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« on: October 28, 2013, 05:29:10 PM »

Bigfaker has asked me to start a diary for him for the leg lengthening journey that he will be starting shortly. Congrats on deciding to undertake the most difficult and rewarding decision of your life. Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 05:34:09 PM »

Another India patient. Good for you.

It's going to be interesting to follow if you can write about the physical therapy and living conditions.

Best of luck.
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Starting height 173cm, now confirmed 180cm. Had surgery in India January 8 -13. Did ~7cm on tibia. Frame removal: 16 April -13. 180cm wingspan. Shrunk to 179cm as my final height. Considering femurs.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 12:03:17 PM »

Thanks, SysOp!

Hey Sweden,
I am going to meet with three doctors, consider everything and then decide. Also, I think I told you on your diary, but I really appreciate your continued contributions here. There are so few patients who stick around so long after LL, and I guess now, you are the only (active) one from left from your doctor. Yours was the first diary I was able to follow "live" and as a fellow martial artist, I read yours and OzDan's (sic) with extra interest. So, thanks.

Anyway, I'm still waiting on my visa (will post about what kind of hell the application process was for me) -- and a family event might delay my trip until the first week of December -- so for now, this diary is still in the "overture'...or the "pre-game warmups"...or the "Coming Attractions". Feel free to go hit the bathroom...and get some popcorn.
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2013, 01:54:11 AM »

Bigfaker, are you doing LL now? Or are you still shopping? I need help picking out the hospital as well. Can you pm me?

Thank you,
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2013, 10:21:06 AM »

Hey Rains,

I had tons of delays getting my visa (details to follow), so I am flying out on December 6th (which is now slapping me HARD in the face, as I realize it's exactly 2 weeks from today...*GULP*)

Not sure if you can receive PMs until you are a Certified Member or a Patient, so I emailed you.  Smiley

Also, I don't know if you meant "doctor" instead "hospital", but it's muuuuuch more important that you pick the right surgeon for you. While you want proper care there, you will only be in the hospital for days. Your LL doc will be treating you for months and may also be advising you well beyond that, after you go back home.
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2013, 11:07:33 AM »

Did you choose Sringari?
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To risk life in pursuit of a trivial measure-- for more height upon his stand.
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2013, 11:30:30 AM »

I'm meeting with three docs before I come to a final decision.

If you get your status upgraded by SysOp, I can PM you. Or shoot me an email offsite (on my profile).

Congrats on your LL Commencement!
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2013, 12:50:55 AM »




Introduction

Front Row, Far Left. Front Row, Far Left.
Almost every time. That's where you'd find me. Except, of course, the times I was Front Row, Far Right. You see, whenever we took those annual team photos, the photographers and coaches would line us up by height...short guys in the front, big tall trees in the back. Seemingly without fail, I was the shortest guy on the team -- thus I was the guy who was put up at the front of the line. Whether I ended up in the bottom left corner of the picture or bottom right was an arbitrary decision, but you get the idea.

Somewhere in my parents attic, I think I probably have about 25 or 30 of those team photos -- for my high school wrestling team, the football team, baseball, basketball...all the way back to Pop Warner and Little League -- and I was the shortest one in T-Ball at Age 6, just as I'd be the shortest one as an 18-year-old high school senior. Even in class pictures -- with boys AND girls -- I was in the front row, near the shortest kids. But I can't say this is why I'm doing LL.

By the way, when I say "football", of course I mean the American kind....Peyton, not Pelé...Montana, not Maradona. OK, maybe your football (soccer) is the most popular sport worldwide, but we have hotter cheerleaders. As I digress.

So anyhoo, it's not to say I was "small". I discovered weightlifting incredibly early in life, around the age of 10. By the time I started college, I was around 185lbs/83.9kg (...not sure how much energy I'll be devoting to running conversions for you metric folks). Maybe my upper body strength was just OK, but I could leg press almost 1000 pounds, nearly half a ton. As a wrestler and defensive lineman, I had developed big thick thighs and huge calves. Seriously, one time I was checking out a gym and a couple bodybuilders told me I had some of the biggest calves they had ever seen. Runs in my family, it seems: my Dad and uncles also got tree trunks for legs.

