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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2013, 02:52:53 PM »

Funny ! Grin
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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2013, 06:11:56 PM »



A Tale Of Two Cities...And Three Doctors
Part I

Y'all see this building? What do you think it is?



Go ahead, take a guess!


A tenement? An abandoned office building from the 1950s? A crack house in Detroit?



Nope. All wrong. It's a hospital......specifically, an LL hospital. This is Mangal Anand Hospital in Mumbai, homebase of Dr. Mangal Parihar.






I don't know what you guys would have thought. Maybe that WAS the impression you previously had in your mind, when thinking of medical care in a third-world country like India.....ESPECIALLY if you hadn't seen the glitzy, glossy pictures of Action Medical institute, BLK Super Specialty Hospital, or Paras Hospital on the other doctors websites (or had you just Googled them). In fact, even Dr. Parihar's website presents his place with just a teeeensy bit of Photoshop "primping":

I say this with a bit of surprise because the rest of the site does not have the "come hither" flash, trying to impress, that many docs' employ.

I think, in my mind, the decision of whether I would do my surgery in Mumbai was settled right then and there -- standing outside in the parking lot -- but I had come ALL that way, so I went in for my scheduled consultation.

The inside of the place looked just as old and run-down and scary as the outside. It really looked like they only served Indians of lesser means. For example, if you have seen barely-funded County/public hospitals in the US (like on the show "e.r."), this would be the Third World equivalent.

This is the elevator (notice they discourage its use....sh!t, I wouldn't really need that sign to discourage me):



These oxygen tanks, sitting outside the OR, are presumably the ones that would be used during somebody's surgery:



They seem to do a lot of genetic/IVF treatment:


MY CONSULTATION
I had compiled a decent list of questions I planned to ask all three docs and I took copious notes, but when I am in rushed, it usually looks like I was writing with my feet, so some details may suck.

I had been in email contact with Dr. Divya Ahuja, one of Dr. P's staff members, since I had called for an appointment from back home. He came out to meet me a few minutes after my appointment time, and brought me back into his office.

I asked him to explain his take on Reconstructive LL vs Cosmetic:
He said the main difference is that Cosmetic is bilateral and rarely do they have to deal with reconstructive lengthening on both legs. Additionally, reconstructive patients start with muscle and soft tissue of a certain length already and the bone has become short (because of injury, infection etc). The patient has to lengthen his bone to reach the length of those tissues. With Cosmetic, we want to lengthen, but the limiting factors are different. The muscle and tendon tightness adds those factors which are not really as present in Reconstructive. He said the recovery for both is "almost the same". Complications for lengthening are all "correctable, eventually, by surgery". But we want to try to prevent the need for that by hard work through PT.

Other notes:
Dr. Parihar does NOT allow/encourage standing/walking/weight bearing during distraction because, as Dr. Ahuja said, when you stand, you compress. Once the frames come off, gradual weight-bearing is done as the callus develops.

They use Synthes nails. I asked how many rings the frame would have, considering that I am really heavy, and he said 3.

I asked about the pins going the muscle and he said they make a "track through muscle" to place the pins, so as not to catch them as they go through. He said they also "take care not to go close to the nerves"

For the osteotomy, they DO split the patellar tendon with a small incision. He said the knee's recovery from that is not a big deal.

They do not typically do ankle-locking, but now use the sandals strapped to the frame.

In hospital: 5-7 Days
Distraction: after 7-10 Days
There is NO Care Home/Guest House, they have been looking for one, but basically I inferred that we would need to figure it out ourselves.
PTs would be sent from hospital.  I asked the difference between an LL physical therapist and a standard one. He said "communication", as the ones they work with will treat within the LL doctor's instructions, rather than going off on their own

X-Rays are done every 10-14 days during lengthening

Dr. Ahuja then did a physical exam, checking my flexibility and my problem ankle and old knee injury. The total time with him was about 35 minutes. After this, he sent me back to the waiting room. I waited there for another 20 minutes or so -- needing to go to the bathroom -- but I opted to wait until after I got back to the hotel....maybe that says something about the place.

