant lengthening in total or lengthening either the tibia or femur?

Because I am fortunate with financial stabilility, can i break apart the 12. 5 cm into to sections, meaning lengthing 6. 25 cm in tibia and 6. 25cm in femur, giving me a total of 12. 5cm?

If so, can I lengthen both tibia and femur at the same time? I plan to go to Dr.  Betz and use the french internal nail method.

Also, I was reading earlier the Dr.  Betz would do all four limb lengthing at the same time, I know it is not advisable because of the pain, but as far as the cost goes, I am ok with it.  Are there any other things to look out for?

Also, when it comes to removal of the nail after consolidation, is there a solid nail inserted in place of the ratcheting nail or not at all or depending on how much i lengthen each bone?

With regards to my health, I'm very fit, I do bikram yoga (so i stretch a lot in a very hot room) and have quit smoking two years ago since i've heard of LL ;-)



Please help me, I'm confused and would appreciate any assistance.

MMT ROCKS!



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on June 29, 2011, 04:24:49 PM
My height is 1m74 I want to get 9 cm to reach 1m83.  is it possible in term of proportion because I dont want to be short neither a freak :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on June 30, 2011, 11:18:21 AM
Troygage, it is not advisable to do both tibias and femurs at the same time. You can do one tibia and one femur with cross lengthening, but then there is no turning back if you decide that you are fine with your height after your first lengthening. It is much smarter to lengthen your femurs or tibias first, and then to go back and lengthen the other section. A number of LL Veterans on this site have done this successfully, and if you must do two bone sections, this is the way to do it. Being bed ridden with lengthening devices on both your tibias and femurs at the same time has the potential for more complications and a much longer recovery time.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on June 30, 2011, 11:21:37 AM
Shortlegs, there are many LL Veterans on this site who have done 9 CM and had it not affect their proportions. With that being said, it is important to note that everyone's body is different. The best candidate for lengthening of this degree will probably have a long torso and long arms. You should do some photo studies of your body with different lengths on your legs and see how they look. You should also take note of your sitting height and wingspan and consider them when looking at proportions.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on June 30, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
yah my wingspan is 1m82, my sitting height is 91,5cm.  my actual height is 1. 72 cm but as soon as I woke up my height got near 1m74.  So plz give me some idea for how much cm could I gain for my legs  :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: troygage on June 30, 2011, 04:05:20 PM
Quote from: SysOp link=topic=63. msg45505#msg45505 date=1309432701
Troygage, it is not advisable to do both tibias and femurs at the same time.  You can do one tibia and one femur with cross lengthening, but then there is no turning back if you decide that you are fine with your height after your first lengthening.  It is much smarter to lengthen your femurs or tibias first, and then to go back and lengthen the other section.  A number of LL Veterans on this site have done this successfully, and if you must do two bone sections, this is the way to do it.  Being bed ridden with lengthening devices on both your tibias and femurs at the same time has the potential for more complications and a much longer recovery time. 

Thank you for your reply.

Can you also help me with regards to after the nail removal?

Lets say that I lengthen femurs to 7. 5cm and I remove the nail after 2 years.  Is there a replacement solid nail that goes in permanently or not at all? Or depending on how much I lengthen will determine weather I have a solid nail?




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PerfectBreak on October 14, 2011, 08:28:17 PM
Damn - What do those of us do who have equal height and wingspan (In my case 174cm/174cm)?

I really hope we will get to hear more about arm-lenghtening soon cause lets realize it, adding substancial height; 5, 6 or 7 cm to a body with under-average length arms will look ODD and OFF.  The arms has to follow.  Damn! If anybody is in the same situation and have found solutions or considering different approaches please contact me we are in the same boat.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kamui on October 31, 2011, 11:18:41 AM
I'm not quite sure if I'm isolated here with that thought, but I always admired a body with very long legs.  Even long before knowing of LL, I had that imagine on mind.  Long legs coupled with sportiness looks extremely athletic to me.  I don't know exactly what's the average age of the people around this community here is.  But here a fact for the younger ones, which flashed through my mind.

This may be sound a bit ridiculous, but do u guys remember the Anime Dragon Ball Z? Just take a precise look to that.  If you are focus on all of the male characters and watch closely to their proportions, they all have unusual long legs. 
But back that time, when my generation was even full grown, no one had even a suspicion of that.

I know that this isn't really comparable but may be a bit interesting for some people.
The point is, just like fivetimes I also really don't believe, that ordinary people who never had made their thoughts about proportions, would ever attract attention for someone with longer legs. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Wishtobe5ft9 on November 16, 2011, 11:39:27 PM
Hey guys.   I'm 166 cm.   My wingspan is currently about 169 cm.   Yes I know I have short arms.  If I decide to lengthen 7 cm.  HOw do you guys think my proportions will be?  I would be 173 cm with 169 wingspan. 

My arms are short but they are also muscular which makes them look even shorter. 

Also, does anyone know anything about being flat footed and doing LL?   I read a diary of a LLer being flatfooted, but when I say flatfooted I mean I'm very flat footed.  The whole bottom of my foot touches the ground on every step.  ALL of it lol .  HOwever, I can dorsiflex my feet quite a bit so i dont think i have a short achillies tendon. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Amaranthe on November 29, 2011, 06:09:29 AM
Hi,

I am new here, and I have made a mock up and would like to get others' opinion of it. Anyone willing to give their opinion of it?

Please and thank you.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PerfectBreak on November 29, 2011, 06:50:19 PM
Amaranthe:

Consider posting your picture here instead. If you do I will give you my honest opinion  :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: doriangray.cz on December 03, 2011, 11:30:26 PM
Hi,

Can you please tell me what you think about my proportions and if I should do tibias or femurs? I want to add 6cms.  Honestly I think I should do femurs (as they seem short to me) but I don't have enough money and am wondering if 5-6cm on my tibias would look fine?

Height: 168cm
Wingspan: 172cm
LL: max 6cm

(http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/2025/14032011085.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Amaranthe on December 04, 2011, 05:04:48 AM
To above poster: It would help if we had an original picture to compare it to.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Amaranthe on December 04, 2011, 05:07:38 AM
Quote from: Amaranthe link=topic=63. msg49708#msg49708 date=1322975088
To above poster: It would help if we had an original picture to compare it to. 

Nevermind, I apologize.  I misread, I thought that you had posted a picture after using Photoshop to lengthen your tibias.  Hmm. .  I think 5-6 cms would look better on your femurs.  If your tibias were shorter, then I would say tibias, but they seem tall to me.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PerfectBreak on December 04, 2011, 08:28:02 AM
In my opinion you are very proportional, but if I had to choose I'd say femurs cause your a boy. Remember there's numbers available on tibia to femur ratio and also arm length to height ratio that you can use together with your mock-up to make your decision.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: doriangray.cz on December 04, 2011, 10:28:14 AM
Yes, this is original one - this is me now ;) Thank You guys VERY VERY much for your comments.  This is what I thought.  My tibias looks ok, so I guess I have to save for femurs :) Or maybe 5cms on tibias may not cause a trouble??? (but I will check all possible informations)
My sitting height is 90,5cm so I still think that my legs are short, so if I go for 6 or 7 cms on femurs I will be 3cms over my wingspan which I think should be no problem? - your opinions?.  But still considering 5 cms on tibias as a cheaper option.




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: devon on December 05, 2011, 04:14:24 AM
I think femur lengthening will suit you well!  And is it just the photo or is YOUR right femur slightly shorter than the left?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: devon on December 05, 2011, 04:34:53 AM
I think femur lengthening will suit you well!  And is it just the photo or is YOUR right femur slightly shorter than the left?

Oops, I meant YOUR left femur (= the femur on the right side of the photo).


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: doriangray.cz on December 05, 2011, 07:09:58 AM
no its not :) Its because my underwear were boxers and I rolled them up  ;D (and not the same at the both sides I guess :P  ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RZ on December 15, 2011, 10:21:57 PM
Hey guys, I'm new however I've been lurking this forum for about a year now and I feel its the right time to start posting.

I have $20,000 saved up right now and I'm hoping to do surgery on my femurs.

Looking into China, India, or Ukraine.  (I know I don't have enough money yet, but I'm working on it)

Here are my stats:

Age: 20

Height: 161cm (That 1cm f-ing counts!)

Wingspan: 169cm

Ethnicity: Pacific Islander or Asian LOL

Goal: 7cm-9cm

(http://hxxp: i1119. photobucket. com/albums/k637/RZ00/Untitled. jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RZ on December 15, 2011, 10:23:14 PM
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k637/RZ00/Untitled.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: craig49 on December 16, 2011, 07:16:40 AM
try to do a mock up of your tibias as well.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PerfectBreak on December 16, 2011, 08:24:01 AM
How much did you add there and how did you measure how much to add to the picture?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RZ on December 16, 2011, 08:36:22 AM
I stood next to an object and used it as a marker.  It's probably close to 10cm added.

I'll do a tibia mock-up as well.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Legsandme on December 21, 2011, 03:59:37 PM
I am 153 cm
Wingspan -154 cm
Sitting height - 81 cm
Legs - 72 cm

In my opinion legs are way to short (especially for a women).
But my wingspan is to small to make legs look at least equal to torso.

However, I hope, I can get some more cm of height without looking weird.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jchen87 on December 31, 2011, 10:14:52 PM
Happy new yr guys! (being in Aust, we tend to celebrate them first :D).  Anyways, just wondering if anyone can provide any suggestions on how much I can lengthen so I can get rid of my short stumpy legs look?

Male
Height 175cm
Arm span 181cm
Sitting height (on the floor) - with legs straight 93. 5cm, with legs crossed 96cm

(Not sure what is the way to correctly measure sitting height.  Will probably go and get some legs xrays to measure length of bone).  Have seen a chiropractor reviously who commented on the R leg being shorter than the L after reading the xrays - which i think does affect my running style as I tend to get more pain/soreness in the R side.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: futuretallboy on February 06, 2012, 10:57:05 PM
Hi guys,

I've been contemplating the effects of lengthened femurs lately.  I noticed that long femurs are easier for men to pull off than long tibiae.  I think it's because the hip section absorbs part of the lengthened area, hence making a lengthened femur look more natural in general.  Add to that, if you want to become even taller after femur lengthening, you could wear thick shoes which will also make your tibiae proportional to your femur!

I also saw this actor in korea who seems to have very long legs (femurs).  He's around 179-180cm, and apparently his legs make up 110cm of his whole body.  I'm not saying he had leg lengthening, it's just that it seems that his tibiae are short relative to his femurs.

Here's a video of him on youtube, he's the first person that appears on this coke vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcK5jiF1534

check out his sitting height as well (he's the one in the lower middle, and the two guys sitting beside him are just a few inches taller standing up):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY6WmjqwtDA

Sysop, what do you think? Also, could you tag Apotheosis or Andrewshizzles to this post? Having been femur LLers themselves, I'm sure they could say a thing or two about this.  If this post could cause some issues with the actor, feel free to remove this or make it private.

Cheers!

futuretallboy







Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littleangel on February 15, 2012, 05:07:58 PM
(http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj495/littleangel52/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-04-560x840.jpg)
Look at these girls.No LL done,just natural long legs,and the torso is soooo smal:)
But....do they look great or what? ;D
LOVE IT!!!!!!
God help me look like that one day. :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: navlo on February 15, 2012, 05:25:57 PM
Quote
No LL done,just natural long legs

how can you be sure about that?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: craig49 on February 15, 2012, 05:48:46 PM
how can you be sure about that?

For one thing, there is no visible scars.  Also, the structure of their body and arms match their lower limbs, I am not talking about the length or wingspan but the actual structure and muscle shape of their upper half and lower half. 
In my opinion, that is the one thing that one can notice after Lengthening, the shape of the body's muscles and structure of the top half do not really match the lower (lengthened segments).  I am not saying that is good or bad, just a cause of the lengthening. 
I myself look like Avatar when I am naked, not that that is bad, just a fact, I do look like avatar when I am naked.

That being said, those girls look fantastic and I think with about 20lbs more , they would look really stunning.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littleangel on February 15, 2012, 06:05:55 PM
They are two models from China,sisters,very famous, and they are 175 cm and 178 cm.
You can see the long arms,and I saw other pictures with them and yep,no scars at all.But it's easy to see that they are natural tall. The only strange thing about them is the small torso,but it looks ok.:)
I wanted to point that even with such long legs and small torso a gril can look great.One of the ,models has 117 cm of legs.
You can imagine that none of us from LL will have that length on our legs,even if we do a maximum of 16 cm (8 T/ 8 F-that is the safe maximum LL  you can have),so therefor me and other LL girls we'll look ok:)
PS:personaly I woudn't mind  117 cm on my legs :D but maybe in another life  :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: andrewshizzles on February 16, 2012, 10:57:34 AM
littleangel, I think that photo you posted might've made their legs look longer than they are... (although they still are very very long)

Kong Yansong 178cm, and her sister, Kong Yaozhu 175cm,
(http://www.chinese-tools.com/jdd/public/documents/cc/olive/20100401-kongjiemei.7.jpg)

(http://www.chinese-tools.com/jdd/public/documents/cc/olive/20100401-kongjiemei.2b.jpg)

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-06-560x373.jpg)

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-01-560x371.jpg)

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-05-560x841.jpg)

Longest legs I've ever seen on Asian girls.

I actually was very jealous.. O__O ". . . (damn those girls were born with those legs! and I had to break mine and stretch them..)
 

Until I found that
They actually look like this w/o Photoshop.

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-bad-skin-01.jpg)

Balance in the universe!

But still; those are some real crazy killer legs.
If you come to Singapore you can see that 80% of young girls are under 170cm with short stumpy legs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Jonte on February 16, 2012, 03:07:27 PM
Those chinese girls are damn beautiful but in my opinion their legs are a tad to long  :-\


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Body Builder on February 16, 2012, 06:40:57 PM
littleangel, I think that photo you posted might've made their legs look longer than they are... (although they still are very very long)

Kong Yansong 178cm, and her sister, Kong Yaozhu 175cm,
(http://www.chinese-tools.com/jdd/public/documents/cc/olive/20100401-kongjiemei.7.jpg)

(http://www.chinese-tools.com/jdd/public/documents/cc/olive/20100401-kongjiemei.2b.jpg)

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-06-560x373.jpg)

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-01-560x371.jpg)

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-kong-yaozhu-05-560x841.jpg)

Longest legs I've ever seen on Asian girls.

I actually was very jealous.. O__O ". . . (damn those girls were born with those legs! and I had to break mine and stretch them..)
 

Until I found that
They actually look like this w/o Photoshop.

(http://img.chinasmack.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/kong-yansong-bad-skin-01.jpg)

Balance in the universe!

But still; those are some real crazy killer legs.
If you come to Singapore you can see that 80% of young girls are under 170cm with short stumpy legs.

I don't know about Singapore, but in Thailand 90% of the girls are at max 1.60 and the majority is even less than 1.55.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littleangel on February 17, 2012, 08:25:10 AM
Those chinese girls are damn beautiful but in my opinion their legs are a tad to long  :-\
I have never heard a man said that :D
All men I know love long legs on girls,the longer the better. ;D
Asian girls are avreage hight -160 cm.Most are shorter than that,and some are taller.
Avreage hight in my east European country is 163-165 cm.
One thing I regret ..that I am short,but my legs are long..I wish they were short and stumpy,because with LL I could get much more hight,and look great.
But...as my legs are already long,I won't be able to get  the cm/inch I want and look ok.  :-\
I will do less,and I have to settle with what I'll get.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Body Builder on February 17, 2012, 01:02:32 PM
I have never heard a man said that :D
All men I know love long legs on girls,the longer the better. ;D
Asian girls are avreage hight -160 cm.Most are shorter than that,and some are taller.
Avreage hight in my east European country is 163-165 cm.
One thing I regret ..that I am short,but my legs are long..I wish they were short and stumpy,because with LL I could get much more hight,and look great.
But...as my legs are already long,I won't be able to get  the cm/inch I want and look ok.  :-\
I will do less,and I have to settle with what I'll get.
We like girls with long legs, but up to a limit.
After that, these girls look disproportional and proportions is a major fact for women's attractiveness.

These 2 girls legs are too much for me.
I'd easily prefer them if they had 6cm+ shorter legs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: justdoit on February 23, 2012, 12:23:17 AM
Hey!
I'm considering doing LL but still not sure if I should lengthen my Tibias or Femurs.  I'm a 166cm male.  I wish to gain 7-8 cm on either tibias or femurs.  Here are some mock-ups of a 7. 5 cm gain on my femurs and tibias. I would like to hear your opinions about what you think I should do, as I've only got the money to do either tibias or femurs.
Thanks a lot !!!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: justdoit on February 23, 2012, 12:25:21 AM
(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u407/justdoit88/BlackDSCF0704.jpg)

(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u407/justdoit88/BlackDSCF07042.jpg)

(http://i1066.photobucket.com/albums/u407/justdoit88/BlackHeight.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on February 23, 2012, 12:43:01 AM
Your legs look much better with the femurs lengthened.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 7703160 on February 23, 2012, 07:55:35 AM
Quote from: SysOp link=topic=63. msg52920#msg52920 date=1329957781
Your legs look much better with the femurs lengthened. 
agreed+


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 7703160 on February 23, 2012, 08:58:13 AM
(http://hxxp: www. arnoldheight. com/articles/arnoldleglength. jpg)

hxxp: www. arnoldheight. com/article6. html

 ??? ;D :o


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: GoldenAngel on February 28, 2012, 02:54:12 AM
Hi, i am around 153cm (i think) and have a wingspan of 155cm. I am 13 (14 in march :D ) but never mind my age lets focus on this. I really want to add from 20 cm - 24cm. Two surgeries done in China with Dr. Xia (so yes i can do them but please don't focus on this either). I know my arms will be crazy out of proportion but what if i also did an arm lengthening surgery (the increase would be equivalent to the femur) would i really look so alien like???



(NOTE: i have a legs to torso ratio of 1 (legs and torso same length) so if i did do the surgery my ratio would be 1.35 (legs 1.35 times longer than torso) which is considered ideal and is seen with Jennifer Lopez so leg to torso ratio is good since i am a woman and its better to have long legs...) 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Arche on February 28, 2012, 05:00:54 AM
Hey Golden Angel, most girls keep growing until they're 16 or 18, so I think you should stop worrying about your height and improve yourself, namely by doing well in school. Also, while lengthening itself is easier for women than for men, adding 20 cm split between your femurs and tibias is very unrealistic. Apotheosis is doing something like 15 or 16 cm total and his arms look a little short. Anyways, if by the time you're 18 and decide you still want the surgery doing 5 cm split evenly between the femurs and tibias will give you a 4 inch increase in height, which is plenty! If you don't believe me, just stand on top of books that are piled 4 inches in height. The difference is amazing.

Good luck, and stop worrying.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Joe2000 on February 28, 2012, 05:14:57 PM
girl grow up till first period after that heigh valocity rapidly slowing down.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kaizen on March 01, 2012, 04:48:22 AM
Hey Guys long time lurker here, was wondering if I could get some opinions on mock ups.  I'm 5'4 (yeah it sucks!) size and arm-span are identical.  Seems to me like I have a decent size torso with short legs.  Would love to be able to gain 5 inches to put me at a solid 5'9.  After college I would plan on splitting 5 inches into 2 surgeries, +3 on femurs and +2 Tibia.  The 5'9 mock up proportions look good to me, but I'm also bias lol hard to tell.

(http://hxxp: i1074. photobucket. com/albums/w412/Kaizen_13/LegLengthening-F-Comparefaceblock. jpg)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kaizen on March 01, 2012, 04:50:26 AM
hmm picture didn't show up, here's a direct link.

(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w412/Kaizen_13/LegLengthening-F-Comparefaceblock.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Arche on March 01, 2012, 05:05:46 AM
You look like you're walking on stilts after gaining 5 inches!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kaizen on March 01, 2012, 05:34:37 AM
Haha too much? Maybe 4 inches would be more realistic. . . . going from that short zone to average would be amazing though.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: craig49 on March 01, 2012, 07:57:51 AM
can you try to do a mock up with 2 inches on femur and 2 inches on tibia?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shoryuken on March 01, 2012, 10:17:10 AM
Haha too much? Maybe 4 inches would be more realistic. . . . going from that short zone to average would be amazing though.

5'8" would be fine, im sure you would rather be a normal looking 5'8" then a out of proportion 5'9"


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 7703160 on March 01, 2012, 10:48:55 AM
Quote from: GoldenAngel link=topic=63. msg53245#msg53245 date=1330397652
Hi, i am around 153cm (i think) and have a wingspan of 155cm.  I am 13 (14 in march :D ) but never mind my age lets focus on this.  I really want to add from 20 cm - 24cm.  Two surgeries done in China with Dr.  Xia (so yes i can do them but please don't focus on this either).  I know my arms will be crazy out of proportion but what if i also did an arm lengthening surgery (the increase would be equivalent to the femur) would i really look so alien like???



(NOTE: i have a legs to torso ratio of 1 (legs and torso same length) so if i did do the surgery my ratio would be 1. 35 (legs 1. 35 times longer than torso) which is considered ideal and is seen with Jennifer Lopez so leg to torso ratio is good since i am a woman and its better to have long legs. . . ) 

20 cm gain!
hxxp: www. prof-betz. de/presse/welt_am_wochenende_15_juni_08. pdf


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Temoc on March 01, 2012, 01:22:16 PM
Hi, i am around 153cm (i think) and have a wingspan of 155cm. I am 13 (14 in march :D ) but never mind my age lets focus on this. I really want to add from 20 cm - 24cm. Two surgeries done in China with Dr. Xia (so yes i can do them but please don't focus on this either). I know my arms will be crazy out of proportion but what if i also did an arm lengthening surgery (the increase would be equivalent to the femur) would i really look so alien like???



(NOTE: i have a legs to torso ratio of 1 (legs and torso same length) so if i did do the surgery my ratio would be 1.35 (legs 1.35 times longer than torso) which is considered ideal and is seen with Jennifer Lopez so leg to torso ratio is good since i am a woman and its better to have long legs...) 

1-Short girls are beautiful
2-Check your bone age, maybe you could try something like HGH if your bone plates didn't fuse yet.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on March 12, 2012, 04:52:17 PM
Hey guys, I recently found this forum and have been a member for about a week or so.  It is very inspirational to hear all of the stories of how people accomplished their goal height and are living more fulfilling lives, which is exactly what I aspire to do.  I am 171cm and I want to get to 180cm.  I think that it would turn my life around.  I am not only doing it just for women or what other people think of me but mostly for me.  I was to feel myself that I am average.  I am tired of feeling inferior to taller people and knowing that it is the first thing people will judge me for. 

I just wanted to ask you guys, what do you recommend I lengthen once I get the money saved up.  I am planning on 5cm in femurs and 5cm on tibia's for a total of 4 inches. 