Well, for me, not so much tree trunks as stumps. They're just friggin' shooooort. Growing up, my Mom always had to hem up my pants a LOT because I've always had such short legs and a big torso...and it's much worse now that I've gone from well-muscled, finely-tuned athlete to out-of-shape former athlete/has-been. And hell, as bad as pants were, I think shorts were even worse. Most people admire and adore Michael Jordan...but I kind of hate him. Yeah yeah: dominated the game, 6 rings, Greatest Ever (maybe), yadda yadda...I don't care. We wear shorts much of the year in California and YOU, Your Airness, and that '92 "Fab Five" Michigan team made things just that much worse for my fashion decisions. But that's not why I'm doing LL, either.



So after (what-seems-like) an eon devouring everything I can on MMT, tons of preparation, lots of hemming and hawing, sleepless nights considering and reconsidering, getting all the immunizations, a nightmare visa process, obsessively trying to nail down things at home and with my employer, a 40+ hour trip across 10,000 miles and 13 time zones, I FINALLY arrived in India Sunday night.



I met with Dr. Parihar in Mumbai Monday evening, hopped on a redeye to Delhi, got to Gurgaon early yesterday morning and visited Dr. Sringari's Care Home in the afternoon, am meeting Dr. Sringari in the morning (about 4 or so hours from now)......and yes, I am also seeing the infamous "Dr. Voldemort" in the afternoon.
*covers head and braces for flames*
I have my reasons and will explain as much as I can after I have met all three. I will also try to provide as much in-depth info on the trip itself, for the very few of you who might follow this "Come to India and Decide" approach. But don't worry, no decisions will be made because "Monorails look comfy". No slight intended...I hope that quad woman does well and I wish her all the best in the possibly massive struggles she has ahead of her.

Why little graphics splattered all over my diary like a Kindergarten book? Well, first of all, that's my reading level. Secondly, I remember an MMTer months (or years) ago griping that somebody's diary was littered with too much non-relevant BS. And I also recall the many times diary-writers (diary-ers? no? too gross?) would have to stomp their foot with "I didn't write this for you, I wrote it for ME!". Well, I think they're both right. I do write as an outlet sometimes, just to depressurize the intense swelling of my little brain. So I have to warn you guys that this diary might be filled with a bunch of useless cra* that don't nobody care about. Conversely, it is a community, one from which I have learned 90% of what I know about LL, so I want to pay it forward and provide as much info and insight (from my possibly unique perspective) as I can.
So that's why I made the markers...that, and the fact that I was doing anything I humanly could to avoid going back to work one afternoon. In addition to the Travel and the LL, I'll try to touch a bit on Aftercare, Financial, Medical issues, India Itself, Motivation/Inspiration, and General Bullshit (in which case the aforementioned griper can look for this icon and skip to the next section):


Yes, I know this might seem like an ambitious prospect to keep such a detailed diary -- and the patients I met yesterday all warned me of how much lethargy will set in, replacing motivation/will/energy. That, as much or more than the physical pain, troubles me (nearly) the most. So it's quite possible I keep an amazingly thoughtful, profound, hilarious, inspiring, informative journal...for like a week -- while I am up every night worried as hell and running on the nervous adrenaline. And after that: "F*CK y'all, I'm in PAIN!"



Quote of the week
I thought this was particularly apropos, considering the location from which I'm citing it:
"If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. When I believe I can, I acquire
the ability to do it even if I didn’t have it in the beginning."

