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Author Topic: Rgkey - External Tibias - Dr. Barinov - 2013 - External Classic Ilizarov  (Read 102802 times)
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« Reply #600 on: December 24, 2016, 08:32:37 PM »

Hi Arch.
 Rgkey will get help definitely.
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« Reply #601 on: December 27, 2016, 08:35:44 PM »

Hello Rgkey!!! Why did you write this sharp statement? As i wrote you was very happy and said that dr. Barinov is good one. You got good result but now your legs have problems. Why didn't you want to visit doctor for solving your problem?

does this look like good results??
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« Reply #602 on: December 27, 2016, 08:38:39 PM »


Hi Antonina,


I think he can't go to Russia due his visa problems caused by the clinic.

He wrote this statement due the fact that he is no longer recieving any help from Doctor. Barinov for fixing his bowled legs.

This is a cosmetic surgery after all...

Please explain us some more, I could be wrong.

I hope RGKey's problem will be solved soon.



yes there was a visa issue. The clinic let my visa expired, so then we went to court in Russia, apparently it was fixed but then I was banned from the country for 5 years even when the judge said it would be ok. At the airport they sent me back to New York and detained me for 24 hours in one room no water or food.
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« Reply #603 on: December 27, 2016, 08:54:51 PM »


So far:

I have a crooked left leg (pretty bad shape)
Right leg is not great.
I feel Stiffness every day and stretch every day as well. I feel pain on my left knee. Muscle pain in both legs. Can not run at all.
Ancle stifness as well. Overall Im fu**ked lol
I hurt my lower back 2 times already, my doctor said it might be related to my legs. So there you go.

Good news is Im happy, Life is good, met the love of my life!!! finally!! she stretches me every day. and she is hot lol
We will se how everything develops.

I know A lot of you guys want to go to Dr. Barinov. and as much as I like him. How can I recommend someone for something so important like leg lengthening to him, when my results are not good. I gave them a lot of time for them to fix this situation but it will be 3 years soon since I left Russia. Having a crooked leg due to medical negligent shouldn't be taken as joke.
I consulted with Dr. Pili and Dr. Catagni, both of them told me that both of my legs need to be fixed. And both agree that my left leg should be fixed immediately.

Antonina (someone who works for Dr. Barinov I believe) Has contacted. She seems concern and claims she will help my situation. We will see. I will keep you guys updated.

warm regards,

RGKEY
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« Reply #604 on: December 27, 2016, 09:00:35 PM »

does this look like good results??

LOL even your left leg is misaligned... Like you I had my surgery In eastern European country (similar to Russia)   and normal ilizarov frame. I did 4.5 cm and after coming to the UK I got proper X-rays  from almost every possible  angle and my left leg was fucked even though My first doctor did correction. They had to install the Taylor spatial frame (much more better to get the correct alignment)  and fixed it(got confirmed by 2 different doctors).

RGkey my advise is to get it fixed in some developed country with proper medical equipment(especially in terms of good xrays and frames) if you really want to get it right and correct. It may not seem so serious now because youre young and strong but who the fuc* know what gonna happen in next 20 or 40 years from now...
 
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« Reply #605 on: December 27, 2016, 09:06:57 PM »

LOL even your left leg is misaligned... Like you I had my surgery In eastern European country (similar to Russia)   and normal ilizarov frame. I did 4.5 cm and after coming to the UK I got proper X-rays  from almost every possible  angle and my left leg was fucked even though My first doctor did correction. They had to install the Taylor spatial frame (much more better to get the correct alignment)  and fixed it(got confirmed by 2 different doctors).

RGkey my advise is to get it fixed in some developed country with proper medical equipment(especially in terms of good xrays and frames) if you really want to get it right and correct. It may not seem so serious now because youre young and strong but who the fuc* know what gonna happen in next 20 or 40 years from now...
 

Thank you very much for your advise, I will consider it as well.
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« Reply #606 on: December 27, 2016, 10:19:55 PM »

Thank you very much for your advise, I will consider it as well.

