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COPYRIGHT DEQUAMA HOLDINGS PTY. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. THIS DIARY IS THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY OF MMT AND MAY NOT BE COPIED OR REPRODUCED WITHOUT HIS EXPRESS PERMISSION.

Read the FAQs first - http://www.makemetaller.org/faqs

The book is available here:

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This diary has become huge, and so I am adding a simple index so that people can jump straight to the parts of the diary that may be of interest to them:

First Pictures of Beijing: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg444#msg444

First Pictures of the Hospital: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg445#msg445

Pictures of my frames: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg667#msg667

Screams in the Night: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1026#msg1026

Patients' Problems: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1075#msg1075

MMT's thoughts on Mental Attitude: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1178#msg1178

Mysteryman's Birthday: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1205#msg1205

MMT hits 3cm: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1231#msg1231

One Month On - More Pictures and Videos: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1268#msg1268

Our Lovely Maid: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1282#msg1282

MMT hits 4cm: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1363#msg1363

Knee Complication: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1430#msg1430

MMT thinks about whether or not to lengthen a bit more: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1558#msg1558

MMT knows his height: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1583#msg1583

10 days after MMT stopped lengthening: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1844#msg1844

Dr Pung Tunes MMT Up: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg1946#msg1946

MMT gets his frames off: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2025#msg2025

Video & Film Crew!: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2062#msg2062

Summary of MMT's Treatment with X-rays: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2063#msg2063

Images of Beijing: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2374#msg2374

MMT's Height Teaser Photos: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2390#msg2390

MMT out on the Town: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2456#msg2456

MMT's Scar Close Ups: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2504#msg2504

The Road Home - Leaving Beijing: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=50.msg2581#msg2581

MMT's Experiences back home: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php?topic=634.0

MMT is 100% recovered and back to normal: http://www.makemetaller.org/index.php/topic,1425.0.html



Summary

I'm also including a summary of my adventure so that people can see what I did and how long it took:

Original Height: 173.5cm
Final Height: 180.0cm

Location: Beijing, China
Doctors: Professor Xia & Dr. Li

Operation Date: 25 September 2006
Lengthing Stopped: 1 December 2006
Frame Removed: 20 December 2006

Started Walking: 31 December 2006
Returned Home: 25 January 2007
Walking Normally without support: 1 April 2007



Chapter 1: Why I am having LL
I first started thinking about Leg Lengthening (LL) about six months ago, although I've always wanted a couple of inches of extra height.

I live in the UK where the average height is currently about 175 and is increasing rapidly towards 178 as people get taller based on rich nutrition and a high standard of living. I'm 173cm which may sound fine, but I?m not below average in other area of my life, and I'm not happy to be below average height!

I like tall women, and hate to go out with women who are taller than me, and so 2 or 3 inches of extra height is all I need, making me 178 / 181cm which will be perfect.

I often wear lifts of about 2 inches, and I love the height increase they give, but hate feeling like an ass!

Whether it is in a social setting or in a business one, the extra height is an advantage and makes me feel better. Women definitely are more responsive to taller men, and being the shortest guy in a meeting is not an enjoyable experience. Maybe I would be used to it if I had a normal office job and went to a lot of meetings, but as freelancer I really notice it when I have to meet a client.

For me, having LL is a worthwhile endeavour, despite the pain and cost Smiley

I never heard about LL before seeing an advert on Google and clicking; the rest is history.

I'm a freelance graphic designer, so going overseas for a period of time is not a problem - I earn a lot of money and so the cost is not a problem either.

I live alone in Southern England; have no pets and no girlfriend, so there are no lifestyle considerations to worry about.

After researching the subject thoroughly, I knew that LL was for me, and the only decision was where to have it done.

Chapter 2: The Road to China
I must have contacted every LL doctor in the world over the last six months! I've emailed all of them, read their sites and watched countless videos.

I've even downloaded medical papers produced by hospitals and researchers to help me make up my mind.

This is what I decided:

  • External Methods: Cheap, effective but prone to pin infections. Relatively long recovery time due to need for bone to consolidate before walking.
  • Internal Methods: Expensive, effective and not as straightforward as external. Quick recovery time, as internal nail can take some pressure from walking.
  • Lengthening and then Nailing: Good compromise, quicker recovery than just external, cheaper than Internal methods only.

