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« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2006, 11:29:16 AM »

Hi Probe,

yeah the advanced doctors have a xray or ultrasound machine, it shows the inside of your leg on a monitor so the doctors can see the nerves bones vessels etc... when they operate

I never heard of doctor using this. Did you just make this up? Smiley

Professor Xia is an advanced doctor and probably has more press coverage than any other in field...

I'm 100% certain that no doctors use an x-ray during the operation because it would kill them, but ultrasound is a possiblity, but I've never heard of anyone using it. When you have an x-ray, the doctor obviously cannot be in the same room.

Which doctors use it? I'd be interested to know - can you post a link to some information about that please?

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what problems did some of them face? pain? swelling? leg fell off? did u meet anyone post op there?

I met four guys today who came in to talk to mysteryman. Obviously no one's leg fell off! Smiley

But one did have some problems with pain as he said he is pretty sensitive and didn't like the lengthening and that he couldn't sleep.

Another had some problems with his bones consolidating too quickly, but they put him back in surgery to re-break it and he is back on track.

(Oooh! The super-pretty nursing assitant just came in to wash mysteryman's feet. I'm sure that this is his favourite part of the day! I'm looking forward to her washing my feet!)

I asked the guy who had the consolidation problems if it put him off and he said that is hadn't and that he was still going to go all the way, and was just going to suck-up the problems.

The others were quite happy. No one has pin infections, although a couple had pins that had bent which slows down the lengthening.

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where did dr xia graduate from? i mean his qualifications...did you verify his claims on his websites of his qualifications?

Yes, I verified his background. If you do a search for him on the Internet you will find a ton of stuff, but there is no substitute for actually coming and meeting the doctor yourself.

He is well known to the other doctors in the field, and the place in Russia I considered going said that they know him well and did some training with him.

If you look here, you'll see that he is well known and associates with many of the other doctors, and even organises conferences for them:

http://www.qub.ac.uk/cm/os/gli/What%20is%20new%20folder/Flyer%20for%20Beijing%201st%20international%20limb%20reconstruction%20symposium.pdf

Probe, if you're serious about doing LL you need to contact some doctors and come and meet a couple.

Mysteryman met Dr. Guichet before deciding to come here, and he can probably give you some insight.

But my advice is to get on a plane and actually talk face-to-face with a doctor - that's the only way to give yourself comfort!

Cheers Smiley
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2006, 12:16:04 PM »

Day Two

OK, it's my second day in Beijing and it has been very interesting.

I've met lots of other patients, and there are about 50 patients here in the hospital at the moment.

I spoke to about four of them at length and they all seemed to doing OK apart from a couple who had some problems.

One had a problem because his bones consolidated too fast, and the other was just having more pain than he had hoped for and difficulty sleeping. They were coping well, though, and I think that the fact that there are so many other people around has helped them a lot.

It feels a bit like a university campus here - lots of people sitting out in the sun and chatting about stuff.

I've only met the people who are out and about though - there might be some people who are not coming out because they are in too much pain, or because they are just shy. I'm hoping to meet some of these people tomorrow and I'll let you know what I find out Smiley

My roomie, mysteryman, is doing OK. It's been six days since his operation and he was in a bit of pain yesterday, but had a pain free night and is in good spirits. He is talking to his family whilst I'm typing this. It's good to be sharing a room with someone cool - it would be really miserable to be in a private room, I think.

Today, Dr. Ronne took me to see a Buddhist Temple called Yong He Gong which was very beautiful and features the world's tallest Buddha. It is a Lama temple, the largest outside Tibet, and it provides a place of 'peace' between the Chinese and the Tibetans. It was built in 1694 and originally belonged to the Qing prince who would go on to become the Emperor. I'm not an expert on the history, but the temple complex is very impressive.

Dr Ronne then took me for a traditional Buddhist Chinese lunch which was very nice, although it seemed to consist mainly of things made from Soya designed to look like real food. They had even made some vegetarian prawns complete with little red veins Smiley

After the temple, I got back to the room and mysterman had four visitors, all in wheelchairs with frames on their legs. Very cool and nice guys!

They said I was too tall to be bothering with LL, and then we talked a little about their experiences.

I think that they were generally happy, but there were some problems.

One did have some problems with pain as he said he is pretty sensitive and didn't like the lengthening and that he couldn't sleep. He also had some weakness in his legs and said that the pain was making him consider reducing the amount that he wanted to lengthen by.