(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/hTr0w. jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on March 12, 2012, 04:57:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hTr0w.jpg)

here is a picture of me.  


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on March 12, 2012, 05:55:47 PM
Looking at your proportions, you have short legs compared with your torso. . .  proportions will not be an issue for you.  Going with your plan seems very correct.  lengthening two sections at a slower rate and amount will be smarter with fewer complications and faster and fuller recovery (Read TAlls' diary to find out about going too far too fast.  I am doing two sections (April 2013) at 7cm femur and 5. 5 tib.  according to all the diaries here, you should start strengthening and stretching now to make the procedure go smoothly and lessen pain and recovery time

Proportions are over thought anyway. . .  you would have to lengthen a whole lot to throw your proportions off so much (aesthetically anyway).  You do have to watch proportions from a geometric standpoint however.  Lengthening too much on one bone could throw the fulcrum of your leg design out and cause stress on other parts that were not meant to be.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Arche on March 12, 2012, 06:27:25 PM
I would say you could do 4 inches (5 cm on tibias and 5 cm on femurs) and still look within proportion and be happy. I think you might even risk doing 6 cm on both your tibias and femurs and look even better and taller! Good luck!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PerfectBreak on March 12, 2012, 06:49:12 PM
MyRedemption123: Very ideal proportions for an LL patient. You also look like you have long arms... Whats your wingspan?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on March 12, 2012, 07:20:03 PM
Thanks for the feedback guys.  I thought that theoretically it would be possible to do even more and try for 6 or maybe even 7cm for instead of 5 for both but despite proportions being the only issue, there is also recovery time and I would imagine every cm increases the costs.  Also, the less you lengthen = less risks (even though there are other variables too i. e.  what device you use + what doctor).  So 4 inches and going from about 5'7 to 5'11 will be just fine for me.  My dad is 5'11, well 5'10 now due to age, and being able to stand pretty much eye to eye to him will greatly boost my confidence.

It isn't really an issue for me about wanting to be tall, just NOT wanting to be short.  I really admire Apotheosis's journey with LL though, it takes a lot of determination to stick in there for as much as he has lengthened.

And I have been stretching for a few weeks now.  I am not the the most flexible person in the world but I have been improving.  By the time I actually have enough money saved up though I think I'll be limber and ready to go seeing as how it should be a long time in the future.

@PerfectBreak - My wingspan is about 177cm.  So 7cm more than my height.  Lengthening 3cm over my height though I think won't be too noticeable.  Hopefully not.





Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 23, 2012, 04:37:49 PM
Hey Guys!
Im new to this forum and really glad that I found plenty of useful information about LL.  
I am also thinking about undergoing LL since I discovered the possibility of internal rod lengthening.
I am a 22 year old German who is 1,72 / 5'8'' tall.  I always suffered from my height and never felt comfortable with it.  Next to the height, the proportions also do not look nice in my opinion.
When I measured myself, I found out that my lower leg is about 7 cm shorter than my upper leg!
That's why I consider having internal bilateral TIBIA lengthening done.  After checking my proportions, adding 8 cm to my TIBIA seems to me like the way it is actually supposed to look like.  Then I would have a nearly 50:50 upper leg to lower leg ratio, which I think is the ideal proportion.  So I did a mock up and would like you to comment on this.  Do you think it looks good proportioned and suits my upper body.  And I do you really think +8 cm on tibia is achievable without any higher risk? Because as far as I found out the maximum of
'recommended' lengthening is 5-7cm and I really would like to be at least 1,80 m / 5'11 .  But I only want to have one surgery done ( I mean just tibias NOT femurs) because of money and the healthy risk.  I am expecting like spending 3 1/2 months lengthening and about another 4 months 'recover' am I right or is my conception not realistic?I tried to add the photo via a link so I hope it works.
I'm looking forward hearing your opinions!
Cheers,
Francisco

Photo:

(http://i.imgur.com/5bR98.jpg)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on March 23, 2012, 05:18:45 PM
Francisco. I think 8 cm is a bit much for your tibiae. They consolidate slower and have more risks at that level (consolidation, B.F., knee bend, etc.). If you have your head set on 8 cm however, your femurs would be a better idea. they can lengthen more because of faster consolidation and the such (read more diaries and you will know the specifics of what I am talking about. Just distract at a slower rate (.67 - .75mm per day) and you should be able to reach your goal. Talk with your doctor though and see what he recommends since every body is different. But you really should start training now for it (stretching, etc.) to get yourself physically and mentally ready, and definitely read all the diaries on here, they will yield invaluable advice.

Latah.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 23, 2012, 06:14:45 PM
Thanks Latah for your fast reply!
I already read all patients' diaries, but unfortunately there are not much information about internal tibia nail!
Most of them are external but that is a no go for me.  I think lengthening my femur would cause an unnatural appearance because it would make the lower leg even look more smaller.  So is there a big difference between 7. 5 cm and 8 cm lengthening, because I read some lines that set lengthening to the level of 5-7. 5 cm. 
And how much training and stretching would you recommend before surgery?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on March 23, 2012, 07:21:21 PM
Hey Guys!
Im new to this forum and really glad that I found plenty of useful information about LL.   
I am also thinking about undergoing LL since I discovered the possibility of internal rod lengthening.
I am a 22 year old German who is 1,72 / 5'8'' tall.  I always suffered from my height and never felt comfortable with it.  Next to the height, the proportions also do not look nice in my opinion.
When I measured myself, I found out that my lower leg is about 7 cm shorter than my upper leg!
That's why I consider having internal bilateral TIBIA lengthening done.  After checking my proportions, adding 8 cm to my TIBIA seems to me like the way it is actually supposed to look like.  Then I would have a nearly 50:50 upper leg to lower leg ratio, which I think is the ideal proportion.  So I did a mock up and would like you to comment on this.  Do you think it looks good proportioned and suits my upper body.  And I do you really think +8 cm on tibia is achievable without any higher risk? Because as far as I found out the maximum of
'recommended' lengthening is 5-7cm and I really would like to be at least 1,80 m / 5'11 .  But I only want to have one surgery done ( I mean just tibias NOT femurs) because of money and the healthy risk.  I am expecting like spending 3 1/2 months lengthening and about another 4 months 'recover' am I right or is my conception not realistic?I tried to add the photo via a link so I hope it works.
I'm looking forward hearing your opinions!
Cheers,
Francisco

Photo:

(http://i.imgur.com/5bR98.jpg)



Well you are the first German I have ever seen with the name Francisco Lol. Anyways, lengthening your tibias only kind of makes you tibias look "longer" than your femurs in the mock up you did. Theoretically it is possible to lengthen 8cm but every cm after 5-6 is out of the safe zone of lengthening and you should expect to have more complications. Although you have to take into account your own health and doctor into account to when it comes to how well you would be able to recover. Lengthening to much in one section can lead to a longer recovery time and a smaller chance that you will be able to get your flexibility back to 100%.

Apotheosis has a diary of his internal tibias. You can see that right here http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,4202.0.html

Also you can read the diary of Tall here http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,4202.0.html

He describes how from a geometric standpoint, lengthening too much in one section can cause the fulcrum of your leg to get out of whack because of the discrepancy. Although he lengthened  femurs first so that might have something to do with it.

But remember, not only do you not want to have weird looking proportions which isn't even "that" big of a deal. You want to be able to recover 100%. And lengthening less in two sections would be what I personally would recommend because of how easy it would be to recover and the fact that you would be able to have normal limb proportions like before.

Just my advice. I am not trying to discourage you at all, just giving you all the aspects of the situation. On the upside, Apotheosis has lengthened 8cm on his tibias so far with little complications so that just goes to show you that it is possible.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 24, 2012, 01:23:36 PM
Well Francisco is just the nickname I choose :D
But actually there are some Franciscos and even some San Diegos! :D
Thanks for the advice, and I am happy to here other's opinion, because that's why I am here for.
I already studied Apotheoses diary.  And this is really a good source of information, because he did 8cm on his tibia so far and is doing it in Germany with Dr.  Betz and also want to achieve an 8 cm tibia lengthening with Betz.  But I was wondering if I could get more information about tibial lengthening in the area of 8 cm and especially from those who had this done longer than a year ago.  Because I doubt that you are able to say for sure a real 100% recovery actually is possible ( if you go that high) before at least one-year post lengthening, please correct me if I'm wrong! And Apotheosis is still in lengthening process or at the end of it.  But can you really say that early if there are com



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 24, 2012, 01:27:39 PM
Well Francisco is just the nickname I choose :D
But actually there are some Franciscos and even some San Diegos! :D
Thanks for the advice, and I am happy to here other's opinion, because that's why I am here for. 
I already studied Apotheoses diary.   And this is really a good source of information, because he did 8cm on his tibia so far and is doing it in Germany with Dr.   Betz and also want to achieve an 8 cm tibia lengthening with Betz.   But I was wondering if I could get more information about tibial lengthening in the area of 8 cm and especially from those who had this done longer than a year ago.   Because I doubt that you are able to say for sure a real 100% recovery actually is possible ( if you go that high) before at least one-year post lengthening, please correct me if I'm wrong! And Apotheosis is still in lengthening process or at the end of it.   But can you really say that early wether if there are irreparable damages or not? Or can you even judge during lengthening if you can go higher with 8 cm without damages to expect?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Dookieman on March 24, 2012, 02:46:04 PM
Hey Francisco welcome to the forum. The best thing for you to do would be to have a consultation and talk to current and former patients. Although MMT has a lot of diaries, there are many members who are lengthening or have lengthened but have not written one.  If you go for a consultation you can see and talk to patients face-to-face. Hope that helps.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Transformer on March 24, 2012, 02:53:14 PM
I think 8cm looks fine, it doesn't look way out proportion.  I'm also thinking about doing 8cm in my tibias.  My current height is 171. 5 cm and I plan on doing just one LL.  My goal is to be between 5'10-5'11.  And it shouldn't look out of proportion, I have long arms and torso.  Now what you don't want to do, if your gonna do only one LL, is to do 8cm of femur cuz then your legs will look ridiculous.  Longer tibias look better, than long femurs with short tibias.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 24, 2012, 06:10:33 PM
Thanks Guys!
Considering8 nice to hear you've got the same goal like me.  Which doctor would you go do and why?
I know, that's why I said I only want to to my tibia and NOT the femur, because my upper leg is right now 7 cm larger than my upper leg: femur lengthening would look ridiculous in my case then.  And tibia would be the only and best option, so I am at aiming at least 7 cm increase on tibiae and my upper and lower leg would be in perfect ratio 50% to 50% .  And in my opinion you can see my current 'disproportion', the lower leg is very short don't you think do guys?
And I quite like the mock-up it I think it looks like it actually has supposed to be proportionally.  What do you Guys think, does look natural and good?
Cheers
Francisco


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Transformer on March 24, 2012, 06:50:20 PM
After doing many hours of research on this site and others, I've come to the conclusion to do my tibias in Beijing because they are the specialists in tibias.  My original choice would be to do it in the US and be closer to home but there is only a couple of doctors that perform LL and they have a 6cm limit, I believe.  Germany and France looked interesting for doing femurs, but my goal is tibias.  And so thats why I've chosen Beijing, which has a good track record with tibias.  I've started training at the gym, to be fit and flexible as possible in my legs muscles and tendons, which should help with the distraction and recovery.  I will be beijing this coming fall.  The only other thing I want to find out more about is the "S" Cut and "Double" Cut performed in Beijing.  The pros of the double cut is you can lengthen faster but risk consoldiation and I don't have much information regarding the S cut and how it fares when it comes to distraction and consolidation.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Dookieman on March 25, 2012, 01:52:45 AM
Francisco- The diaries are a guide but one shouldn't base their decision solely on them. Again visit the places, interview patients and doctors and so who you feel most comfortable with. Everyone is different and this is a huge surgery.  ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 25, 2012, 09:37:18 AM
I am aware that this is a big operation/procedure with many risks.
But a quote that I read especially several times in this forum is: I wish I would have done lengthening earlier in my life.
And that's what really convinced me to do right now! I am young able to take a year off and living in Germany (close to the doctor I choose anyways Dr. Betz).  So everything seems good except the peocedure's fees.  I am a student, means I do not have any big savings.  But the internal tibia procedure will cost about 60. 000 ( the living and theraphy costs during your stay not even included!).  So is gonna be quite a lot of money to pay. 
I an planning to talk with parents about it this week because only I only could afford surgery with a loan and I would not get the loan without my parents bailing for me!
But I am 100% sure I want to do this surgery, after having thinking about 2 years now.  Because I know if I won't do this step, I will always gonna ask my self how life could have been and that's really frustrating and can really limit the quality of life.  So how do/ did you guys afford the whole lengthening procedure?
And could you please comment on my photo that I posted earlier.  Do you see my current 'disproportion' (long upper leg- short lower leg)? And what do you think how does my muck-up with +8cm look?



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on March 25, 2012, 10:44:48 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hTr0w.jpg)

here is a picture of me.  
I envy you a lot! :P you have really good proportions for LL... i think that you wouldn't look weird if you get 5cm+5cm


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on March 25, 2012, 10:51:57 AM

@PerfectBreak - My wingspan is about 177cm.  So 7cm more than my height.  Lengthening 3cm over my height though I think won't be too noticeable.  Hopefully not.


I was born with a natural -4/-2 wingspan (yes, i'm fucked for LL), and i can tell you that NOBODY would never notice this. I have even ask to my friends "hey, do you think i have short arms?" and they looked at my and said something like "ehhhh no bro, why are you asking that shi*?"


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Francisco on March 25, 2012, 01:15:58 PM
Hey SpaniardManlet!
And what do you think of my proportional?
Would like to at 8 cm to tibia.  What so you think of it?

(http://i.imgur.com/5bR98.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SpaniardManlet on March 25, 2012, 02:16:11 PM
Hi francisco sorry for not commeting your pic before, i didn't have time  :)

Im my opinion it looks good, i think that proportions femur/tibia looks odd whem the femur is much much longer than tibia because the knee is too low, but i consider long tibias as a beauty sign, specially for girls, but also for men...

I haven't done LL yet, but i have been reading a lot of diaries these months and i would recommend you to think about doing 7,5 instead of 8, it seems like after 7,5 risks increase exponentially. But as i said i haven't done LL yet, so is just my little advice  :)

If you are 172cm now, with +7cm LL you'd stay at 179 with is a really great height, and i think that is a much safer amount of lengthening. I remember that people was freaking tall in germany whem i went, but with 179cm you'll look average for sure, and slightly tall in other european countries like mine  :D



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Circus Boy on March 29, 2012, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: Kaizen link=topic=63. msg53362#msg53362 date=1330577426
hmm picture didn't show up, here's a direct link. 

(http://hxxp: i1074. photobucket. com/albums/w412/Kaizen_13/LegLengthening-F-Comparefaceblock. jpg)

Hey Kaizen,
 Go for 5'9, We are all here seeing you under a fine microscope.  With clothes on (Esp with some baggy jeans hanging low) you will look GREAT.  GO for IT.  All the way!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kaizen on March 30, 2012, 12:36:57 AM
Thanks circus boy, yeah I have definitely settled on going for 5'9.  Have done some revised mock ups with +6 femurs and +6 tibias underwear and clothed and honestly I think I will look awesome :).  The thought of looking back one day standing at around 5'10-5'11 with shoes on keeps me motivated.  I'm already naturally flexible (can do splits) and have been stretching and working out everyday for the past 2 months.  2-3 more months of training and saving money and I hope to set off this crazy journey haha.  I'm at a point in my life where I'm recently single and don't have any commitments. . . it's now or never.   8)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on March 30, 2012, 12:48:11 AM
Excellent mindset kaisen. Train now and get strong and flexible... you will be able to go longer, with less discomfort and less  complications... now or never dude. go for it!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 01, 2012, 05:08:42 AM
Hey guys, I created a new mock up of me with added lengthening on my femurs and tibias.

Here is the the before pic of me again. (unedited)

http://www.i.imgur.com/4MdiJ.jpg

Here is me with 6cm added on my tibiae and femurs. Making me about 6'0 or to be exact "5'11.7" foot tall.

http://i.imgur.com/4MdiJ.jpg

What do you guys think?

(I don't remember how to make the picture appear so I just put the hyperlink, if you see this SysOp then maybe you can help me on that).


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 01, 2012, 05:11:36 AM
Sorry guys both of those are the after pic. Here is the before one.

http://www.i.imgur.com/JfFy0.jpg


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on April 01, 2012, 05:14:02 AM
Hey guys, I created a new mock up of me with added lengthening on my femurs and tibias.

Here is the the before pic of me again. (unedited)

http://www.i.imgur.com/4MdiJ.jpg

Here is me with 6cm added on my tibiae and femurs. Making me about 6'0 or to be exact "5'11.7" foot tall.

http://i.imgur.com/4MdiJ.jpg

What do you guys think?

(I don't remember how to make the picture appear so I just put the hyperlink, if you see this SysOp then maybe you can help me on that).
2 pictures look like the same to me =.=


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on April 01, 2012, 05:17:30 AM
Sorry guys both of those are the after pic. Here is the before one.

http://www.i.imgur.com/JfFy0.jpg
Very nice proportion :) You only need to work out on your upper body and I think you will look very handsome. Congrats!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 01, 2012, 05:21:08 AM
(http://wwwi.imgur.com/0WO2l.jpg)

Here is hopefully a better representation.

Image on left is before pic.

Image on right is 6cm added to femurs and tibias.

Left pic: 5'7 Right Pic: About 6'0 or 5'11.7



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 01, 2012, 05:24:27 AM
Thanks Shortlegs!  ;D

If anybody would like me to make them a mock up of them with their legs lengthened just send me a pm with the pic.

It takes a couple minutes to make.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on April 01, 2012, 05:31:01 AM
(http://wwwi.imgur.com/0WO2l.jpg)

Here is hopefully a better representation.

Image on left is before pic.

Image on right is 6cm added to femurs and tibias.

Left pic: 5'7 Right Pic: About 6'0 or 5'11.7


Hey Redemption,
We share the same initial height, may I ask for your stats? you have a pretty long arms, add some muscles to it, it will look even better.
In my opinion, the only problem that both me and you have is that our upper bodies become kinda small after adding that much height :( I think body building will solve this problem, dont you think?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 01, 2012, 05:59:30 AM
Well I just measure my wingspan and it is 178cm so that is 5'10.

I think that I might even lengthen just to 5'11 so I will only lengthen an inch over my wingspan and give me some of my proportion back.

My sitting height is 95cm and I weigh 155 pounds.

Yes the upper bodies may appear small in a mock up but in reality I don't think it will be too noticeable once you add some muscle as you suggested and also add muscle to your legs.

(http://www.i.imgur.com/HFswp.jpg)

Here is an image with the left pic being me after adding about 5 inches to my skinny lanky body. lol The right is me if I would add some muscle mass to my legs and arms with broader shoulders. As you can see, working out will make you look more proportional even though if you don't work out, nobody will really notice your discrepancy anyways without measuring you with a ruler. Either way some people have naturally small upper body so you can just say it is natural. There really is no standard for limbs comparing to other parts of the body.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on April 01, 2012, 06:21:46 AM
Well I just measure my wingspan and it is 178cm so that is 5'10.

I think that I might even lengthen just to 5'11 so I will only lengthen an inch over my wingspan and give me some of my proportion back.

My sitting height is 95cm and I weigh 155 pounds.

Yes the upper bodies may appear small in a mock up but in reality I don't think it will be too noticeable once you add some muscle as you suggested and also add muscle to your legs.

(http://www.i.imgur.com/HFswp.jpg)

Here is an image with the left pic being me after adding about 5 inches to my skinny lanky body. lol The right is me if I would add some muscle mass to my legs and arms with broader shoulders. As you can see, working out will make you look more proportional even though if you don't work out, nobody will really notice your discrepancy anyways without measuring you with a ruler. Either way some people have naturally small upper body so you can just say it is natural. There really is no standard for limbs comparing to other parts of the body.
Nice!  You have a really good sitting height. Adding those muscles to your body make you look completely like a normal big tall guy, hopefully it will be like that in the reality :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kaizen on April 01, 2012, 02:19:24 PM
Looks great redemption, very natural. You def "lucked out" with that 5'7 LL body that is a good candidate. Go for it! I'm also planing on 2 6 cm  surgeries, but starting at 163.56 cm.  >:(


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 01, 2012, 02:34:42 PM
I don't think I lucked out too much, if I was really lucky I wouldn't have been short to begin with!  :D

Although I was on the tall side in 8th grade and beginning of high school but I stopped growing!  :(

I didn't even reach my max potential height which is 5'8 =.=

Although I remember being short as a kid so I honestly think I just go an early growth spurt. I mean, I grew like 4 inches when I was 12. Most people I know go their growth spurts at a year or two later than that. Sometimes even at 15 or 16.

And actually Kaizen, I would say you can even try 7cm on femurs and tibias, the cost is pretty much the same and the risk for complications aren't too high as many have done 7cm on femurs or tibs before.

That would take you to about 178cm which is 5'10!

If you want you can pm me a pick of you and I can make a mock up of you with 14cm added to your height. It a good example to get an idea of how you will look like.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Kaizen on April 01, 2012, 03:18:51 PM
Well "luckier" than me haha, but yeah real luck would be if we both would have reached a natural 6 ft! I have done my own mock ups and I'm pretty comfortable with a +12 cm gain across 2 surgeries. I want make sure that I truly recover 100% so 6 cm a section is a safe limit for me I guess. I try not to worry too much about proportions, but honestly I'm not sure my 5'4 frame can take anymore than +12 cm gain.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jd641 on April 19, 2012, 02:25:43 PM
Warning: the following is not for those who care less about proportions and numbers.

If you trust nature's standards with the help of Fibonacci and Da Vinci, 81.3/0.43 means you could be 189 cm without people taking a second glance at your proportions (except sometimes your height!).  Also, @ 81.3 cm, your shoulders probably have decent breadth as well since your overall wingspan is 185. 

The only thing is your upper torso length from hips up.  Unless you have a smaller head (meaning more of the length is in your torso), your upper body may become mini and non-dominant if you lengthen your legs---especially your femurs---too much.  The best way for (maximum LL) ideal leg proportions (based on biophysics) is to have your knees fold flush to your shoulder level and your heels rest flush to your tailbone.  The woman below has those proportions if her heels were tilted back.

(http://www.prevention.com/pvnstatic-assets/images/2008/November/Fitness/200x200/200x200-childs_pose-200x200_childs_pose.jpg)
Yikes, my sitting height is around 84 - 85cm (2'9" - 2'9.5") yet my legs seem to be way to small for my upper body. I did the same pose the woman in the image is doing and my knees barely pass the mid part of my pectorals. I measured my right foot to the top of my knee bent on a 90 angle and came up with exactly 18" which is around 45.7cm. I always thought that all the super excessive days at the dojo made my legs hurt but maybe my legs never grew right and it's not from martial arts.