I had no joy with the European doctors - they were often too busy to respond to my requests and therefore were not very responsive.

I had a ton of questions and many went unanswered. I even bought a ticket to Marseille to see Dr. Guichet for a consultation, but he didn't respond to any of my emails for the two weeks before the appointment I was given, so I decided not to go - I think that dialogue between patient and doctor is important, whatever type of surgery you're having and it just was working with him as he was always too busy.

Having been to India back-packing after Design College, I decided to give India a wide berth.

The doctors in Thailand didn't seem to have a lot of experience, as demonstrated by their small and uninformative web sites.

I checked out Egypt, but read many horror stories on the Internet and so took that off my list.

The Russians seemed very hungry for money, and wanted to charge me for EVERYTHING in addition to the surgery, and the thought of winter in deepest darkest Russia didn't fill me with joy Wink

I lost interest for a little while, but decided to start searching again, but this time I decided to focus on real case studies and video evidence. I saw a video produced by the BBC about treatment in China and I was impressed with what I saw.

I found the web site for the Beijing Institute of External Skeletal Fixation Technology (http://www.leg-lengthening.com) and was pretty impressed with the information, their case studies and the site itself, and so decided to contact them.

They responded right away and were extremely helpful and over the last couple of months have answered all of my numerous questions within about 48 hours.

Initially Dr. Li who is Senior Consultant at the clinic responded, but soon Dr. Ronne in the Leg Lengthening department took over as they speak excellent English and seemed to specialise in international patients.

Dr Ronne is by far the most helpful person that I have found in the LL field.

They confirmed that I would have Internet access, all meals, accommodation and nursing would be included and, most important for me, and the treatment would take only about 4.5 months using the LATN method.

No question went un-answered and I was finally tempted with a special offer meaning that my treatment (up to 8cm via LATN) would cost just $20,000 all inclusive.

I booked myself in to have my treatment in the last week of September.


Chapter 3: Be prepared!
I've never been to China before, and I've never had LL before, but I like to be organised, so I started my preparation at the beginning of August.

Having read people's diaries and also done some research, I decided that I would need lots of:

  • Shorts
  • T-Shirts
  • Books
  • iBook (for designing!)
  • iPod

I was advised to get a tourist visa because they are easy to get and to extend, and it took me only three days to get one through the Chinese Embassy in London.

I booked flights online with Opodo which cost only about 800 (about $1500) and didn't have to worry about the accommodation as it was included in the price of the treatment.

I fly to Beijing at the end of next week (22 September) and I can't wait!

Stay posted for the next instalment!

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2006, 01:07:48 AM »

Hi MMT,

Sounds like you've done your research.  I'm stilil a little confused as to what mechanism is used in this institute - it looks external to me.?.  Also, from a video you posted of the BBC piece on Dr. Xia, with wires sticking out, the wounds of the patient looked disturbing - are you familiar with the comfort level of the device and/or the possibilities of infection?  If not, i'm sure you will be soon.  As a former LL patient, the one advise I would give is to exercise your legs much as you can (w/o jepordizing your health of course) because, barring complications, the less your leg muscles atrophy (glutes/quads/hamstrings etc.), the sooner you will be able to walk after lengthening. 

Best of luck to you bro.  Be careful out there and keep us posted.

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2006, 04:12:47 AM »

yea man this is awsome, cant wait to hear about your expierance, wish i could help you out more but the best thing i can do is give you confort over the internet and that card im going to send you so dont forget to send me the name and the street address also what room you will be in.


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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 11:13:34 AM »

Thanks, Resolute!

I'm stilil a little confused as to what mechanism is used in this institute - it looks external to me?

They do LATN - Lengthening with an External Device and then Nailing - inserting an internal device afterwards to allow the bone to consolidate more quickly and safely, and to prevent problems with no-union, etc.. It's a combination of the two approaches.

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Also, from a video you posted of the BBC piece on Dr. Xia, with wires sticking out, the wounds of the patient looked disturbing - are you familiar with the comfort level of the device and/or the possibilities of infection?  