I then got in to see Dr. Parihar. He went over the intake Dr. Ahuja did, discussed risk factors, and so on. We talked about him training with Paley in Baltimore (in the early 90s), the tremendous costs of LL in Europe and the US. He expressed that he did not discourage LL patients, but was not actively seeking them, either. It's just not his primary practice/business. All of his lengthening patients have been Indian, and most had no knowledge of the risks and downsides. He talked about the fact that many lengthening docs are doing primarily cosmetic work and deemed it "a paradox" because (in his opinion) the people doing lengthening should be the ones with very solid backgrounds in Ilizarov (which I took to mean Reconstructive/Deformity specialists like himself). An example he gave: if he treats a guy with an infected non-union, heals his bone, gets him to where his functionally is much improved...but still having a 1cm length discrepancy between legs... it's a success, a great positive result from where he was.
With a cosmetic patient, if a doctor gives him 6cm gain, but reduces the dorsiflexion of the knee to just neutral, he has "made that patient abnormal". The margin for error in cosmetic lengthening is much less. Furthermore, he said, cosmetic patients are "probably the most demanding subgroup of patients". But they will be aware of the potential risks and complications. I think the most memorable thing he said is that any of the complications (non-union, neurological injuries) that can come up in cosmetic are "part-and parcel of the Ilizarov techniques", so he would give the edge to a doc who has done 1000 reconstructive Ilizarovs over one who had 50 cosmetic. I WISH I had thought to ask about (touching on what Dr. Ahuja had mention earlier) how (or whether) a strictly reconstructive doc would have the knowledge and experience with the soft tissue stretching issues. Cr*p. Sorry, Peeps. That would have been a good one.

We discussed the frames and he also said the nail is much more significant factor than the frame. He said he is only a proponent of standing and walking in terms of reducing Ballerina.

Dr. Parihar said he was aware of the "LL community", but claimed he had never been on any of the "bulletin boards" and I really believed him. He's very much an Old School, no-nonsense, conservative doctor. Also evidenced by the fact that he then talked about the lack of peer-reviewed studies out there (and yes, you may sense a drastic difference between this consultation and the one I had with Sarin two days later). Dr. Parihar said he usually favors "function over length". 6cm is the general limit he practices, but if he sees a patient with equinus at 5cm, he would advise the patient "to call it a day". The amount of complications goes up "exponentially" after 6cm. I was pretty shocked though, that he said a patient can come back for a second round of tibia lengthening! I had never heard of this, aside from Jungle.

I asked (because of what I had read here, in one of the Sringari diaries) of where he would do a re-break, in the case of preconsolidation. He would do the 2nd osteotomy "slightly higher or lower".

Lastly, Dr. Parihar was pretty humble, as opposed to some other doc (to be named later). The total time with him was around 30 minutes as well. So I did not in any way feel rushed through there.

They had told me previously (over email), that there was a fee for the LL consultation. I had seen the $350 - €400 listed under those doc interviews and took a big gulp...until I kept reading and it said 800INR. That's like 12 bucks! I emailed them back to make sure it wasn't a typo (but didn't get a reply). Anyway, when I went to pay, they said it was 1500 INR. Not thrilled at the bait-and-switch (possibly once they realized I was American?), but still, only about 1/20th the cost of a consultation with Paley or Betz.

But anyway, if you hadn't guessed by now:

The discouragement of weight-bearing is a debatable subject and goes against so much of what I had been learning. I know how much SysOp encourages it and how Sweden seems to have had a rougher recovery for lack of it. Still, that was not the factor that ruled this doctor out. The hassle and work of having to find my own place to stay and arranging basic domestic care (in Mumbai no less) would have been hard enough to accomplish....but having to pay for that on top of the surgery and (possibly) the daily PT made this doctor an no-go. Anyway, if you hadn't gleaned from the beginning, I knew I could never have surgery at Mangal Anand from the moment I caught sight of it from the taxi.

Mind you, this removal from consideration as my LL surgeon has NOTHING to do with Dr. Parihar as a doctor, nor with him personally. He has a very impressive resumé:
http://ilizarov.in/about-us/dr-mangal-parihar.html
...and is clearly well-respected. I think because he trained extensively in the West (2 stints in the UK, as well as 2 in the US -- including a postdoc fellowship with Paley), we communicated very easily.