How the hell did that happen Rgkey? I hope they get that fixed pal that will cause you serious problems in future

I'm now 100% against this surgery it's far too dangerous and there are too many cowboy doctors out there. There's also far too much preoccupation with proportions when people should be discussing the damage this can do to your body
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« Reply #607 on: December 28, 2016, 03:12:29 AM »

How the hell did that happen Rgkey? I hope they get that fixed pal that will cause you serious problems in future

I'm now 100% against this surgery it's far too dangerous and there are too many cowboy doctors out there. There's also far too much preoccupation with proportions when people should be discussing the damage this can do to your body

I agree 100% with you!
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« Reply #608 on: December 29, 2016, 07:09:59 PM »

Honestly, it looks like your frames were removed too early, when the bone was not consolidated enough for the bone to take your weight and it bent. Please get see a good orthopedic doctor and get this issue fixed as soon as you can. Your journey is not over yet.
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« Reply #609 on: December 31, 2016, 05:19:12 PM »

you insisted that the doctor take the frames off and went walking in the city against the doctor's advice - as you state in your diary. . .
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« Reply #610 on: January 01, 2017, 03:27:18 AM »

I agree with SysOp. My Taiwan orthopedic doctor (also did limb lengthen) told me: if my frame was removed before bone consolidate, my bone will probably bend or break again. He want me to remove my frame fully consolidate.
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« Reply #611 on: January 01, 2017, 03:49:05 AM »

Or put the rod inside to support my weight. I don't want to put the rod inside. I am wait 19 months to remove my frame, even Dr. Salameh told me: I can remove the frame. I just want to be safe. I am sorry for Rgkey result. Hope you can fix your legs soon.
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« Reply #612 on: January 01, 2017, 11:01:08 PM »

It is obvious the frames were removed too soon,  9cm and was it 9 or 10 months. It is easy to blame the patient but this is clearly the doctors fault. He should not have removed the frames this early no matter what.

Let us know if they contact you rgkey.
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« Reply #613 on: January 03, 2017, 04:10:07 AM »

Rgkey: please let us know what happened if Dr. Barinov help you to solve your problem or not. Dr. Barinov should not remove your frame so early.
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« Reply #614 on: January 05, 2017, 03:13:58 AM »

Well if you say it is easy to blame the patient then by this logic it is equally easy to blame the doctor/clinic.  You have no knowledge of the clinic in Volgograd, you have never been here.  You have simply read a one-sided diary on the internet.  If a patient is fed-up and depressed and insists the doctor remove the frames, the doctor cannot force them to stay in Russia.  For how long??  4 months, 6???
 
Here is a good example of how some patients behave at the clinic to give some context as to why I write.  Two patients were lengthening at the clinic and the doctor told them to stop at 6cm.  The doctor’s would not treat them if they continued to lengthen and even took away the lengthening keys.  The patients left the clinic, got an apartment nearby and went to the hardware store and bought a spanner so that they could turn the screws themselves and continue lengthening without any medical supervision.  They lengthened to 11cm and 12cm respectively on their tibias.  They then returned to the clinic weeks later and expected the doctor’s to correct what had clearly gone wrong.  They could barely move! They became severely depressed but the doctor’s still took care of them as best they could. 
Another patient made absolutely no effort after surgery and refused to walk in any way for weeks, and did not stop complaining of the pain.  Of course there is pain!!  Another patient wanted the doctor to take the frames off one day after surgery, saying he didn’t want to go through with it.  The doctors said that he would have to wait at least three weeks before they could put a cast on his legs.  Other patients would criticise the doctor’s as if they knew more about the procedure than them. 
 
In truth, a number of patient’s undergo this procedure without researching what it entails.  The only ‘research’ they do is reading these diaries.  A number of patients (not all) also have varying degrees of personality/psychological disorders and other underlying forms/degrees of mental illness. 
 
In the consultation before surgery, the doctors actually ask the patient to sign a disclaimer that the clinic can not be held responsible if the patient does not follow the doctor’s advice. 
 