Another had some problems with his bones consolidating too quickly, but they put him back in surgery to re-break it and he is back on track. He is going for 8cm and he's pretty determined, and I think that he will do it. When he's finished, he'll be 183cm and I think that he will carry it pretty well.

I explained that I didn't want to go that long because I was worried about proportions and over-stretching. I also don't want to be here for too long.

I must say, they put me off a little by questioning why I would want to do LL. I'm taller than a lot of the people here will be when they have finished their treatment, and some of the questioned why I actually need it. It is making me think, but I'll sleep on it and see how I feel tomorrow.

I like the atmosphere in this hospital. It's good for several reasons:

1. Everyone here is having LL, so there is a lot of camaraderie. I can see that the patients really are looking after each other. The people are super-friendly and there is always someone knocking on our door to come in for a chat.

2. The maids are really nice. If I wasn't here as a patient, I'd try it on with a couple of them as they are lovely. Their smiles more than make-up for the cockroach that was in my wardrobe this morning!  Grin

3. The nice service is making up for the poor facilities. Apparently, the actual operating theatre is state of the art, and Dr. Ronne has even asked me what music I want to listen to before going under. I've chosen Chopin Smiley


Tomorrow I'll be chilling out before the operation... I'll post my new thoughts then!

For now, I'll leave you with a picture of the room that mysteryman and I are sharing Smiley

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2006, 12:48:57 PM »

man, You are so valiant. Congratulations, I hope everything goes well for you and you achive those CM to change your life. How long are you going to be in the hospital??.

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2006, 12:57:29 PM »

man, You are so valiant. Congratulations, I hope everything goes well for you and you achive those CM to change your life. How long are you going to be in the hospital??.
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Thanks, Gepeto20!

I'll be here for about 5 months, I think.

I've decided that I'm going to lengthen for two months and then stop at whatever height I reach, and then focus on recovering.

I'll keep you posted Smiley
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« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2006, 04:31:29 PM »

Hey Admin,

Best of luck on your surgery!

This might sound like a stupid question but what about the issue of laundry? Or how would you go about getting items such as toilet paper, shampoo, or shaving cream during your stay there?
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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2006, 11:51:13 PM »

Hey Admin,

Best of luck on your surgery!

This might sound like a stupid question but what about the issue of laundry? Or how would you go about getting items such as toilet paper, shampoo, or shaving cream during your stay there?

Thanks, JD!

There are lots of maids who live here in the hospital and they are happy to go out and buy stuff for you.

Mysteryman and I have just put together a list of what we need and they will go and get it for us today.

There are maids here to help you go the toilet, to do your laundry, cook your food, etc...

If you are on the full package, there is also a menu system where you order your food each day so that you can get some variety (although it is all Chinese!).

When I was out yesterday with Dr. Ronne, we went to the local supermarket and I bought a ton of stuff, including a couple of tubs of Haagen Daazs. Things are pretty cheap here!

Also, there is a restaurant nearby where a lot of the patients go, and as soon as I can move I'll probably head out there with some of the other guys.

I'll keep you posted Wink
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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2006, 11:56:53 PM »

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Hi! I wanted to update you on one more thing...

Dr. Xia used to do LATN before, but it looks like all operations here are now LON (Lengthening Over Nail) where the you have an external Illizarov device and also an internal Titanium nail at the same time.

I think that this bumps the cost up, but it reduces complications.

Several of the patients here had surgery before in another Beijing hospital where there was no internal nail during or after the external and those guys had a lot of problems.
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« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2006, 04:12:31 AM »

Yea I have been MIA for while, I haven?t been around because things have been messed up lately, but I had to come back on the site to see how my bud admin was doing, since he has been the one helping me more then anybody else in my life about what I will be doing with LL, I don?t want to leave him hanging before he goes in for surgery.  Well I hope your going to be okay and I hope that the pain wont be to bad, ill be looking forward to your next post to see how things went, ill be very anxious for that lol. If you need anything just message me or if it?s a emergency ill give you my number.
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« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2006, 04:22:30 AM »

MMT:

Don't listen to those people they say you are to tall to do this. There's only one person your doing this for. People like to talk and judge untill they understand how someone really feels.
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« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2006, 04:38:26 AM »

Thanks for the words of encouragement, guys.

@CB: Yeah, everyone is different and everyone has different needs so I'm trying to stay single-minded.

@Kurt: If I need any help, I'll let you know - thanks for your support!
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« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2006, 11:22:28 PM »

Just to let you know MMT had his surgery yesterday and is doing fine, and im sure once he's abit more active he will be posting an update.
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2006, 03:43:07 AM »

Just to let you know MMT had his surgery yesterday and is doing fine, and im sure once he's abit more active he will be posting an update.