It's exactly the same as with any external Ilizarov-type device - the pins can lead to pin-site wounds, but regular inspection and cleaning minimise the risk. The external devices are bulky, but they are the most effective form of LL as it has been used for over 50 years now. I'll send you pictures of my device, which is likely to be a much more modern variant according to Dr. Ronne.

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As a former LL patient,

Where did you have it done? What method was used? How much did you lengthen and what was your experience like?

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the one advise I would give is to exercise your legs much as you can (w/o jepordizing your health of course) because, barring complications, the less your leg muscles atrophy

That's the main reason I have decided to go for LATN rather than just external - having the nail inside the bone as it consolidates obviously increases the load-bearing capabilities of the legs and lets you get moving again faster. I'm proud of my muscle tone and I don't want to lose it totally!

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Best of luck to you bro.  Be careful out there and keep us posted. -resolute

Thanks! I appreciate the support! Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 05:25:59 PM »

just a question since the nail is inside of the bone how do they take it out a year later once your legs are all healed up and everything they dont rebrake them do they? I always wondered this i dont know why i always for got to ask.
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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 05:47:38 PM »

Yeah good luck duder. I want to know the comfort levl when you sleep in the Illizorv device. For me I just sleep on my back or side so the divice doesn't dig in to my leg. Bring some multivitamins, vitamin C and calcium pills so you don't have to buy any there. These will all help with the formation and consilidation of the bones.

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2006, 03:37:47 PM »

i heard zinc is good also im not sure if thats true but thats word on the street
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2006, 03:25:50 PM »

 Smiley  hi !
I am a chinese in Taiwan
My English ability is not good, do not care!
I want to share my opinion:

1.you must chose the way(operation approach) cautiously!
2.exercise your foot thew!
3.more field trip  , do not make decision too fast,
   you can compare the two hospitals:
http://www.goodstature.com/
http://www.leg-lengthening.com/

    do not only phone, important is reinspect

good luck to you!
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2006, 03:29:03 PM »

the operation has many controversys in china,
     so you must be carefully!
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2006, 08:55:15 AM »

where are you going to have the surgery done? tibia or femur?
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2006, 09:26:34 AM »

Hi.

Thanks for your posts!

where are you going to have the surgery done? tibia or femur?

I am having LL only on my Tibiae and Fibulae (lower legs).

the operation has many controversys in china,
     so you must be carefully!

What do you mean, Hamilton? It will be interesting to get your views Smiley

just a question since the nail is inside of the bone how do they take it out a year later once your legs are all healed up and everything they dont rebrake them do they? I always wondered this i dont know why i always for got to ask.

The nail is inserted through a whole at the top of the bone, and taken out through the same hole - if you check the LATN video here, it will show you how it is done:

LATN Video by Dr S. Robert Rozbruch, MD.

Yeah good luck duder. I want to know the comfort levl when you sleep in the Illizorv device. For me I just sleep on my back or side so the divice doesn't dig in to my leg. Bring some multivitamins, vitamin C and calcium pills so you don't have to buy any there. These will all help with the formation and consilidation of the bones.

Thanks. I'll be taking some of those, although a bunch of vitamins are included in the price that I'm paying.

I'll keep you posted - next time I log in to the board, I'll be in Beijing and I'll be taking plenty of photos! Wink
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Hey MMT,

I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to not only create this wonderfully informative but also to post your own LL experiences. You are truly an inspiration for myself, and I am positive, for many others.

I check this site daily and will be following your LL "adventure" religiously for the next several months. I myself am very interested in undergoing the surgery in June and the information that you have provided me has been invaluable.

All the best with your surgery. If you need anything please feel free to let me and the rest of the fledgling MMT fellowship know.

Thank you once again

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2006, 07:43:03 AM »

Hey MMT, I just wanted to thank you for taking the time to not only create this wonderfully informative but also to post your own LL experiences. You are truly an inspiration for myself, and I am positive, for many others.

Thanks for the words of encouragement! I hope that you enjoy the following chapters of the story Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 07:52:00 AM »

Initial Thoughts on Beijing
Flying into Beijing (or old Peking for any British Empire diehards!) was a pleasurable experience.

From the air, China is quite beautiful, hills and mountains shrouded in mist were my first view of the country, and when we touched down I was suddenly struck by how modern the airport and facilities were.