I know for a FACT that the doctor advised RGkey to stop at 6cm - he states this himself in his diary.  He also states on numerous occasions how happy he is that he chose this doctor. 
I have had a look through his diary and have copied a number of quotes…

‘…you have no idea, I am so freaking lucky dude’  ‘I lengthened 9cms happily, ‘I love this girl Oxana, general manager of the clinic, I don’t have enough good words for her,so much love for her …I should have stopped at 8, I went over my physical limits, that last centimetre nearly killed me but I got 9CM!!. . . the doctor here really prioritises your health which I think really should be number 1…if you are completely sure you want to go through with LL then choose this place…I don’t regret my decision even in my darkest moments, I would do it all over again…here in Volgograd doctors will tell you what to do but they will not force you…people get fucked up because they did whatever the fuc* they wanted to do and not because the doctors are bad…do not rely purely on what people put in their diaries…(happy the doctors) offer a quick solution to my problems…if you were my family, my brother, my best friend and you decided to do LL I would force you to come here, that’s how much I love this place…Barinov, he is a master at what he does…after 8 hours walking, for the doctor to give me a compliment means a lot…I didn’t want to change these pins but Dr Barinov didn’t want me to risk anything, he always looks out for me, I love him!. . . I had hours of talk with Barinov about LL so most of what I know is from him, he is my source of knowledge…would I do it again? Yes, absolutely yes!. . .  I might come back for my femurs, Dr Barinov told me I could do 5cm without complications!. . . i’m the luckiest motherfucker alive, i’m’ so glad I did leg lengthening!!. . . I would do it all over again, I would choose the same doctor…
 
Re frame removal The doctor advised the patient that if he wanted to remove the frames then he would need to use crutches at ALL times…

March 28 2014 - my legs are not fully consolidated but they can handle my weight and in a week the doctor will check if they are strong enough to walk without frames, fingers crossed now! 01/04/14, hopefully my legs won’t collapse, if they do life is life, no-one put a gun to head and forced me to do LL. .  I feel I can walk with no problem now but doctor told me I must use crutches for 2 weeks, it is really annoying!!!!!!! this morning the doctor saw me walking with only one crutch and he got mad((( he told me that if I don’t use crutches my bone can bend and the correction I had can go off, and it wont look straight, so now I'm using crutches just because my doctor advice me so.  I must be patient; I have gone so far to spoil my recovery for my stupidity…it is really annoying to walk with crutches!!! I will ask my doctor to check my legs on Monday, maybe I don’t need to wait another week, maybe my left leg is strong enough. .  I think the correction of my left leg has moved just a little bit.  I think it was my bad thou, I walked sometimes without crutches, I can only blame my self for that. But I don’t think is that noticeable.
April 18/02/014,Poster, why did he remove the frames, did you insist?
my legs were fine for walking but not 100% stable, I had 2 options he told me, keep the frames or remove them and walk with crutches.  So I chose crutches of course!)))
my last X-ray yes.  everything was just ok to removed frames.  he said that my consolidation was able to support all my weight vertically, but if I don’t use crutches, with movement they can bend to the side.
April 19 2014 So in this pictures I’m wearing 3. 5cms lifts, plus the base of the shoe, today I am dating two girls! My legs hurt like a bitc*!!! especially after walking with lifts, my walking sucks!!! I need to start walking without lifts until I recover enough I guess,…must stop wearing lifts…
Thanx Sysop)) he said it (bowing) might be the muscle and also maybe the alignment moved a little bit.  I know it was my mistake for walking many times without crutches when I wasn't supose to((((
Dec 2014 i was very lucky to end up in a good place
Deathorb March 2015 Hello rgkey, I am in Volgograd at the same clinic.  Could you answer two questions?
Why did you go against the doctors orders to come back to the USA? Was it depression or lack of sleep or something else? You appeared to have a good time in the clinic but also wanted to leave.  And I believe you never got your own apartment, perhaps that would have been a nice change…’

Obviously there is now an issue with fixing his bowed leg. 

It is not fair or accurate to slander Dr Barinov or the clinic on an anonymous internet forum.   It is easy to say you do not recommend Dr Barinov - well I certainly do.  So that balances that out!!

