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Author Topic: Why Torso Length Doesn't Matter, But Arm Length Does  (Read 98527 times)
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2012, 02:35:44 AM »

What is the general consensus on the maximum your height after leg lengthening can exceed your arm span while retaining some semblance of normalcy?
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2012, 03:07:41 AM »

10 cm

but we have AL, so arguably we can be 15cm and then do 2.5cm AL later on.
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2012, 03:09:12 AM »

I'm wondering, when you measure wing span is it from fingertip to fingertip or does it stop where your wrists end?

Also what is more important, arm length or width of shoulders?
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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2012, 03:18:26 AM »

10 cm

but we have AL, so arguably we can be 15cm and then do 2.5cm AL later on.

Cool. I'll be ~8cm over @ 182cm.
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« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2012, 03:51:27 AM »

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=143313523&page=1
An interesting discussion on wing span on a different forum.
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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2012, 04:48:40 AM »


Another interesting picture, which shows arm length matters more than torso length.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2012, 09:39:02 AM »

More pics of different sized, height, race, everything.









All credit goes to Howard Schatz and Beverly Ornstein
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2012, 12:49:18 PM »

Thanks for those pics man! I personally find them very interesting for those wondering about proportions. Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2012, 02:37:57 PM »

I think Wolf Wigo or Jonny moseley look ideally proportioned.  I certainly would want to be like them.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2012, 03:04:51 PM »

screw proportion guys, lets discuss more important matters:
would you do her?
i certainly would  Shocked

hmmmm.....I'd fuc* her so hard she'd go to see a psychiatrist. Cheesy
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2012, 04:28:06 PM »

I think Wolf Wigo or Jonny moseley look ideally proportioned.  I certainly would want to be like them.

Quixotic don't you think that sitting height now is not a factor any more?

does this not disprove your thoughts before hand.
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2012, 05:01:34 PM »

I think Wolf Wigo or Jonny moseley look ideally proportioned.  I certainly would want to be like them.

Compare Gary Hill to Jonny Moseley. There is a 7 inch difference between them, and it appears that 90% of that difference is Gary's very long femurs.
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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2012, 05:35:42 PM »

Today I saw a guy with a shorter torso than mine. He was sitting on a chair. When he stood up he was like 185 cm. So much for ideal proportions. Seriously why is it necessary to tell 5 times a day that torso length doesn't really matter??? I wonder how many guys decided to not lengthen their full potential just because their torso were not long enough.  Huh?
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2012, 06:16:36 PM »

Quixotic don't you think that sitting height now is not a factor any more?

does this not disprove your thoughts before hand.

Sitting height is a rough measure of torso length when no other information is available.  It IS useful.  It IS a factor because sitting height is just another measure of torso length, which does still matter if you want to look well proportioned.

When you're at a table with others, the only way you can measure their torsos in relation to you is via sitting height.  It's good in that respect Smiley

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2012, 06:22:46 PM »

yes I realise its an accurate assessment if someone's torso length.

I meant that torso length/sitting height bares little correlation to your height.

as example two men can be sitting at a table, one 5 4, the other 6 4, and they have the same torso length/sitting height.
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2012, 06:35:00 PM »

Of course though, you have to bear in mind certain things:

1) These people are the pinnacle of fitness.  They have very well-developed upper bodies.  If you hope to look as good as them, it's not just a case of having similar proportions, you have to have they're build and muscularity.  

2) Torso width is underrated.  It matters, more than length imo.  Some people simply don't have the bone structure of taller heights to reach.  Why am I pointing this out? Because there are some people who have naturally smaller bodies, narrower shoulders etc - and I would rather them stay within their limits and look very good at 5'8" than go overboard and lengthen to 6' or something where they'll just look like a bean pole.  I thought most people wanted to look more attractive and by being taller they hope to achieve that.  I know a fair % of you (including me) simply want to be taller Tongue but my argument is, wouldn't you rather look VERY good at an average height as opposed to look only good or ok and a higher height IF attractiveness is your aim.  

I've always said longer legs are more attractive on a man.  But there are proportion sweet-spots just like there are with heights.

for 75% of people this isn't an issue at all.  For me it is, which is why I'm so interested in proportions Smiley If proportions aren't an issue for you, ignore my posts about them Tongue

I could lengthen to a 6'1+ like apotheosis.  But I only want to get to 5'11".  Why? Because that extra increase in height is not worth it if I'm not well proportioned.  Just my view. Some people couldn't give a s***, and fair play to them Tongue
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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2012, 06:42:33 PM »

yes I realise its an accurate assessment if someone's torso length.

I meant that torso length/sitting height bares little correlation to your height.

as example two men can be sitting at a table, one 5 4, the other 6 4, and they have the same torso length/sitting height.

Yes, that maybe true and NORMAL, doesn't mean that either of them necessarily look perfect.  In this case, the 5'4" guy will most likely have short legs and the 6'4" guy long legs.  Two extremes, neither of which look inherently great, although subjectively, some people will like them. 

Regardless of this, yes torso height can be ignored for the most part for ll, but not for attractiveness. I've never said it matters in most cases if you want to look normal, but I have mentioned and I do maintain the belief that it IS a factor of attractiveness. 
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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2012, 06:50:02 PM »

hmmm ok.

well i was referring to the 5 3 girl and the 6 5 guy, there is 14" between them , 2" might be the head size but the other 12" is all leg.

yes I realise he had wide torso, but the other athletic people there, some of them have regular torso width, maybe they are well cut with 6-pack, but the natural torso width and bone structure is much the same.

it annoying that -ultimately -wingspan gets in the way.
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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2012, 07:23:22 PM »

hmmm ok.

well i was referring to the 5 3 girl and the 6 5 guy, there is 14" between them , 2" might be the head size but the other 12" is all leg.

yes I realise he had wide torso, but the other athletic people there, some of them have regular torso width, maybe they are well cut with 6-pack, but the natural torso width and bone structure is much the same.

it annoying that -ultimately -wingspan gets in the way.

I have a problem with wingspan too. People with broader shoulders have larger wingspans.  My wingspan is +6'1", but that's mostly because of my broad shoulders! I have the arms of someone who is 5'11" in reality. 
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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2012, 07:31:27 PM »

I don't think I have broad shoulders, but yeah its not really wingspan, its more arm length, but I'm not sure how we shoudl measure arm length and compare it to height.

would be nice to find out apotheosis arm length.
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