I've been meaning to go see a bone specialist again about the aches but the last time I went, they took an xray of my right hip joint and didn't find anything wrong and I'm not to keen on more radiation in that area. :p


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: GoldenAngel on April 20, 2012, 04:41:34 AM
20 cm gain!
hxxp: www. prof-betz. de/presse/welt_am_wochenende_15_juni_08. pdf

OMG THANK YOU EVERYONE ELSE HAS CALLED ME CRAZY! :)
Im glad to see that i wont the the "first" to pioneer in the 20cm

I was also wondering to anyone else if they could help me get a mock up of my legs after the surgury? (Note: I would be with a bikini bottom or shorts)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 20, 2012, 07:48:52 AM
OMG THANK YOU EVERYONE ELSE HAS CALLED ME CRAZY! :)
Im glad to see that i wont the the "first" to pioneer in the 20cm


I was also wondering to anyone else if they could help me get a mock up of my legs after the surgury? (Note: I would be with a bikini bottom or shorts)

If you PM the pic I can easily do a mockup for you. Make sure to blur your face if you want to stay anonymous.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Dookieman on April 21, 2012, 02:23:59 AM
GoldenAngel please understand that 20cm is CRAZY!!! However, if you can pull it off so be it. I am neither the LL police nor a dream killer so if your body will allow you to it I'll be cautiously rooting for your progress and health!  :) :) :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on April 21, 2012, 04:51:18 AM
Yeah Dook is right.... no one on here should be LL police or dream killer but there is a lot of collective knowledge and experience on this forum and experience is the best teacher... but it does not necessarily have to be YOUR experience...

Good luck Angel.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Redemption on April 21, 2012, 11:11:39 AM
I do agree that 20cm is a little bit crazy. Perhaps 15cm is what you should go for GoldenAngel? You really don't want to risk your overall health and flexibility.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: pattymatty on April 22, 2012, 06:52:24 AM
I was browsing yahoo news and I can't help but share this picture here since our topic is proportions. Victoria Beckham and an Asian stewardess are sitting together and it looks like they have the same torso length/sitting height but the stewardess' arms are noticeably shorter than Victoria's.

(http://alturl.com/4g5gu)

Reminds me of that picture of Dong Mei where she's standing next to a girl the same height but Dong Mei's arms are considerably shorter. As we all know, it happens in nature so there's really no need for AL after lengthening beyond one's wingspan unless the individual really wants to.

Yeah Dook is right.... no one on here should be LL police or dream killer but there is a lot of collective knowledge and experience on this forum and experience is the best teacher... but it does not necessarily have to be YOUR experience...

As always I agree with 6ftby2014, we can only share our experiences, advice, opinion, etc. It is really up to the individual what he/she wants to do.

I can't say if GoldenAngel already stopped growing, but I do believe my legs stopped growing at an early age. My torso did continue lengthening as well as my arms so even if I lengthen my tibiae 3" I would look proportional and that would make me really happy and content.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RDenmark on April 24, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
Sitting height is not a good way to determine your torso height. If you have a huge butt, you'll eventually have a taller sitting height, but not a taller torso.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on April 24, 2012, 07:50:09 PM
Sitting height is not a perfect way to measure torso length... That is true.... It is however a pretty good way since most people don't have enough booty to make That big of a difference..... notice that I said most.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on April 24, 2012, 09:33:54 PM
Just had to share something. I was at the mall this morning and I saw this guy. He was about 5'10" maybe 5'11". As he walked away, my eyes gravitated towards his legs and I noticed something that I may not have notices a few short months ago..... he had impossibly long tibiae... I mean his lower legs were really long. I found myself following him ( from behind so he did not notice me) and staring at his legs as he walked. The odds are ridiculously low that he had LL, I just think he probably had long shins but it proved (to me at least) that proportions are different all over and people don't really notice these things.... except us.... :-\


 I don't know for sure, maybe he gets stopped every day and asked about it or maybe he is a former LL'er ...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: pattymatty on April 24, 2012, 10:23:02 PM
Sitting height is not a good way to determine your torso height. If you have a huge butt, you'll eventually have a taller sitting height, but not a taller torso.

Sitting height is actually a good way to determine your torso height, this is what scientists use to approximate torso length, and as someone already mentioned in another topic somewhere in this forum, as well as what 6ftby2014 just mentioned in reply to your post, there really isn't that much padding in your butt to make that significant difference. Also I don't think either of the ladies in the picture I shared has a huge butt, as you can see in the picture, they're basically similar, except that Victoria Beckham's arms are significantly longer.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on April 24, 2012, 11:49:45 PM
Sitting height is actually a good way to determine your torso height, this is what scientists use to approximate torso length, and as someone already mentioned in another topic somewhere in this forum, as well as what 6ftby2014 just mentioned in reply to your post, there really isn't that much padding in your butt to make that significant difference. Also I don't think either of the ladies in the picture I shared has a huge butt, as you can see in the picture, they're basically similar, except that Victoria Beckham's arms are significantly longer.



Yeah, and her face is poutier.... does that girl ever smile????


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Dookieman on May 11, 2012, 12:02:13 PM
A friend of mine used to be Beckham's son's teacher at this posh private school in LA. She told me that Victoria is all limbs! LOL


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: craig49 on May 11, 2012, 12:08:00 PM
there is an old guy I work with (175cm) balding.  He is around 60.  Anyway, he also has a stomach, not huge, but he has one, and he has a pretty huge wingspan, I am guessing 180cm - 184cm.  He has little upper body strength so his shoulders appear to slouch.  He also has relatively sloppy posture.  The way he walks and stands sometimes really makes him look like a monkey as his arms appear so long. 

I think posture is important, but having a really huge wingspan is not always that great to look at. 

 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Dookieman on May 11, 2012, 12:22:37 PM
Exactly! I think perfect posture is in many ways more important. Not only that but good posture projects confidence.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RDenmark on May 11, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
Sitting height is not a perfect way to measure torso length... That is true.... It is however a pretty good way since most people don't have enough booty to make That big of a difference..... notice that I said most.

My sitting height is 95cms, but my torso length is significantly smaller.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: futuretallboy on May 18, 2012, 10:22:40 PM
To the gamers out there, I just made a little discovery to study proportions further.

Check out the game called "Pro Evolution Soccer 2012." In that game you can create a mock-up soccer player where you can change everything from the face, height, body type, and interestingly enough, leg length! It's very fun to play around with if you are tired of photoshop-ing your legs.lol


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: pattymatty on July 15, 2012, 05:59:52 PM
I just posted a profile pic on Dryani's website sarinsguesthouse and I just realized my arms might not be as long as I thought they were. Granted my fingers were a little bent on the pic... Oh well, I guess I can always sport longer fingernails or wear sleeveless tops!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: AJ_9cms on July 15, 2012, 07:02:39 PM
hey all !

okay, everyone including me on this forum is very sceptical about this proportion thingy and are quite worried about it ow our arma may look shorter after a considerable amount on increase in our tibias or femurs, so , lets play a small guessing game . here i am posting couple of pics of a friend of mines, of his arms .
Seeing this, I am gonna ask you all ,to give your best guess of his actual height.
lets see who guesses it the closest, considering and seeing the length of his arm in the pictures.
May be we 'll be in for surprise , after I tell you all his actual exact height , and that may put rest or increase your curiosity about all arm to height proportions . or may be not.

lets try this thing out, and see if arms of this guy can help us guess his actual height .;)

cheers fellas !

okay now how do i add pictures lol um not able to ...?

 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: AJ_9cms on July 15, 2012, 07:03:20 PM
http://[img]http://[img][img][/img][/img][/img]


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RDenmark on July 21, 2012, 10:47:45 PM
http://www.femininebeauty.info/leg-body-ratio

This is a really sweet website! If it's true or not I cannot say, but I can relate to it.
I really want to end at maximum 1.1. I recently measured myself to have 0.9 something. If I do LL I will still end somewhere between 1.0-1.1 and the difference from 1.0-1.1 is almost non existence!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: NBW on September 28, 2012, 12:44:56 PM
Got bored.
(http://i.imgur.com/S2XrL.jpg)
5'9" vs 6'4"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx2wtLKNP1qdazono1_400.jpg)
5'3" vs 6'4" (real height)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RDenmark on September 28, 2012, 01:45:23 PM
Got bored.
(http://i.imgur.com/S2XrL.jpg)
5'9" vs 6'4"

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsx2wtLKNP1qdazono1_400.jpg)
5'3" vs 6'4" (real height)



Look absolutely awful. His torso is WAY too short.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on September 28, 2012, 05:43:43 PM
are you saying with this height increase he looks really bad?

I thought torso length didn't matter, and it was wingspan that was the only thing we had to consider, did you not see "Apotheosis - A Treatise On Torso Length"  thread on torso length.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on September 28, 2012, 05:50:52 PM
are you saying with this height increase he looks really bad?

I thought torso length didn't matter, and it was wingspan that was the only thing we had to consider, did you not see "Apotheosis - A Treatise On Torso Length"  thread on torso length.

Then by your logic I can lengthen to 9' tall and be the tallest human in history  ;D

No, torso length DOES matter.  Which is why I won't dare lengthen past 181-183cm.  Short torsos look weirder than short arms, believe me.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on September 28, 2012, 05:54:13 PM
are you saying with this height increase he looks really bad?

I thought torso length didn't matter, and it was wingspan that was the only thing we had to consider, did you not see "Apotheosis - A Treatise On Torso Length"  thread on torso length.

Mostly he looks bad because his tibias are now longer than the tibias of the guy who is 6'4". LOL. He would have looked better with less tibia and more femur I think. His humerus is actually barely shorter then the humerus of the 6' 4" guy. Interesting.

LL isn't here to make us into giants. Trying to compare a 5' 3" guy to a 6' 4" giant isn't really a fair comparison. Try lengthening both the femurs and the tibias of the 5' 3" guy 7.62 cm and then comparing him to a 5' 9" tall guy. You will have a much more balanced comparison.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on September 28, 2012, 06:01:41 PM
maybe in Apotheosis thread his pictures was an example of himself in a suit, with the suit on I couldn't see where his torso began at all.

but from his thread I was mostly ignoring torso length, now I might need to take into consideration torso length.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on September 28, 2012, 06:04:44 PM
maybe in Apotheosis thread his pictures was an example of himself in a suit, with the suit on I couldn't see where his torso began at all.

but from his thread I was mostly ignoring torso length, now I might need to take into consideration torso length.

Apotheosis is a strange case. In all his photos he looks in proportion but I know from the photo with him with the stadiometer his torso is only 2cm longer than mine at MOST but I could not pull of 190.  I would struggle with 183!!!!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: AsTallAsWomen on September 28, 2012, 06:09:18 PM
ok well if you believe that to be true then WHY is that, surely there is some scienfitical reason why you feel you can't pull off that leg to torso deviation and Apotheosis can?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Transformer on September 28, 2012, 06:09:49 PM
It's the other way around, wingspan matters more. At my work there are all sorts of proportions, you name it and its there, from 6'5" to border-line midget. The border-line midget girl has a longer torso than the 5'7" & 5'9" girls but her arms and legs are really short. The 6'5" guy has the same length torso as the 5'10" guy. This 6'1" maybe 6'2" guy that I see at the gym is nothing but legs and has about the same size torso as mine. So wingspan does matter more than torso and having well defined shoulders helps. It looks good on height.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on September 28, 2012, 06:10:56 PM
The 5'9" guy may not look perfectly proportionate but I guarantee that he is much happier standing at 5'9" than he was at 5'3"...... If I saw him at the pool, I may observe long tibiae but I would not care too much and no one else would even notice... they would notice his overall height and if they saw him at the pool at 5'3" they would just notice his overall lack of height. As a matter of fact, if someone lengthened that much on his tibiae, and he was wearing shorts at the pool or beach or something..... he would be perceived as being even taller than he is.... I'll bet that if you asked a girl at the pool how tall he is, she would probably guess 5'10" or something. Either way you slice it, he comes out a winner.  ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on September 28, 2012, 06:17:30 PM
That guy on the left is not 5'9" in the mock-up.  The height difference between the top of a head and eyeline is roughly 4 inches in everyone, so for the guy on the left to be 5'9", his head would not reach the eyeline of the 6'4" person.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ant on September 28, 2012, 06:50:18 PM
Tibias are way too long in the mock up.  No person would handle 6" on tibias ever unless they were suffering from dwarfism. 3" on tibias and 3" on femurs would look a million times better.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on September 28, 2012, 06:53:59 PM
Tibias are way too long in the mock up.  No person would handle 6" on tibias ever unless they were suffering from dwarfism. 3" on tibias and 3" on femurs would look a million times better.

1) Put thumb over kneecaps on mock-up
2) Observe new proportions
3) ?????
4) Profit

 ;D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Red321 on September 28, 2012, 09:28:29 PM
I honestly think if someone were 5 9, with the proportions of that guy and was cut like that, no one would notice, care, or hold it against him


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: NBW on September 28, 2012, 10:25:26 PM
Sorry guys, I did a pretty cra* job. I rushed it. I didn't know how to properly lengthen his femurs because his fingers were in the way so I could only length a third of it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Herrmuller on October 04, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
Hi i am new here and this has nothing to do with this thread, but all i want to know first is how do i post something lol, i can reply to things only but now post, i am new and dont know much, i did read the faq completely and also the other starter stuff, thanks and sorry if this is a bother


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lanquesnet on October 24, 2012, 05:27:16 PM
Hi guys,

What do you think of my proportions ? I'd like to get LL in one or two years, and wonder what would be best.

My stats: 21yo, 164,5cm.

I would first like to take about 7. 5cm, but if I have the money later, why not come for seconds (another 7. 5cm)? If I was only to get LL once, I am better off (proportion wise) with an added 7,5cm in femurs, or tibia ?

Could anyone please make me a quick photoshop with +7. 5 cm in femurs, then tibias and then both (15cm) ? I would be most grateful (I love technology but technology doesn't love me so I suck at it!^^).
hxxp: www. freeimagehosting. net/u467w

I don't know how to make the picture show up. . .


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lanquesnet on October 24, 2012, 05:30:38 PM
How can we add pictures inside messages ? Does anyone know ?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on October 24, 2012, 05:33:31 PM
How can we add pictures inside messages ? Does anyone know ?

Using the img /img tags, but I do believe as a new user you have to garner a certain number of posts first before SysOps grants you permission to post images...I think? :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lanquesnet on October 24, 2012, 05:58:24 PM
Woops, sorry then.   :D I'm really too much of a newbie here. . .


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lanquesnet on October 25, 2012, 04:23:38 PM
Any opinion ? :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Fiveeight on October 27, 2012, 03:39:41 PM
I'm 5'8 (171.45cm). and I want to do 10cm on my tibs. I wonder if that will be too much.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on October 27, 2012, 03:53:57 PM
I'm 5'8 (171.45cm). and I want to do 10cm on my tibs. I wonder if that will be too much.

Post pictures and I'll do mock-ups for you if you wish :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: elvergalarga on October 29, 2012, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: RasmusDenmark link=topic=63. msg65383#msg65383 date=1348839923
Look absolutely awful.  His torso is WAY too short.

my humble comment, legs highlight the stature of men, but the torso is always going to be the torso, the day or when someone figures out how to lengthen the torso, not talking about big steps, say about 5-6 CTMS, that day will be glory for all, personally, I think the guy who is 5 3 with a height of 5 7 would be drastically be provided without becoming ridiculous, and of course, dede not compare with someone much bigger than it takes over 20 CTMS.
We have some progress in the field of lengthening torsos to today?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on November 15, 2012, 07:51:51 PM
my humble comment, legs highlight the stature of men, but the torso is always going to be the torso, the day or when someone figures out how to lengthen the torso, not talking about big steps, say about 5-6 CTMS, that day will be glory for all, personally, I think the guy who is 5 3 with a height of 5 7 would be drastically be provided without becoming ridiculous, and of course, dede not compare with someone much bigger than it takes over 20 CTMS.
We have some progress in the field of lengthening torsos to today?

I think that day will never come. No doctors will dare to even think about stretching the spinal nerves :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 511 on November 15, 2012, 10:42:05 PM

We have some progress in the field of lengthening torsos to today?


Is this question even serious??  :o



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: lanquesnet on November 18, 2012, 06:03:27 PM
Hi Quixotic !

Could you do a mockup for me ? I put my pic on this thread: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,5505.0.html (http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,5505.0.html)


Thank you so much in advance ! :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: elvergalarga on November 18, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
someone might change the picture of the man who is 5.3 putting only 4 inches? 2 in each segment? 2 in femur and two in tib? I think you would see much more proportional


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: daniel8 on January 03, 2013, 10:00:11 PM
i have a big head and narrow shoulders, i have really bad proportions between my head and shoulders.
do you think a guy who looks like this in the picture can benefit from a leg lengthening surgery? or it would make him look even more weird?

(http://images.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/celebrity-feed-kid-cudi-asher-roth-3.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on January 03, 2013, 10:38:22 PM
do you think a guy who looks like this in the picture can benefit from a leg lengthening surgery? or it would make him look even more weird?

I think he could benefit from a leg lengthening surgery. I also think he could benefit from eating a few hamburgers and going to the gym every once in a while. :P


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: OneSeventyThree on January 21, 2013, 08:32:07 AM
i have a big head and narrow shoulders, i have really bad proportions between my head and shoulders.
do you think a guy who looks like this in the picture can benefit from a leg lengthening surgery? or it would make him look even more weird?

dude I used to have pretty narrow shoulders for my body but just hit the gym, people who say you won't get wider simply mistaken because I am the proof for myself and you should try hitting the gym, I can share my shoulder exercising with you if you like just PM me


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: NBW on January 21, 2013, 09:11:27 AM
dude I used to have pretty narrow shoulders for my body but just hit the gym, people who say you won't get wider simply mistaken because I am the proof for myself and you should try hitting the gym, I can share my shoulder exercising with you if you like just PM me
back and shoulders to look wide!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: OneSeventyThree on January 21, 2013, 09:28:04 AM
back and shoulders to look wide!

yes simply by doing set exercises that work the deltoid, the side muscles and the upper back to give you a V shape..I've seen it work wonders..especially with people who have big deltoid and trapezius I can refer you to some videos on youtube if you like but you can just search for yourself as well


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: NBW on January 21, 2013, 09:48:59 AM
yes simply by doing set exercises that work the deltoid, the side muscles and the upper back to give you a V shape..I've seen it work wonders..especially with people who have big deltoid and trapezius I can refer you to some videos on youtube if you like but you can just search for yourself as well
No thanks, I'm fine. I know what you're talking about. It is why people perceive me to be 5'5", when really I'm 5'3". I have videos on youtube and people accuse me of taking roid. By the way, you should definitely hit the legs. It doesn't look like you train them. Legs are very important. So train them!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: OneSeventyThree on January 21, 2013, 09:51:21 AM
No thanks, I'm fine. I know what you're talking about. It is why people perceive me to be 5'5", when really I'm 5'3". I have videos on youtube and people accuse me of taking roid. By the way, you should definitely hit the legs. It doesn't look like you train them. Legs are very important. So train them!

yea like I said, I was focusing more on losing weight first then building muscles..and yea I was tooooo lazy to do squads...hate those ones lol


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: daniel8 on January 23, 2013, 12:05:33 AM
Quote from: SysOp link=topic=63. msg72298#msg72298 date=1357252702
I think he could benefit from a leg lengthening surgery.  I also think he could benefit from eating a few hamburgers and going to the gym every once in a while.  :P
the problem is that im not skinny and i still have this problem :(

Quote from: OneSeventyThree link=topic=63. msg74066#msg74066 date=1358757127
dude I used to have pretty narrow shoulders for my body but just hit the gym, people who say you won't get wider simply mistaken because I am the proof for myself and you should try hitting the gym, I can share my shoulder exercising with you if you like just PM me
dude that would be great, i am doing this exercise: bodybuilding. com/exercises/detail/view/name/power-partials but im not seeing great results.
i cant pm, i dont have permission yet, could you email me your exercises? tmskk2@gmail. com


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 6ftby2014 on January 23, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
Daniel. Are you sure you did not paste Marlon Wayons' head on your body? Hahaa.

Seriously though, a couple more posts and you can start PM'ing people. 8)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: OneSeventyThree on January 23, 2013, 02:52:56 AM
Done buddy, hope you enjoy the wider look soon :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - tibias versus femurs for 2nd operation.
Post by: SPARTANANIMAL on January 23, 2013, 11:58:31 PM
Hi Guys,

I have already done 6 cms femur operation 1 year ago.   I am wanting to do a second op. . . would you recommend another 6 cms on the femurs or to do my tibias?

Femur op will be cheaper as i can reuse the rods. . . but i guess I am thinking of proportions and long term healthy also.   If you can give me some advice that would be great.

I was told i could do another 6 on the femur so a total of 12 cms.   Do you know the maximum cm on tibias?

cheers.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - tibias versus femurs for 2nd operation.
Post by: OneSeventyThree on January 24, 2013, 12:35:56 AM
Hi Guys,

I have already done 6 cms femur operation 1 year ago.   I am wanting to do a second op. . . would you recommend another 6 cms on the femurs or to do my tibias?

Femur op will be cheaper as i can reuse the rods. . . but i guess I am thinking of proportions and long term healthy also.   If you can give me some advice that would be great.

I was told i could do another 6 on the femur so a total of 12 cms.   Do you know the maximum cm on tibias?

cheers.

Hello SPARTANANIMAL, my advice is to do it on our tibiae because like you said proportions..that's one, the second is if you read some of the diaries of people who over done their femur, they suffered from knee pain and their is a debate about the harms of lengthening only one segment of the leg (the dynamics of the legs and movement will be disturbed) I'm sure a lot of people will agree with me that you should do the second one on your tibiae instead :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - tibias versus femurs for 2nd operation.
Post by: NBW on January 24, 2013, 01:31:28 AM
Hi Guys,

I have already done 6 cms femur operation 1 year ago.   I am wanting to do a second op. . . would you recommend another 6 cms on the femurs or to do my tibias?

Femur op will be cheaper as i can reuse the rods. . . but i guess I am thinking of proportions and long term healthy also.   If you can give me some advice that would be great.

I was told i could do another 6 on the femur so a total of 12 cms.   Do you know the maximum cm on tibias?

cheers.
lengthen your tibs. Can you please post pictures of your body?


