Crazy+6 - External Femur - Dr. Sarin - 2011 - Here I Am, My Second LL War!

[GROWtallORdieTRYING]

crazy, does sarin intend to get internals for femur,

i understand in india they dont do things unless you push, however it would be nice to have an internal femur diary sometime before 2020.....

can you ask for sarins comment on his progress to having an internal lengthening option for femurs in the near future?

[crazy+6]

I cannot comment on when Internal nail would come to Dr. Sarin.

And India is not that bad. Yeah, Things take time but I don't think that rest of the world is perfect either. I have visited in many countries during my job and business and I have experienced many other countries are worst than India. By 2020, I guess many new destinations would come with Internal femurs anyway 

 

[GROWtallORdieTRYING]

i trust sarin will get it eventuarly, the thing is alot of people are anxiously awaiting it

there are a few doctors who do internal, but the cheaper options people are still to scared to use because the doctors are not on the doctors list, that is why i hold promise for sarin because if he brings out an internal device, more people would be inclined to use it and write a diary.

honestly im sure sarin is busy with other things trying to make everyone a better living environment, than to contend with internals. i guess i was just curious on if there were any updates.



ps 2020 time was a joke

[crazy+6]

i trust sarin will get it eventuarly, the thing is alot of people are anxiously awaiting it

there are a few doctors who do internal, but the cheaper options people are still to scared to use because the doctors are not on the doctors list, that is why i hold promise for sarin because if he brings out an internal device, more people would be inclined to use it and write a diary.

honestly im sure sarin is busy with other things trying to make everyone a better living environment, than to contend with internals. i guess i was just curious on if there were any updates.



ps 2020 time was a joke

I had some discussions with him about internals and he is not so in favor of internals though he is trying that ISKD get approved by Indian Government soon.

Hopefully he gets internal soon.

[meyerchamp]

why Sarin don't wish to explore internals? That is a pity, cause the prices in Europe are expensive for sure.

From what I understand,  internals bring lower risk of complication and less painful (probably).  Is it because of the nail patent issue?

From what I seen, only two doctors is doing internal (betz and guitchet).  The rest are doing external or LATN, LON.  So it could be because nobody else can use the Nail due to patent.  That is my guess, who knows.
 

[6ftby2014]

He is waiting for the government in India to approve ISKD.

[Transformer]

Meyerchamp,

If you are interested in internals there are also two other doctors that perform internals in Ukraine. Dr Kutsenko Head Orthopedic at Crimea State Medical Center whose prices are cheaper than that of Beijing's and Dr Jamal & Dr Alipov at Bonemed Center whose prices are comparable to Beijing's.


Bringing internals to India would be a game changer for most patients.

[Tall]

Guys,

You need to be very careful when hoping/wishing for the ISKD nail. Everything I have heard recently is that the nail still is not reliable. It still has major distraction issues & is still considered unreliable by a majority of surgeons. If you are wanting a clicking/manual distraction nail, perhaps the nail that you referred to at the Bonemed Center is a reliable choice.

Tall

[crazy+6]

Internals are not complication free and some of the major complication with Internals are Embolism & mechanical failure.
Patent is definitely an issue and that is why there is monopoly in prices.

I totally agree with Tall about ISKD. ISKD have some major distraction issues and it could not be trusted. Probably that is the reason why Dr. Sarin is not pushing ISKD much.

Crazy+6

[Tall]

Hey Crazy+6,

I wanted to get your opinion on making my final days of lengthening my left tibia more bareable. I have just .5CM left to lengthen during this next week, but my muscles & tendons seem to want to be done & they are fighting me very strongly. They seem to not want to give even 1 millimeter more. I know I will make it to my goal, but the last few days I have literally spent about 5 hours or so just stretching & messaging my leg. Do you have anymore secrets/stretches that will make this last week a little more tolerable?


God Bless,

Tall

[crazy+6]

Hey Crazy+6,

I wanted to get your opinion on making my final days of lengthening my left tibia more bareable. I have just .5CM left to lengthen during this next week, but my muscles & tendons seem to want to be done & they are fighting me very strongly. They seem to not want to give even 1 millimeter more. I know I will make it to my goal, but the last few days I have literally spent about 5 hours or so just stretching & messaging my leg. Do you have anymore secrets/stretches that will make this last week a little more tolerable?