Congratulations MMT!!! Hope everything is good!!! Wish you all the best!!! Smiley
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2006, 08:19:27 PM »

I really hope that everything goes well.

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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2006, 08:02:10 PM »

Hello Guys,
I really respect that you are so brave to do this operation. I get very important information from you, but I still have some questions unanswered. Do you get some kind of pschiologicaly support befor and during the proccess? what kind of?how do you fell during the proccess( mentaly).
and are there any statics for the succesfully recovery?will you have any recognizeable sign of the lengtening in your walk?I am 172 cm, after a 10 cm lengtening will I stay proportional?
best wishes(sorry for my bad english)

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« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2006, 03:14:20 PM »

hello

mysteryman and MMT how are you guys?

is everything fine there?
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« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2006, 07:53:26 PM »

I am also wondering. How are you MMT? Are you ok after the surgery??  Undecided
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2006, 08:22:53 AM »

DAY SEVEN

I'm delighted to report that Mysteryman and I are well and having quite a lot of fun here in Beijing.

Apologies for not posting earlier - today is the 7th day since my operation and the first day that I'm really allowed to move around, although the doctor wants me to stay in bed until tomorrow.

I'm going to write this fast before the nurse come back and put my feet back up and make me do my exercises, so it will be a bit of a rant.

Mysteryman
He is doing great. He's like the most popular guy in Beijng at the moment!

The people here love him and, while I'm keeping a low profile, he's been karoake singing and generally running all over the shop. Dr. Ronne thinks he is spending too much time in his wheelchair and wants him to walk more, but he is in no rush, and so I think he's just having a great time.

Some of the painkillers brought him out in blotches and boils which look pretty bad, but the nurses are giving him a shot of something every day (antihistamine) I think to make him feel better, and he's progressing well. He is 1cm taller now. I think it is an important psychological barrier.

The Other Patients
I can tell you categorically and hand on heart that most people here are lengthening 8cm (yes, EIGHT CENTIMETRES) just on their shins.

I met a guy who has done 8.8cm (yes 88 millimetres!!!!) on his tibs and fibs. He's had a lot of complications, but he is focused on the goal. The doctors here mean by their 'guarantee' that they will continue to work with you to do what you want, and some of the 60 of so people who are here have been here for 6 months or more and are coming to the end of their treatment.

I had a look at some of them and, for me, 5cm is going to be enough.

Some of the girls carry more well though. There is a girl who just came back two years after her first surgery to have her rods removed, and she had done 10cm and it looked fine. I don't think that a guy could carry that off, but for girls its looks pretty sexy as she has super slim and shapely legs.

And you cannot get 8cm by doing 1mm per day... They have a special regime here and if you give the doctors time they can do it, but if you rush, it won't work.

The place really is like a university campus. There are several quadrangles and MM and I are in the best room (hehe) whereas some of the others are smaller and some quite dark. The locals do pay a lot less though. I'm one of the oldest guys here and I'm trying to keep a low profile anyway, but if you want company there is no shortage of it. I get about 3 visitors a day in my room. Each room has free Internet access on a 100MBit LAN, but we only get about 128k performance which is fine for email and stuff, and downloading Stargate SG-1 which I did this week Smiley

There is constant laughter here, and only the occasional scream in the morning from a young girl who is here with a complicated fracture.

I might be screaming tomorrow as it is my first day walking! Shocked

Everyone here is doing LL. EVERYONE. I think it makes for a lovely atmosphere although if you really want to do it on the quiet and to lock yourself away, this really isn't the place. The Chinese people are incredibly friendly and people have come to visit me every day.

The Doctors & Staff
Professor Xia (who is a pretty cool chap, a sort of 'nice uncle' guy) said I should only do 6, and then his team also said that because I had a slight bow to my legs I should do just 5 because when they fix the bow it will give me another 1-2cm.

Like I said before, when I was measured I was just under 174 centimetres, so 6.5 will make me a comfortable 180cm which is fine.

But you know what? There are people in here who are 175cm and are going for 8cm to hit 183. That's... brave, I guess.

I admire the people who are sticking at it for the 8 or 10 because it's just such a long time. The doctors here will NOT let you rush it.

In answer to the question about psychological support, I don't think that you will get it here, but they will give you a frank and honest opinion on whether or not you should do it. They have no shortage of patients, so it's not just about the money.

Dr Ronne was pleased that I decided to do no more than about 5 or 6 cm because she said my proportions looked good. Some of the doctors here might not have treated me. They said that I looked great and in proportion. I had to convince Professor Xia that I was doing it for the right reasons and he liked my answers.