Also, what makes this person appear tall? He's 5'4"
(http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lc/x_factor_4_161009/joe_mcelderry_2617065.jpg)
Joe Mcelderry


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - tibias versus femurs for 2nd operation.
Post by: OneSeventyThree on January 24, 2013, 01:48:05 AM

Also, what makes this person appear tall? He's 5'4"
Joe Mcelderry

It is only an illusion because his cloths fits him, a person can appear taller or shorted due to
One: how fit and lean their bodies are
Two: how fit their cloths are on them
Three: the color choice as well as The style of stripes
Lastly: this guy may appear taller in a picture but not in reality


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on January 24, 2013, 02:46:00 AM
1. Camera angle.
2. Its a close up picture. There are countless time I couldn't tell the real heights of so many members here when they have close up pictures like that.
3. There are no others guys standing next to him so we cannot see his real height.
4. He looks pretty fit and he is also in a good proportion.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: daniel8 on February 03, 2013, 07:21:54 PM
Quote from: 6ftby2014 link=topic=63. msg74175#msg74175 date=1358899832
Daniel.  Are you sure you did not paste Marlon Wayons' head on your body? Hahaa.

Seriously though, a couple more posts and you can start PM'ing people.  8)

hahaha thats not me, but my proportion is that bad :(

Quote from: OneSeventyThree link=topic=63. msg74180#msg74180 date=1358909576
Done buddy, hope you enjoy the wider look soon :)

thanks man, i am already doing it.  :)

i know some doctors can reshape your skull, i googled and i found this guy:
hxxp: www. eppleyplasticsurgery. com/skull-reshaping. html
anyone here heard about skull reduction?



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on February 03, 2013, 10:19:32 PM
Also his head size in proportion to the rest of his body makes him look ok .


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Strive on May 08, 2013, 06:45:50 AM
Do the calf muscles elongate with the leg lengthening process?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Distill Spirit on May 25, 2013, 02:38:20 PM
I'm so sorry if this is the wrong place to be posting, but I would really like some help.  I've been doing mock ups of myself but they just don't seem quite right.  If any who has experience could help me that would be great. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Doflamingo on May 26, 2013, 12:26:56 AM
Hi all,
I'm 157 cm (boy & Asian), I would like to be 170cm (165cm minimum, 170 maximum).
I was thinking of 6cm in the tibias and 7 in the femurs.
Anyone have an idea?
(Will post pictures later)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Cyrano de Bergerac on June 14, 2013, 07:01:26 AM
Hey guys,

So as you may know or not I'm looking forward to getting two LL done over the next years and reaching 176cm (up to 177cm maybe but 176 is my main goal), starting from a natural height of 164,5. And just like everyone here I guess I do sometimes worry a wee bit about proportions, especially knowing I wasn't bestowed with a very long torso to begin with. I am lucky enough to have a 172cm wingspan but am stuck with a 90cm sitting height or so (not mentioning my fat butt is likely to contribute to it already ::)).

So anyways I did some mockups where I added 5,5cm to my tibs and 6cm to my femurs, and then put both pics side to side to Ronny Coleman's pic in order to compare proportions. I know Ronny's around 180 but I still find it interesting to see that I would end up with similar proportions as his, in contradiction to the impression the mockups give me on their own (especially the second one, where I really look like I have reeally long legs, dunno why). Ronny's arms are definitely bigger/longer on the picture but what it rightly highlights in my mind (as has been pointed out before on this thread) is the importance of torso width (and arm length) rather than sheer torso length when it comes to proportions.

Feel free to give your thoughts, because I would really like honest opinions on these final mockups of mine (would I look that long-legged ?). So far, I feel like it's doable for me as long as I manage to widen my torso afterwards (like Ronnies, yeah, dreaming big is the way  ;D). I can't really explain why I look so much better on the first mockup than on the second though... :-\

(http://i.imgur.com/aScC44T.png?1)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: acap on June 14, 2013, 10:35:18 AM
I think 90 cm sitting height matches well even a 5' 11" guy, don't know why you're concerned about that.  Your wingspan seems to fit too and your shoulders are wide enough.  Ya, the second picture should be redone for a better assessment: it appears a little bit blurred to me.
Just a random young guy (not as you) to young guy add: I would rather focus on practicing sports like swimming rather than BB (it's definitely possible to swim "hard" too) and don't forget that running is very often the faster and cheaper way to stay fit. . . .  yeah I'm somehow a Triathlon fan ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Cyrano de Bergerac on June 15, 2013, 11:24:03 AM
Thanks for your comment acap ! I know swimming is a very good way to keep fit (I used to swim quite a bit when I was younger), and the same goes with running. But I was thinking about building up muscle/gaining muscle weight rather than just staying fit (in order to compensate for the discrepancy between my future leg length and my torso length). I intend on doing some swimming anyways because it will be more than beneficial to my legs (I'll have to wait for running though, don't want to rush things in that department) but swimming or running in itself wouldn't make me into a beast like bb could. I mean that's the difference between staying fit and becoming big. ;)

But I appreciate your insight ! And hail triathlon! I heard it was quite tough to say the least  :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: acap on June 19, 2013, 01:31:01 PM
Ya I'll try to join some races even if cycling too much annoys me  :-\

I understand your point, I'm just concerned about all the guys out there who think they're athletic just because they hit the gym.  Personally I think it's more like a way to improve your personal records, not a substitute to any aerobic activities.

Furthermore I don't think 11 cm will be enough to alter in a bad way your image, because many average guys do actually have long legs.  When your sitting height is in the 90 cm range I think you do not have to worry about it.  On the contrary if one is already a 175 cm guy and wants to go 10+ cm over that, then I think he should be a little more concerned about it.  But 165 guys most of the time have only relatively shorter legs.  Just to be fair I'll share my proportions too, I'm about 172 cm and my sitting height is around yours and I can't see how 4-5 cm more legs would ruin my image. . .  just no way.

Anyway I want to stress about the fact that I'm not suggesting you to alter your height, it seems to me a very hard and arguable journey, I'm not looking at it under any prejudice though.  I know what a height complex is but at the same time I'm aware about the superiority of the mind (one needs to be very clever to understand it though), plus you're pretty young and hope you'll think about it at least other 100+ times before making a decision.  On the other hand I see that one loves to take this journey when he's very young in order to fully appreciate the changes (not confident about calling them advantages).

As the lecture is finished, I do suggest you not to run after an hypothetical surgery for a VERY long time: I can testify that even if you're a healthy and very young guy (let's say 18 yo), you can develop chronic knee pain if you run weighting (let's say) 10 kg (about 22 pounds) over your perfect weight for running (don't know how to say that properly in English) if you don't take all the relevant precautions (e.  g.  running only for a couple of miles for the first weeks, etc. ).  As regards swimming, I think it would be the sweetest way to restart with a new body.

Talked like a dad just because you're so young, I just can't give proper insights to anyone as I have difficulties with me at first.   ::)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 5eleven on June 25, 2013, 01:07:47 AM
Quote from: Cyrano de Bergerac link=topic=63. msg82472#msg82472 date=1371193286
So anyways I did some mockups where I added 5,5cm to my tibs and 6cm to my femurs, and then put both pics side to side to Ronny Coleman's pic in order to compare proportions.  I know Ronny's around 180 but I still find it interesting to see that I would end up with similar proportions as his,

Black people do have longer legs and shorter torsos than whites.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PaulAllen on June 25, 2013, 08:22:44 AM
your legs are very thin for a male. in general, you can lengthen to about 4 inches over your wingspan. seeing as your wingspan is 5' 8", you could lengthen to 6' 0', but i think your skinny legs would hold you back and make you look weird.

i reckon you should go on a ronnie coleman diet, do some squats and thicken those legs up. the thicker your legs are, the longer you can lengthen them, but only if your wingspan allows it.

you're better off getting the most out of your first surgery and then measuring your proportions a second time as 5'7 man.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on June 28, 2013, 12:53:56 AM
your legs are very thin for a male. in general, you can lengthen to about 4 inches over your wingspan. seeing as your wingspan is 5' 8", you could lengthen to 6' 0', but i think your skinny legs would hold you back and make you look weird.



My wingspan is also 5 8...but how can you say "you can lengthen to about 4 inches over your wingspan..". Music to my ears but I wonder how did you reach that conclusion ?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Andre01 on June 28, 2013, 07:32:00 PM
My wingspan is also 5 8...but how can you say "you can lengthen to about 4 inches over your wingspan..". Music to my ears but I wonder how did you reach that conclusion ?

cos other ppl have done it n they look just FINE


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: leonard on June 28, 2013, 08:16:16 PM
Check out Tall or Apotheosis. Both went over wingspan and look fine in pictures.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PaulAllen on June 29, 2013, 09:40:11 AM
My wingspan is also 5 8...but how can you say "you can lengthen to about 4 inches over your wingspan..". Music to my ears but I wonder how did you reach that conclusion ?

like the others have stated, others have done it and they look fine. it's sort of a rule of thumb in the leg lengthening world. if i do leg lengthening, i'll be 7.5 over my wingspan because my wingspan is the same as my height, but i look fine at 3 inches over my wingspan. if i go another 3 inches, then i'll look like a freak.

however, you need to do mock-ups if you want to get an idea of what you look like 4 inches over your wingspan. have you done any yet?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RDenmark on June 29, 2013, 05:57:26 PM
The outcome of LL will certainly look different in real life compared to photos. You've gotta trade some proportions for being taller, that's one of the downsides of LL, get used to it.

It's normal to have a wingspan that is around your height, going 8-10cm over your wingspan will not look normal, lol. But do you want to be 160cm or 170cm, ask yourself that. I would take option b anytime of the day, who cares about having short arms when you're tall.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 07:01:28 PM
Hey guys, im currently 5'7 with a 5'10 wingspan.  Here's my mockup.  In order 1st pic = original height.  2nd pic- femurs legnethed by 7cm, 3rd pic-tibias lengethed by 7cm, last pic femurs and tibias legnethed by 5cm.  I was hoping to go for the last one but i admit i do look skinny but if i put on some muscle in which im planning on doing then would you think it would look okay proportion wise?

(http://hxxp: img15. imageshack. us/img15/5286/rvgq. jpg)

Uploaded with ImageShack. us


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 07:05:47 PM
Sorry guys the pics not working, heres the link hxxp: imageshack. us/f/15/rvgq. jpg/


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 07:08:27 PM
Snap! Anyone know how to upload photos? Help me please i just need people review how i look if i would would LL.  Please guys. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: leonard on June 29, 2013, 08:13:22 PM
Man you have super long arms!!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 08:32:39 PM
Me bro?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: leonard on June 29, 2013, 09:08:31 PM
Yeah man! Your limbs look long in general. I am the same height as you but got really short legs and a wingspan of 5'8"


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Joe2000 on June 29, 2013, 09:09:21 PM
man you look too skinny, gain some weight before LL...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 10:28:34 PM
@leonard Lol my 5'7 brotha! But yeah it probably looks longer than it should because i am skinny af! But if i gain some weight you reckon i could go for the 5 on tibs and 5 on femurs?

@slawek im only 17 so by the time i start my LL journey ill probably be bulkier than that.  But what do you think i should go for according to the picture?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: leonard on June 29, 2013, 10:36:09 PM
Man maybe you not even full grown yet! You gotta find out if your growth plates are fused.

You look very fine with 7 cm femurs in my opinion. 10 cm you start to get a bit leggy but its hard to tell cause you are too skinny even for your current height... You gotta start bulking up dude! And just working out won't cut it. You gotta eat man . It's as important as the workout.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
@leanord My plates are probably fused.  My dad is 5'7 and moms 5'0 but ill find out if they are soon.  And i know im skinny bro.  Weight and height are currently my main problems.  But im currently on a weight gaining diet so im hopeful i should gain weight before or early 2014.  But i've always wanted to be 5'11 and i think i can go for it proportionally.  Like someone said on here, 'the more weight theres is on the legs, the longer you can lengthen'.  So i'll just use that as my motivation lol.  But thanks for your input.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on June 29, 2013, 11:14:15 PM
@leanord My plates are probably fused.  My dad is 5'7 and moms 5'0 but ill find out if they are soon.  And i know im skinny bro.  Weight and height are currently my main problems.  But im currently on a weight gaining diet so im hopeful i should gain weight before or early 2014.  But i've always wanted to be 5'11 and i think i can go for it proportionally.  Like someone said on here, 'the more weight theres is on the legs, the longer you can lengthen'.  So i'll just use that as my motivation lol.  But thanks for your input.

Yes, your main concern is putting weight on  You look dangerously underweight and I recommend sorting out any problems in that area before even attempting such a physically demanding  procedure as ll. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 29, 2013, 11:42:05 PM
Dangerously?!?! Oh hell no! IM OFF TO MCDONALDS! Joke but damn that sounds serious bro.  I'm gonna have to add 1000 more calories to my diet.  Wow man.  Ill post another mock-up soon with hopefully a bigger body frame.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PaulAllen on June 30, 2013, 12:02:47 PM
it's not fat you need, it's muscle. buy a bench set and lift weights. eat plenty of protein-rich foods like chicken and fish, it helps rebuild your muscles, but you have to eat it an hour or so before your workout. i gained about 11 kgs in three months from lifting weights.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 30, 2013, 01:46:47 PM
11kg in 3 months? You serious bro?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PaulAllen on June 30, 2013, 01:55:53 PM
11kg in 3 months? You serious bro?

yep, but i was very underweight. i worked out for about 3 hours a day whenever my muscles weren't aching from working out. i reckon you should do squats, they'll make your legs look thicker and you can lengthening more because of it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 30, 2013, 02:43:25 PM
Hey, what about if i gain weight first and convert that into muscle or is that the long way? Thanks for the tips btw bro


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: PaulAllen on June 30, 2013, 04:05:30 PM
Hey, what about if i gain weight first and convert that into muscle or is that the long way? Thanks for the tips btw bro

it's the stupid way. if you put on fat, you'll get lazy and struggle to lose it. also, people who work out regularly tend to have an easier leg lengthening experience because their muscle are easier to stretch.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on June 30, 2013, 04:15:12 PM
Ahhhh i understand. I'll do what you said and i hope to gain something around 9-11 kg in 3 months. Thanks for the help brother!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: BKloveallmyLLfamily on July 18, 2013, 11:15:33 PM
BTW guys, just wondering, have i got narrow or broad shoulders? i can't tell and would love some feedback! Thanks guys


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 5eleven on July 19, 2013, 01:19:28 AM
Quote from: BKloveallmyLLfamily link=topic=63. msg83521#msg83521 date=1374189333
BTW guys, just wondering, have i got narrow or broad shoulders? i can't tell and would love some feedback! Thanks guys

They look narrow to me in relation to your head.  You need to put on some mass. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: NBW on July 19, 2013, 07:51:08 AM
wow, dude. I agree with everybody else. You are very skinny. It looks like you just completed LL surgery. I can't imagine you post LL.
The amount of calories you eat at 5'7" shouldn't be that high, that said bulk up!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Spiderprowler on August 22, 2013, 07:50:20 PM
IMG]hxxp: i43. tinypic. com/6i4gfs. jpg[/IMG]

Can someone please do a mockup of me at 8 cm in the femurs?

I'm 173 cm, 94 cm sitting height, and 171. 5 cm wingspan.  I'm worried my arms will be too short at 181 due to my crappy wingspan.

What do you guys recommend, femurs or tibia?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Spiderprowler on August 22, 2013, 07:51:56 PM
Ugh here's the image.

(http://hxxp: i43. tinypic. com/6i4gfs. jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Spiderprowler on August 23, 2013, 01:22:25 AM
Actually turns out my wingspan is at least 173 cm. . . I measured wrong.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: marymary on August 23, 2013, 04:23:49 PM
IMG]hxxp: i43. tinypic. com/6i4gfs. jpg[/IMG]

Can someone please do a mockup of me at 8 cm in the femurs?

I'm 173 cm, 94 cm sitting height, and 171. 5 cm wingspan.  I'm worried my arms will be too short at 181 due to my crappy wingspan.

What do you guys recommend, femurs or tibia?

Here it is your 8 cm femur mock-up. (http://s10.postimg.org/495qsf9b9/6i4gfs_8_fem.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/495qsf9b9/)
And this is 7 cm tibia mock-up.  (http://s22.postimg.org/trz3dbj7h/6i4gfs_7tib.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/trz3dbj7h/)
 
I think femur is better, but not that much.
Also, I'll send you the deletion links in a private message (in case you want to delete them someday).





Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on August 23, 2013, 05:57:17 PM
IMG]hxxp: i43. tinypic. com/6i4gfs. jpg[/IMG]

Can someone please do a mockup of me at 8 cm in the femurs?

I'm 173 cm, 94 cm sitting height, and 171. 5 cm wingspan.  I'm worried my arms will be too short at 181 due to my crappy wingspan.

What do you guys recommend, femurs or tibia?

 Talk to the guys who have done the procedure to see how they feel.

I havent taken the plunge yet. I am just starting the watching, lurking, saving money and getting ready phase . So far I am convinced wingspan doesnt matter .........up to a point.

As long as we dont end up with T Rex arms dangling in front of us  ;D .

I am 170cm and have a 175cm wingspan. I am going for 185cm. I think a 10cm short wingspan still looks normal  :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Spiderprowler on August 23, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: marymary link=topic=63. msg85318#msg85318 date=1377275029
Here it is your 8 cm femur mock-up.  (http://hxxp: s10. postimg. org/495qsf9b9/6i4gfs_8_fem. jpg)
And this is 7 cm tibia mock-up.   (http://hxxp: s22. postimg. org/trz3dbj7h/6i4gfs_7tib. jpg)
 
I think femur is better, but not that much. 
Also, I'll send you the deletion links in a private message (in case you want to delete them someday).


Thanks. 

I'm surprised you think femur is only a little better, to me the tibia pic looks alien, while the femur one is passable.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: marymary on August 23, 2013, 08:59:02 PM
Thanks. 

I'm surprised you think femur is only a little better, to me the tibia pic looks alien, while the femur one is passable.
No, what I ment to say is that 7 cm tibia looks weird compared to 8 cm femur mock-up. However, 8 cm lengthening on femur is too much and noticeable too. Maybe 6 cm will be fine. You'll be 179 cm. Also, you're not that short now.
So bad your arms look short too.
Definately the femur looks short, so is the femur lengthening is the best option in my opinion.
But is your decision, and if you want 8 cm, go for it. Also, there are people born with 3" or 4" shorter wingspan.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Spiderprowler on August 23, 2013, 09:14:02 PM
Ya my wingspan is about 174 so there will be a 7 cm difference.  No question that I'd look more proportional with 6 cm on femurs than 8, but I'm only doing this operation once and the extra height outweighs the slightly weirder proportions for me.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Junkim021789 on August 24, 2013, 01:54:36 AM
Quote from: Spiderprowler link=topic=63. msg85331#msg85331 date=1377292442
Ya my wingspan is about 174 so there will be a 7 cm difference.   No question that I'd look more proportional with 6 cm on femurs than 8, but I'm only doing this operation once and the extra height outweighs the slightly weirder proportions for me. 

I think lengthening femur makes ur arms look shorter, mostly because people tend to measure arm length based on how far down the thigh ur arms go.  I think if you are concerned about ur arm length you should lengthen ur tibia.  But you do have longer tibia to begin with so. . . hmm


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on August 24, 2013, 03:14:06 AM

From my understanding its difficult to do one body part 8cm and make it look natural. You would need to do the other one as well. I dont know though.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Spiderprowler on August 24, 2013, 04:51:42 AM
Other have done this amount or more before, it's at the high end you can do for one segment, but I already have short femurs so I'm goin for it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on August 24, 2013, 05:31:23 PM
Other have done this amount or more before, it's at the high end you can do for one segment, but I already have short femurs so I'm goin for it.

Hey Spider. Me too.

I feel that my Femurs are too short. This is why I am doing them first. If I jam out and only do one operation, then it will still look ok.

Good Luck  :)

I cant wait to get started either.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: marymary on September 01, 2013, 01:04:02 PM
(http://i42.tinypic.com/o0uech.jpg)

This is Emmy Rossum(the taller one on the left- 169 cm according to celebheights) with Leighton Meester (the shorter one 164 cm). No doubt they can be differnt heights, but the height difference between them is like 5 cms.
Arm length difference supposed to be 1 inch per arm but actually, their arm difference is huge. Leighton didn't do leg lengthening.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 01, 2013, 06:24:40 PM

Cool photo.

Meester is right on her tip toes whereas Rossum looks  jacked up half way.

I went to the site http://www.celebheights.com/s/latest_36.html

and looked through the photos.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 03, 2013, 01:00:41 PM
How tall do you think is "too tall" for a woman? I mean, clearly this is different for every person, but assuming proportions were alright (I've done my own mock-up but I'm not comfortable putting up an image of myself until after I get my body lift), how tall do you think a woman shouldn't go?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: zeo on September 03, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
How tall do you think is "too tall" for a woman? I mean, clearly this is different for every person, but assuming proportions were alright (I've done my own mock-up but I'm not comfortable putting up an image of myself until after I get my body lift), how tall do you think a woman shouldn't go?

I think it would depend on the country. but being a girl it's really going to come down to your personal preference.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 03, 2013, 04:30:19 PM
How tall do you think is "too tall" for a woman? I mean, clearly this is different for every person, but assuming proportions were alright (I've done my own mock-up but I'm not comfortable putting up an image of myself until after I get my body lift), how tall do you think a woman shouldn't go?

I cant speak for all men but for most men I would think 4 inches is the minimum generally. I am 5ft 7 and my wife is 5ft 2. She is perfect height for me . She is not happy that I am going to become 6ft 1 because she will need a step ladder but I have seen lots of women with guys much taller than they are.

I have dated women the same height as I am too. However, if we are talking pure physical measurements, then in a perfect world 4 inches is the best. So whatever height you are, add 4 inches to it and that sized guy would find you perfect.

The average height for men is generally 5ft 10 in the European / American white world.

So I would say 5ft 6 is a good height for a woman after LL. It gives her the maximum amount of men who would find her appealing.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Terry1988 on September 03, 2013, 05:33:22 PM
How tall do you think is "too tall" for a woman? I mean, clearly this is different for every person, but assuming proportions were alright (I've done my own mock-up but I'm not comfortable putting up an image of myself until after I get my body lift), how tall do you think a woman shouldn't go?

The perfect height is completely subjective. I have no problem being with a women who is the same height as me Even if I lengthen both my tibae and femurs and we end up being the same height, I still wouldn't have a problem with it. I had a look through your posts and you mentioned that you're 167 cm (5' 6" - around the same height as me), you could lengthen to 6' 0" and many people could find you more attractive than before, especially tall men who are around 6' 3" - 6' 5" etc...

Then, of course, you have women who are happy with being 5' 4". My mother is 5' 2" and she's content with her height, but I know an 5' 4" ex-girlfriend of mine and a few years ago she posted something on Facebook about growing pains and she was hoping these growing pains would help grow a few more inches. I don't believe they were growing pains or that she grew any taller, but it just proves some women like being tall and some women prefer being average or short.

If you lengthen 8 cm with Betz (I presume you're interested in doing surgery with Betz because you post on diaries belonging to Betz' patients), you will be 5' 9" (175 cm) and I highly doubt anyone will think you're too tall, with the exception of insecure short men (kusop) who complain about tall people (62goal) wanting this surgery.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Without Judgment on September 03, 2013, 06:19:35 PM
How tall do you think is "too tall" for a woman? I mean, clearly this is different for every person, but assuming proportions were alright (I've done my own mock-up but I'm not comfortable putting up an image of myself until after I get my body lift), how tall do you think a woman shouldn't go?