And, though he came off as somewhat cold/distant (or maybe just all-business) at first, he turned out to be a pretty cool guy. After the bulk of the consultation, we chatted a bit and somehow got onto the subjects of music, Vocal Live and Garage Band, and then audio/video production. He edits and narrates those surgery videos himself. Interesting, multi-talented man. Undoubtedly a good doctor. If, God forbid, a loved one or I were in a serious accident next time in Mumbai, I would have no qualms with Dr. P being my doctor.......just hope it would be at a different hospital.
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Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2013, 06:37:39 PM »

I've been on MMT for about 4 years, this was easily one of the most informative posts that I have seen. I can't wait to see what you have to say about Sarin and Sringari. (Both the good and bad)
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2013, 06:58:05 PM »

Y'all see this building? What do you think it is?



Holy Christ! I almost shi* myself when I saw that photo. You have me cracking up Bigfaker. This is going to be an ace diary.

The website of Dr. Sarin still says his price is $17500. Do you think he quoted you a cheaper price because he knew you were shopping doctors?
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2013, 07:01:00 PM »

He actually said his price is going down even FURTHER. Stay tuned.
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2013, 07:09:30 PM »

Holy shi* !!!!! Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2013, 07:21:44 PM »

Other notes:
Dr. Parihar does NOT allow/encourage standing/walking/weight bearing during distraction because, as Dr. Ahuja said, when you stand, you compress. Once the frames come off, gradual weight-bearing is done as the callus develops.

We discussed the frames and he also said the nail is much more significant factor than the frame. He said he is only a proponent of standing and walking in terms of reducing Ballerina.

I find it very interesting that Dr. Parihar does not allow/encourage standing/walking/weight bearing during lengthening but he allows it to reduce ballerina foot after lengthening when a patient has developed it. Does he not realize that if he were allowing it in the first place during lengthening that there would be less/no ballerina foot that needs to be reduced by doing it after lengthening? It is much harder to stretch ligaments and tendons out to overcome ballerina foot than prevent it in the first place in small increments while lengthening.
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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2013, 10:19:20 PM »

Sringari could probably claim that he is the best looking LL doc In India and get away with it. Reminiscent of the 80s porn star look with his stache. No homo.
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« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2013, 10:41:17 PM »

BigFaker,

These photos are amazing. Your commentary is always cracking me up. For some reason I just loved the place, it looks like a building where the mafia would do kidney harvesting and people would find themselves in a bathtub filled with ice. It feels so.. illegal.. and in the meantime, cozy, just like home.   Cheesy
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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2013, 12:16:33 AM »

This is the city where Sweden came from done LL, he said, he mentioned it was decent over there,
and I agree, I wished i live in India right now,

in fact, I'm gonna ask all my family and relatives to move to India as of today cos I cant believe it man,, India is paradise


I am so desperate please I wanna move to India right now I cant believe the buildings are so clean and so advanced

seriously, why havent people taken pictures like this, no wonder Dr Amar Sarin did what he wanted to do, and why dont u
let me go to India right now and spit inside Dr Sarin mouth because he ruined a few lives of ppl who wanted a dream

This made me angry made me think India was okay where doctors perform surgery
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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2013, 07:40:08 AM »

Groove !

You are sarcastic but my dear friend your sarcasm was based on your bad eyesight. Wink
Pictures are from another city and other doctor.

Don't blame poor Sweden.
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2013, 08:40:24 AM »

I find it very interesting that Dr. Parihar does not allow/encourage standing/walking/weight bearing during lengthening but he allows it to reduce ballerina foot after lengthening when a patient has developed it. Does he not realize that if he were allowing it in the first place during lengthening that there would be less/no ballerina foot that needs to be reduced by doing it after lengthening? It is much harder to stretch ligaments and tendons out to overcome ballerina foot than prevent it in the first place in small increments while lengthening.

I was trying to figure out where I had read the exact phrase in which Dr. P stated that he's "not a fan of weight-bearing" and I found it: it was on the interview that he did on that other site. I distinctly remember reading those words because it tipped me off that his English would be pretty good.