I think anyone thinking about it should jump on a plane and come and meet them - or come and meet us patients here - it will help you to make up your mind.

They seem to recommend that most people are doing 4 or 5 clicks of lengthening a day which is about 2/3 mm.

I'd like to get home as quickly as possible, so I'm hoping that I can do 1mm per day, but the other patients have told me that, because the frames are really strong, the pain might be unbearable.

The doctor looking after me is Dr. Mae (I think that is how it is spelt). He's pretty cool, and a bit of a lady's man. He's been to see me at least once every day and thought that I was progressing so well that he started lengthening me yesterday a day earlier than expected. He's very confident, smooth and speaks enough English to get by. He's made me feel better every time I've seen him.

The nurses are well, nurses. They are pretty efficient, but rely on the Maids to the menial work. I think that there are about 10 nurses here, all in their cute white uniforms and a couple that are exceptionally beautiful. They are helpful, but the maids are superb.

There are about 12 maids (4 in each section) and ours are great. I think Mysteryman will fall in love with one of them if he is not careful.

Today they had to take me to the toilet for the second time which is horrendous affair. It's the single worst thing about being laid-up post-op. You cannot walk or use a wheelchair yet, so they have to wheel you to the toilet with one holding your legs up in the air, and then help you get on it. I'm not saying any more, but Chinese toilets were not designed for muscular 75kg chaps like me and I managed to break ours, cover myself in poo and end up looking like a right idiot while MysteryMan was outside on the phone laughing. Our maid came and sorted me out and I'll look back soon and laugh, but I'm holding my guts in for a couple of days from here on in Smiley

The Food
Well, I quite like it but I'm not eating any more because I'm not going through the toilet incident again, but some people can't stand it. Not a problem. Last night we ordered Pizza Hut. MysteryMan liked his chicken so much, I thought that he would eat the bones too!

Because there are so many of us here, everything is pretty easy to sort out.

For me, the only problem on the horizon is walking for the first time tomorrow which will be very interesting indeed!!!!

Stay tuned and apologies that I've not been moderating much - if there are any crazy people trying to hijack our board again, just keep 'booing' them and they'll eventually get banned.

For all of your getting for your treatment, good luck!

I'll back soon Wink
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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2006, 01:18:53 PM »

i wonder how does a chinese toilet look like

wont you get infection if the shi* breaks out or if the toilet is dirty? does anyone clean those
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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2006, 05:07:43 PM »

DAY SEVEN

I'm delighted to report that Mysteryman and I are well and having quite a lot of fun here in Beijing.

Apologies for not posting earlier - today is the 7th day since my operation and the first day that I'm really allowed to move around, although the doctor wants me to stay in bed until tomorrow.

I'm going to write this fast before the nurse come back and put my feet back up and make me do my exercises, so it will be a bit of a rant.

Mysteryman
He is doing great. He's like the most popular guy in Beijng at the moment!

The people here love him and, while I'm keeping a low profile, he's been karoake singing and generally running all over the shop. Dr. Ronne thinks he is spending too much time in his wheelchair and wants him to walk more, but he is in no rush, and so I think he's just having a great time.

Some of the painkillers brought him out in blotches and boils which look pretty bad, but the nurses are giving him a shot of something every day (antihistamine) I think to make him feel better, and he's progressing well. He is 1cm taller now. I think it is an important psychological barrier.

The Other Patients
I can tell you catergorically and hand on heart that most people here are lengthening 8cm (yes, EIGHT CENTIMETRES) just on their shins.

I met a guy who has done 8.8cm (yes 88 millimetres!!!!) on his tibs and fibs. He's had a lot of complications, but he is focused on the goal. The doctors here mean by their 'guarantee' that they will continue to work with you to do what you want, and some of the 60 of so people who are here have been here for 6 months or more and are coming to the end of their treatement.

I had a look at some of them and, for me, 5cm is going to be enough.

Some of the girls carry more well though. There is a girl who just came back two years after her first surgery to have her rods removed, and she had done 10cm and it looked fine. I don't think that a guy could carry that off, but for girls its looks pretty sexy as she has super slim and shapely legs.

And you cannot get 8cm by doing 1mm per day... They have a special regime here and if you give the doctors time they can do it, but if you rush, it won't work.

