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Question: Do All LL Patients Have Body Dysmorohic Disorder?
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« on: January 18, 2014, 03:11:47 PM »

I was having an interesting discussion the other day with a fellow LL patient about whether all of us that choose to do LL have body dismorphic disorder (specifically height disphoria) to want / need LL in the first place. What do you think?
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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2014, 05:06:31 PM »

Some do.

If you clearly face setbacks with women and in your field of work and you see other taller persons achieve higher positions faster than you even though they're not as good as you are.
Then it is pretty clear they see you as a child.

A man is supposed to be 6 feet +
That's the way society is. Why are we even here if not?

Regarding women's height it's just becoming strange when they're taller than 6 feet and above.
You have to be really good looking to pull that height off.

There is a clear case of body dysmorphia on the other LL forum. She is 5'6 and want to SHORTEN herself to 5'4 in India.
That is pure insanity right there.
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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2014, 05:12:15 PM »

I don't think all patients have body dysmorphic disorder, but some do.

I agree with Sweden about the Leg shortening girl. That is absolutely stupid.
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« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2014, 06:54:12 PM »

I couldn't justify the leg shortening case either, thought it was absolutely unnecessary and has no objective social benefits (such as a male going from short height to average with LL). But it took many years for me to justify my LL choice to many people as well. So if it's going to make her happy in the end.. she should go for it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2014, 07:15:46 PM »

I agree that some do and some don't.  The same goes for women who don't want to be flat chested anymore.

Being short in unappealing for a male and having no boobs is unappealing for a female. 

Those who undergo excessive amounts of cosmetic surgery are the ones who are mentally ill, e. g.  Jocelyn Wildenstein. 
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 11:57:01 PM »

Thinking about this deeply Id have to say no, its not a body dysmorphic disorder in terms for men anyway. In society men are expect to transform from a boy to a man, and thats very much through their growth and development through puberty. In a way its like the case of a caterpillar transforming into a butterfly. In my experience I've found that humans tend to be very specific on what fits the profile of being a man, and if you are outside of that your value diminishes greatly.

On the other hand, women are not expected to be tall for mere purposes of fitting into society. They interest in height seems more on the level of how men would see them in context of their physical look as opposed to having any impact on how society actually perceives them.

At the end of the day, we are not living in a perfect world. Where ever you go in life there are always those better off that like to bully those that may be lacking certain qualities. Thats where I see LL being of importance, in that we just want to be on the same eye level as our equals, not being the ones being looked down upon and picked on.
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2014, 12:18:46 PM »

I think the diagnosis isn't often a yes or no question.  Like a lot of psychiatric diagnosis, it isn't an exactly diagnose (to measure).  It isn't clear, where the (psychic) disease begins. 
Actually, there is no objective marker/indicator to prove the diagnosis. 

It is also possible to have a certain disadvantage of height, but the subjective effect is (personally) overrated.  The smaller the male, there is much more of an objektive disadvantage.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2016, 03:22:47 PM »

I personally think not

People who think they are being judged on imaginary faults with their body's have bdd, however height can be seen and is 100% a factor in how people treat you so it is not something that is imagined unlike most bdd.

Bottom line is if you live in the west andbyou are below 5-11/6' you are below average and the way people treat you gets worse the further you are away from this average
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2016, 11:43:34 PM »

I don't think that is the case with everyone.   I just think that may be the case with some people, while others just see LL as an opportunity to improve something that they would like to improve. 
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2016, 03:57:48 AM »

I was diagnosed with BDD a couple years ago.  It was a very hard struggle and it took a very dark turn.  You wake up everyday hating to look at yourself.  You don't want to go outside of your house because of how you see yourself.  You obsess over the smallest parts of your own body.  It feels like your imprisoned inside yourself.  I am getting help now and even though every day is still a struggle I feel as if I am improving. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2016, 06:12:36 PM »

I'll settle on some do and some don't.

On that topic, from wikipedia. org "Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD) is a mental disorder characterized by an obsessive preoccupation that some aspect of one's own appearance is severely flawed and warrants exceptional measures to hide or fix it. [1] In BDD's delusional variant, the flaw is imagined. [2] If the flaw is actual, its importance is severely exaggerated. [2] Either way, one's thoughts about it are pervasive and intrusive, occupying up to several hours a day.  The DSM-5 categorizes BDD in the obsessive–compulsive spectrum, and distinguishes it from anorexia nervosa. "

The key here would be what is considered obsessive preoccupation, what are considered exceptional measures and severely exaggerated importance?

It could depend on what the general society, psychiatry or the authorized party/ies thinks what those limits are.  Of course deciding who those parties are takes it to a deeper level and going on can lead down a bottomless rabbit hole.  Hence, I am stopping at who decides what BDD is tells whether how much of the MMT forum members have BDD.
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2017, 12:38:35 PM »

Quote from: Sweden link=topic=7039.  msg91999#msg91999 date=1390064791
Some do.  

If you clearly face setbacks with women and in your field of work and you see other taller persons achieve higher positions faster than you even though they're not as good as you are.  
Then it is pretty clear they see you as a child.  

A man is supposed to be 6 feet +
That's the way society is.   Why are we even here if not?

Regarding women's height it's just becoming strange when they're taller than 6 feet and above.  
You have to be really good looking to pull that height off.  

There is a clear case of body dysmorphia on the other LL forum.   She is 5'6 and want to SHORTEN herself to 5'4 in India.  
That is pure insanity right there.  
This.   Well said. 
Although I'm a successful man, a nice person and good looking face/body-wise, other men still disrespect me sometimes and many women tell me I'm too short for them. 
Do I have Body Dysmorohic Disorder because I think about having a surgery that will make me tall? No.   I simply face cruel reality.   Most tall men think they're superior to short men and most tall women won't even consider giving a short guy a chance.   Well, even short women don't give short men a chance, so why would a tall woman? :P
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2017, 01:06:29 PM »

I had BDD when I was younger which resulted in a failure to reach my max height, but I think the past few posters summed it up nicely.  Wanting to be taller and respected is more logical than body dysmorphia.  Very few short people are given the chance they deserve.  Tom Cruise, who is famously made fun of for his short height, is still 5'7. 75".  We really are treated as lessors.

I personally think it stems from childhood.  We are constantly looking up to adults as figures of authority and for security, and I don't think that ever changes for anyone.  Women in particular subconsciously prefer taller men because they want to pass those more desirable genes to their children.
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« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2017, 08:12:13 AM »

Quote from: SysOp link=topic=7039. msg91992#msg91992 date=1390057907
I was having an interesting discussion the other day with a fellow LL patient about whether all of us that choose to do LL have body dismorphic disorder (specifically height disphoria) to want / need LL in the first place.  What do you think?

Of course we do, otherwise we wouldn't do LL.
Also bald people have "body dismorphic disorder", and fat people too. .
And there is nothing wrong with desire of fixing your body.
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