Anyway, in my consultation, he specifically said wants standing and walking "to the extent that it helps minimize equinus deformity". And he said in my case (with my considerable weight), he would want to go much much slower in getting back to weight bearing. There is, he explained, a need for being more conservative with cosmetic nails than with ones used for traditional fractures, because he would not ream out the bone canal to use a bigger nail in a cosmetic patient (would not want to harm a person's natural biology in that way, I think he said.) Basically, there is already enough risk in regenerative healing that he doesn't want to push it.

Also: keep in mind that these statements were from two different guys and each one said something sliiightly different.
Dr. Ahuja said the thing about "when you stand you compress it"
And when I asked "not even standing with crutches or a walker?"
He said "Just a little bit. Only so that it allows you go to the toilet"...and then, after frame removal, it is still just a gradual process.
I asked about ankle locking and he said they sometimes do that in Recon patients. I mentioned the sandals and he replied that they do that currently.
When they notice the foot dropping, they have the patient stop distracting for a few days to "work on it". It was actually a somewhat funny moment (for me) because I wasn't sure if he was saying "work" or "walk" and I even tried to have him repeat it, but despite his English being very good, I just couldn't make it out and gave up (probably because I knew deep-down I wasn't going to do LL there....and because I really had to go to the bathroom)

About tackling issues promptly, it's confusing because he said something like "any troubles that are supposed to happen will have come up during distraction".
ME: Isn't Ballerina the major issue that comes up?
Doc A: :That's actually what happens during distraction. Whatever has not been corrected during distraction and whatever remains and then becomes fixed.
(not sure if I wrote that part down exactly right)

So, in the end, I am not really clear on Dr P's work as a cosmetic LL surgeon. If I had met one of his PTs there, that might have given me a better idea of what one his LL patients would be in for. As he has no international patients, and so few cosmetic ones to boot, we really have no idea of his "success rate". Quotes because I am still not sure how LL "success" is actually defined. Eye Of the Beholder, I guess?
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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2013, 08:55:23 AM »

Sringari could probably claim that he is the best looking LL doc In India and get away with it. Reminiscent of the 80s porn star look with his stache. No homo.
C'mon, Man. Haven't you seen those 'staches all over India by now? The only other places back home where I have seen so many "Magnum PIs" is passing by Castro District in San Francisco . . . or at various police stations . . . or in 70s porn movies.  Grin

BigFaker,

These photos are amazing. Your commentary is always cracking me up. For some reason I just loved the place, it looks like a building where the mafia would do kidney harvesting and people would find themselves in a bathtub filled with ice. It feels so.. illegal.. and in the meantime, cozy, just like home.   Cheesy
Man, I might be SKERRED to visit your home, then! I thought the kidney harvesting thing was an urban legend, but if it's standard practice over there, I might have to bring a 12-Gauge in my suitcase.

you are very funny Cheesy Cheesy
Good luck
Thanks, panda. Though most people add "...looking" when they say that. How about yourself? Have you had your LL? I couldn't figure it out by your posts.
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Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2013, 10:22:01 AM »

Thanks, panda. Though most people add "...looking" when they say that. How about yourself? Have you had your LL? I couldn't figure it out by your posts.


I would just say funny, I wouldn't add "...looking". But if they most people do, I am sure is just to be as funny as you  Smiley
I've actually had ll with LATN, had my rod in about 3 weeks ago. Recovery is very very very hard. Choose your doctor wisely Wink
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2013, 10:40:24 AM »

Aw hell, almost all of y'all too young to get this, anyway. Angry

I'm not... Please continue, you're doing Great! Cheesy

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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2013, 12:39:47 PM »

A Tale Of Two Cities...And Three Doctors
Part II

I met President George W. Bush once. I was on a temporary assignment at a factory in the Midwest and he was doing one of those roving stump speech/photo ops. Shook his hand when he walked the rope line (why the hell not, I thought? I certainly wasn't going to start digging into him about Katrina or Iraq at that moment). I also met Charlie Sheen years ago, waaaay before his latest troubles, when he was vacationing in Miami. Met Mike Tyson, too. Actually, I met Mike and Eddie Murphy at the same time -- at the base of the elevators of an upscale hotel in Vegas (I think it was the Mirage) -- back in the 90s. And there have been others, especially when I waited tables at a tourist trap restaurant in downtown San Diego for a while.