Of course everyone has their preferences, but most the guys I know prefer petite or average height women to tall women - my tall male friends find tall women quite unappealing. There are also studies out there showing that petite women are more attractive to the opposite sex than tall women.

IMO, I don't think there's any benefit for a woman going above 5'7. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 03, 2013, 07:32:46 PM
The perfect height is completely subjective. I have no problem being with a women who is the same height as me Even if I lengthen both my tibae and femurs and we end up being the same height, I still wouldn't have a problem with it. I had a look through your posts and you mentioned that you're 167 cm (5' 6" - around the same height as me), you could lengthen to 6' 0" and many people could find you more attractive than before, especially tall men who are around 6' 3" - 6' 5" etc...

Then, of course, you have women who are happy with being 5' 4". My mother is 5' 2" and she's content with her height, but I know an 5' 4" ex-girlfriend of mine and a few years ago she posted something on Facebook about growing pains and she was hoping these growing pains would help grow a few more inches. I don't believe they were growing pains or that she grew any taller, but it just proves some women like being tall and some women prefer being average or short.

If you lengthen 8 cm with Betz (I presume you're interested in doing surgery with Betz because you post on diaries belonging to Betz' patients), you will be 5' 9" (175 cm) and I highly doubt anyone will think you're too tall, with the exception of insecure short men (kusop) who complain about tall people (62goal) wanting this surgery.

I'm not so much worried about what people think of me, but at the same time I want to be cautious. I don't want to be a "freak" or anything, but I was considering doing 7 and 7 (If I can't, then at least I would like 5-8 on the tibiae) which would put me at round-about 5'11". That's the height of Gisele Bundchen, the highest paid model in the world. I'm not intent on becoming a model, but that's just a comparison that if people like her so much it probably wouldn't be too awful to consider such a height. Plus, it would put me far more in proportion with my torso. Maybe not my arms, but from my mock-up it's not extremely off. I'll get there when I get there. :P


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 03, 2013, 08:01:47 PM
Of course everyone has their preferences, but most the guys I know prefer petite or average height women to tall women - my tall male friends find tall women quite unappealing. There are also studies out there showing that petite women are more attractive to the opposite sex than tall women.

IMO, I don't think there's any benefit for a woman going above 5'7. 

Being tall for a guy has more profound consequences than it does for a woman.

Being 5 ft 6 for a woman has the greatest overall advantages. However, if she wants height to lord over other women, she also does it at the risk of intimidating more men.

5ft 11 or something is for models. Its s detriment in just about every other facet of her life. Its like a guy being 6ft 5 and taller



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Terry1988 on September 03, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
Of course everyone has their preferences, but most the guys I know prefer petite or average height women to tall women - my tall male friends find tall women quite unappealing. There are also studies out there showing that petite women are more attractive to the opposite sex than tall women.

IMO, I don't think there's any benefit for a woman going above 5'7. 

I'm pretty sure a modeling career would count as a huge benefit.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Without Judgment on September 03, 2013, 08:59:49 PM
I'm pretty sure a modeling career would count as a huge benefit.

Okay, but outside of modeling, how many social benefits do tall women have over women that are average height? I think that's too limited of an aspect of life to do a procedure as intense as leg lengthening for. Especially since modeling is extremely competitive and many models have short-lived careers. In terms of attractiveness to the opposite sex, tall women are shown to be at a disadvantage compared to their petite and average counterparts.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 03, 2013, 09:31:28 PM
We also have to consider that the life of a model ,even a once in a million model, is not very long. Her career is over by 30 unless she is once in a billion internationally superstar model who can last longer.

For the other 99.99999999% of women, being tall enough to model ends , and they are stuck with their height. If she likes it, all power to her.

I would think most would not.  I say 5ft 6 to 5ft 8 is perfect for women and 6ft to 6ft 2 is perfect for men.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 03, 2013, 10:16:22 PM
Look, if I could shorten my torso and lengthen my legs I would.   :D but as it stands, the only way for me to achieve happiness with my body would be to lengthen my legs and just grow taller as a result. I know plenty of women very happy with their tall stature, and tbh I would probably like being tall over being average. Tall women aren't undateable, as some people tend to think. The tallest girl I ever knew, aside from my aunt, was 6'2" and she extremely popular and is now married with two kids, to a wonderful man who is 5'10". And of course, I've said it before, if a person won't date me because of my height, then I don't want to date them anyway.
I was honestly just wanting to know if people would consider me a "freak" or "too tall" at 5'11".


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: acap on September 03, 2013, 11:47:26 PM
Look, if I could shorten my torso and lengthen my legs I would.   :D but as it stands, the only way for me to achieve happiness with my body would be to lengthen my legs and just grow taller as a result. I know plenty of women very happy with their tall stature, and tbh I would probably like being tall over being average. Tall women aren't undateable, as some people tend to think. The tallest girl I ever knew, aside from my aunt, was 6'2" and she extremely popular and is now married with two kids, to a wonderful man who is 5'10". And of course, I've said it before, if a person won't date me because of my height, then I don't want to date them anyway.
I was honestly just wanting to know if people would consider me a "freak" or "too tall" at 5'11".
Then you have to show us some (face and intimate parts covered, of course) pictures about you.
Without them, personally I wouldn't suggest you to go past 175.
Knowing a woman happy with herself who is 188 cm, does not mean anything. Apart from usual statistical remarks that you clearly don't want to listen to, that woman has developed her own confidence over time, which means she rushed through her own suffering and joy path, like everyone else.
You cannot short circuit that with a surgery only.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 04, 2013, 12:13:07 AM

I was honestly just wanting to know if people would consider me a "freak" or "too tall" at 5'11".

No. You would not be a 'freak' .

Yes, many men would not find you suitable for dating. Your selection would be very thin. Men who are 6ft 3 and taller, and you would have to compete with women shorter than you are as well as women who are your height.

Some women would find you too tall as you would stand out from almost all of them.

Finding clothes will be harder but not impossible.

As others have said. Post a pic of yourself so we can see why you need to be 5ft 11.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Terry1988 on September 04, 2013, 03:00:07 AM
Okay, but outside of modeling, how many social benefits do tall women have over women that are average height? I think that's too limited of an aspect of life to do a procedure as intense as leg lengthening for. Especially since modeling is extremely competitive and many models have short-lived careers. In terms of attractiveness to the opposite sex, tall women are shown to be at a disadvantage compared to their petite and average counterparts.

None, really, but men do gravitate towards long legs and short skirts and I have witnessed shorter girls in my hometown compliment their 6' 0" friend on her legs - okay, sure, that doesn't apply to every girl on the planet being envious of tall women, but why do model shoots always seem to focus on the models legs? I think it's because people just find long legs on a woman attractive.

Maybe my opinion on tall women is biased because I think they hotter than average women, but if she got more compliments on her legs, it wouldn't surprise me. Oh and bouncers at nightclubs may let her past the door over other women, and barmen may serve the tall woman before others because she stands out. When you're at a concert, being tall is an advantage  - I certainly found being short a disadvantage.

There's one thing for sure, if she lengthens to 5' 8" or 5' 9" and wears heels, she'll get an idea of what being 5' 11" would be like. If she doesn't like it, then she can stick to one surgery. Women look good with long tibea, so she won't have to worry about her femurs looking small in comparison.

Alixanderia also mentioned her sitting height is 93 cm, which means her legs might be noticeably disproportionate to her torso. I think her torso is longer than Sweden's and he is naturally 6 cm taller than her. Lengthening her legs might be the only the only option to make her body look normal, though, we'll still need to see photos to make those judgements.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Andre01 on September 04, 2013, 09:51:36 AM
wow MMT is very interesting atm.

a chick who is 5'6 (good height) is planning to increase her height to 6'0.
lol...

Not long ago there was a chick who had her legs shortenned because she was too tall (about 5'11) at Dr Sarin's.
she had a similar torso (around 93cm).
Her intentions mad sense.

But this one is just another one of those that just dont make sense.

Alexanderia u r very interesting. Hats of to you by the way for dating a man who was 4'10 ( 20cm shorter than u) and who was also on a wheel chair.

You continue to amaze.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Andre01 on September 04, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
this makes as much sense as a 5'10 guy with a relaltively short torso planning to shorten his legs and end up being 5'4.

All so he can be proportionally short.

Have u seen Coco.s body (Ice T's wife)

she is short but has long torso. some might say her legs r stumpy but many women wish they were in her shoes. I am one of many ppl out there who think she is really HOT.

Proportions are overated!!

Dont waste ur money (over 100K). avoid being disabled for months and move on with ur life.  Do u know how many months u will be walking with ballerina and a gait. What good would ur portions be when u spend 2 years and maybe more limping around on crutches.

What about other long therm issues like athritis that u could get from LL later on in ur life.

LL is for short men like me (163cm) who will benefit both socially and sometimes even financially because of heightism.

I dont see what u stand to gain from putting up with the negatives of LL.

I expect u to come to ur senses by the time u can actually have LL.







Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 04, 2013, 12:11:19 PM
this makes as much sense as a 5'10 guy with a relaltively short torso planning to shorten his legs and end up being 5'4.

All so he can be proportionally short.

Have u seen Coco.s body (Ice T's wife)

she is short but has long torso. some might say her legs r stumpy but many women wish they were in her shoes. I am one of many ppl out there who think she is really HOT.

Proportions are overated!!

Dont waste ur money (over 100K). avoid being disabled for months and move on with ur life.  Do u know how many months u will be walking with ballerina and a gait. What good would ur portions be when u spend 2 years and maybe more limping around on crutches.

What about other long therm issues like athritis that u could get from LL later on in ur life.

LL is for short men like me (163cm) who will benefit both socially and sometimes even financially because of heightism.

I dont see what u stand to gain from putting up with the negatives of LL.

I expect u to come to ur senses by the time u can actually have LL.
You think Coco Austin is hot, great for you. I don't, and I don't want to look like her.
What do I stand to benefit? Happiness. Is that not a good enough reason to do anything? What is the harm in me getting LL? You won't find me attractive? Surprise, my life isn't about you. I will do precisely as I desire, and since I stopped growing I've wanted longer legs.
A lot of people would tell you to just be happy the way you are and not go for LL, but everyone here respects you wanting to be taller, but because I'm female and desire to undergo the same procedure, I get jumped because this forum is "for short men" and this procedure is "for short men."
Newsflash. I get paid less and treated worse in society just for being female, and if I really hated being female so much I would get sex reassignment surgery. I wouldn't tell others to just "be happy" about who they are, because there are valid reasons to not be happy. And not being happy with yourself is fine, but you have two options: Live with it and try to learn to love it, or try to change it and make yourself happy that way. I respect your decision to do either one of those things, so I'm going to need you to respect mine.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Terry1988 on September 04, 2013, 02:32:44 PM
this makes as much sense as a 5'10 guy with a relaltively short torso planning to shorten his legs and end up being 5'4.

All so he can be proportionally short.

Have u seen Coco.s body (Ice T's wife)

she is short but has long torso. some might say her legs r stumpy but many women wish they were in her shoes. I am one of many ppl out there who think she is really HOT.

Proportions are overated!!

I looked her up on Google Images and my first impression was thinking she is a transsexual.

Quote
Dont waste ur money (over 100K). avoid being disabled for months and move on with ur life.  Do u know how many months u will be walking with ballerina and a gait. What good would ur portions be when u spend 2 years and maybe more limping around on crutches.

If it makes her happy, then it's hardly a waste.

Quote
What about other long therm issues like athritis that u could get from LL later on in ur life.

Doesn't seem to concern you, though, does it?

Quote
LL is for short men like me (163cm) who will benefit both socially and sometimes even financially because of heightism.

No it is not. Leg lengthening was not exclusively developed for you and men like you. I don't understand why you got this impression. Cosmetic surgery is exists for anyone who wants it. It's there to make people feel comfortable with their bodies, which is the exact reason why we all are considering this surgery. I get the impression you feel extremely insecure about yourself knowing that a taller woman is considering this surgery - that's your problem, not her's. Get over your victim complex and realise everyone is out to get you.

Quote
I dont see what u stand to gain from putting up with the negatives of LL.

Feeling secure about herself - the same reason why you're doing this.

Quote
I expect u to come to ur senses by the time u can actually have LL.

She doesn't need to. Leg lengthening will make her feel better about her body and more power to her. You're an extremely insecure man, Andre. Dictating how people live their lives isn't going to help you overcome your insecurities about yourself, you just need to man up and stop being a little cry-baby.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 04, 2013, 05:45:06 PM
wow MMT is very interesting atm.

a chick who is 5'6 (good height) is planning to increase her height to 6'0.
lol...



I dont understand this either but we are asking her to throw up a few photos of her from the neck down so we can see why its imperative.

If she wants to go from 5ft 6 to 5ft 8 or 9 max then ok but I think 5ft 6 is a fantastic height for a woman. She is the most desirable female in the world. Same with a guy who is 6ft even.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 04, 2013, 07:45:17 PM
I dont understand this either but we are asking her to throw up a few photos of her from the neck down so we can see why its imperative.

If she wants to go from 5ft 6 to 5ft 8 or 9 max then ok but I think 5ft 6 is a fantastic height for a woman. She is the most desirable female in the world. Same with a guy who is 6ft even.
I've explained why I won't put up pictures at the moment. I am in the middle of an extreme weight loss journey, and before I'm comfortable posting pictures of myself I need a lot of excess skin removed.
I do not particularly care if I'm "desirable" to you. Being attractive to the masses is the not goal. Being attractive to myself is. All I wanted to know was whether a 5'11" woman would be considered freakish. Now that I have gotten a general "no" I am comfortable with the decision to move forward by dedicating a savings account for this surgery.
After I have the excess skin removed, I will oblige you and post a photo of myself with a mock-up, however I don't know how long that's going to take because I want to complete my weight loss before I get that surgery. If you wish, I will take a photo of a woman with similar measurements, and layer it over mine so I can photoshop it to my personal dimensions. That way the proportions will be the same, but it will be a different body.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on September 04, 2013, 07:47:53 PM
I've explained why I won't put up pictures at the moment. I am in the middle of an extreme weight loss journey, and before I'm comfortable posting pictures of myself I need a lot of excess skin removed.
I do not particularly care if I'm "desirable" to you. Being attractive to the masses is the not goal. Being attractive to myself is. All I wanted to know was whether a 5'11" woman would be considered freakish. Now that I have gotten a general "no" I am comfortable with the decision to move forward by dedicating a savings account for this surgery.
After I have the excess skin removed, I will oblige you and post a photo of myself with a mock-up, however I don't know how long that's going to take because I want to complete my weight loss before I get that surgery. If you wish, I will take a photo of a woman with similar measurements, and layer it over mine so I can photoshop it to my personal dimensions. That way the proportions will be the same, but it will be a different body.

Alixanderia, I think you just need to accept the fact that most people will not understand your desire to lengthen your legs no matter how many times or how thoroughly you explain it, particularly men who have a starting height similar to yours or lower.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 04, 2013, 09:09:02 PM
I've explained why I won't put up pictures at the moment. I am in the middle of an extreme weight loss journey, and before I'm comfortable posting pictures of myself I need a lot of excess skin removed.
I do not particularly care if I'm "desirable" to you. Being attractive to the masses is the not goal. Being attractive to myself is. All I wanted to know was whether a 5'11" woman would be considered freakish. Now that I have gotten a general "no" I am comfortable with the decision to move forward by dedicating a savings account for this surgery.
After I have the excess skin removed, I will oblige you and post a photo of myself with a mock-up, however I don't know how long that's going to take because I want to complete my weight loss before I get that surgery. If you wish, I will take a photo of a woman with similar measurements, and layer it over mine so I can photoshop it to my personal dimensions. That way the proportions will be the same, but it will be a different body.

I am married so being attractive to me is relevant. I dont know where you got that from. I am talking society norms. . You could tell me you only like man 7ft tall so you need to be 6ft 6. Doesnt make it an accepted norm for most people.

I think it is important for us to realize the long term implications of what we are doing. Not just to satisfy what we think today, but where we will be in our lives later on as well.

No you wouldnt look freakish at 5ft 11 like I stated in my previous post.  Just accept the consequences that go with it.

 If you want to do a mock up of what you look like so we can see where you are coming from great. I am certain the others would like to see it.  :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 04, 2013, 11:49:11 PM
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1853/jvg3.png)

Clearly labeled. The arms were a little difficult to get right, but I have a 173cm wingspan. Otherwise, the proportions are correct. I used the gimp measuring tool to make sure.
I have short tibiae, so if I wasn't capable of getting the full 14cm, I would still want 7cm on the tibia.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TomD on September 05, 2013, 12:28:16 AM
The 181 looks the best. I see your dilemma .   :o?

Thank you for going to this effort. I am giving you a +1 applaud point  8)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 05, 2013, 12:36:21 AM
The 181 looks the best. I see your dilemma .   :o?

Thank you for going to this effort. I am giving you a +1 applaud point  8)
Thanks, I'm sorry if I got on the defensive. :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 173to180 on September 05, 2013, 01:37:41 AM
Why did you feel the need to photoshop an hourglass figure on an anonymous forum. Can kind of sympathize given some cunts are attacking you but really?




Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 05, 2013, 01:40:08 AM
Why did you feel the need to photoshop an hourglass figure on an anonymous forum. Can kind of sympathize given some cunts are attacking you but really?



Like I said up there, that's not my body. I layered it over an image of my body and photoshopped it to look like my body. That's going to give the best impression of how longer legs will look on *my* body.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: alixanderia on September 05, 2013, 01:41:32 AM
If I was photoshopping for looks, that would have bigger hips and better thighs.  :D But it was all about making it look like my own body to give the best perception.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Distill Spirit on September 26, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpL7avzsGXY

Here Are four guys standing with their arms by their sides.  It's almost too perfect.  skip to the 30 second mark and make your proportion judgments.
 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Distill Spirit on September 26, 2013, 08:06:35 PM
(http://britishpathe.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/tallest-man-in-history.jpg)

World's tallest man seems a bit leggy to me.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on September 26, 2013, 08:19:53 PM
Wow. That guy is all leg. LOL.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: devon on September 26, 2013, 08:37:01 PM
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/1853/jvg3.png)

Clearly labeled. The arms were a little difficult to get right, but I have a 173cm wingspan. Otherwise, the proportions are correct. I used the gimp measuring tool to make sure.
I have short tibiae, so if I wasn't capable of getting the full 14cm, I would still want 7cm on the tibia.

181 cm: The long legs and shorter torso looks great on females, but arms are looking shortish and will probably look shorter in movement.

I think something between 174 and 181 is best compromise, maybe 177.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: crazy+6 on September 26, 2013, 08:39:17 PM
181 cm: The long legs and shorter torso looks great on females, but arms are looking shortish and will probably look shorter in movement.

I think something between 174 and 181 is best compromise, maybe 177.


I think 174 Cm to 176 Cm would be best for you.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Distill Spirit on October 01, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
hxxp: bookshelvesofdoom. blogs. com/. a/6a00d8345169e469e20168e507d210970c-pi

I've been looking at this poster almost every day for three years at my library.  Turns out John Hutcherson is a pretty short guy (167 cm according to IMDB), but this poster puts him at least two inches above Jennifer Lawrence (172 cm).  I never noticed a thing until I learned how short he is.  This has really made me think differently about proportions. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Quixotic on October 01, 2013, 06:40:49 PM
hxxp: bookshelvesofdoom. blogs. com/. a/6a00d8345169e469e20168e507d210970c-pi

I've been looking at this poster almost every day for three years at my library.  Turns out John Hutcherson is a pretty short guy (167 cm according to IMDB), but this poster puts him at least two inches above Jennifer Lawrence (172 cm).  I never noticed a thing until I learned how short he is.  This has really made me think differently about proportions. 

Josh is 165cm.  They've just photoshopped him in to look taller in that/he's wearing lifts or standing on something.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Distill Spirit on October 01, 2013, 06:45:23 PM
I had been looking at that poster for years and never noticed any proportion problems.  Weird how the mind works.  I guess I had been focusing on height in general, and I assume most people do as well. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: vikingsfan on November 12, 2013, 01:19:28 AM
Would anyone mind making 2 mockups for me (I don't have photoshop).  One with 5cm added to my femurs and the second with 7. 5cm added to my femurs.  Thanks in advance!

(http://hxxp: i40. tinypic. com/s64mdg. jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Sweden on November 12, 2013, 04:20:16 AM
(http://i40.tinypic.com/s64mdg.jpg)


Your provided link is inaccurate, but I fixed it.


------------

You are as proportionate as one should be. Do 5cm on tibias if you need to do LL.
First off you have to get in shape. There is easily +15kg of pure junk you need to get rid of before starting this. And get flexible!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: vikingsfan on November 12, 2013, 05:24:24 AM
Thanks for fixing it and I agree regarding about getting in shape (working on it lol). So you think lengthening my femurs would make me look disproportionate? According to my measurements, I have a 54:46 femur:tibia ratio so I think adding 5cm would be fine. 7.5 may be pushing it


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: vikingsfan on November 12, 2013, 05:25:03 AM
Also worth noting that I probably wouldn't have surgery until 2018


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on November 13, 2013, 08:48:48 PM
Sweden is right on the money here. It it much less expensive to lengthen tibias, and from the angle of that photo it looks like your tibias have more room for lengthening than your femurs do. Doing 5 CM on your tibias would be very safe. Doing 7.5 CM on your tibias would involve more risks and might be a bit too much but if you are willing to sacrifice perfect proportions for a little more height it would probably be doable. I would not lengthen more than 7.5 CM in your tibias.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: vikingsfan on November 14, 2013, 05:44:51 PM
Thanks for the advice Sweden and SysOp!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: vikingsfan on November 14, 2013, 08:56:50 PM
Sweden is right on the money here. It it much less expensive to lengthen tibias, and from the angle of that photo it looks like your tibias have more room for lengthening than your femurs do. Doing 5 CM on your tibias would be very safe. Doing 7.5 CM on your tibias would involve more risks and might be a bit too much but if you are willing to sacrifice perfect proportions for a little more height it would probably be doable. I would not lengthen more than 7.5 CM in your tibias.

I've read that the recovery for tibias is typically longer and doctors generally recommend lengthening femurs rather than tibias. What are your thoughts on this notion?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Sweden on November 15, 2013, 05:31:37 AM
I've read that the recovery for tibias is typically longer and doctors generally recommend lengthening femurs rather than tibias. What are your thoughts on this notion?

It's your choice.
5cm on tibias look much better than 5 extra cm on femurs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Egotistical on November 20, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
Has anyone actually thought of just decreasing height off someone tall just to widen the spectrum a bit?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rains on November 20, 2013, 02:23:59 AM
I envy the girls, most of them have short back and long arms, once they did the LL it's just perfect.