Mahatma Gandhi
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2013, 12:58:00 AM »

I have the feeling this is the start of an incredible diary. I will try to help you in any way that I can. Keep up the great work Bigfaker!
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« Reply #9 on: December 11, 2013, 02:08:04 AM »

This diary just gets more and more interesting. I look forward to reading about your consultation with Dr. Sarin. He always knows the right thing to say, although actually doing the right thing seems less important to him. Please take what he says with a grain of salt.

Ask him why he wouldn't let his patients walk or weight bear at all while lengthening. Ask him why his patients have worse ballerina foot than other doctors. I'm curious to see what he said. I'm sure he said that I was trying to slander him, but his own patients are the proof, not anything I say.
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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2013, 04:22:55 AM »

ah hoy hoy welcome aboard matey.  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2013, 06:48:24 AM »

Ooh, a unique diary, love it!

What's your height and general stats if you don't mind me asking?
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« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2013, 12:45:05 PM »


I think I need a theme song for this post:
http://youtu.be/UWaPZQajFIk

Live, from India, the Low-Cost LL Capital Of The World, it's. . . .



And now, here's the star of our show, your awesome host. . . .Biiiiigfaker!

Welcome welcome, ladies and gents (mostly gents)! OK, let's not waste any time and get right to meeting our doctors. We've got a great group for you tonight from all over India. And heeeere they are!:
  • Doctor #1 is a highly-respected, very-experienced trauma and reconstruction specialist who trained with Dror Paley in the mid-90s. From Mumbai, please welcome....Dr. Mangal Parihar!
  • Trained both in India and the UK, Doctor #2 is a new name in LL. He also does many deformity and joint reconstruction cases. His cosmetic patients all seem to be doing well, thanks to persistent physical therapy and weight bearing. Working out of Paras Hospital in Gurgaon, let's hear it for Dr. T. Sringari!
  • And last, but certainly not least, Doctor #3 is the one you know and so many MMTers hate. He did 3 years postgraduate training -- focusing on Ilizarov -- at Vinitssa Medical Institute in Russia, but now his name rings with controversy and confusion for anyone seeking lower-cost LL. Also from Gurgaon, the Man himself, Dr. Amar Sarin!


Aw hell, almost all of y'all too young to get this, anyway. Angry
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External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2013, 12:51:08 PM »

I have the feeling this is the start of an incredible diary. I will try to help you in any way that I can. Keep up the great work Bigfaker!
You know, Arche, I was pretty pissed at you for a while. What you first said about Dis over there was positively barbaric. But I guess you aren't the first person to say something insulting about a woman. Hell, some days I've said several insulting things to women. So we're OK. And yes, I'll take pictures of the frames once they're on. Though you may be interested to know that all 3 docs had a similar stance regarding the frames not being the biggest strength issue.

This diary just gets more and more interesting. I look forward to reading about your consultation with Dr. Sarin. He always knows the right thing to say, although actually doing the right thing seems less important to him. Please take what he says with a grain of salt.

Ask him why he wouldn't let his patients walk or weight bear at all while lengthening. Ask him why his patients have worse ballerina foot than other doctors. I'm curious to see what he said. I'm sure he said that I was trying to slander him, but his own patients are the proof, not anything I say.
Thanks for the advice, SysOp. I really am trying to weigh all possible factors in my decision. I will be posting the details of all 3 consultations by tomorrow, hopefully. Had to switch hotels. Haven't really slept in a couple days, either

And I know many reading this diary might assume I am taking things too lightly, but it probably could not be farther from the truth. It is quite possibly the biggest decision I have ever made in my life and hopefully, it doesn't end up being the biggest mistake I ever made in my life. So I am freaking the F*CK out. Sometimes, you can get so stressed, you want to scream. And when you can't scream anymore, you want to cry. And when you can't cry anymore, you just have to laugh. Maybe that's why, nowadays, I go straight from the stress to the laughs. More direct route.
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2013, 12:54:55 PM »