So, even though I have had a few run-ins with various famous/controversial figures, (aside from Dubya) I usually never knew I would be meeting them in advance. Having an appointment to see Dr. Voldemort...AKA Amar Sarin, was kind of indescribable. Like so many of you, I had read all of the diaries from his infamous Guest House. And now, I was actually going to go there (well, beforehand I didn't know it was the same house we had read about, as there was so much confusion with guys in the hotel and all).

A nice, soft-spoken man came to my hotel's lobby and was asking around at the Front Desk. I went over and asked if he was looking for [Bigfaker] and he said he was, so we got into his car and were off. His name was Dr. Sahil. I thought, wow other docs send a house manager or just a taxi, but Dr. Sarin sends another doc? This is when I caught sight of this building, just down the block from my hotel:


and I asked him "Hey, is that the Synthes that makes the IM nails?"
He didn't know. I was a bit puzzled, until Dr. Sahil explained that, actually, he's a dentist. Um....okay?

He goes on to explain that he works at his dental practice in the mornings and evenings and works as Dr. Sarin's Guest House manager during the day. So -- as I am always one to make idle chits, chats, chots, and chuts -- I start asking him about veneers and crowns (my teefuses are pretty phucked up...think Morgan Freeman 1.0 ...or Jewel...or Marion Jones). Anyway, despite the random cow and pig crossing the road every now and then, it was only a 7-10 minute drive from the Ramada Gurgaon Central to the famed Guest House.

And heeeeeeeeere it is:




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That's Dr. Sahil on his phone. He's not recognizable, so this is cool, right? Or do you guys think I should Photoshop him out?
The surrounding lots:








Here is the only shot I took of the inside, before I put my phone away:


I had visited Dr. Sringari's Care Home the day before -- my first time inside a private residence in India -- and it was pretty cramped and crowded. Dr. Sarin's Guest House, on the other hand, seemed HUUUUGE on the inside. There was a big entry hall (you can kinda see it above) and then I was offered a seat in large living room (as I remember it). There were no patients around in these common areas, but there were WOMEN! I was kinda shocked, because I had never read about any female staff in any of the diaries...actually, IIRC, no women at all, other the one patient who came together with her brother for leg shortening(? I think?). I wasn't kept waiting long at all and, within a couple minutes, came the time to meet The Man himself.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W7zCFkkUHI" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W7zCFkkUHI</a>

So this is where I have to give you my take on the whole controversy and the banning of his patients from MMT and the Recommended List and all that. At this point: I. Don't. Give. A. F*CK. Ain't got sh!t to do with me. Well, I should clarify, it has nothing to do with me now that I am here meeting doctors and patients in person. About 6 months ago, I was dead-set on going with Sarin, but could not (for the life of me) get a response to my inquiries. I had sent 4 or 5 emails and left 2 voice mails on the US number that was on his site. Finally one night, I started calling the Indian numbers listed. No answer to the first couple, but eventually, someone picked up on the -1907 number listed at the top of his website. I referred to the doctor in the third person, trying to arrange a phone consultation, but the man on the other end clarified that I was speaking to Sarin himself. We spent about 5 minutes on the phone, and I do have to note that -- due to his mobile or my VOIP -- we had a horrible connection. I don't remember the exact questions I asked, maybe about my concerns about my ankle, my age, the filled-to-the-brim capacity of his Guest House at the time. But I remember his answers pretty well.
ANSWER #1: "No problem."
ANSWER #2: "Don't worry."
ANSWER #3: "No problem."
ANSWER #4: "Don't worry."
ANSWER #5: "No problem."
We got off the phone, agreeing that I would be coming to India in the fall for lengthening with him. He said to send my passport info to get a medical visa invitaion letter, so I emailed scans to him right away....to the same email address from which I had heard no response for weeks and months, but I thought "Hey, we've spoken now. Sarin will be looking out for my email". But I heard nothing. I re-sent the email. And re-sent it. And re-sent it.