The airport has a sort of 'minimalist' all aluminium and steel interior with all signs in Chinese and English.



The airport is modern, large, clean and beautiful. The staff were friendly and efficient, ushering us through the terminal pretty quickly - although I did notice that passengers from a plane arriving from another Asian country seemed to get a much more thorough check than we did.

My driver, sent by the hospital, was waiting for me at the appointed meeting place, although I had a few moments of panic when I didn't see him because our flight touched down about one hour late.

He didn't speak English, but was very friendly, took my case and whisked me to his little care before starting me on a very entertaining hour-long ride to the hospital.

Most of the cars I saw were European or Japanese. Lots of Audis, VWs, Opels and Mercedes, but hardly any American cars. They also drive on the same side of the road as America, not on the left like Japan or England, which is what I was expecting.



The driving is pretty aggressive - lots of fast lane changes and cutting-up, but I noticed that Beijing residents like to use their horns lot, even if they don't add the hand gestures and profanities that you'd get in London, New York or Paris!



Beijing is clearly growing fast. I saw lots of new buildings, well constructed roads, lots of advertising for things such as mobile phone services and fashion As you can see from the pictures I took with my phone, quite a few of them are quite stunning!



It is clearly a place that this going places, and the new development seems to have overtaken the old, although occasionally an old traditional Chinese buildings pops out from behind the avenues of skyscrapers and highways.

Things were looking very promising as we drove past the impressive-looking Beijing Hospital or Children which must have been at least 15 stories high complete with what looked like a solid gold sign.

We whizzed past a huge school with hundreds of immaculately dressed and pretty Chinese schoolgirls doing what looked like an early morning assembly.

Soon it was clear that we had hit downtown Beijing and things started to look a little less pristine - liking driving north from the City of London and hitting Hackney, or leaving Manhattan for Brooklyn. Dr Ronne was on the phone and told me that I would be at the hospital soon.

A few minutes later, we arrived at the front gate of the new hospital - that's when the fun really started Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2006, 08:39:05 AM »

The Hospital
In a quiet and slightly run-down neighbourhood is where we found the hospital. I had braced myself for the worst after hearing rumours about it, but I must say that first impressions were not too bad:



The hospital itself is a one storey affair in a quadrangle layout with pretty gardens outside. Later in the day, these were being well used by 6 or 7 patients who were out enjoying the sun (or getting ready for a Wheelchair race)



I had been warned by Dr. Ronne that the facilities at the hospital were not up to Western standards and, having been in overseas hospitals before, I was prepared.

As I've said before, the medical staff and treatment is more important to me than the design and age of the hospital.

I was introduced to my new room-mate, also from England, who seemed happy to see a friendly face and to hear another English accent.

He is lengthening by 8cm and, like me, had investigated several options, and even went as far as having a consultation with Dr. Guichet before settling on Dr Xia and his team due to cost and the positive responses he got.


It's hard to convey in a photo, but I must say that his frame looks pretty impressive - shiny and the wounds are very clean.

His only complaints were about the facilities in the hospital (low-speed Internet), unattractive rooms, but he was happy with the staff, on the whole.

He was much happier a few hours later when Dr. Ronne came in to massage his feet and to check him over Smiley



I was developing a similar impression, and decided that I would rank the thing so far like this:

Hospital : 5/10 - old, lacking modern facilities, but nothing life-threatening.

Friendliness: 9/10 - everyone is very friendly and chatty and there is a good atmosphere.

Attentiveness: 8/10 - the staff seem very attentive, although some requests take some time to be resolved.

Doctor: 9/10 - He exudes confidence and has an excellent CV!

Even the local wildlife is friendly, and this beautiful cat came to visit us.



Dr. Xia, quite rightly, questioned my desire to have LL, bearing in mind that I'm probably already taller than 90% of people in China.

With Dr. Ronne's help, we discussed this and, after getting measured up, we agreed that 6cm would be ideal for me.

Afterwards, I had a blood tests, ECG, X-rays and measuring sessions with several extremely cute nurses, before going shopping with Dr. Ronne for ice-cream and snacks for my new Homie.