The place really is like a university campus. There are several quadrangles and MM and I are in the best room (hehe) whereas some of the others are smaller and some quite dark. The locals do pay a lot less though. I'm one of the oldest guys here and I'm trying to keep a low profile anyway, but if you want company there is no shortage of it. I get about 3 visitors a day in my room. Each room has free Internet acccess on a 100MBit LAN, but we only get about 128k performance which is fine for email and stuff, and downloading Stargate SG-1 which I did this week Smiley

There is constant laughter here, and only the occassional scream in the morning from a young girl who is here with a complicated fracture.

I might be screaming tomorrow as it is my first day walking! Shocked

Everyone here is going LL. EVERYONE. I think it makes for a lovely atmosphere although if you really want to do it on the quiet and to lock yourself away, this really isn't the place. The Chinese people are incredibly friendly and people have come to visit me every day.

The Doctors & Staff
Professor Xia (who is a pretty cool chap, a sort of 'nice uncle' guy) said I should only do 6, and then his team also said that because I had a slight bow to my legs I should do just 5 because when they fix the bow it will give me another 1-2cm.

Like I said before, when I was measured I was just under 174 centimetres, so 6.5 will make me a comfortable 180cm which is fine.

But you know what? There are people in here who are 175cm and are going for 8cm to hit 183. That's... brave, I guess.

I admire the people who are sticking at it for the 8 or 10 because it's just such a long time. The doctors here will NOT let you rush it.

In answer to the question about psychological support, I don't think that you will get it here, but they will give you a frank and honest opinion on whether or not you should do it. They have no shortage of patients, so it's not just about the money.

Dr Ronne was pleased that I decided to do no more than about 5 or 6 cm because she said my proportions looked good. Some of the doctors here might not have treated me. They said that I looked great and in proportion. I had to convince Professor Xia that I was doing it for the right reasons and he liked my answers.

I think anyone thinking about it should jump on a plane and come and meet them - or come and meet us patients here - it will help you to make up your mind.

They seem to recommend that most people are doing 4 or 5 clicks of lengthening a day which is about 2/3 mm.

I'd like to get home as quickly as possible, so I'm hoping that I can do 1mm per day, but the other patients have told me that, because the frames are really strong, the pain might be unbearable.

The doctor looking after me is Dr. Mae (I think that is how it is spelt). He's pretty cool, and a bit of a lady's man. He's been to see me at least once every day and thought that I was progressing so well that he started lengthening me yesterday a day earlier than expected. He's very confident, smooth and speaks enough English to get by. He's made me feel better every time I've seen him.

The nurses are well, nurses. They are pretty efficient, but rely on the Maids to the menial work. I think that there are about 10 nurses here, all in their cute white uniforms and a couple that are exceptionally beautiful. They are helpful, but the maids are superb.

There are about 12 mades (4 in each section) and ours are great. I think Mysteryman will fall in love with one of them if he is not careful.

Today they had to take me to the toliet for the second time which is horrendous affair. It's the single worst thing about being laid-up post-op. You cannot walk or use a wheelchair yet, so they have to wheel you to the toilet with one holding your legs up in the air, and then help you get on it. I'm not saying any more, but Chinese toilets were not designed for muscular 75kg chaps like me and I managed to break ours, cover myself in poo and end up looking like a right idiot while MysteryMan was outside on the phone laughing. Our maid came and sorted me out and I'll look back soon and laugh, but I'm holding my guts in for a couple of days from here on in Smiley

The Food
Well, I quite like it but I'm not eating any more because I'm not going through the toilet incident again, but some people can't stand it. Not a problem. Last night we ordered Pizza Hut. MysteryMan liked his chicken so much, I thought that he would eat the bones too!

Because there are so many of us here, everything is pretty easy to sort out.

For me, the only problem on the horizon is walking for the first time tomorrow which will be very interesting indeed!!!!

Stay tuned and apologies that I've not been moderating much - if there are any crazy people trying to hijack our board again, just keep 'booing' them and they'll eventually get banned.

For all of your getting for your treatment, good luck!

I'll back soon Wink

we are glad that you are alive,, we thought the worst....lol,, so i guess you are going to streching less than 1 mm a day,, when do you think when are you going to walk normal again,,  did you wire the money or what method of payment do you use...? did the people who do the 8 cms on the tibias  look disproportional? i wish you the best in your journey Grin !!!

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As a community site, MMT forum thrives on people's contributions, so please feel free to share your make me taller questions, videos, photos and experiences here in this leg lengthening forum. Make me taller is open to all, but please read the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) before posting as this will answer nearly all of your questions about getting taller through surgery. Please read our leg lengthening diaries too! We hope that you find this forum useful. Cheers, SysOp.

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