Then SysOp went to India and all HELL broke loose. So anyway: back to all dat mess and how it ain't got sh!t to do wit me. That wasn't the case back in August and September. Like many, I was freaking out and trying to figure out what the f&ck was going on and "what's happened with my chosen doctor" and "what the hell am I gonna do now"? I actually got banned from MMT (for like a day) because I was trying to PM Sarin patients for info and SysOp thought I was a rabblerouser. But at that time, I had just started talking to Harken, God Bless him. He intervened for me and got me unbanned. I have no comment on all the other things people say about him, but to me personally, SysOp has been helpful and fair.

As we all saw, those few months were just riddled with accusations, and gossip, and drama. And then came the Great Schism, with the The Troll Forum guys. Great, more accusations, more gossip, more drama. And reeeeeally, Guys!

*QUICK POLL*: Show of hands - besides getting LL done affordably and safely, how many of you really care about the politics of it?

We had all depended on diaries to guide us and when the Sarin diaries went away, so much information seemed lost. And the rampant accusations of shoddy care, lying, back-door deals, and bribary just clouded the information, anyway. What the hell is the point I was trying to make just now? I think I wrote myself into a circle. OK, I'll put it like this: read the diaries. They are a great resource. Perhaps your BEST resource. But you have to research more than that. You have to call the doctors. And then visit them, when you are ready. You have to talk to patients. If you can make contact with them on the forums, great. Thank God, I was able to touch base with a few. I had a doctor in mind, toward whom I was definitely leaning, but I couldn't make a final, final, FINAL decision until I met all three on my India list. Plus, I have a back-up plan (to be revealed later).

Anyway, back to the consultation with Dr. Sarin at his Guest House. I was finally finally finally FINALLY sitting down to meet with him. Live. In the flesh. Face-To-Face. Man-To-Man. Doctor-To-Prospective Patient. And it turned out . . . well, it really was not what I expected at all.

Part III coming soon.
Check your local listings.


Gotta hit the gym now....soaking up every last day of being ambulatory...while it lasts!
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2013, 01:19:07 PM »

You are a highly skilled writer, maybe the best writer who ever made a diary on MMT. Keep it up and good luck with your LL!
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I did Internal Femurs with Dr. Jamal in Kiev in 2013.

Starting height: 165,5cm (5'5") Lengthened: 7,5 cm.
Due to long-term complications with bone healing/non-union causing nail breakages I lost some of the gained height in both legs. Final lengthening: probably a little more than 6cm.
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2013, 02:14:12 PM »

Then SysOp went to India and all HELL broke loose. So anyway: back to all dat mess and how it ain't got sh!t to do wit me. That wasn't the case back in August and September. Like many, I was freaking out and trying to figure out what the f&ck was going on and "what's happened with my chosen doctor" and "what the hell am I gonna do now"? I actually got banned from MMT (for like a day) because I was trying to PM Sarin patients for info and SysOp thought I was a rabblerouser. But at that time, I had just started talking to Harken, God Bless him. He intervened for me and got me unbanned. I have no comment on all the other things people say about him, but to me personally, SysOp has been helpful and fair.

I was probably a little bit overzealous in banning people during that two week period. I was getting attacked every day and having to spend hours on the site fighting the spammers. It was taking time away from my job and family life and it annoyed me to no end. There were some patients at Dr. Sarin's guest house that I really wanted to see finish their diaries, but they were all on the same IP, so for me to ban the spammers, some innocent people got banned too. I wish I could have kept the good and separated them from the bad. I blame Sarin for all of that. He could have made things so much better, but he didn't care enough to make things right.  
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« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2013, 01:40:23 PM »

Just got admitted. Having my surgery in about 14 hours. So....
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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2013, 01:44:52 PM »

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Prev. Height: 5'-5.25"/165.7cm (Morning)
External LON with Dr. Raj Sringari - Install: 12/17/13 * Lengthened: ~3"/7.6cm * Frame Removal 04/17/14
Diagnosed with Partial Non-Union: 02/09/16
Ankle Debridement Surgery: 02/22/16
Rev. Nailing/Bone Graft/Tenotomy - Loma Linda Medical Center: 05/12/16
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