You should retract and apologise for such a cheap, nasty and baseless slander.
 
Dr Barinov treats 100’s of correction patients (mostly Russian females) every year as well as leg lengthening patients.  He is an excellent surgeon and staff at the clinic - nurses, related hospital and admin staff - work very hard to achieve positive results and are dedicated to their work.   Not every patient in any way chooses to write a diary.  They strive to enjoy the journey and its challenges, make the best of life in Russia and work safely towards their dream of added height. 
The issue is not the clinic or Dr Barinov - but that the patient felt that lengthening 9cm on tibias alone and to go against doctor’s advice would result in successful lengthening.  This is a high-risk gamble. 

One of the advantages of doing the surgery in Russia is that you are left to do a lot of the work yourself - this takes a certain amount of guts and courage that can only come from within the patient.  It is not that difficult for the doctors to correct ‘standard’ complications - infections, axis etc - using the Ilizarov apparatus or with antibiotics etc.  Most patients find that it is not as difficult as they thought it would be. 
 
In relation to the visa, the patient could also - with the help of the clinic admin or on his own account - have taken responsibility and made the decision to leave Russia for a few days within the year ‘window’ (perhaps go the clinic in the Czech Republic or anywhere) and simply return with a new visa. 
 
It is clear that Rgkey was more concerned with chasing girls then in committing to the journey of leg-lengthening and following best practice.

He should have decided to keep his frames on for much longer.

This is not medical negligence.
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« Reply #615 on: January 05, 2017, 03:36:20 AM »

ps i couldn't get the BOLD type work correctly!!. . .
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« Reply #616 on: January 05, 2017, 03:44:47 AM »

that is, working correctly. . .
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« Reply #617 on: January 05, 2017, 10:24:56 PM »

wow now i feel that i should keep my frames a bit longer Cheesy

Also cant wait to RGKEY's response Wink
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« Reply #618 on: January 18, 2017, 10:05:57 AM »

Hello everyone.
Because Rgkey can not come to Russia for 5 years, the doctor will go to the clinic in the Czech Republic.
Dr.Barinov is planning to go to the Czech Republic in April. He wants to use an express methods of correction.
The express-methods of the leg correction.
   Years of research and improvements to the methods used for tibia curvature correction has allowed the doctors and scientists of our center to reduce the treatment period. Currently, the period of time that one can expect to be in the apparatus post surgery is an average of 55-60 days. Since the center’s opening in 1992, the record treatment time is currently 42 days from the time of the operation to the union of the bones. We have a proven track record of being able to treat patients as quickly as possible in comparison to other clinics around the world.
we have received many requests to deliver a faster method that meets the needs of our patients diverse situations. Due to this we have implemented new express methods that help reduce the hospital waiting period to 7 days and less. To meet this demand, we purchased a modern German navigation system named “Orthopilot”. Sold by Aesculap this navigation system is used by the leading orthopedic clinics across Europe and America. This highly accurate system helps in the process of simultaneously correcting the curvatures of the legs during the operation. The computer navigation assists in precisely measuring the anthropometrical and biomechanical features, ensuring not only the most accurate aesthetic correction but the safest method to ensure preserving function.
The express methods of leg correction held at the same time during the operation .  The achieved result is fixed with different types.
1.   Angular Stability Plates
2.   Fixation by the intramedullary nail
3.   Fixation by the Ilizarov Apparatus.

If somebody wants to do the operation in the Czech Republic, but you want dr.Barinov will do it. You have opportunity to have it in April 2017 year. If you want to get more information contact me info5@rucosm.com, i'll give you more detailed information and prices.
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« Reply #619 on: February 14, 2017, 07:13:36 PM »

Hi Antonina and RGKey,


@Antonina

Thanks for the reply, I hope he will get the treatment, please keep us updated!

@RgKey

Hi dude, I hope you are doing fine at the moment, I do hope you will go to Czexh Republic in April.
Looks like Dr Barinov is eager to help you, will you please update and tell us how everything is going.
A lot of us look up to you and your opinion is very important!

Time flies, it'll be april in no-time.

Best wishes!
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