Everything was fine, and I was told I'd go in for my surgery on Monday! Smiley

More soon...
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The Hospital
In a quiet and slightly run-down neighbourhood is where we found the hospital. I had braced myself for the worst after hearing rumours about it, but I must say that first impressions were not too bad...

interesting photos admin, keep em coming...i am saving every penny for this now, to persue my dream like you are doing now, i am even thinking of giving up bodybuilding(a sport i love) just to save some extra money daily

can i ask u a few questions:

1.how come theres holes to fixate archilles tendon on the ankle? does that have something to do with the fibula, do they care abt the fibula in beijing?

2.are the holes still bleeding? it looks like one of his hole is bleeding

3.the facilities looks pretty old man, do they have the 'live xray' machine while doing the operation where they can see through your leg to help them operate safer?

4.is the frame weight bearing? how soon can you walk after operation? or you must be in wheelchair entire time until frame is removed...are the frame ha coated..carbon coated etc?

when are you going for the op? good luck on your op, we are all behind you on this


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« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2006, 10:07:52 PM »

Hi Probe,

Thanks for your questions!

(But please don't quote entire posts when you quote people - it wastes space and makes it hard for people to understand what is going on!)

Yes, everything is fine so far. In answer to your questions:

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1.how come theres holes to fixate archilles tendon on the ankle? does that have something to do with the fibula, do they care abt the fibula in beijing?

My roomie is extending 8cm and so Dr. Xia decided to give him extra support for the fibula. Don't keep saying 'Beijing' there are a lot of hospitals here. We can only talk about Dr. Xia's techniques as I've not see any other hospitals.

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2.are the holes still bleeding? it looks like one of his hole is bleeding

I don't think that he is still bleeding, but the wounds are only five days old, so there is still some blood there.

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3.the facilities looks pretty old man, do they have the 'live xray' machine while doing the operation where they can see through your leg to help them operate safer?

I never heard of a 'live x-ray' machine. X-rays are pretty dangerous and you cannot be exposed to them for a long time, so you might be talking about something else?

They take your x-rays before the operation so that they can see how your bones and vessels are laid out. They use the x-rays during the operation.

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Yes, it's a frame - it's designed to bear weight. The people I have met have started to shuffle around about 10 days after the op. My roomie is waiting 7 days before he starts lengthening and moving.

There are quite a few people shuffling around on frames and in wheelchairs. I'll get a picture of the other patients here soon!

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when are you going for the op? good luck on your op, we are all behind you on this

I go in on Monday - thanks for your words of support! Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2006, 03:41:56 AM »

Hey, good to see you made it. I hope you don't change your mind come monday. This is what happened to a patient before me. He had all weekend to think about the surgery and just before opperation, he changed his mind and headed back to his country. I also got in on a thursday and had the whole weekend to think about it. Bu I'm really stubburn so I knew there was no turning back. Your pictures look good.

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« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2006, 08:37:39 AM »

Hey, good to see you made it. I hope you don't change your mind come monday. This is what happened to a patient before me. He had all weekend to think about the surgery and just before opperation, he changed his mind and headed back to his country. I also got in on a thursday and had the whole weekend to think about it. Bu I'm really stubburn so I knew there was no turning back. Your pictures look good.

Thanks, CB. I'm sitting in my room now with my roomie and four other guys who are having LL. Overall they are all doing well, although a couple have had a couple of problems.

Hope that you are doing well too - keep us informed of your progress Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2006, 11:28:46 AM »

I would just like to say, those sexy legs belong to me, as i am MMT'S room mate.

Any questions just send me a PM. As to not fill MMT'S diarie with spam.

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Make Me Taller! The world's number one elective leg lengthening site! Come here for information about LL, things to make you taller, how to get taller permanently, Ilizarov, Betzbone, Guichet Nail, PRECICE, height growth and other height related issues. This is the number one leg lengthening forum for height seekers and people trying to become taller. It was created and run by people who have actually done leg lengthening surgery (LL).

As a community site, MMT forum thrives on people's contributions, so please feel free to share your make me taller questions, videos, photos and experiences here in this leg lengthening forum. Make me taller is open to all, but please read the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) before posting as this will answer nearly all of your questions about getting taller through surgery. Please read our leg lengthening diaries too! We hope that you find this forum useful. Cheers, SysOp.

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