Guys are long-backed and short arms, just the opposite, add on more inches and we'd through the proportion out of the window.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on November 20, 2013, 01:51:12 PM
I envy the girls, most of them have short back and long arms, once they did the LL it's just perfect.

Guys are long-backed and short arms, just the opposite, add on more inches and we'd through the proportion out of the window.

Arms are definitely a limiting factor for most of us to how much we can lengthen. The truth though is that if you lengthen a reasonable amount the length of your arms won't matter much.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: pattymatty2 on December 02, 2013, 02:29:36 PM
Quote from: alixanderia link=topic=63. msg86015#msg86015 date=1378246582
Look, if I could shorten my torso and lengthen my legs I would.    :D but as it stands, the only way for me to achieve happiness with my body would be to lengthen my legs and just grow taller as a result.  I know plenty of women very happy with their tall stature, and tbh I would probably like being tall over being average.  Tall women aren't undateable, as some people tend to think.  The tallest girl I ever knew, aside from my aunt, was 6'2" and she extremely popular and is now married with two kids, to a wonderful man who is 5'10".  And of course, I've said it before, if a person won't date me because of my height, then I don't want to date them anyway.
I was honestly just wanting to know if people would consider me a "freak" or "too tall" at 5'11".

Hi Alixanderia, I know a lot of women around this height (5'11"), and none of them are considered too tall or freakish.  Finding a taller guy is actually not that hard for them either.  I do agree with the posts here that arm length is definitely a limiting factor. 
I applaud you for wanting to do leg lengthening for yourself.  I want to do it too for the same reason.  I wish you and everyone here a successful leg lengthening!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: jenslarsen on December 02, 2013, 06:11:05 PM
It simply depends on where you live. As a 5'11" woman you would really stand out in places like Asia or Latin America. In the Netherlands, Central Europe and Scandinavia, people wouldn't even think about it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littlegirl on February 22, 2014, 09:25:32 PM
Hi,

I am 5'4" and I would like to gain 2 to 3 inches.  I would like to do internal Femur PRECICE.
What do you guys think about my tibia and femur?

(http://i.imgur.com/BvDQLtJ.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheJoker on February 22, 2014, 09:55:57 PM
Hi,

I am 5'4" and I would like to gain 2 to 3 inches.  I would like to do internal Femur PRECICE.
What do you guys think about my tibia and femur?

(http://i.imgur.com/BvDQLtJ.jpg)
5'4 is a great hight for girls,you have any idea how painful this is going to be?? I don't even know what to say...O_O your tibia is long enough go for femur.My advice don't do it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Hanna on February 22, 2014, 10:09:38 PM
Hi littlegirl!

I guess you can do 2-3 inch, proportionwise. Another positive side effect for us girls is, that the legs become leaner, I experienced that myself though I didn't loose much weight during lengthening.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on February 22, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
from what i see and personal preference go for tibias. however the ideal would be both tibias and femurs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: LordSyko on February 22, 2014, 10:15:12 PM
5'4 is a great hight for girls,you have any idea how painful this is going to be?? I don't even know what to say...O_O your tibia is long enough go for femur.My advice don't do it.

If you're concerned about pain then why are you considering leg lengthening surgery?

5' 4" isn't a great height for girls, it's an average height. A great would be taller then that.
---------------------

Littlegirl, I think you need to take another photo and straighten your legs this time.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheJoker on February 22, 2014, 11:49:50 PM
If you're concerned about pain then why are you considering leg lengthening surgery?

5' 4" isn't a great height for girls, it's an average height. A great would be taller then that.
---------------------

Littlegirl, I think you need to take another photo and straighten your legs this time.
LOL,I'm not average even in China,LOL,THAT"S WHY.She's average and doing this for average ppl doesn't have any advantages overall,being average or tall doesn't make that much difference in anyone's life.that's why I'm doing this.It's not nose job or boob job,If I was 5'9 I would never think about doing this,never...And btw 'A great' is not sth bigger than everyone,it is sth that make you happy and it's not smaller than everyone.DING DONG.A great height can be average too.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Hanna on February 23, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
It depends on where you live. Where I live 5'4" is considered small for a girl, so I can absolutely understand her. LL is always a very personal decision. Here are a few guys  that are even above average that consider LL, why not? Everyone has his own reasons and I guess nobody would do such an expensive and high-risk surgery "just for fun".
And she's not here to justify, but to discuss her proportions.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: That_Guy on February 23, 2014, 01:16:28 PM
It depends on where you live. Where I live 5'4" is considered small for a girl, so I can absolutely understand her. LL is always a very personal decision. Here are a few guys  that are even above average that consider LL, why not? Everyone has his own reasons and I guess nobody would do such an extensive and high-risk surgery "just for fun".

Couldn't of said this any better Hanna.
I'm 179/180cm depending what part of the day & where I'm from I am slightly taller then the average male..
I too though am considering LL!
As you said we all have our reasons and no one would go through the whole journey just for a laugh. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheJoker on February 23, 2014, 01:22:37 PM
It depends on where you live. Where I live 5'4" is considered small for a girl, so I can absolutely understand her. LL is always a very personal decision. Here are a few guys  that are even above average that consider LL, why not? Everyone has his own reasons and I guess nobody would do such an expensive and high-risk surgery "just for fun".
And she's not here to justify, but to discuss her proportions.

Where are you from ? /:


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Hanna on February 23, 2014, 01:23:31 PM
North of Germany (here average for a girl is 1.67m)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheJoker on February 23, 2014, 01:42:07 PM
North of Germany (here average for a girl is 1.67m)
Yup,you're right,it's 1.68 not 1.67..But height is not a big deal for girls,believe me ,it's not as other things,no tall men gives a shi* about a girl height,height is a different subject for poor short men,I've seen a billion tall dudes w short girls but they are usually really hot.Being hot is sth for girls and something lease for dudes.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Hanna on February 23, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
I did the surgery for myself, to feel comfortable in my body, not for men. That's what I meant in my previous post, we all have our different, personal reasons.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: LordSyko on February 23, 2014, 02:18:29 PM
LOL,I'm not average even in China,LOL,THAT"S WHY.She's average and doing this for average ppl doesn't have any advantages overall,being average or tall doesn't make that much difference in anyone's life.

She's might live in the Holland where the average for a woman is 5' 7". Did you take that into consideration? No because you're an insecure and ignorant knucklehead. There are plenty of advantages of being tall:

1. Modeling career
2. Get more attention
3. Long legs
4. Looking over people heads a concerts
5. Tall people get served quicker a packed bars/nightclubs
6. feeling more comfortable with her body

Quote
that's why I'm doing this.It's not nose job or boob job,If I was 5'9 I would never think about doing this,never...And btw 'A great' is not sth bigger than everyone,it is sth that make you happy and it's not smaller than everyone.DING DONG.

What about the pain? Why did you mention pain to her? If pain is a worry for you, perhaps you should accept being short and take up a hobby, like bodybuilding or mixed martial arts, to make you feel like more of a man?

No, a great height is bigger than average, there's nothing great about being average. Being average is mediocrity - there's nothing special about it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on February 23, 2014, 02:28:37 PM
Silly comments Lol LL should only make you feel better regardless of what height you start with or finish. Girl, at the end of the day it is your body your decision no matter what everyone else says. Do it to please your self not others!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheJoker on February 23, 2014, 02:49:21 PM
She's might live in the Holland where the average for a woman is 5' 7". Did you take that into consideration? No because you're an insecure and ignorant knucklehead. There are plenty of advantages of being tall:

1. Modeling career
2. Get more attention
3. Long legs
4. Looking over people heads a concerts
5. Tall people get served quicker a packed bars/nightclubs
6. feeling more comfortable with her body

What about the pain? Why did you mention pain to her? If pain is a worry for you, perhaps you should accept being short and take up a hobby, like bodybuilding or mixed martial arts, to make you feel like more of a man?

No, a great height is bigger than average, there's nothing great about being average. Being average is mediocrity - there's nothing special about it.
Yes sir! you're right.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 03, 2014, 11:29:16 PM
My standing height is about 158. 75-159. 00
my wing span is about 169-170, so about 11 cm longer
After LL I want about 173-175
What do you guy think?
also I want to do 3 inch on( Femur and Tibia) each.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 04, 2014, 12:21:32 AM
(http://imageshack.com/a/img600/6991/uth6.jpg)

I'n not sure how to change the image so will someone be kind enough to adjust the image for 3 inch on the femur and tibia each.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on March 04, 2014, 01:59:58 AM
You do have long arms, so you should be able to lengthen more than the average person and still look good.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 04, 2014, 04:27:21 AM
Quote from: SysOp link=topic=63. msg94646#msg94646 date=1393898398
You do have long arms, so you should be able to lengthen more than the average person and still look good.
do you think its possible for me to add the 6 inches ?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MiracleGrow on March 04, 2014, 05:26:36 AM
This is just my personal opinion, so don't let it be the deciding factor in your choice, but I think your torso is already slightly too short, proportionally. Gain any more height in the legs and you may look funny, but only while you're shirtless. Your arms are more than long enough for a 4 inch gain, though.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 04, 2014, 01:02:30 PM
This is just my personal opinion, so don't let it be the deciding factor in your choice, but I think your torso is already slightly too short, proportionally. Gain any more height in the legs and you may look funny, but only while you're shirtless. Your arms are more than long enough for a 4 inch gain, though.

wow very interesting case!!))) very enormous arms! short torso and normal length of legs!! im very curious to se how he would look after lengthening!!!! can anyone use photoshop to see how he would look after lengthening!) i havent seen bodies like him doing LL

Rgkey


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 04, 2014, 06:40:14 PM
Quote from: MiracleGrow link=topic=63. msg94657#msg94657 date=1393910796
This is just my personal opinion, so don't let it be the deciding factor in your choice, but I think your torso is already slightly too short, proportionally.  Gain any more height in the legs and you may look funny, but only while you're shirtless.  Your arms are more than long enough for a 4 inch gain, though. 
ye I noticed the same thing, its weird I got long arms but a short torso.  The way i took the picture, and me not working out my stomach might make the picture look worse.  I'm going to hit the gym again and reduce the amount of belly  fat to see if things look slightly better.  Anyway do you think i might be able to pull 5'8?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 04, 2014, 07:11:19 PM
ye I noticed the same thing, its weird I got long arms but a short torso.  The way i took the picture, and me not working out my stomach might make the picture look worse.  I'm going to hit the gym again and reduce the amount of belly  fat to see if things look slightly better.  Anyway do you think i might be able to pull 5'8?

I think you should play with photoshop or some program to see how you will look after lengthening. The problem is that your legs are already kinda long comparing to ypur torso but your arms are much longer.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 05, 2014, 03:52:03 AM
Quote from: Rgkey link=topic=63. msg94709#msg94709 date=1393960279
I think you should play with photoshop or some program to see how you will look after lengthening.  The problem is that your legs are already kinda long comparing to ypur torso but your arms are much longer.
after playing around with paint
I got This:
https://imagizer. imageshack. us/v2/599x489q90/811/jt1y. jpg

And this is the old picture:
https://imagizer. imageshack. us/v2/652x489q90/600/uth6. jpg


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 05, 2014, 03:57:12 AM
New:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img811/7420/jt1y.jpg)

Old:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img600/6991/uth6.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 05, 2014, 04:12:20 AM
it is a very interesting case. i saw your picture, judging from the picture, at least for me, your legs look a little too long, but maybe in movement and with clothes on you look completely fine)))



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 05, 2014, 04:27:52 AM
Haha ye that pic is with 6 inches on me, see if I walk in public it will look perfect but I wont be able to wear shorts again :/
so I might have to decrease it by 2 inch.  I have a friend who's about 6'1, 6'2 yet his torso is probably about 5 cm longer then mine, But he's got a long neck to kinda make up for it. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 06, 2014, 02:15:47 AM
it is a very interesting case. i saw your picture, judging from the picture, at least for me, your legs look a little too long, but maybe in movement and with clothes on you look completely fine)))



After taking some of your advice I tried 2 different heights.
1)original
2)4 inches taller
3)6 inches taller
I'm hopefully going to redo these pictures after a core workout for a month to see if it looks any better.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img833/2174/urmc.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 06, 2014, 02:40:24 AM
So I decided to try some spine stretch, last time I added half an inch to my permanent height. hopefully this time I will be able to get a full inch of permanent.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Grinder on March 08, 2014, 08:03:37 PM
So I decided to try some spine stretch, last time I added half an inch to my permanent height. hopefully this time I will be able to get a full inch of permanent.

Sorry to break it to you, but spine stretching is not gonna do anything to your permanent height. IFAIK no reseach have shown spine streching adding any permanent height. Wish it did.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 09, 2014, 06:38:07 AM
Sorry to break it to you, but spine stretching is not gonna do anything to your permanent height. IFAIK no reseach have shown spine streching adding any permanent height. Wish it did.
I did get a permanent half inch, but it could have been some very tiny growth before my bone fused. :/


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 09, 2014, 08:22:34 AM
I did get a permanent half inch, but it could have been some very tiny growth before my bone fused. :/

in how long?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littlegirl on March 10, 2014, 10:41:58 AM
Quote from: TheJoker link=topic=63. msg94197#msg94197 date=1393106157
5'4 is a great hight for girls,you have any idea how painful this is going to be?? I don't even know what to say. . . O_O your tibia is long enough go for femur. My advice don't do it.

I have all the the idea how painful it is.  5'4" is not that great height.  Thanks for input.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littlegirl on March 10, 2014, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Hanna84 link=topic=63. msg94198#msg94198 date=1393106978
Hi littlegirl!

I guess you can do 2-3 inch, proportionwise.  Another positive side effect for us girls is, that the legs become leaner, I experienced that myself though I didn't loose much weight during lengthening.

Thank you Hanna, It is very soothing when the reply come from a girl who already did this surgery successfully.
My target is 3 inches and most likely I will do Precice.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littlegirl on March 10, 2014, 10:46:25 AM
Quote from: Rgkey link=topic=63. msg94199#msg94199 date=1393107139
from what i see and personal preference go for tibias.  however the ideal would be both tibias and femurs.

I am not sure if I want to do Precice in Tibia.  I would probably do LON in Tibia.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: littlegirl on March 10, 2014, 10:54:16 AM
Lastly, Thanks for kind reply everyone.  I am not a naive about pain and how discomfort this surgery is, I have done my research.

However, I am shocked to see discrimination between male & female in the discussion.  I am sorry, but I think I am stronger than most of the boys here who keep worrying about pain and spend time living in short height.  I do agree we need to do our research for selecting best possible doctor and device.  At the end, this is my decision to do surgery or not.

I would inform other people who think 5'4" is best height, Keep enjoying my picture.  Don't scare me.  Thank you :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 10, 2014, 01:47:27 PM
Lastly, Thanks for kind reply everyone.  I am not a naive about pain and how discomfort this surgery is, I have done my research.

I would inform other people who think 5'4" is best height, Keep enjoying my picture.  Don't scare me.  Thank you :)

Hey Little girl: just wanna give you my support and tell you that from my opinion you could do 3 inches and still look fine)))

whether or not you want to change something in your body that's completely your business. I don't think pain or fear should stop you from

doing what you want, like will smith said on his movie "people who tell you you can't do something is because they can not do it them self"

but I think is also important that you are realistic about the consequences of doing this. Firs of all there are no guaranties of anything. There are

complications and permanent shi* that could take your recovery for a long time or maybe you will never fully recover. Forget about pain, pain it

self should be the least of your worries, if you worry about pain or inconvenience or losing your job etc... then you shouldn't do this. Your priority

should be first your health and then growing then everything else . Get the right doctor, learn about all the complications that come with the device

that he uses. Be optimistic but always expect the worst. Just like going to a war. And again, pain and inconvenience should be at the bottom of your

worries.My recommendation, don't do it, because so many people regret it and have sad stories. Would I do it all over again? absolutely yes)))  So

if you made up your mind get in the right mind set!!))and if you go for tibias, do Ilizarov, as painful and inconvenient that it is, it is also the safest

way to go. I support you girl, and people that scare you, is probably because they are trying to look up for you, it's just a reflect of their own fear.

Rgkey



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Smitty1 on March 10, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
Lastly, Thanks for kind reply everyone.  I am not a naive about pain and how discomfort this surgery is, I have done my research.

However, I am shocked to see discrimination between male & female in the discussion.  I am sorry, but I think I am stronger than most of the boys here who keep worrying about pain and spend time living in short height.  I do agree we need to do our research for selecting best possible doctor and device.  At the end, this is my decision to do surgery or not.

I would inform other people who think 5'4" is best height, Keep enjoying my picture.  Don't scare me.  Thank you :)

You don't have to get scared but please read Sweden's diary. His recovery seems to be worst after one year, He is suffering daily with his ankle. I know some people hate me for saying this but his diary is the classic case of recovery problems. I respect him for sharing his experience.

Off the topic - I am enjoying your picture. ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 10, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
You don't have to get scared but please read Sweden's diary. His recovery seems to be worst after one year, He is suffering daily with his ankle. I know some people hate me for saying this but his diary is the classic case of recovery problems. I respect him for sharing his experience.

Off the topic - I am enjoying your picture. ;)

true but not only him (((((


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Nitetrogen70 on March 12, 2014, 08:53:02 AM
in how long?
took me about a month and any height after that went back.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 12, 2014, 05:52:13 PM
Hey guys, so I made a video of me walking with my 7cms lifts. I know the proportions of my tibias and femurs are all crazy but at

least to have an idea of what is me walking at around 178cms, and my proportions between my legs, arms and torso.

I know what I think, but please let me know what you all think, maybe Im missing something. Im actually considering wearing these

bad boys once I recover 50% from my Lengthening. Just let me know what you think in terms or my proportions between my torso

my arms and my legs in real movement. I know how pictures can be different from reality sometimes. Thank u in advance for your honesty))

And I know my walking sucks, so no need to refer to that)))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChzq8LGxBs


and this is a picture of me at around 177.5 178

(http://i.imgur.com/hQ2E8mjl.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: elvergalarga on March 13, 2014, 05:23:56 AM
Hello, look caught my attention the fact that we measure almost the same 1.63 ctms, but fail to see the video that was what estiraste? tibiae your or your femurs?
on the other hand with the shirt was not achieved much appreciate your long torso, as you measure your torso?

in the model on ctms 1.77, I think some sales proportions by your torso and give much more, I think, if anything realistically, your ctms 1.72 is more than enough.

my 2 cents


t5his is mee...what is your opinion?? im only can 5 or 7 ctms in 2 segments....

http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic, 5684.0.html


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: LordSyko on March 13, 2014, 03:29:03 PM
Your arms look a bit short but I doubt many people would notice.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 13, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
@El Verga Larga!? haha wtf!!
if i understood correctly you think 177-178 is too much for my torso and arms?? maybe yes, I'm still not completely sure, when I get my frames off Ill make another video of my walking at that height. cuidado que golpees el techo con esa verga tio lol

did you posted a picture, i didnt see it maybe i missed it, sorry ???


@LordSyko, yes, actually I still have mix feelings, I need to make a video with real waking and better clothes to appreciate better my real proportions. In any case I dont think it would be noticeable but i dont want to risk my good looks just to be taller lol


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on March 13, 2014, 07:27:30 PM
You look pretty normal actually. Don't lengthen too much on your femurs and you will look fine. You aren't even recovered yet and you are thinking about the next one. Height can sure be addictive can't it. :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 13, 2014, 07:31:51 PM
You look pretty normal actually. Don't lengthen too much on your femurs and you will look fine. You aren't even recovered yet and you are thinking about the next one. Height can sure be addictive can't it. :)

you are dam right, this shi* is addicting lol 8) I gotta be careful   


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 13, 2014, 07:50:04 PM
You look pretty normal actually. Don't lengthen too much on your femurs and you will look fine. You aren't even recovered yet and you are thinking about the next one. Height can sure be addictive can't it. :)

By the way what do u mean by lengthen too much??


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: crazy+6 on March 13, 2014, 10:43:56 PM
Hey guys, so I made a video of me walking with my 7cms lifts. I know the proportions of my tibias and femurs are all crazy but at

least to have an idea of what is me walking at around 178cms, and my proportions between my legs, arms and torso.

I know what I think, but please let me know what you all think, maybe Im missing something. Im actually considering wearing these

bad boys once I recover 50% from my Lengthening. Just let me know what you think in terms or my proportions between my torso

my arms and my legs in real movement. I know how pictures can be different from reality sometimes. Thank u in advance for your honesty))

And I know my walking sucks, so no need to refer to that)))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tChzq8LGxBs


and this is a picture of me at around 177.5 178

(http://i.imgur.com/hQ2E8mjl.jpg)

Your proportion is completely normal. what is your wingspan?
Proportion is illusion of mind, If you start thinking more about it- You will keep thinking about it.

Don't stress much about proportion unless you are way off from normal proportion. Focus on recovery and only recovery.

I saw your diary. Great work.

Good Luck & God bless
Crazy+6



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on March 14, 2014, 04:31:42 AM
Hi Crazy+6, yes thank you, i think u r right, proportions is more a visual thing, more than just numbers. I dont know my wingspan i think 169 or 170 but that might be off.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: elvergalarga on March 14, 2014, 06:21:03 AM
Rgkey....p9or lo k veo hablas espaol. si..me referia a que llegar a 1.78 ctms pienso yo que seria demasiado, digo, no se cuanto mida tu torso, pero si mides 1.63 ctms no se cuanto te mida tu torso, digo, en mi caso estoy en 84 ctms, 85 recien despertado, y bueno, no puedo aspirar mas que 4 ctms en femur y si acaso 3 en tibias, para lograr un total de 1.70 ctms y ya,, no mas, aunque aca se esmeran en hacerte creer que el torso no importa, desde luego k importa y mucho, tanto para verte normal, como para ser agrdable a la vista del genero femenino, yo creo que ya en 1.72 estaras bien, otra cirugia para 1.78 aunque te verias mas alto, ya quedarias fuera de foco visual, y tus proporciones se verian ...distorsionadas...por cierto cuanto mide tu torso?

si, te puse unas fotos que deben estar como en la 3 era pagina de esta seccion de porporciones...el titulo es algo asi como help para tibiae y femur..alla estan mis fotos, si puedes checarlas y me das tu punto de vista, yo debo procede este ao con la cirugia comenzando ...con femur a 4 ctms...