Great Start I must say.  Smiley

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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2013, 01:26:11 PM »

ah hoy hoy welcome aboard matey.  Smiley
Hey, I didn't know they let you out of your cage to watch "The Simpsons"  Tongue
http://www.clayloomis.com/Sounds/mail1/mail112.wav

Ooh, a unique diary, love it!
Thanks, fififi

What's your height and general stats if you don't mind me asking?
*sigh*
I knew I'd hafta give up some personal details eventually. There's a post swirling around my head in which I'm figuring just how much I can divulge and still remain fully incognito. So...stats to come. In the meantime, maybe this will give you a rough idea:
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2013, 02:08:32 PM »

I'm very curious what price each of the three doctors quoted you.
I know you can't pick a doctor based just on price, but it is one of the factors for poor bastards like us.
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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2013, 03:04:17 PM »

Hello Big,

Just saw you are also in the same boat like upinthesky. Go to any doctor but we are with you in journey as community buddies.
Best of luck and stay strong bro. Looking forward to seeing some great reports.

Cheers !!
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2013, 12:23:49 PM »

Thanks, checkmate and Glad

I'm very curious what price each of the three doctors quoted you.
I know you can't pick a doctor based just on price, but it is one of the factors for poor bastards like us.
I know it can't be the ONLY factor, but obviously those of us that can't afford the "Mercedes-Betz", "LamborGuichet", or "Aston Paley" options have to look at Fords and Toyotas. And if one were to pick solely based on price, I think Disobedient (over there in the "Phantom Zone") talked about a doc in India who would do the tests and surgery for SIX THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! Would I even consider him?.....HELL TO THA MUTHA F*CKIN' NOOOO!!!

Anyway, here you go, 'Bloke:

PARIHAR:

  • FEES: 900,000 INR = $14,400 USD = €10,538 EUR (They quoted in Rupees)
  • INCLUDES : 1st Surgery (Osteotomy and Nail/Frame Installation), 5-7 Day Hospital Stay, Check-Ups, 2nd Surgery (Frame Removal), Consults after Patient returns home (might be a trial process, since most of their patients have been local)
    Local Room & Board during Lengthening NOT INCLUDED
  • Physical Therapy During Lengthening and Consolidation Included? - Not Sure. Forgot to ask. Explanation and more on this later
  • NAIL REMOVAL - Price? Not Sure. Forgot to ask. Explanation and more on this later

SRINGARI
  • FEES: $14000 USD = €10,193.68 EUR
  • INCLUDES : 1st Surgery (Osteotomy and Nail/Frame Installation), (?)-Day Hospital Stay, Check-Ups, Physical Therapy, 3-Month Stay in Care Home with full Room & Board, 2nd Surgery (Frame Removal), Consults after Patient returns home (also might be a trial process, since most of his patients have been local and this program is new)
  • ADDITIONAL STAY IN CARE HOME: $1250 USD/month = €910.15 EUR
  • NAIL REMOVAL - $1500 USD = €1092.18 EUR

SARIN
  • FEES: $15000 USD = €10,921.80 EUR
  • INCLUDES : 1st Surgery (Osteotomy and Nail/Frame Installation), (?)-Day Hospital Stay, Check-Ups, Physical Therapy, 3-Month Stay in Guest House with full Room & Board, 2nd Surgery (Frame Removal), Consults after Patient returns home
  • ADDITIONAL STAY IN CARE HOME:  I think it used to be $1500/month(?) Not Sure. Forgot to ask. Explanation and more on this later
  • NAIL REMOVAL - Not Sure. Forgot to ask. Explanation and more on this later

Prices and policies subject to change. 'Faker is NOT responsible for accuracy/veracity of info. In fact, if any of y'all ever wanna gripe about mistakes or outdated info here when you haven't done any research yourselves and I'm just trying to help you lazy f*ckers out..... you can go sit on a Precise II Nail (whether or not it's weight-bearing)  Grin
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2013, 12:47:50 PM »

you are very funny Cheesy Cheesy
Good luck
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