God Bless,

Tall

Hi Tall,

I understand this feeling in the end. Sucks !!

1) Relax your muscles for 3-7 days and don't do any distraction.

2) Within these 3 days-keep your leg in hot water fully as you don't have any open wound now. This will relax your muscles, tendons and nerves.

3) Keep your leg up on wall. This will stretch your muscles and reduce swelling due to reverse blood flow. It will relax your leg.

3) Try to distract 0.25 or 0.50 depending on your tension in leg after relaxing for 3-7 days.

4) Ask Dr. M if he can recommend any pain medication which works on nerve level such as Gebapentin etc. Combination of Gebapentin & Mecobalamin reduces needle pain and sensation. I took Nurokind-G for some days.

I am not sure about pain killer but it worked for me.

God Bless
Crazy+6

[apostels]

I cant find any Thread that makes random questions avaliable, so here are my questions:

1.  Who is the Cheapest Nail inside bone, doctor that is great?

[Transformer]

Internals are not complication free and some of the major complication with Internals are Embolism & mechanical failure.
Patent is definitely an issue and that is why there is monopoly in prices.

I totally agree with Tall about ISKD. ISKD have some major distraction issues and it could not be trusted. Probably that is the reason why Dr. Sarin is not pushing ISKD much.

Crazy+6

@Crazy+6, @Tall

I know that the ISKD is unreliable and uncontrollable when it comes to lengthening. I wasn't necessarly recommending it to Meyerchamp but was referring to the alternative Bliskunov nail used in Ukraine, which is in many characteristics similar to Albizzia, as far as twisting & clicking and holding weight. I know there are many potential LLers eager to get internal nails inside them without weighing the differences and the chances of having internal nails available in places like India in the near future, are slim.

[meyerchamp]

apos, as transformer posted above, there's two other venue where you can do internal methods beside france and germany.

Dr Kutsenko should be the cheapest at 18k Euros.  Dr Jamal & Dr Alipov is around 27 euros (not sure).  They all use the Bliskunov nail. 

They are cheapest for internal as far as i know, but whether they are 'great' is up to you to decide as there is lack of diaries on them.  Dr Dragan passed away recently (there were positive reviews here) and these are his associates, so there's still question mark over whether they are good and safe. 

Apparently a couple of folks had planned to be there recently, but they have not update here.  Thanks to Transformer for pointing out about the cheaper options.

[crazy+6]

This is how I look like right now when I walk without any shoes etc

Three problems :-

1) Knee bending
2) Ballerina foot
3) Duck Ass

However, Ballerina foot is mostly due to knee bending. when knee is out, automatically ankle gets up.

I am working on 3 muscle group right now.

1) Hamstrings
2) Quadriceps
3) Calf muscles

[Dookieman]

Great picture! You know, that is exactly how I imagined you would look like. Such a handsome young lad! lol! 

[6ftby2014]

You could be a stick figure model! 

[craig49]

@Crazy+6, @Tall
I know that the ISKD is unreliable and uncontrollable when it comes to lengthening. I wasn't necessarily recommending it to Meyerchamp but was referring to the alternative Bliskunov nail used in Ukraine, which is in many characteristics similar to Albizzia, as far as twisting & clicking and holding weight. I know there are many potential LLers eager to get internal nails inside them without weighing the differences and the chances of having internal nails available in places like India in the near future, are slim.

Despite the fact that it may have some cons, look at the cons that come with LON or external only.  Just look the stick figure of crazy, it says it all.  If ISKD became available at a decent price, it would be a huge hit, not to mention avoiding the nasty lifetime scars that any kind of external device will give you.  And while scars from external devices are sometimes flat, often they leave a huge depression in the skin. 

[165er]

Say crazy,I'm just contemplating and wondering. . how much time would you say you've spent out of work,family and normalcy due to lengthening? First and second procedure included? And why didn't you consider doing both procedures a few months apart? And lastly was it worth it?
Sorry about all the questions but I just needed some motivation before making any rational decision :D

[6ftby2014]

Despite the fact that it may have some cons, look at the cons that come with LON or external only.  Just look the stick figure of crazy, it says it all.  If ISKD became available at a decent price, it would be a huge hit, not to mention avoiding the nasty lifetime scars that any kind of external device will give you.  And while scars from external devices are sometimes flat, often they leave a huge depression in the skin. 

Good points Craig. Everything has benefits and drawbacks.