RGkey, yes, to i saw you speak spanish, yor proporcions...to 1.77 ctms its tooo mooch for your torso, i think your are fine in 1.72 ctms, by te way, how long its your torso?


and yes...im too in the forum tunders place to elong te .........vergalarga ;D



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MAN-OF-STEEL on March 25, 2014, 12:52:51 PM
I don't understand the whole obsession with proportions.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rains on March 25, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Happy with my proportion.  I did 6.5 cm and people don't even see any difference. I will do 7 for femur if everything goes well for my recovery. My philosophy is dont be greedy.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Raidon on May 06, 2014, 06:56:30 PM
Hey guys,
I'm a new member on the forum, and please, forgive me my bad english, i don't speak it very well.  I'm thinking about the possibilty of LL and i'd like to ask for help from you about my options, my proportions, etc.  My height is ~171-172 cm, my wingspan is ~178-180, and my dream is, that i will be 180 cm tall.  So my plan is a 8-8,5 cm lengthning, but i don't know yet, which method would be the best.  I'm 20 years old and i like sport very much, and i'm a personal trainer btw. . .  I would like to do sports after the LL too, and i'm searching the best way to this goal.  A have two idea, the first is a ~5/5,5 cm lengthning on my femurs and later a ~3
/ 3,5 CM on my tibias, and the other idea is a ~7,5-8 cm lengthning on my femurs.  What do you think? (and also what you think about my proportions?)

First is my current height, the next is femur+ tibia lengthning (~8cm), and the last one is just femur lengthning (~8 cm)
(http://i.imgur.com/HMt0t7D.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on May 06, 2014, 09:11:51 PM
I've fixed your post.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on May 06, 2014, 09:28:28 PM
middle one looks perfect))


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on May 06, 2014, 10:53:08 PM
Hey guys,
I'm a new member on the forum, and please, forgive me my bad english, i don't speak it very well.  I'm thinking about the possibilty of LL and i'd like to ask for help from you about my options, my proportions, etc.  My height is ~171-172 cm, my wingspan is ~178-180, and my dream is, that i will be 180 cm tall.  So my plan is a 8-8,5 cm lengthning, but i don't know yet, which method would be the best.  I'm 20 years old and i like sport very much, and i'm a personal trainer btw. . .  I would like to do sports after the LL too, and i'm searching the best way to this goal.  A have two idea, the first is a ~5/5,5 cm lengthning on my femurs and later a ~3
/ 3,5 CM on my tibias, and the other idea is a ~7,5-8 cm lengthning on my femurs.  What do you think? (and also what you think about my proportions?)

First is my current height, the next is femur+ tibia lengthning (~8cm), and the last one is just femur lengthning (~8 cm)
(http://i.imgur.com/HMt0t7D.jpg)

YOur femur LL is the best. If you increase the size of a LONGER thigh muscle than you will also look over all bigger. Notice in the pics you just look overall bigger in the 'post LL' pics


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Tall on May 07, 2014, 04:32:27 AM
YOur femur LL is the best. If you increase the size of a LONGER thigh muscle than you will also look over all bigger. Notice in the pics you just look overall bigger in the 'post LL' pics

Your proportions are fine for 180cm. Spilt it up between two segments, it looks better...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Raidon on May 07, 2014, 09:38:46 AM
Thank you guys for the answers! What do you think -if I do the F+T lengthening- how much time has to elapse between the two surgeries? If I do two surgeries, maybe the best option is an internal femur l.  and an external tibia l. , or?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on May 07, 2014, 11:29:51 AM
If you have cash and time you can do wonders my friend))


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on May 07, 2014, 05:09:36 PM
Thank you guys for the answers! What do you think -if I do the F+T lengthening- how much time has to elapse between the two surgeries? If I do two surgeries, maybe the best option is an internal femur l.  and an external tibia l. , or?

Do one at a time and you will get a good sense of what is going on.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheGhost on May 07, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
I don't fully understand why proportions matter so much? We all have our own definition of what 'perfect proportions' are, I see many people each day that I think have bad proportions, yet no one else notices.  The point is everyone is different, some people have really long torsos and short legs, others have really long legs and short torsos, etc. 

I'm beginning to think, should I even really worry about my proportions? Of course I'm not going to go to stupid extends where I look like a T-Rex, but realistically do you think proportions are that much of a big deal?

I'm planning on lengthening 6 inches through two operations, I know some of you will think I'm a 'dreamer' because I'm new here and already planning on 6 inches, but if I have the motivation, the money and the pain tolerance for it then it should be possible, right?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on May 07, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
I don't fully understand why proportions matter so much? We all have our own definition of what 'perfect proportions' are, I see many people each day that I think have bad proportions, yet no one else notices.  The point is everyone is different, some people have really long torsos and short legs, others have really long legs and short torsos, etc. 

I'm beginning to think, should I even really worry about my proportions? Of course I'm not going to go to stupid extends where I look like a T-Rex, but realistically do you think proportions are that much of a big deal?

I'm planning on lengthening 6 inches through two operations, I know some of you will think I'm a 'dreamer' because I'm new here and already planning on 6 inches, but if I have the motivation, the money and the pain tolerance for it then it should be possible, right?

We have 30 pages of posts about proportions in this thread for one reason: proportions are very important to some people, and not so important to other people. Some people actually do LL to have better proportions, while some people have LL knowing that their proportions will probably get worse, but they care only about getting taller. It is a very personal question that we all have to ask ourselves before choosing to undergo LL. Which is more important to you: perfect proportions, or being taller?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on May 08, 2014, 01:01:38 AM
The proportions topic is like the hottest topic on these forums, it is even hotter than LL it self!! hahaha


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MiracleGrow on May 08, 2014, 01:18:28 AM
For those of you who, like me, enjoy hoping to be proportionate at a much taller height, this gave me some hope:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yIACMvaKgNQ/ULdeEbY-6PI/AAAAAAAAAHY/TGrntPtlI_s/s1600/bodytypes+sports.PNG)

It looks like the 5'5 man has a longer torso than the 6'1 man, if the people are actually to scale with one another, that is.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: TheGhost on May 08, 2014, 09:58:58 AM
Quote from: SysOp link=topic=63. msg96674#msg96674 date=1399504219
We have 30 pages of posts about proportions in this thread for one reason: proportions are very important to some people, and not so important to other people.  Some people actually do LL to have better proportions, while some people have LL knowing that their proportions will probably get worse, but they care only about getting taller.  It is a very personal question that we all have to ask ourselves before choosing to undergo LL.  Which is more important to you: perfect proportions, or being taller?

True, for me I'd rather be taller and have bad proportions.  I think if people work on getting muscular legs after LL they can make their legs look smaller and in proportion to the rest of their body.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on May 08, 2014, 12:52:14 PM
Proportions are a part of how people look....they look 'good' or 'bad'. I think longer legs are good for most people (assuming the arms and torso aren't very short to start with). Plus you can always add bulk or reduce bulk through exercise and diet and that 'reshapes' the body, you can basically use your proportions even more.


Title: You may need to zoom out to view properly, how are my proportions?
Post by: yogaman on May 09, 2014, 07:05:38 AM
Check out my photoshop, how do the proportions looks

My image are kind of larger so you may want to zoom out of your screen some

First image original image

-height with normal shoes 166cm 5'5"

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/IMG_014431_zpse44d264b.jpg)

Second image

-height with 2. 5 inch elevator shoes, 7cm
-lengthed tibias 8cm
-lengthened femurs 8cm
-total height 185cm, 6'1"


Editing to improve proportions
-lengthened shirt
-lower pants crotch (can do the by buying larger pants, with larger crotch, then having the width and length of the other areas of the pants tailored to fit)

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/IMG_01493333_zps2afba4bf.jpg)


Third picture

Same modifications as the second, except i lengthened my biceps 2 inches, 5cm each, and lengthened my shirt sleeves

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/Copy2ofIMG_01491_zpscd2d1829.jpg)


How does it look?

Is the arm length in the second picture too off? I'm wondering because I would love to not have to lengthen my arms


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Hanna on May 09, 2014, 11:29:49 AM
In my opinion you should try a mock-up with less lengthening and without elevator shoes.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Andre01 on May 09, 2014, 11:37:53 AM
Your narrow shoulders and short arms make it look like ur original picture (first pic) is a mock-up.

You pictures clearly prove the importance of wing span over torso length.

the maximum u should lengthen is 8cm and then wear no lifts.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Raidon on May 09, 2014, 11:43:45 AM
Hey yogaman!
Yeah, your arms are not so long, how much is your wingspan and your sitting height? Maybe 175 cm would be a better goal, indeed.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Tall on May 09, 2014, 04:25:48 PM
Agreed, you look bad at 185CM.revise your goal to a more moderate amount of lengthening...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: yogaman on May 10, 2014, 04:09:52 AM
Quote from: Raidon link=topic=63. msg96711#msg96711 date=1399635825
Hey yogaman!
Yeah, your arms are not so long, how much is your wingspan and your sitting height? Maybe 175 cm would be a better goal, indeed. 

Wingspan is 165cm naturally, 175 with 2 inches added to each bicep

In the second and third photo I widened the bottom of my shirt, that is why my shoulders look so narrow.   I did not realize shoulder width was a big factor Ill just make one with a natural shirt and shorter lengthening

My sitting height is 91 inches I guess that is the only thing I have going for me.   Could i pull off teh third photo with 2 inches added to each bicep, I think its not perfect but doable but I being too biased?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Colossal-Cat on May 10, 2014, 04:27:21 AM
Hey Yogaman,

Like those who've replied to your first post, I have to agree that you may need to consider a more realistic goal (especially given proportions).  In addition, from what I've read on MMT, AL (Arm Lengthening) is not favored by those who have undergone LL, and it is understandable given the extra cost, stretching, time and pain and lack of overall 'gain' or benefit.

I'm not one to shoot someone's dreams down, I have no right or desire to do so.  Perhaps some before/after mockups without elevator shoes would be a good idea? With modest increase of tibia/fibia.

Best of luck regardless! :)



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Colossal-Cat on May 10, 2014, 04:32:33 AM
I meant to type tibia/femur.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: yogaman on May 10, 2014, 04:35:19 AM
Quote from: Colossal-Cat link=topic=63. msg96728#msg96728 date=1399696041
Hey Yogaman,

Like those who've replied to your first post, I have to agree that you may need to consider a more realistic goal (especially given proportions).   In addition, from what I've read on MMT, AL (Arm Lengthening) is not favored by those who have undergone LL, and it is understandable given the extra cost, stretching, time and pain and lack of overall 'gain' or benefit. 

I'm not one to shoot someone's dreams down, I have no right or desire to do so.   Perhaps some before/after mockups without elevator shoes would be a good idea? With modest increase of tibia/fibia. 

Best of luck regardless! :)




Yea I guess I was being too hopeful because I thought my 91 inch sitting height would help me out.  Thanks!



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: yogaman on May 10, 2014, 08:51:16 AM
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/CopyofIMG_0150-Recovered_zpsee5a0a9e.jpg)

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/Copy2ofIMG_0151_zpsced5a9ee.jpg)

How do they look now?  Honestly I like them, not perfect but the highest height with looking normal


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on May 10, 2014, 02:09:27 PM
If you like them, that's what really matters))))
I personally think you look better with less height just base on the pictures.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on May 11, 2014, 01:07:47 AM
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/CopyofIMG_0150-Recovered_zpsee5a0a9e.jpg)

(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a535/dowhatyouwant10/Copy2ofIMG_0151_zpsced5a9ee.jpg)

How do they look now?  Honestly I like them, not perfect but the highest height with looking normal

you look great. Now with the longest legs if you add upper body mass you will look REAL impressive, even bigger than you would be (illusion).


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: yogaman on May 11, 2014, 05:09:21 AM
Quote from: a1_z1 link=topic=63. msg96753#msg96753 date=1399770467
you look great.  Now with the longest legs if you add upper body mass you will look REAL impressive, even bigger than you would be (illusion).

I just finished college soccer career, so now I will be able to bulk up my upper body, like have for my legs.   Because a bigger upper body would make the look more congruent.   My legs are fairly big so they turned out fairly normal in the photo.   The photo with clothes I accidently made to tall so it should look better then it does.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: a1_z1 on May 11, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
I just finished college soccer career, so now I will be able to bulk up my upper body, like have for my legs.   Because a bigger upper body would make the look more congruent.   My legs are fairly big so they turned out fairly normal in the photo.   The photo with clothes I accidently made to tall so it should look better then it does.

Yo do realize that I was not saying that you have a small upper body currently, just that with longest of legs you will look even better with a bigger upper body.... BUT also build up your legs along with it for balance.
I have no way of knowing but I think after about a year or 2, longer LL legs would also be wider (overall bulkier) cause now there is more muscle in that area cause there is more bone. Just a theory. Maybe some of the veterans of LL can comment on this.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Colossal-Cat on May 11, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
Going through LL, your muscles stretch, they certainly do not get 'bigger' during the process. Even after full recovery it may take a long time for equivalent mass in ratio to leg size to be regained. Reading through a few of the LL Diaries shows that, depending on the apparatus and method used, a lot of weight can be lost (as is typical of any body-stressful surgery followed by recovery in hospital). I'm sure many of the more determined, body-educated (fitness/nutrition) individuals, are able to get back to their former muscle mass after their full recovery.

Of course, I haven't had LL, and I'm sure some people that have may not have lost any muscle; some may have possibly experienced muscle growth? Best to check with the Life after LL section as well as any diaries :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: yogaman on May 11, 2014, 08:02:34 PM
Quote from: a1_z1 link=topic=63. msg96767#msg96767 date=1399816458
Yo do realize that I was not saying that you have a small upper body currently, just that with longest of legs you will look even better with a bigger upper body. . . .  BUT also build up your legs along with it for balance. 
I have no way of knowing but I think after about a year or 2, longer LL legs would also be wider (overall bulkier) cause now there is more muscle in that area cause there is more bone.  Just a theory.  Maybe some of the veterans of LL can comment on this. 

I here ya man, okay thats for letting me know I misinterpreted your message.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: asfastaslight on June 05, 2014, 06:29:40 AM

This is me 165cm I work out a lot how would I look at 173cm femur lengthening?  With already having muscular calves I don't think the femur would be bad in reality my quads and hammies are HUGE put most of the pictures of my muscles shirt less and everything as I care more about the muscles in my legs (what happens to them) and my massive arms.   Though with forearm lengthening who is to say I couldn't do that? 

I have really small hands though my grandma is 5'1 and her hands are bigger than mine so that is the bigger problem oh well! 

(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/RUWyWL1. jpg)
(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/0NpDFzj. jpg)
(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/r68pnj8. jpg])
(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/iUV8Wt0)
(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/uXKzDBK. jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: coreatine on June 11, 2014, 01:48:52 AM
(http://hxxp: i. imgur. com/uEKIwtLl. jpg)

I'm thinking of doing 6 or 7cm on tibia. 

What do u guys think ?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: thatguy22 on June 20, 2014, 12:22:34 PM
Quote from: coreatine link=topic=63. msg97523#msg97523 date=1402451332
(http://hxxp: hxxp: i.  imgur.  com/uEKIwtLl.  jpg)

I'm thinking of doing 6 or 7cm on tibia.  

What do u guys think ?

Hard to tell.  I think you should try to do a mockup of tibia lengthening vs femur lengthening to get a better idea of what it would look like.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shortkid on July 04, 2014, 07:23:29 PM
(http://props.jpg)

I am planning on doing 8cm on my femurs. I think it will give me an inseam of around 51% percent :/ Also my wingspan doesn't seem very big.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shortkid on July 04, 2014, 07:28:35 PM
http://s112.photobucket.com/user/shortkid2/media/props_zps7ad0495f.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/shortkid2/media/props_zps7ad0495f.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)

Hopefully it works this time   :P   Anyway planning on doing 8cm on my femurs. It will give me an inseam of around 51%.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Leopitas on August 21, 2014, 09:22:21 PM
HEYYYYYY SUP FELLAS! Im so happy to be here and talk with people to know so much about this.   Well,  My name is  Leonardo castillo, I have 18 years old .    Im from venezuela so can be my english look pretty bad so I hope you will understand me. 

I measure 1.  65m, maybe a little more, like 1.  66m

This is my Story:

My brother and I (we are twins) want to do this surgery and add 3cm  on our tibias.   So fellas 3cm really dont look like a big change right? Only make me look a little higher right?

We want to do this surgery with the Dr Robert Rozbruchsr in new york.   We think he is a nice doctor and really prepared to do this surgery.   So we yesterday called from venezuela and attend me a girl who is his secretary and she gave me his email.   So i'm waiting his answer

Well fellas this is my case in general.   I dont know how expensive is this operation but Im gonna work and saving money for this.   

We are tired of be a short guys and we like to be just a little bit more tall.   I gonna this surgery for only 3cm on my tibias, I know, is a little,but just want look a few more tall. 


WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK?

PD: This is a repost of my case, I was post this in another topic, but not received any response, so I post again my case here. .  Looks more active


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: KirP1 on August 21, 2014, 10:51:41 PM
HEYYYYYY SUP FELLAS! Im so happy to be here and talk with people to know so much about this.   Well,  My name is  Leonardo castillo, I have 18 years old .    Im from venezuela so can be my english look pretty bad so I hope you will understand me. 

I measure 1.  65m, maybe a little more, like 1.  66m

This is my Story:9

My brother and I (we are twins) want to do this surgery and add 3cm  on our tibias.   So fellas 3cm really dont look like a big change right? Only make me look a little higher right?

We want to do this surgery with the Dr Robert Rozbruchsr in new york.   We think he is a nice doctor and really prepared to do this surgery.   So we yesterday called from venezuela and attend me a girl who is his secretary and she gave me his email.   So i'm waiting his answer

Well fellas this is my case in general.   I dont know how expensive is this operation but Im gonna work and saving money for this.   

We are tired of be a short guys and we like to be just a little bit more tall.   I gonna this surgery for only 3cm on my tibias, I know, is a little,but just want look a few more tall. 


WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK?

PD: This is a repost of my case, I was post this in another topic, but not received any response, so I post again my case here. .  Looks more active

Good way to waste your money . Your time and your healt. Seriously i dont know how normal IQ people could think so stupid things...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Sweden on August 21, 2014, 11:27:28 PM
Good way to waste your money . Your time and your healt. Seriously i dont know how normal IQ people could think so stupid things...

ROFLMAO  :D :D :D :D


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: wazzup on August 22, 2014, 12:33:10 AM
hello you all  ;D what do you think of my mock-ups.  My height is 1,65m and my arm span is 1,71m, when it comes to sitting height it's 88cm (but i have no but yet, which might add some extra cm)  ;)

Which one of the 3 mock ups is the best 1??? If i could only do 1 operation-> femurs or tibia(5 or 6,5cm)??

 In my opinion tibia might look better (when nude) but femurs seems more natural.  In addiction, I guess walking with +6,5tibia plus 3-5cm shoes will be too hard and even a bit akward, same when sitting next to someone with an extra 9 cm tibia.  On the other hand shoes will make femurs look normal.  So what do u think??   ???

https://unsee. cc/puremoti/


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Colossal-Cat on August 25, 2014, 09:33:11 AM
hello you all  ;D what do you think of my mock-ups.  My height is 1,65m and my arm span is 1,71m, when it comes to sitting height it's 88cm (but i have no but yet, which might add some extra cm)  ;)

Which one of the 3 mock ups is the best 1??? If i could only do 1 operation-> femurs or tibia(5 or 6,5cm)??

 In my opinion tibia might look better (when nude) but femurs seems more natural.  In addiction, I guess walking with +6,5tibia plus 3-5cm shoes will be too hard and even a bit akward, same when sitting next to someone with an extra 9 cm tibia.  On the other hand shoes will make femurs look normal.  So what do u think??   ???

https://unsee. cc/puremoti/


TL:DR Femur +6.5 looks best, you have a good physique.

Hey Wazzup,

Femurs +6.5 look the most natural to me, on a 'first look' impression, and again looking through the image more critically. It probably helps that you've got good muscle mass and definition.

I can't say that the far right looks 'natural', but this is said seeing an awkward posture, without clothing and without being able to see your head.

Your most concurrent thought is likely the one with which you would side. As to whether or not you are going to actually do this, I cannot say; but I wish you the best.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Leopitas on September 01, 2014, 03:05:43 AM
Quote from: MMTA link=topic=63. msg697#msg697 date=1160651770
Proportions Photos!

OK, it's the most popular question on the board at the moment - proportions.

Let's keep proportion discussions in here to keep the boards neat and tidy :)

One of the other patients here was kind enough to let me take a picture of his lower legs - which he has lengthened by 8. 8cm! (88mm). 

I repeat.  This guy has lengthened by 8. 8cm.  I took these pictures today when he came into my room to say hello.

(http://hxxp: www. makemetaller. org/assets/Mr Pink a. jpg)

(http://hxxp: www. makemetaller. org/assets/Mr Pink b. jpg)

He is still in the process of recovering, so he doesn't stand or walk a lot, but I'll try get more pictures of him soon.

This guy was 159cm before his operation and is now 168cm.  His legs look pretty good in my opinion, although he had a lot of complications along the way and didn't exercise for a couple of months, so he is spending another month recovering before he can walk fully unsupported.

His treatment took seven months and he had a lot of problems with pain and stuff, but this guy is a trooper and was determined to stick with the programme.

Now he walks with crutches and is also wearing the support frames that were made for him, which you can see in the picture.

He can't afford to stay in the hospital and has moved to a hotel, but the hospital let him come back every day to use the gym room and in my opinion, he is progressing really well.

When I get one of him standing, I'll get it posted up in this section for you.

I also hoping tomorrow get some of the female patients soon, and an Asian male model who is coming in tomorrow to get his nail taken out.

More photos soon! :)


who can give me your email, for some doubts that I have please.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shortkid on September 01, 2014, 04:42:34 AM
http://s112.photobucket.com/user/shortkid2/media/newprops_zps1decb7b0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/shortkid2/media/newprops_zps1decb7b0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)

8cm mockup thoughts?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: srimech123 on September 01, 2014, 08:56:21 AM
HEYYYYYY SUP FELLAS! Im so happy to be here and talk with people to know so much about this.   Well,  My name is  Leonardo castillo, I have 18 years old .    Im from venezuela so can be my english look pretty bad so I hope you will understand me. 

I measure 1.  65m, maybe a little more, like 1.  66m

This is my Story:

My brother and I (we are twins) want to do this surgery and add 3cm  on our tibias.   So fellas 3cm really dont look like a big change right? Only make me look a little higher right?

We want to do this surgery with the Dr Robert Rozbruchsr in new york.   We think he is a nice doctor and really prepared to do this surgery.   So we yesterday called from venezuela and attend me a girl who is his secretary and she gave me his email.   So i'm waiting his answer

Well fellas this is my case in general.   I dont know how expensive is this operation but Im gonna work and saving money for this.   

We are tired of be a short guys and we like to be just a little bit more tall.   I gonna this surgery for only 3cm on my tibias, I know, is a little,but just want look a few more tall. 


WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK?

PD: This is a repost of my case, I was post this in another topic, but not received any response, so I post again my case here. .  Looks more active

I suggest doing MORE than 3cm. Go for something like 6 or 7 cm AT LEAST.
3cm won't make much difference at all, particularly for that kind of money.  Double that amount WILL make a better difference.

Just out of interest: are you identical twins?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Insane on September 01, 2014, 10:21:27 PM
I suggest doing MORE than 3cm. Go for something like 6 or 7 cm AT LEAST.
3cm won't make much difference at all, particularly for that kind of money.  Double that amount WILL make a better difference.

Just out of interest: are you identical twins?

6-7 CM at least? I thought that should be at most.
Why does everyone pushes people to lengthen more than what they will be happy with?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shortkid on September 01, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
Insane how are you after your 2nd surgery


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Insane on September 01, 2014, 10:54:48 PM
http://s112.photobucket.com/user/shortkid2/media/newprops_zps1decb7b0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0 (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/shortkid2/media/newprops_zps1decb7b0.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0)

8cm mockup thoughts?

Does it matter what anyone says? Are you going to lengthen less because you look disproportional?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rgkey on September 02, 2014, 12:29:10 AM
Does it matter what anyone says? Are you going to lengthen less because you look disproportional?

hehe that's right lol


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: srimech123 on September 02, 2014, 06:24:04 PM
6-7 CM at least? I thought that should be at most.
Why does everyone pushes people to lengthen more than what they will be happy with?

6-7cm is ideal, considering the costs.  But even so, 3cm is not enough for such an expensive painful surgery


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Leopitas on September 08, 2014, 10:39:48 PM
Quote from: MMTA link=topic=63. msg719#msg719 date=1160759904
I'm with you, JFK  8)

Hey man, how you doing? What do you think is the best option for start ? I mean tibias or femur, first I want 3 in my tibias and then 3-4 years after i want three more y my femurs.  But you know what do you think about that? what is the best option?  what is the part less noticeable?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: robinking44 on September 16, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
Hey guys if i am 166cm and and have a 177. 8cm wingspan and i am going to lengthen to my wingspan but since it will only be 5cm from my goal of 6ft i think i am going to lengthen 5cm past my wingspan do you guys think that will make me disportionate?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: srimech123 on September 17, 2014, 12:41:25 AM
Hey guys if i am 166cm and and have a 177. 8cm wingspan and i am going to lengthen to my wingspan but since it will only be 5cm from my goal of 6ft i think i am going to lengthen 5cm past my wingspan do you guys think that will make me disportionate?

To be perfectly honest, you could be 6' with a 5'10 wingspan and get away with it.  But don't think too much about height as a number.  Think about how you'll be taller once you've left the hospital.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: wazzup on September 29, 2014, 11:12:17 PM
I know i still need to do the X-Rays  but what do you think of this mock ups with extra 7cm? I would love if you could share your opinions even if it is just a "femur looks better" or a "tibia looks better. "  ;D

I only want to decide, the soon as possible, what are my goals and if I should aim for tibia or femurs.  Then i must focus 100% on college, but it is impossible to do so if I keep thinking about leg lenghtening 24/7.

In my opinion and from what was said before I think femurs might look better.  I was planning on going to Dr.  Guichet to lenghten between 6-7cm but that only the time will say  :P

https://unsee. cc/gemasido


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Tall on September 30, 2014, 03:37:55 AM
Femurs look the best from looking at your photos.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: aerys01 on October 29, 2014, 09:15:08 AM
hello guys

what do you think would be enough for 12 thousand euros in Russia in a 5cm surgery?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: sheida.iri on October 29, 2014, 05:23:54 PM
hi I'm new here.   please tell me your idea about my proportions. 
my height is 154 night
                  155 in the morning
my wingspan is 156-157.   I don't know the exactly
I want 5-6 cm on my femur so I got 160.   but my goal is 165 unfortunately I think its a little weird to do that. 
I'm Asian.   average female height in our country is 160.   
Sorry about my bad English speaking.   because it not my mother language of course.  .  .  .  .  . 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ashton on November 08, 2014, 04:12:25 AM
Quote from: anonymous1 link=topic=63. msg698#msg698 date=1160667994
i'm sorry but the photo i useless in talking about proportions if the patient isn't standing up and looking straight at the camera.  also he must be wearing tight-fitted clothing (maybe some small shorts and a tight t-shirt) to really see if the proportions are noticeable.  can't do anything with this photo.

Agree with Anonymous1


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 12, 2014, 02:53:46 AM
Hey people, I'd like your opinion on this. Two photos down below, in the first one I'm at my current height of 5'6'' standing barefoot on the floor, and the in the second photo I'm standing on a 7 inch tall Rolykit which makes me 6'1'' while on top of it ( I edited out the Rolykit to make the ''illusion'' of me being taller in the photo more real). What do you guys think about my proportions? Would I need arm lengthening or something?

(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b523/Camo9306/IMG_25661_zps5dfc6432.jpg)

(http://i1290.photobucket.com/albums/b523/Camo9306/IMG_25671_zps8ba3f862.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rains on November 12, 2014, 03:15:40 AM
Go for 6'2 while you add it. That's the money height right there.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: 123456 on November 12, 2014, 11:55:38 AM
I don't think you can even handle 1cm of lengthening. Go an eat something man, you are really really skinny.

And your arms are even way too short for a person who's 5'6. LL will make you look even more like a freak.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 12, 2014, 01:03:45 PM
^^This guy again, smh.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ashton on November 12, 2014, 04:06:54 PM

I think you should not go for more than 4 inches in total....

well, u askd for opinion n m giving it..
rest is upto u


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Body Builder on November 12, 2014, 04:39:15 PM
Camozflash, I really believe that you'll look like a freak if you go to 6.1 (which is very hard of course because you need to lengthen more than 7 inches!).
Your structure is very skinny and even if you get very tall, you won't look good.
A height of 5.9-5.10 at max will make you much better looking but at the same time you really need to put some muscles. If not, then even if you become taller you won't have a good body.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 12, 2014, 05:46:13 PM
Thanks for the advice/opinions Bodybuilder and Ashton. @ Bodybuilder, yeah I eat like a bear that just woke out of hibernation but I'm guessing it's just fast metabolism. I also exercise everyday at home (pushups, pull-ups, chin-ups, sit-ups, curls) and I bike, but last time I hit the weights in a gym was in my junior year of HS which was in 2009-2010. Gotta get back into it sometime. Thanks again.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on November 12, 2014, 06:53:33 PM
Do one LL for 7.625 CM and see how you like your body afterwards. You are trying to take many steps forward when you should be taking one cautious step at a time.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on November 12, 2014, 09:20:25 PM
How old are you? i have a feeling that you are still young, maybe 15-16 years old?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 12, 2014, 11:00:16 PM
Do one LL for 7.625 CM and see how you like your body afterwards. You are trying to take many steps forward when you should be taking one cautious step at a time.


I know, it's just that I'm the 180 degree opposite of a procrastinator. That's exactly 3 inches, so yeah it's doable and it'll be noticeable. The reason that I think I set such high goals is because for the ''young people'' (those born starting around 1980 and so on) in my family, the ''tall'' heights are average for them. My male cousins are almost all at least idk, 5'11'' and probably as tall as 6'4'', and the females are also in the 5'10''-6'0'' range. This is most prevalent on my mother's side of the family, btw. Every time there's a family get-together or something I feel like such a sucker because I see my fam, people who share the same blood as me and very similar genetic codes and inheritances, and yet they're all average or ''tall'', and I'm on the lower end of the politically correct ''average height spectrum.'' Sh*t sucks man, at least for now. I'm thankful that I discovered CLL and that such a thing exists, this is most definitely a path and endeavor of salvation to many people.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 12, 2014, 11:02:18 PM
How old are you? i have a feeling that you are still young, maybe 15-16 years old?

If you were asking me, I'm 21 and 2 months old. If I was 15-16 I wouldn't be on here because I'd still be growing naturally at that age.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ashton on November 19, 2014, 04:53:49 AM
Current Height 163.5- 165 cms keeps varying.

Wingspan 170-171.3 cms keeps varying.

Target 8cm in femur and 6cms in tibia.

femur first and the tibia later. ( Total height increase =14cms)

Would I look disproportionate with 177.5 cms height and 170 cms of wingspan?

Can anyone suggest please.
Thnx



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Andre01 on November 19, 2014, 10:40:45 AM
Current Height 163.5- 165 cms keeps varying.

Wingspan 170-171.3 cms keeps varying.

Target 8cm in femur and 6cms in tibia.

femur first and the tibia later. ( Total height increase =14cms)

Would I look disproportionate with 177.5 cms height and 170 cms of wingspan?

Can anyone suggest please.
Thnx



No. you will be fine.

I am 162cm with a a 177cm wingspan. No one has ever said I have long arms or wide shoulders.

in fact,  in reality ppl never talk about proportions ling wingspan in public. ppl might mention wide shoulders but only at the gym.

Normal ppl have much better things to talk about.

Just be concerned with the money, effort, health and other issues that come with LL.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Ashton on November 19, 2014, 12:21:18 PM
Thnx Andre01 :)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Shortlegs on November 21, 2014, 03:58:19 AM
If you were asking me, I'm 21 and 2 months old. If I was 15-16 I wouldn't be on here because I'd still be growing naturally at that age.
OK, you look pretty small for a guy at 21. You need to hit the gym bro.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 21, 2014, 06:15:58 AM
OK, you look pretty small for a guy at 21. You need to hit the gym bro.

I will eventually. Look on the positive side; the lighter you are, the easier the weight bearing will be during CLL.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: JohnnyLongLegs on November 21, 2014, 06:57:28 AM
looking at your pics and current height. . . .  if i was u, i would aim for 6'0 max! and not a millimeter more! maybe even 5'11.  cause i think if u go past 6'0, you will definitely need arm lengthening too.  and u will still have a tiny torso, which isn't a very natural look.  im not trying to be mean dude. . .  but that's 8 inches to get from 5'6 to 6'2 (just because it CAN be done. . .  doesn't mean u should do it).  Getting to 5'11 with two surgeries is a great height for some who is starting at 5'6!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on November 21, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
looking at your pics and current height. . . .  if i was u, i would aim for 6'0 max! and not a millimeter more! maybe even 5'11.  cause i think if u go past 6'0, you will definitely need arm lengthening too.  and u will still have a tiny torso, which isn't a very natural look.  im not trying to be mean dude. . .  but that's 8 inches to get from 5'6 to 6'2 (just because it CAN be done. . .  doesn't mean u should do it).  Getting to 5'11 with two surgeries is a great height for some who is starting at 5'6!

No offense taken, I'll see what happens I'm not doing CLL any time soon. Funny thing is, a friend of mine is 6'2''-6'3'' and he has approximately the same sitting height as me which means our torsos are about the same length. He looks a bit odd only if he tucks his shirt into his pants/shorts. But his arms are definitely longer than mine. I dunno. I strive for the best whenever I can, that's my problem and/or blessing.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: sheida.iri on December 03, 2014, 09:28:21 PM
My goal height is 165 cm but I cant do it yet < lack of money>
The first picture is my real height and its about 154-155 cm.  .  
the second photo my femur is lenghtend just 4-5 cm
And the last one is both my femur and my tibia.  my femur 4-5 cm and my tibia 3-4 cm: total 7-9 cm
.   please tell your opinion about my proportion.  .  can I go for both of them.  .  

(http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19/20141023152832-1OrUsi.jpg)  (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19/20141023152832-15.jpg)  (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19//20141023152832-16.jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on December 04, 2014, 06:33:13 AM
Why are you posting this question in another thread? You asked it before with the same photos in a thread dedicated to your question. Be patient and more people will answer your question on the thread where you originally posted it.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on December 04, 2014, 06:55:14 AM
My goal height is 165 cm but I cant do it yet < lack of money>
The first picture is my real height and its about 154-155 cm.  .  
the second photo my femur is lenghtend just 4-5 cm
And the last one is both my femur and my tibia.  my femur 4-5 cm and my tibia 3-4 cm: total 7-9 cm
.   please tell your opinion about my proportion.  .  can I go for both of them.  .  

(http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19/20141023152832-1OrUsi.jpg)  (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19/20141023152832-15.jpg)  (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19//20141023152832-16.jpg)

Yeah, you'd look absolutely normal IMO.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Body Builder on December 04, 2014, 09:29:28 PM
Don't do only femurs, it won't look for a woman.

Do 5cm in both segments or only tibias, not only femurs.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: sheida.iri on December 05, 2014, 01:46:55 PM
thank u but I think my tibias is longer than my femurs. .  I must do some x-rays and then I can decide which one should go for LL. . . .
any one notice my bowed legs?? can I go for bowleg surgery and do LL for tibia at the same time. . .
another question help me please. .  I cant find the answer anywhere. .  anybody know how long I cant wear high heels after surgery??? I LOVE high heels. . . :(( :-\


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Sweden on December 05, 2014, 03:51:25 PM
Tibia is never longer than femur.

Don't wear high heels about 2 years after first surgery.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: srimech123 on December 05, 2014, 04:11:01 PM
Tibia is never longer than femur.

Don't wear high heels about 2 years after first surgery.

You did make a post confessing that naturally longer tibias do exist ;)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Body Builder on December 08, 2014, 08:15:32 PM
thank u but I think my tibias is longer than my femurs. .  I must do some x-rays and then I can decide which one should go for LL. . . .
any one notice my bowed legs?? can I go for bowleg surgery and do LL for tibia at the same time. . .
another question help me please. .  I cant find the answer anywhere. .  anybody know how long I cant wear high heels after surgery??? I LOVE high heels. . . :(( :-\
They are not.



Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Camoflazh9306 on December 09, 2014, 08:44:40 AM
I beg to differ ^^, my tibs are an inch and a 1/2 longer than my femurs. Idk how that happened, and I never had CLL so far either.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Rains on March 13, 2015, 02:53:46 AM
When one embarks on the LL journey, one starts to see the slight variation in proportion among various populations and body types.

I was watching Empire, and this hip hop kid was doing a music video with his shirt off. I couldn't help but notice the ridiculously long arms on his tiny torso. His elbows actually go pass his belly button. I just wanted to share it with you. So a little short arms wouldn't hurt, most people will not notice it or they'd just ignore it as a variation in proportion.

Can someone tell me how to upload a pic? I'll post his pic up.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Taco on March 13, 2015, 03:11:46 AM
My goal height is 165 cm but I cant do it yet < lack of money>
The first picture is my real height and its about 154-155 cm.  .  
the second photo my femur is lenghtend just 4-5 cm
And the last one is both my femur and my tibia.  my femur 4-5 cm and my tibia 3-4 cm: total 7-9 cm
.   please tell your opinion about my proportion.  .  can I go for both of them.  .  

(http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19/20141023152832-1OrUsi.jpg)  (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19/20141023152832-15.jpg)  (http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/11/19//20141023152832-16.jpg)

Honestly, you look best in your before picture. Why do you need it?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: bertram on March 23, 2015, 05:30:57 PM
Hi folks!

My first post on this forum! I came across that proportion/misproportion issue quite some time ago and every since I've been mulling over whether I'm disproportioned or not.  I think I'm cursed with too short legs as well.  Height shouldn't be a major problem since I'm not that short.  I just wanted you to comment on my legs and stature in general.  Would you recommend leg lengthening in my particular case? And if so, how much is to be added to either tibia or femur?
Thanks in advance!

(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150323/2bk2vk84.png)

Greets,
Bertram


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: bertram on March 23, 2015, 05:34:56 PM
Uh some probs attaching my pic

(http://hxxp: s15. postimg. org/bur40qya3/prop. png)

hxxp: postimg. org/image/ls24tt5vr/


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: wish177 on June 26, 2015, 07:03:05 PM
PROPORTIONS AGAIN!

It's been a good day, today. I managed to do both my exercise sessions without too much pain (even though the second was shortly after I did another lengthening turn) I've had two lovely meals (Giant Pork Meatballs for lunch & Pork Slices with Mushrooms for dinner.

But you don't really care about that do you? What you want to hear is that I made a video of Mr Pink, and also of a girl called Dong Mei who has lengthened 12.0cm (120mm). YES. TWELVE CENTIMETRES :)

You asked for pictures? MMT gives you pictures!

Mr Pink
As you might hear on the video, he actually wants to be known as Iceman, but we've already started calling him Mr Pink, so that's that.

Here is a picture of him standing up.
(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Pink Standing.jpg)

 Click here to launch the video of Mr Pink walking! (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Mr Pink Exercising.3gp)

(Please bear in mind that he has only just had his frames removed and has about another 4 weeks exercising and physio before he will be able to walk properly. Please also bear in mind that I didn't bring those orange slippers to China with me - the maid bought them for me :) )

Before someone flames me saying that he is not naked, or wearing a lycra running suit, just bear in mind that, in the real world, people don't walk around naked or in Spandex. Not in my world anyway. In my world they wear normal clothes like the people in these photos [/endrant]

You want my view? His proportions look fine. The doctors told him he'd be OK, and he is OK.

Dong Mei
Oh my!  :D

Some of us guys had a LONG debate about this lovely lady after her visit. I'm in the "Damn! She looks great!" camp, and I told her. Several times.

It seems to be a small camp, though. Consisting of me and lots of girls... She carries the extra height perfectly in my opinion, and she seems to be something of a local icon with the women.

A lot of the guys think that she has gone too far. (Note some of the exercise machines that we use in the background)

You make up your own mind... that's what this forum is all about!

(http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Dong Mei Posing.jpg)

Better still, here's the video!

 Click here to launch the video of Dong Mei standing up and walking towards me! (http://www.makemetaller.org/assets/Dong Mei Bending.3gp)

I don't know if it is the drugs they are giving me to sleep, or the food, but I was quite taken with her and if I didn't have these frames on...

MM doesn't agree with me and I think that he will be on to disagree with me a bit later!

Enjoy! ;)
Dong Mei looks awesome, how tall was she before LL?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: usermyname65 on July 09, 2015, 03:23:17 PM
I think she was 5'2?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Mr.Placebo on August 05, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
hi, how did you use photoshop to alternate the length of your tibiae and femurs?  i don't to take a phone of myself, and do an estimate.

I think it looks very proportionate. You are lucky because you had a long torso to start with and shorter legs. This surgery actually made you proportionate. Your original stature, your legs to torso - was not proportionate. Looking good and happy for you dude!


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: sheida.iri on September 16, 2015, 01:29:42 AM
Honestly, you look best in your before picture. Why do you need it?
I need some centimeters because im too short im 155 cm height and lack of confidence and actually I have bow leg and I considering doing both in one time.i always want to be 162-163 because its a normal heght for a girl and average height for women in our country its 160...


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: MattD on October 07, 2015, 04:20:20 PM
Heres my mock-up wearing cigarette jeans.   My Wingspan is 171-171.  5,  I'm not reaching for perfect proportions, I personally feel that I could pull off 178cm without looking noticeably disproportionate, what do you guys think? Thank you  :)

(http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr1/hardyandrew92/MMT_zpsjhnylptc.jpg)

Best,
MattD


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SysOp on October 07, 2015, 05:12:25 PM
Heres my mock-up wearing cigarette jeans.   My Wingspan is 171-171.  5,  I'm not reaching for perfect proportions, I personally feel that I could pull off 178cm without looking noticeably disproportionate, what do you guys think? Thank you  :)

Best,
MattD

I think that 178 CM looks best, although 8 CM in one go around on the tibias would be pretty brutal.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: wish177 on October 07, 2015, 07:39:41 PM
I think that 178 CM looks best, although 8 CM in one go around on the tibias would be pretty brutal.
Would 6,5cm aso be brutal?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: sadsped on October 29, 2015, 04:37:40 PM
I want to know if I will increase my legs by5-7cm,then what about my hands??if these will look shorter in proportion to my body?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: RippaRoo on November 12, 2015, 07:18:56 AM
(http://oi66.tinypic.com/35n7pc7.jpg)

What do you guys think i should lengthen=?


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: aldert on December 02, 2015, 11:35:12 PM
MattD, consider that if you're of white european genetics, you should normally have a crural index  (tibia/femur) of about 82%.   It means, in order to maintain the same bio mechanics, for each 1cm of added lenght in the tibiae you should add 1.  22cm in your femurs.   So if you do just 1 surgery in your tibiae, consider the advice of Sweden, according to which don't do more than 5cm in your tibiae.  


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: Sweden on December 03, 2015, 01:10:42 AM
You are proportional - and an idiot for posting a naked picture with a stick up your ass.

Wear underwear. Nobody is going to see you without them anyway.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: aldert on December 09, 2015, 12:09:01 AM
Speaking ideally about proportions, let's assume that a potential LL has got a very normal crural index of 82% and wants to increase the height of 10cm, maintaining the same crural index  as final outcome.  If X=tibia and Y=femur, we know that: a) X+Y=10; b) X/Y=0. 82.  The solutions of the system are: X=4. 5cm; Y=5. 5cm.  Therefore, under the light of proportions, given the maximum amount of 10cm as total height increase, if you have the possibility of doing only 1 surgery, you should stay at about 5cm of increase per segment.  But this is just an ideal opinion, reality is some kind of different and involves many other subjective and objective variables.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: nextinline34 on January 07, 2016, 02:44:40 AM
Quote from: RippaRoo link=topic=63. msg106980#msg106980 date=1447312736
(http://hxxp: oi66. tinypic. com/35n7pc7. jpg)

What do you guys think i should lengthen=?

Personally I think you should separate into two operations.  Neither femur nor tibia mock-ups look proportional. 


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: WKS on January 25, 2016, 02:06:19 AM
Quote from: mgibson77 link=topic=63. msg107328#msg107328 date=1452551758
Hi All, especially SysOp.  

I've been searching desperately on how to start my topic.   I'm lengthening with Dr Mahboubia in Cali this February and wanted to start my diary, please help start it for me.  

mgibson77 is my user name.  

You need 10 posts to start a topic but SysOP has the ability to make you a topic.
Either hope to get his attention or just get 10 posts.
and GOOD LUCK!!! hope all the best.


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: SomeAsianGuy on February 09, 2016, 06:10:54 AM
Quote from: RippaRoo link=topic=63. msg106980#msg106980 date=1447312736
(http://hxxp: oi66. tinypic. com/35n7pc7. jpg)

What do you guys think i should lengthen=?

Lengthen your femurs, they look fine.  Just my 2 cents on this picture lol


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shawapoof on March 17, 2016, 03:00:46 PM
Hey guys, that's my first reply, for the guy above i guess that 180cm picture looks pretty good, to be able to judge in a efficient way, you must send a picture with a boxer instead of a pants.   
i need your opinions about my mockups , 4cm in tibia and 6cm in femur, from 170 to 180, and my sitting height is 91cm.    Arm height: 80
(http://hxxp: hxxp: i67.  tinypic.  com/2m2cpec.  jpg)


Title: Re: Proportion Discussions - with more photos and videos added!
Post by: shawapoof on March 17, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
http://oi67.tinypic.com/2m2cpec.jpg

the last pic didn't upload